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VOTE: aronis
Not liking the entrance. Grasping on to something said in pre-start while skipping the rest.
I'm against early flavorclaim in these kind of role madness games.
Especially for the Mourinho, if Snork is willing to guarantee you being town or flips town somewhere, it's wise to just shut up about your flavor just yet.-
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What do you mean by this?In post 27, Aronis wrote:I have a question, what does everyone investigate?
@Snork: having an conftown day 3 or something is so much better than having an conftown day 1. If the player confs himself day 1 he'll probably just be nightkilled.-
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Sthar wasn't role hunting at all, plus hunting for role hunters is the easiest thing to do as scum. Why do you like that?In post 47, ZZZX wrote:I love this post. I am not sure its pro town or not. But it is hunting for role hunters... and he caught a fish. (btw post number here is wrong cus quoting errors and I am lazy to go correct it atm)
Please don't do this kthxIn post 60, ZZZX wrote:After reading a few of snork's post it gave a town vibe but...
I feel he is hiding something about the game setup which can be only known if he was scum.
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This is good posting.In post 54, Snork wrote:Sthar's entrance was just lame, and I didn't like that he had time to make a post AND a response, but couldn't be arsed to plop a vote or poke at anyone. Seemed kind of cautious, and like he wanted to avoid RVS, and the whole "I NEED TO CLAIM TODAY" just was like... wut?? Especially since we've been talking about people claiming and then he acts like he hasn't read and he's too busy.-
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I have no idea why you need to bring a kind of weird meta tell into here, but it surely doesn't justify the blatant rolefishing.In post 63, ZZZX wrote:In post 61, TierShift wrote:
Please don't do this kthxIn post 60, ZZZX wrote:After reading a few of snork's post it gave a town vibe but...
I feel he is hiding something about the game setup which can be only known if he was scum.
Explain
You know meta I found for experienced scum? Defend the easy lynch using many methods close to days end and as town fails to do much they go for the easy which cleans scums in eyes of others. Sometimes scum just knows too much. Its best way to catch them
(Check mini 1472 where I was a victim of this play style by Scotty and theFonz who defended me quite a lot and if he didn't do a few mistakes would have won)Because it shows genuine thought process that I can connect with. I don't exactly agree (I think it's more or less null), but it rings with my own thoughts.
You do know that no one is gonna claim VT in a role madness game?In post 69, ZZZX wrote:1- In mass claiming if he claims VT I can call bs and get the final scum... if he claimed pr then we would check the validity of his claim
I also don't really see the 'something'-slip by hannah you are talking about. I thought it was just a random vote you threw out at the beginning of the game, but are you serious about it now?
I think you are a little too caught up in roles and rolehunting instead of scumhunting. Why is that?-
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Damn belgians.
How do you call that throwing out mud? It very much looks like earnest townness. I'm pretty sure I made pushes like this when I started out.In post 72, My Milked Eek wrote:
What's the point of this? Throwing out mud and seeing what sticks? If anything, the unsollicited "I NEED TO CLAIM" is actually in his favor. If you agree, I don't understand why you'd bring this up and if you don't agree, then I reiterate my previous point: call a cat a cat and don't beat around the bushes.snork wrote:Sthar's entrance was just lame, and I didn't like that he had time to make a post AND a response, but couldn't be arsed to plop a vote or poke at anyone. Seemed kind of cautious, and like he wanted to avoid RVS, and the whole "I NEED TO CLAIM TODAY" just was like... wut?? Especially since we've beentalking about people claimingand then he acts like he hasn't read and he's too busy.In post 97, My Milked Eek wrote:hopkirk, unvote zzzx and get back on tiershift.
I can't remember you ever having needed this to read me.In post 115, My Milked Eek wrote:
I need to be able to read Tier. More votes on Tier help me in that regard.In post 110, ZZZX wrote:
Why not?In post 99, My Milked Eek wrote:Let's not discuss set up this early.
What reason do you want hopkirk to hop on tier's wagon?
VOTE: eek
We're just not on the same page at all and with the fact that your posts have been pretty unmemorable so far, I'm really uncomfortable with you.
Eek, what do you think about zzzx so far?-
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Didn't like his entrance too much. Does only talk about mechanics. Always looks scummy as town tho.
Null, I guess. Kinda slipping under the radar for the extent that's possible on page 5.
Aronis, do you have some thoughts on the content?
P-edit: Fuck eek why do we need to be on the same wavelength again
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It seems like we're playing this game two men short
On other news, I figured out what bothered me in Eek's play.
He showed his plan, getting people to vote me so he could read me, very extensively and stressed that he did it on purpose.
What he didn't do, is execute it. He didn't put actual pressure on me, asked me questions or any of the kind, just blatantly told people to vote me.
He knows I'd expect him to do a great effort to read me correctly if he were town, as we can work together very well. So he showed me that he put in great effort, but he actually didn't.
So I think his attempts at reading me were fake.
Can we get some more Eek votes in?-
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Can you explain this?In post 173, Aronis wrote:I'm getting town vibes from Hopkirk's posts.
@Snork: he's at 2 votes now with your unvote I believe...-
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You say his posts give off townvibes. You can sure point those posts out, then?In post 188, Aronis wrote:
What do I freakin need to explain? I'm town reading him.In post 186, TierShift wrote:Uh, is there a reason why you're not willing to explain yourself?
Snork, where did aronis say zzzx was helpful? I only see 'tried to help'.-
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There's a distinct difference.In post 205, Snork wrote:
Are you fucking kidding me? You're seriously going to argue the semantics between "being helpful" and "trying to help"??In post 198, TierShift wrote:Snork, where did aronis say zzzx was helpful? I only see 'tried to help'.
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Can you explain this?In post 212, sthar8 wrote: Aronis is huffing paint and also likely town.
Why exactly?Eek can be in the townpile for now.
You seem to just be copying the popular reads right now. Shitty.Z is town, Aronis is maybe town. Tier and eek look tvt to me. That means I'm focused on {hannah, kop, snork, hop} right now. Snork is scum or having massive communications problems or both. I'm going to go throw up then sleep for like ten hours then look again.
Your attack on snork is mostly based on his arrogance and it just holds no ground. Why are you not voting him btw?I approve of this.
Eek, response to 168?-
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That's what I mean. It's not scummy, not townie.In post 227, My Milked Eek wrote:Why would town unvote their scum read as soon as he reaches L-2?
You didn't even try. At all.In post 228, My Milked Eek wrote:As said, I figured it wouldn't get traction, so I threw that plan out of the window. I'll read you throughout the game instead.
I saw someone else do it too. He's just trying to be friends with everybody but snork, as it seems.In post 229, My Milked Eek wrote:Also, Tier, how is placing me (and Aronis to a certain extent) in the town pile a popular opinion?-
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What are you trying to say here?In post 231, My Milked Eek wrote:Not exactly. There's a difference to answering those questions. Also, him being scum and unvoting would imply several things about external factors and not about his actions. Him being town and unvoting tells us more about how he thinks and acts.
Faking trying to read someone doesn't make someone scummy?In post 231, My Milked Eek wrote:Meh. I still fail to see how that would make me scum.
Do you think sthar's reads are shitty and uninspired y/n?In post 231, My Milked Eek wrote:Yeah, zzzx right? Sthar's also trying very hard to be friends with hop, right? Who was called townish by a few people (you and me for instance). Stop lying.-
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Uninspired=/=underrepresented. From the way he presents his reads, he doesn't convince me. It just seems like he throws reads out for the sake of throwing reads out.In post 234, My Milked Eek wrote:
lolIn post 233, TierShift wrote:
Do you think sthar's reads are shitty and uninspired y/n?In post 231, My Milked Eek wrote:Yeah, zzzx right? Sthar's also trying very hard to be friends with hop, right? Who was called townish by a few people (you and me for instance). Stop lying.
Aside from snork, the reasons are a bit underrepresented, but then again, I don't explain town reads either so what's your point?
I meant: It's weird and thus concerning, but it doesn't really mean he's scum. He's just worth another good look.In post 235, My Milked Eek wrote:
I tried to indicate the differences between the questions. You said they meant the same thing (paraphrased), but they don't. They're not the same in the aspects of the answers and they're not the same when talking about the person who asked that question. I find it odd that you think he's town and after a "concerning" move from snork, you'd ask "In post 233, TierShift wrote:
What are you trying to say here?In post 231, My Milked Eek wrote:Not exactly. There's a difference to answering those questions. Also, him being scum and unvoting would imply several things about external factors and not about his actions. Him being town and unvoting tells us more about how he thinks and acts.would scum do that?". There's a certain predeterminedness radiating from asking that question in particular.
A wtfamIsupposedtothinkread on Eek and a slight scumlean on sthar. Aronis is very null and the townreads he gets are bothering me.In post 238, Snork wrote:Tier do you have any scum reads?
It's a 9p game, L-2's are very common here. Why do you think it's bothersome?In post 239, Snork wrote:
Not to mention a person getting to L-2 so quickly is a little bothersome.In post 237, Snork wrote:
Maybe because there are a few people I haven't interacted with yet and I'm not ready to end the day like that?In post 227, My Milked Eek wrote:Why would town unvote their scum read as soon as he reaches L-2?-
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I'm not liking that everyone is already discussng who to shoot and especially not that everyone is whining at the lurkers. They are probably not both scum so go hunt scum inthread.
This sums up my thoughts about the previous page.In post 312, Snork wrote:And no one is saying shoot and lynch right now today. They have plenty of opportunity to get it together.
But if they don't... I will not cry at their loss.-
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Oh. Uh.
In that case, sthar, I recommend you hold off your shot till 2 days to deadline or something like that.
I think shooting people that are lurkers atm is a bad idea since they may get active since they promised, or get replaced.
If they're still lurking close to deadline I'd say shoot em.-
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Okay, let me throw out my reads.
Zzzx and snork are town.
Eek is still in the wtfcategory as I like his recent posts but I still get the feeling he's holding something back/being far from truthful. It's not who I want to lynch today, I think.
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Aronis is a tad too null for my taste. Just strolling by without really giving opinions.
Hopkirk is slightly town but as Eek said we need his reads to judge him.
Sthar has been really shallow so far and I would definitely want to lynch him based on his play, if it were not for him being a dayvig.
There's two absolute nullreads in hannah and kop and they are hurting the game. I have way too little scumreads over the board and it's making me paranoid about them.
So uh, I think that was everyone.
VOTE: aronis
You've not dne anything to suggest that you are town, even with this many posts.
For starters, what are your reads? Are you just vote parking on Eek now?-
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Well I can surely see what he thinks of zzzx
But I see your point.
What reads? How is realistic a town tell?In post 338, ZZZX wrote:Well his reads are realistic-
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He's not like really really new here I think.In post 342, My Milked Eek wrote:
Inclined to read him as newbtown.In post 333, TierShift wrote:Why does aronis look town to you two?
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Okay well that saves us a vig shot
Shoot this shit piece of a lurker hannah if she isn't on here soon.
Is that the only reason you think he is town?In post 349, Kop wrote:Sthar, claims to be the viglante, and hasn't be counter claimed, so at the moment, town.
What do you think about aronis?
You say you've played a few times with hannah, but she only has one game here. Do you know her from a different forum?-
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Are you suggesting me and Eek are buddies?In post 357, Hannah26 wrote: If I'm honest I thought the whole a Eek Tier pretend disagreement then actual buddying up rather forced. It was so much like a pretend fight followed by an 'oh shit no one cares we better not start something' type play than anything.
Do you even know what a dayvig is lolWe're still waiting for Starth to have to tell us who he was on day one. We're counting down and there is still nothing. So that to me is extremely suspect.
What's a newbieish point of reading?Snork I'm not sure I trust, very defensive and a little confusing from a newbieish point of reading.-
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Ok, with all the catchup posts being finished, my thoughts about them.
Kop's posting is decent and shows good intent, but I get an ever so slight feeling that he's just like: "lemme throw out my reads and then get back to the lurkercave". Sliiiight townlean.
Hopkirk's reads are utter shit and he should explain himself.
Hannah's posting is some kind of twisted and doesn't make too much sense to me, but she's pointing out things she finds concerning and doesn't really care what others think about her. Townread.
Eek's moved up to town too, I think.
I'm still looking towards Aronis who is sidelining pretty badly now, even making passive-aggressive remarks.
You know you wanna vote aronis, buddy.In post 375, My Milked Eek wrote:Yeah, I don't like Aronis' comment on the lurkers finally posting without commenting on their posts, I'll wait on his promised post, but that doesn't bode well imo.
P-edit: you're still not explaining your reads, hopkirk. You need to elaborate. You can't just say 'X is not looking for scum' or 'Y is a townread' without explaining yourself any further. You still have to make a valid argument for zzzxscum and you're not really trting to convince people, now are you?-
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Could you elaborate more on your snork suspicions? Can you go over hopkirk and arnis again and give us something more?In post 357, Hannah26 wrote:Snork I'm not sure I trust, very defensive and a little confusing from a newbieish point of reading.
Hopkirk is someone I go back and forth on. Sometimes his post seem town sometimes mafia. Same with Arnois, both playing very similar in my eyes.
Kop, why aren't you voting? What do you think of hannah and hopkirk now that they've posted reads?
Sthar, if you still wanna shoot today, you need to hurry up. I'd recommend Aronis. Can you tell us who you're thinking about shooting?-
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Can you link the game where you've seen that?In post 432, Snork wrote:Yes I do. I've seen a scum dayvig in non-bastard games. Why would this be any different?-
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I had msde up a plan of action but then I realized the vig wasn't one-shot. Uhhhh...
Anyway, I think it's best if we lynch today. I said I didn't like how quickly the wagon built up but kop looks really town and while I'm getting a bit paranoid about zzzx I still think this is the lynch I want.
But eh.
I kinda get the feeling zzzx is overly playing the newb card while being better than this. I hope to sort out my suspicions before day end.
P-edit: meh who do you think is scum on the wagon then?-
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