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In post 22, Scripten wrote:
And what's your point? He was writing the same thing you were at the same time, saw you posted, didn't see a need to make any changes before posting. Still not seeing any reason why you shouldn't answer those questions. Either of you care to enlighten me?
So if we were both writing the same thing, at the same time...what does that tell you about the questions you asked?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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You're really pushing this issue. You have to be scum.
Your questions were bad. How are they supposed to help you work out somebody's alignment? They were awful questions designed to look like you were prompting discussion and scum-hunting.
I'm so sure you're gonna flip scum.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 28, Scripten wrote:In post 27, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You're really pushing this issue. You have to be scum.
Your questions were bad. How are they supposed to help you work out somebody's alignment? They were awful questions designed to look like you were prompting discussion and scum-hunting.
I'm so sure you're gonna flip scum.
Uh huh.
Well, let's see. You drop the buzzword OMGUS twice in two posts, and push for a quicklynch. OMGUS is self-centered and quicklynching is a waste of an entire day's worth of information. Combining an OMGUS vote, which you were threatening and now have on me, with a quicklynch, an idea you really like, is anti-town.
Do you see where I'm going or do I have to spell this out for you entirely?
You're gonna have to spell it out for me.
I didn't realise your first vote was a serious vote, I thought it was RVS.
Oh dear, I may have some spelling out to do for you. I know Wolfy from a previous game, the OMGUS was a joke. Both times. I don't believe you couldn't figure this out for yourself, but whatever, I've spelled it out for you now.
Quicklynching was obviously another tongue in cheek comment. Wow, what are you trying to do here?
Pretty sure I have explained my vote on you as well. I fully expect you to get lynched when the rest of the players start the game. It's just too obvious. I don't know why my buddy Tier (who funnily enough I've never played with before) hasn't got his vote on you yet.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 30, TierShift wrote:In post 29, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:my buddy Tier (who funnily enough I've never played with before)
You should play with him more often he's a p cool guy I herd
Script, your questions are useless because whatever answer comes out of it is useless and not game-related. Any question should be aimed at generating content.
BBT what is the scum motivation in pushing the issue?
Defensive. Feels quite strongly that he has to defend his position instead of just admitting they were bad questions. Scum don't like to look like/admit that they have made mistakes; genuine or otherwise.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 32, TierShift wrote:Or he's a newb genuinely thinking he made good questions?
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In post 35, Scripten wrote:BBT:I didn't realize that the comment toward Wolfy was a joke and not a threat. Didn't see the previous game you were talking about. Obviously the second mention of OMGUS was framed as a joke, but I saw it as you creating an atmosphere where you could push an easy day 1 lynch on a player. When I posted my questions, I was more incredulous than anything. I was under the impression that you were trying to normalize a later OMGUS vote disguised as something else. ("No way. I would never OMGUS vote anyone. Look at posts 7 and 10; I find it absolutely ridiculous.")
I'll admit I was slightly under pressure later on. I read your vote on me as that OMGUS vote I'd been expecting out of you.
The second OMGUS was framed as a joke because that's exactly what it was. What makes you think Mr_Ree would have been 'an easy D1 lynch'? Are you now trying to explain away your bad questioning?
In post 36, Scripten wrote:Alright, maybe a bit too paranoid. It's becoming a bit of a thing that I'm not particularly good at RVS/Day 1 stuff.
And there it is. You were offered a route out by Tier when he made the comment about newbie questions and you have jumped at it. You're also now softly admitting to mistakes you have made after my comment re:scum not wanting to look like they have made mistakes.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 43, vettrock wrote:
I read it and I'm not sure what to make of it so I threw something in other direction to see what develops,
To see what develops...from an RVS vote...are you serious?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 47, Scripten wrote:
You claim there's too much effort put into an RVS vote, then you vote that person. This doesn't look like RVS to me, especially with the snarky explanation about "too much effort put into RVS." Either you don't put effort into an RVS vote or you made that vote seriously. Or you're a hypocrite, but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I maybe took the comment toward Wolfy too seriously. I didn't see it as sarcasm so much as a threat. My bad.
My first vote was serious. I really thought he had put too much effort into his vote to make it appear random.
In post 47, Scripten wrote:So, basically, I voted you because of the action you took in voting Mr Ree coupled the with way you phrased that post. Sure, a joke, but if you're going to vote someone on their joke, then you should expect the same treatment in return. My questions were meant to draw attention to how you'd mentioned OMGUS in both posts you'd made more than to catch you in your answer. I've explained already how it's possible to get away with an otherwise poor vote/lynch by normalizing a game theory concept. You could have answered AND said they were poor questions, but nope, you just dodged. The fact that you dodged them made me push, because if there's one thing I've seen scum do consistently, it's dodge questions, especially ones that are easy to answer; questions that a townie would have no reason to avoid.
Again, my first vote was serious.
Your questions had no relevance to how you would work out my alignment, they were bad questions designed to make it look like you were prompting discussion and scum-hunting; not that you'd need to work out my alignment because you already know I'm town, amirite?
In post 47, Scripten wrote:Again, keep in mind that I didn't realize that you had prior game experience with Wolfy or that your OMGUS thing was a running joke. I don't really do meta, and I don't know which game you are referring to anyway. You just said up and said "I'm not going to answer that." I pushed you to answer (Or even give a reason why you shouldn't answer) and you voted me here(20) with nothing else in the post. OMGUS, just like I had been expecting out of you, and you didn't even deign to answer why you were dodging questions. I ask AGAIN and you answer half my post here(23) and STILL don't either answer or explain what was wrong with my questions.
Circular discussion about to happen up in here.
How is my vote OMGUS when I have specifically said why I voted for you? I have explained what was wrong with your questions, I have nothing more to add on this.
Side Note: You had a whole lot of fluff in that post and this discussion is going around in circles now.
In post 48, Wolfy wrote:In post 47, Scripten wrote:
Wolfy:Just to be sure, can you confirm that explanation, please? It's reasonable that it's a running joke, but I don't feel like taking chances.
BBT's first newbie game (my second) I read him as solid town the whole game - he was scum.
He drew comments afterwards from the pros for exceptional 1st time scum play.
My RVS vote wasn't random - I picked him because I knew him - but it was meant as a joke.
I am taking his response in the same manner.
I am leaving my vote on him though because after last time he's going to have to work alotharder to convince me he is town
Wolfy, I would be offended if you wasn't so complimentary.
Now, move your vote onto a scum wagon please. Scripten is scum.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 51, vettrock wrote:
The whole purpose of the RVS stage is to throw out votes and see how people react, buddy, defend, sheep, etc.
It seems to me that there was a comment, and then someone's over reaction, and then an overreaction to the overreaction.
That's...nice and vague.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 60, Josh_B wrote:I was waiting on a game start PM.
@Mod - It might be worth sending a game start PM to Clusk and Shaded who are yet to post in the game.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 72, Scripten wrote:
And you are sheeping like there's no tomorrow. Hence my comments about it. Again, do you haveanythingoriginal to say, or are you just going to regurgitate what's already been said?
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In post 76, TierShift wrote:Thanks for the assessment.
Engage with me. If you think Scripten is town, tell me why.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Actually, I have a question about 36; what exactly was you paranoid about?
PEdit - That's so pro-town of you to do so. I'm not scum-hunting. At all.
PEdit v2 - Not sure if they're lurking or simply inactive. It's annoying, that's for sure.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Yeah it is, there is a difference between lurking and being inactive; I interpret both differently depending on circumstances.
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In post 91, Wolfy wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me if BBT & Scripten were the scum team - distancing with aggressive push in the full knowledge that we're not going to lynch on the basis of this discussion!
Why don't you jump on the Scripten wagon and we can put that to the test?
I hate it when town starts voting town. Such a waste of time.
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In post 95, Scripten wrote:Ireallydon't like that you're so concerned about your image that you'll switch wagons just to be on at the right time.
Can you clarify where he did this please because I don't see it.
In post 98, Mr_Ree wrote:Still a little bit early to start looking for teams guys, especially without a single scum flip.
Not liking my current Tier vote, that guy may actually be town. Looking for a new wagon. Any suggestions?
You're keeping up with the game whilst contibuting zilch. Stop actively lurking and do something.
In post 107, TierShift wrote:In post 94, Josh_B wrote:Don't push shitty wagons against RVS posts, unless you want to be scum read.
He's scumreading because hehasto, it seems.
Plus, that sheep is horrible.
I don't understand this, especially the first part. Elaborate please.
In post 97, Wolfy wrote:still crap. personal but not alignment indicative.
Was about to say stop sitting on the fence, then;
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In post 113, Scripten wrote:
It's in the post right above yours. Specifically, when I pressed him for sheeping, he seemed to think that the fact that he was second on a wagon was more important than having no original points. To me, it's not. He could have been the first to vote me and his vote would still be based on sheeping if he wasn't actually coming to his own conclusions.
You're just supporting this by claiming infallibility on a scum read that's way too powerful for this early in the game. The way you try to push votes around also makes you look scummy from my PoV, and if I flip, I highly suspect the rest of the town to agree. Considering I have a mild town read on you atm, that's bad.
For the first part, can you quote it please.
If I think you're scum, I'm going to push it. Whether we're on page 2 or page 52 makes no difference to me. Considering you think I'm scummy, I'm surprised you're 'mildly town-reading me'.
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In post 115, Scripten wrote:
^ This here.
I said that pushing votes around like that looks scummy. Just because you're slightly more town in my eyes doesn't mean you've not been scumread for your play.
I was asking you to quote Josh to show where he started speaking about his position on a wagon.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 108, ShadedMelee wrote:Oops sorry, prod received. I totally forgot the game, will catch up soon.
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In post 141, Wolfy wrote:So, in summary:
Josh_B and Scripten
- two solid townies stuck in a conf bias loop that they won't get out of all game (or the best scum team ever)
BBT
- active scum hunting townie - just like the last game I played with him (when he was scum!)
Tiershift
- active scum hunting townie - stirrer/catalyst.
Clusk/Mr_Ree/Shaded/Vettrock/Me - all null - not enough content posting.
Still, it has been very entertaining so far.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mr_Ree
something not quite right about the response to the RVS votes - looks like trying to hide in the pack since then...
Hmm.
When did your read change on Josh? Why did you think he was scummy when you voted for him? What in particular changed your read from scummy to townie?
It's quite the jump from voting him for 'looking scummy' to a 'solid townie'.
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This says you were reading Josh as scummy.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 145, Wolfy wrote:[
Nah. It says I was reading him as pretty!
I wasn't. It was a vote to get a reaction. What I got was next to nothing. He just carried on bickering with Scripten. That tells me town.
You may have been about to get a reaction;
In post 122, Josh_B wrote:
Can you please give more of an explanation? What did you decide was alignment indicative?
But you chose to ignore this for some reason. Why is that?
Your logic and thoughts are not consistent so far. You were very fence-sitty at the beginning as well. I think that was an opportunistic vote that you realized you couldn't explain without it looking like you were sheeping so you retracted it.
Then you immediately OMGUS me. Why do you think I'm scum exactly?
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In post 155, Wolfy wrote:
So me and Scripten a scum team?
No - I see from a later post that you think Scripten might be town now.
Your "almost certain" = "worth fuck all" because you can't possibly accurately scum read from what somebody says this early in a game.
Post 27 about Scripten - "I'm so sure you're gonna flip scum."
Explain the difference between "so sure" that Scripten is going to flip scum with "almost certain" that I am scum.
Here is my explanation: BBT has insufficient information and is talking crap.
Stop using hyperbole.
Having slight scum reads at this stage is fine - being "sure" or "almost certain" is absolute crap.
That's a lot of fluff.
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In post 155, Wolfy wrote:
Having slight scum reads at this stage is fine -being "sure" or "almost certain" is absolute crap.
Hi Wolfy.
You're looking pretty desperate right now.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 164, Scripten wrote:
BBT:I do not appreciate that I'm suddenly "potential town" because I agree with you. What's with that? That's not a town-sided attitude to have. That's self-serving meta BS. Considering your strong feelings on the matter, isn't that something you should be avoiding?
PPE: Post 162 does make sense. However, your answers have not satisfied me, Wolfy.
I wouldn't expect you to bus your partner right now. When you made your first post restating your case on Josh it looked like you were trying to keep a counter-wagon going to oppose the Wolfy one I was starting.
However, you changed that and voted for him. Therefore, right now, you're probably town and Wolfy is scum.
Wolfy's reaction should make it clear to everyone he is scum.
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In post 170, Scripten wrote:Actually, I specifically meant that BBT's "Agrees with me = towntell" is BS. Tiershift got it, though.
BBT:The whole conf bias thing is getting old as well. It's like you're setting up a meta for people in other games to look back on. Smells of gaming the system, and that's really uncool.
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In post 172, Scripten wrote:
BBT:Basically, you've been going through this game saying that people who agree with you are town. Your sudden town read on me supports that. Being so damn cocksure of your reads, especially on day 1, is folly. I said this before and I hold by it. If you're trying to manipulate your meta, please STOP. It's just making it more difficult for the rest of the town.
165 is why you're reading town to me right now. It's not because you agree with me.
I am intrigued though. What makes you think I am trying to manipulate my meta? Such a strange thing to say given my stance on meta.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 195, Scripten wrote:In post 194, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Mr Ree, can you hammer please.
Why should we want to quickhammer before Wolfy has had more chances to answer questions/slip up?
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Look at Wolfy's ISO. It's ridiculous.
Anybody who accuses him of being scum is automatically OMGUS'ed and he accuses them of being scum.
So far he has OMGUS'ed me, FoS Scripten (calling us the scum-team), OMGUS'ed Asher and now thinks Mr. Ree is scum or not very clever townie.
You know there are only two scum in this game, right Wolfy? The only person who has avoided your wrath is Tier.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 207, Wolfy wrote:In post 206, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
You know there are only two scum in this game, right Wolfy? The only person who has avoided your wrath is Tier.
an you're alreadycertainyou've found them!
You're still not answering questions...
What next when I flip town?
You're not flipping town. On the off-chance that you do, you should work on your town play. It's pretty bad.
Funny how you think I am still scum-reading Scripten. You're not keeping up very well are you?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 210, Scripten wrote:In post 208, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 207, Wolfy wrote:In post 206, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
You know there are only two scum in this game, right Wolfy? The only person who has avoided your wrath is Tier.
an you're alreadycertainyou've found them!
You're still not answering questions...
What next when I flip town?
You're not flipping town. On the off-chance that you do, you should work on your town play. It's pretty bad.
Whoa, now. That's not cool. You're deflecting a legitimate question.
Hypothetically, if he does flip town, where would you go on day 2 for first suspicions? Hell, why not give us both situations: IE scum and town Wolfy?
Jesus Christ. I don't believe you're this bad at mafia. Like, I just don't.
Think about it. Think about the question and what my response could be. Think who that might help, think who gets to use that information over N1...Jesus Christ.
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In post 213, Scripten wrote:
How in the hell would explaining your top potential scum reads help the scumteam? What, so they can eliminate the players that look towniest toexclusively you? You're really overestimating your power over this game if you think that.
I'm not saying it's a bad question specifcally because its aimed at me. I'm saying it is a bad question full stop.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 216, Scripten wrote:
Asking everyone for their full reads isn't good, but top one or two scum picks is a different story. Rather than just saying "it's bad because I say so," would you please explain how it is bad for you to give one or two reads?
If you can tell me what the advantages of doing that would be; sure, why not.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 218, Scripten wrote:
It allows us corroborate our own reads if you happened to notice something the rest of us missed. Likewise, it helps to alleviate the inherent advantage scum have over town. They already know who is scum and who is town, so scum reads give information exclusively to town. The scumteam really doesn't care who we think is scum. In fact, keeping scummy town players around can be useful to them. And process of elimination is only so useful.
Why do you think the opposite?
What you mean by this, of course, is it gives scum a running commentary of what town are doing/thinking and what direction we plan to head in on the next day in x, y and z scenarios. Scum can formulate a strategy over N1 to deal with this; do you see that?
In post 219, Josh_B wrote:scripten, I think you are hunting for reads because you want to know who to NK. I don't think reads are good right now, and I'd like you to have to shoot in the dark.
This isn't my normal stance, I'll admit, but the question you are asking BBT right now seems like the same question you asked Vettrok.Since scum have to fabricate their reads, we're about one second from going into NP, and we still have players MIA.
At this point it probably won't do anyone any good to give reads until after the flip.
This guy knows what he is talking about. He's just approaching it the wrong way.
@Bold - Can you clarify this?
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In post 226, Wolfy wrote:In post 212, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
PEdit - Wolfy, stop insulting me. I don't know why you're making this personal.
It's not personal:
it's your reads that are bad - not you (probably)
it's your logic that is faulty - not you (probably)
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In post 230, Wolfy wrote:In post 229, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:How about a concise reads-list right here on every player. An example format could be;
*Name - Alignment*
how about you answer the questions I've asked you this game that you've dodged?
Here's another one:
Why did I claim VT?
By not providing a reads-list, you're really not helping your *fellow* townies. You know that right?
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In post 233, Wolfy wrote:In post 141, Wolfy wrote:So, in summary:
Josh_B and Scripten
- two solid townies stuck in a conf bias loop that they won't get out of all game (or the best scum team ever)
BBT
- active scum hunting townie - just like the last game I played with him (when he was scum!)
Tiershift
- active scum hunting townie - stirrer/catalyst.
Clusk/Mr_Ree/Shaded/Vettrock/Me - all null - not enough content posting.
Still, it has been very entertaining so far.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mr_Ree
something not quite right about the response to the RVS votes - looks like trying to hide in the pack since then...
since you're all too lazy to read back.
The only change is Asher's scummy entry as I said in 228
BTW If I were scum I would have claimed Cop - 50/50 is better odds than 100%.
If there wasn't a CC you might not have lynched me - if there was a CC I'd have outed the cop.
I'm V/LA now for 4 days so that's all you get.
Good luck town.
I wonder who BBT will be certain of tomorrow...
And this reads list hasn't changed/updated in nearly 4 pages worth of posts? Even after all your unvoting and voting? Even after saying I am scummier than scum despite apparently town-reading me?
Come on man, you just put the final nail in your own coffin.
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Spoiler: Response to Wake
In post 264, Josh_B wrote:
This is the general consensus. I usually use spoilers to reduce game clutter. However this time, I wanted everything that I said about scripten to be in my Iso. I don't plan on going after him today. I want to get better reads on other players. At this point, I think vetrock is probably town. It was really tough to watch him replace my slot in Marvel and see him be so uncertain about Vezok. That game is over now, so :problem solved, problem staying solved. Marvel was a huge roller coaster for me that started back in April. I did a lot to be conf town, so it was disappointing to watch vettrock allow so much uncertainty to build up around the slot without ever addressing it.
I like seeing the responses from Asher.
I still think scripten is scummy.
I had strong feelings at the start of DP1 that BBT is town
Tiershift is in my town pile
ShadedMelee was null, Wake seems to be town. The inclusion of Mr. Ree in his questions makes it rather obvious that he planned to question him before he died, and therefore had expectations of him being in DP2.
Just to clarify; your town-read on Vettrock is based on meta, right?
Your reads list is strange. You had strong feelings I was town at start of D1, how about now? Has that changed?
You're town-reading everyone in the game except Scripten; who you're not going to pursue today. So, what exactly are you planning on doing for D2?
Also;
Vettrock and Josh_B- Can you explain what made you so sure Wolfy was town? Also, given that you both thought he was town, why did neither of you try to defend him? You both just let the wagon and lynch happen whilst subtly stating you thought he was town.
I think the whole wagon on Wolfy may have been town. If there was scum on it, it's one of Tier or Asher; leaning Asher.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 275, Josh_B wrote:Not true, and I bolded my plans in purple. So you can see them better.
Yeah it is true. You're town-reading vettrock, you had 'strong feelings I was town at start of D1', Tier is 'in your town pile', wake 'seems town' and your 'liking the responses of Asher'.
What am I missing?
In post 275, Josh_B wrote:The scumminess of the wagon outwieghed the scumminess of the player. I never stated that he was town.
This makes no sense. The wagon consisted of myself (strong town-read), Tier (who is in your town pile), Asher (who's responses you like), Mr. Ree (who is a confirmed townie) and the one person you were scum-reading.
Elaborate for me, how did you find this particular wagon so scummy and why was there no mention of this D1?
Also, in 237 you say "Let me be honest, I'm not hammering Wolfy right now because his vote on me was something that I would do if two other players were arguing in circles about irrelevant useless crap that really wasn't all that alignment indicative".
How was this alignment indicative of Wolfy?
In post 275, Josh_B wrote:now let me ask you this question. At the beginning of the game, you defended yourself from scripten over the OMGUS on Wolfy. But when Wolfy came in, it seems like you didn't even give him a chance before you started saying he was scum and getting scripten to vote him. Why not? I could see how if wolfy flipped scum, you could solidify your opinion of scripten. But I can't see it with wolfy being town. From my POV, scripten looked very opportunistic. Although at this point I will admit that I'm probably in a confbias loop of his behavior.
See 142, 144 and 146 where I gave Wolfy numerous chances to explain his thought processes/reads and he just wasn't providing sufficient answers from my perspective.
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Spoiler: Response to Josh
In post 279, vettrock wrote:I'll try and address some of the questions towards me, and I'll try and dig deeper to make sure I address all of the question later.
On Wolfy, and why I didn't defend him harder and why I thought he was town. I thought He was town. I didn't have a particularly reason other than his play being similar that the last time I played with him, and the fact that the wagon gathered much too quickly. Part of the reason I didn't defend him "harder" is just that he was hammered before we could really discuss much more. I'm thinking there was at least one scum on the wagon there pushing it. Since Mr. Ree is confirmed town that leaves BBT, Scripten, Asher, and TierShift. Asher I find particularly scummy with his jump into the game and make a vote for the largest wagon on the way to a quick lynch. I'm not saying we should wait until the deadline is looming to finish voting, but I think by ending the Day early, it is only hurting town.
More later.
The wagon gathering quickly is a good point, and it was something I considered. However, it was only the first 3 votes that went on fairly quickly, and I think they all came from town.
The meta point is bullshit though.
Mr. Ree clearly delayed the hammer so that discussion could take place. All you did to try and prevent the lynch was 236 and 240, and that was mostly about how anti-town it was to lynch Wolfy. Not actually trying to defend Wolfy himself.
Also, in 137 you eluded to Scripten being slightly scummy but you weren't ready to call him scum yet. You instead decided to leave your vote on Shaded, an inactive. Why was that?
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Josh:
In post 276, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Elaborate for me,howwhy did you find this particular wagon so scummy and why was there no mention of this D1?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Hi Josh, please see 280 and respond please.
As for the 'quick wagon, no reason', I don't believe for one second that town Josh would not find Wolfy's reactions scummy. Everyone (bar one) on the Wolfy wagon you were reading as town, how does that make the wagon scummy?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Spoiler: Response to Josh
Now that there has been some back and forth, what are other people's opinions about what's going on? In particular, with thoughts to myself thinking that it could have been an all town lynch. Is anyone thinking different? If so, who is the scum on the wagon?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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You forgot to respond to this part;
In post 284, Josh_B wrote:
I agree, Wolfy didn't answer some of my questions also. He said some questionable things. Obviously, it was bad town play. But let's look at the wagon for what it was. - A free mislynch. evaluate it just like you would any other mislynch
You agree? What part are you agreeing with? It's obviousnowthat it was bad town play, so on D1, by this thought process you should have seen it as scummy play, no? This is what I don't understand
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