Micro 279: Uncommon Mafia - OVER

[Alduskkel]

I just did what Bob asked me to do. Plus, a lot of people were suspecting Mac.

Why would aliens kill last night? I don't know, maybe to get rid of the person who's INVESTIGATING FOR ALIENS? Use your damn head here.

And yes, I think double Arsonist is most likely. If we had Aliens then Bob should have been dead by now (unless he's an Alien, but that seems unlikely). At this point any other type of scum is absurd as well.

[serrapaladin]

So you tacitly agree that Bob's investigation has some significance?

Thing is, killing Bob would basically confirm we're dealing with aliens, and thus make me more or less conf-town. If (as I believe) Bob got an inno on Mac, that just introduces more wifom. Plus, if I'm right and you're scum, leaving Bob alive is just what you need to sell your arsonist theory.

Also, I guess there is still a chance we're dealing with 6-2-1, in which case aliens could be waiting in case they need to use their kill on the arsonist.

Besides being wrong about me and the setup, what are your reads? I think we can basically agree Bob is town, so that leaves at least one scum in {Mac, implosion, yessiree}.

[serrapaladin]

Actually, I think you screwed up in trying to make your theory consistent. If you truly believe we're not dealing with aliens, why would Bob's role be at all alignment indicative?

[Bicephalous Bob]

Mac is not alien.

[yessiree]

I investigated mac and he performed a "misc" action

[serrapaladin]

@Bob, do you believe there are aliens?

So I think that means I was actually right about Mac being the arsonist. If his claim of self-vanillaiser were true, he would have had to be vanilla by now, so yess wouldn't get a misc result. Or of course there is no arsonist and yessiree is scum :/

Unfortunately, if it is 6-2-1, lynching Mac would let the aliens win...

I'm pretty much back to my theory of implosion and one of yessiree/Aldi, which is a huge problem since it'll take two days to lynch implosion.

If Mac is the arsonist, he has two dousings so far. I think our best strategy would be to lynch from yessiree/aldi today and Mac tomorrow unless yessiree flips alien.

[yessiree]

if Mac is the arsonist, isn't it in our best interest to lynch the arsonist today so he doesn't get any kills?

Also, since implosion claimed un-lynchable, why is he not killed last night? This supports the fact that there is really only one anti-town faction, and that's the arson faction.

[yessiree]

If Mac is the arsonist, he has two dousings so far. I think our best strategy would be to lynch from yessiree/aldi today and Mac tomorrow unless yessiree flips alien.

This is scummy, attempting to narrow down the lynch pool to only aldi and me while allowing the alleged arson to roam free? Assuming 7-2, and scum team killing method is thru arson only, this is already mylo, how do you not realize lynching a town today is basically a game-throw?

I mean holy shit just do the math

lynch town
5 into tonight
arson team ignites either 2 or 1
that's either 2:2 or 1:2 (town: scum) going into tomorrow
town loses

[Bicephalous Bob]

I don't think there are any aliens if yessirree's claim is true. It's fair to say either he or mac is scum, if

BB, does a self-vanillaizer lose his self-vanillaizing ability when vanillaizing himself?

just to be sure

[serrapaladin]

If Mac is the arsonist, he has two dousings so far. I think our best strategy would be to lynch from yessiree/aldi today and Mac tomorrow unless yessiree flips alien.

This is scummy, attempting to narrow down the lynch pool to only aldi and me while allowing the alleged arson to roam free? Assuming 7-2, and scum team killing method is thru arson only, this is already mylo, how do you not realize lynching a town today is basically a game-throw?

I mean holy shit just do the math

lynch town
5 into tonight
arson team ignites either 2 or 1
that's either 2:2 or 1:2 (town: scum) going into tomorrow
town loses

So you're also going with the arson team theory?

If we end up lynching Mac today and wake up to an alien win, I will cut whichever one of you/aldi is town with my Occam's razor...

How is everyone so sure it's not 6-2-1??? I have designed and run several 9p games with an SK and a kill-less scumteam, which is almost perfectly balanced with a little town power. If I'm right, this is almost entirely the same.

This is stupid...

[yessiree]

the fact that implosion and Bob are still alive makes me think we're not looking at 6-2-1 here, that would make the the proposed alien team have... no NKs...

[serrapaladin]

implosion is just 1-shot unlynchable. He could be scum, or if he's town, he can still be endgamed.

Keeping bob alive actually makes sense if either you or aldi are alien. If it's aldi, bob living and getting another "inno" on mac helps sell his double arsonist theory, while if you're scum, you obviously did a good job in having your claim believed and setting Mac up, so you can save your kill.

[BBmolla]

BB, does a self-vanillaizer lose his self-vanillaizing ability when vanillaizing himself?

Yes.

[implosion]

I'm really sorry, but I'm going to

request replacement.

RL is more time/energy-consuming than I thought it would be, and I don't have enough to devote to this game.

[BBmolla]

I'm really sorry, but I'm going to

request replacement.

RL is more time/energy-consuming than I thought it would be, and I don't have enough to devote to this game.

Finding replacement for Implosion.

[yessiree]

implosion is just 1-shot unlynchable. He could be scum, or if he's town, he can still be endgamed.

What's your plan if implosion is scum? give him a free pass to end game while he coast on that claim?

Keeping bob alive actually makes sense if either you or aldi are alien. If it's aldi, bob living and getting another "inno" on mac helps sell his double arsonist theory, while if you're scum, you obviously did a good job in having your claim believed and setting Mac up, so you can save your kill.

fair point

[Bicephalous Bob]

the only alien team I can see is aldi/yessirree

[yessiree]

[Bicephalous Bob]

what of it

[serrapaladin]

Bob: why is implosion town?

I don't plan on letting implosion (or his replacement...) coast at all. In fact, I think it's fairly likely he is scum, but since it'd take 2 shots to lynch him, I think he's best left for last. I mean, I guess we could lynch him once, so we know whether he's telling the truth about his role, but that doesn't really tell us much about his alignment and would basically be a wasted day.

[yessiree]

what of it

no no I just thought that it was already painfully obvious that we're the only valid alien candidates now

who you gonna lynch today?

I don't plan on letting implosion (or his replacement...) coast at all. In fact, I think it's fairly likely he is scum, but since it'd take 2 shots to lynch him, I think he's best left for last. I mean, I guess we could lynch him once, so we know whether he's telling the truth about his role, but that doesn't really tell us much about his alignment and would basically be a wasted day.

That's the point. That's a really goddamn scum-venient claim to avoid the danger of being lynched.

[Alduskkel]

So you tacitly agree that Bob's investigation has some significance?

No, I agree that Bob's investigation has significance given the premise that there are Aliens.

Actually, I think you screwed up in trying to make your theory consistent. If you truly believe we're not dealing with aliens, why would Bob's role be at all alignment indicative?

Are trying to tell me that Bob is an Arsonist?

Anyway, between Mac and yessiree, I think it's pretty obvious that Mac is scum, and yessiree bussing would be... unusual, to say the least. So that means the 2nd Arsonist is you or implosion.

[yessiree]

So you tacitly agree that Bob's investigation has some significance?

No, I agree that Bob's investigation has significance given the premise that there are Aliens.

Actually, I think you screwed up in trying to make your theory consistent. If you truly believe we're not dealing with aliens, why would Bob's role be at all alignment indicative?

Are trying to tell me that Bob is an Arsonist?

Anyway, between Mac and yessiree, I think it's pretty obvious that Mac is scum, and yessiree bussing would be... unusual, to say the least. So that means the 2nd Arsonist is you or implosion.

who are in your lynch pool today?

[Bicephalous Bob]

what of it

no no I just thought that it was already painfully obvious that we're the only valid alien candidates now

implosion?

who you gonna lynch today?

one of you and mac

probably mac

prod mac please

Bob: why is implosion town?

I'm no good at explaining my townreads

[yessiree]

It's pretty much suicide for town to let Mac live tonight