Micro 381 - 999 Mafia (Nonary Game Complete)
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The Bulge Jack of All Trades
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In post 1120, Parama wrote:p. sure nothing's gonna happen until you post something useful, man
Am I being waited for?
I'm reading through Not_Mafia and Reckoner's ISOs. Not_Mafia is probably my biggest scumread at the moment and I'm really not sure about Reck. I'll be home in about 2 hours to post reads etc and lay down a vote. I know the deadline is coming up, sorry for the wait.-
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ARUGHAUDG I'M A LYING LIARFACE SORRY
Anyway, Not_Mafia is scum.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
(L-1?)
Early Day 1 is cluttered with general theory talk, IC-ing the newbies, vague comments, unoriginal content/common knowledge, and questions without followup. Basically all the tells of scum trying to look useful without actually affecting the state of the game.
Spoiler: Here's some of that good stuff
There's a lot more in later ISO, but that should be enough to get my point across.
I don't know how to read Reck because the passive-aggressiveness (just look at that fucking smile) could very well be fake rage. I don't think I've ever played a game with you before, reck, but you strike me as a kuribo-esque player (ie, rips your face off in a 1v1) but I know that players like that are very good at faking their town-rage. I'll try to figure you out tomorrow but for now I'm standing on a Not_Mafia lynch.-
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In post 1132, xRECKONERx wrote:In post 1131, The Bulge wrote:reck, but you strike me as a kuribo-esque player
Knew you'd like that
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In post 1131, The Bulge wrote:Basically all the tells of scum trying to look useful without actually affecting the state of the game.
This is important.
The post was not meant to be taken quote-by-quote, but as a whole just to demonstrate this point. Each post on its own is not inherently bad, but it takes up the majority of his early-game ISO.
Theory posting - especially generalized theory - is good in practice but does not advance the game and is not scumhunting.
ICing is the best example of trying to look useful.
Vague posts are extremely non-committal and give the illusion of scumhunting behind the scenes when really he can make up any explanation he wants when it comes to it.
Parroting isn't always bad. I don't expect anything important to only be said once. But the length of the posts show again that he's trying to appear helpful without actually contributing anything.
Questions without followups plus the occasional empty read has basically the same reasoning as vagueness (ie, noncommittal, nothing set in stone, etc) plus no solid effort to scumhunt.-
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In post 1172, Parama wrote:though he seems intent on doing so
I knew you disagreed with my reasons.
But does that make me scum?-
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In post 1185, Bins wrote:how inactive was the other QT btw
YEA WTF GUYS why did ours have like 5 posts-
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What's so bad about it? Deadline is in like 2 hours. Another wagon was not about to happen.-
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dayvig: parama-
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In post 1263, Parama wrote:waiting on a PM thing and then I'll vote, 99% sure who I'm lynching today though
Doublevoter + ?
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In post 1268, Parama wrote:VOTE: Gammagooey
how do we want to do doors btw? 3 people in, 2 out, or all 5 people in a single door?
Is 5 together even beneficial? It's basically just nightless
...except some of us might die-
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In post 1295, Akane Kurashiki wrote:The message fits with flavor, at any rate.
ugh ugh ugh. What the fuck ever, let's lynch scum today so this stupid game can stop hurting my stupid brain.
But it also fits with a QT Spy. Why else would he want to sit out?
Did anyone receive a message from Grib?-
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In post 643, Grib wrote:The former.
Is there any chance I can be outside by myself? That way I can share some maybe useful info about my role, and if scum kill me it at least proves the NK can pierce rooms.-
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In post 1298, Parama wrote:In post 1296, The Bulge wrote:In post 1295, Akane Kurashiki wrote:The message fits with flavor, at any rate.
ugh ugh ugh. What the fuck ever, let's lynch scum today so this stupid game can stop hurting my stupid brain.
But it also fits with a QT Spy. Why else would he want to sit out?
Did anyone receive a message from Grib?
well I did N1 and he was dead by N2, so. I doubt he'd be able to message two people in one night.
What did it say?
pedit - You're discounting Parama?-
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In post 1309, Akane Kurashiki wrote:And why are we worrying about Grib's role, exactly? He's flipped. I was talking about Reck still.
pedit OMG SO MANY POSTS
Grib's role potentially gives us insight on Reck's role.-
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In post 1361, Parama wrote:In post 1359, The Bulge wrote:Ok if we're gonna base today off of "try to find who RBd reck" I think I'd like Parama to claim because that could potentially save us a lot of time.
omg are you seriously this dense
Well I'm assuming it has something to do with it...
So yes, I am precisely this dense.-
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In post 1345, Parama wrote:if that's your premise for not lynching him
then i'm going to have to
do something
and get reck pissed at me
I mean this-
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In post 1380, Bins wrote:btw gamma in room 4 was making a case on you bussing nm, parama
that was me-
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paraphrasing...
You didn't say "Not_Mafia is a better wagon" so much as "I don't like the Bulge wagon", implying you prefer N_M.
Basically it looks like you could have pre-planned a bus lynch and you wanted to see it through without connecting yourself to it too much. Obviously being on a scum's lynch is townpoints++, but distancing from a bus is also likely and starts getting into WIFOM territory.
Enforced by the fact that you apparently posted a case against N_M in your N1 QT but I don't recall anything solid in-thread (trying to subtly influence a couple people, again without drawing too much attention)-
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In post 1404, Akane Kurashiki wrote:In post 1402, Bins wrote:Jackel didn't even mention NM.
not only this, but she mentioned everyone else at least once, and several people a butt-ton. That's a stronger associative tell than just not mentioning NM.
I basically wrote an outline for a thesis paper in the QT for you and Jackel/Gamma associative tells, and got halfway through one on Parama before my care-o-meter ran out, sooooo yeah.
Why so sure of a three person scumteam?-
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In post 1554, Parama wrote:Bulge is ???
In post 1390, The Bulge wrote:paraphrasing...
You didn't say "Not_Mafia is a better wagon" so much as "I don't like the Bulge wagon", implying you prefer N_M.
Basically it looks like you could have pre-planned a bus lynch and you wanted to see it through without connecting yourself to it too much. Obviously being on a scum's lynch is townpoints++, but distancing from a bus is also likely and starts getting into WIFOM territory.
Enforced by the fact that you apparently posted a case against N_M in your N1 QT but I don't recall anything solid in-thread (trying to subtly influence a couple people, again without drawing too much attention)
It's not like it came out of no where-
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In post 1570, Bins wrote:
In post 487, Not_Mafia wrote:
7-vote: xRECKONERx, Quilford, Not_Mafia
8-vote: Parama, Akane Kurashiki, Bins
In post 794, Not_Mafia wrote:Would prefer this
1-vote: Bins, Quilford, Not_Mafia
5-vote Akane Kurashiki, Parama, xRECKONERx
hmmmhm???
Never in the same room. Good catch-
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In post 1589, Akane Kurashiki wrote:I don't have words for this stupidity. I've been sitting here trying to type things for like ten minutes now and there are just no words to fully encompass my anger except for maybe "ritual murder-suicide."
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