Micro 444 molliegeddon [OVER]

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WHO'S ASS DO I GRAB NOW, ANTI? HUH?

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oh yeah /confirming

that i will not post in hydra until the game actually starts.

that's what you get for that awesome PM anti.

THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANKS

p-edit mastin i'll grab your ass any day

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i feel like thor should be in this game and i dont understand why he's not.

p-edit: you already forgot last night? i'm crushed anti.


absolutely crushed.

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*grabby*

lol how am i town already mastin

my hydra buddy hasn't even posted and we know how that's gonna go!

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also lol at thor gif

i♥it

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lol

you gave me the easiest job on the planet konowa!

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I think that might be a hopeful, "If ETL and Varsoon are scum then we've lost already so they must be town for town to win" mindset?

reminds me of beli's whatchamacallit...

shaheed's law.

p-edit posting is not a towntell!

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agreed on tso! and i am totally down for konowa's idea

can we all drunken party tonight in the game thread?

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I have my bottle of jack ready and everything.

sadface

ECSTATIC FACE

I have champagne and amber beers at home. I also have jack but jack is disgusting. oh yeah and a half gallon of capt morgan.

p-edit you may have but <<<pothead so i probably forgot. i'm gonna go look through our old hydra QT see if i can find it.

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WHAT? NEVER MASTIN?

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HI TSO!!! ♥

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HURRAH!

(i've been in class for a month now )

pedit ily2tso!

but not yet. i will be. because today FUCKING SUCKED OKAY.

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will be drunk i mean!

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also - mod role pm is fucking hilarious!

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is anyone up for talking about their day being shit because I can most definitely do that or listen and sympathise

yes i'm supposed to go celebrate a 5 year anniversary next weekend and pretend like everything is hunky dory when i found out last night dude lied about something pretty big and i got no sleep, missed the alarm, was late for my morning meeting at work, and am fucking exhausted and don't know whether to cancel the hotel or what. /rant

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flubber is this just you being awkward you or is it you being awkward scum again?

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:hug mastin!:

you're awesome

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ooooo!!!! dgb scum reads me!

tell me why
legit curious

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what is my expiration date

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are you mad about the thing he lied about or the fact he lied to you?

the fact that he lied to me.

also flubber

if you vote an individual head of a hydra, the vote will not count.

if you vote an individual head of a hydra, the vote will not count.

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TSO, mastin and LC all have expiration dates. and i think i do too.

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(N1, totally. )

awwwwww <3

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not sure why it quoted the thing twice - it was supposed to be a quote from the rules and quote of my hydra in the player listing.

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so i just went to post from drunken lies and i forgot the password

so...

guyett can you send it to me?

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i always kill tso.

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what?

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i always kill tso.

So do I. (Why else do you think I knew it was

you

? )

you did not!

you didn't start scumreading me until day 3, which is when you always start to scum read me in every single game we've ever played together ever

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/confirm

Egopost

~ETL

GET OUT OF HERE JINGLE.

that's so borderline!

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i also find it interesting that all my hydra partners sign for me the same (wrong) way when trying to pretend to be me

except AP does ~EtL with the weird little t

p-edit:

@mod - i lost my password and waiting for Guy to send it to me.

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I DON'T GET IT MASTIN.

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@MOD: DRUNKEN LIES WILL VOTE: KABOOSE and I will pick this up as soon as I get the pass sorted out.

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mastin - like, LC is always a great vote but I don't wanna kick them out today. Kaboose is not being himself though, so that's always a good sign of scum.

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i'm not drunk yet i'm still stuck at work!

BUT MAFIA IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!!!! i'm having fun but i also want to lynch scum. and you know LC should be easy to figure out after some poking. plus this is role madness, so there's bound to be some fun stuff, and jingle and sthar are both incredibly intelligent, so if they are town, they will use whatever they have very wisely.

best not to lynch them today imo.

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The last time we voted someone like Kaboose was when we voted Ward in Redemption and I defended him. Ward turned out to be scum.

Kaboose, make your own way.

kaboose is nothing like ward!

he's more like me and he is not being that way!

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we males are often stupid people and lie for reasons which seem correct to us. I do it every day, and it always seems like the right option at the time.

yes. he does this. stupid dumb shit. i know. and i know he feels terrible. but it still damages my ability to trust him and that's huge.

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omg mastin go write your posts in a PT or QT or something. i don't speak this language

stuff bells....?

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Red flags, red flags!

I don't speak interpretive dance. Try english.

How are you townreading me mastin

six green flags twirling

long blue ribbon snapping in the wind

LOOOOOOOOOOL

^ reminded of this mastin!

also.. i guess so. i prefer to accuse them of doing scummy things they aren't doing and see which way they explode.

p-edit: <3 thanks TSO - you'll find it!

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When are we getting role pms?

..................

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omg mastin go write your posts in a PT or QT or something. i don't speak this language

Well, I would if I had one, but I don't, and I'm not exactly gonna get one this game. :/

Stuff is a substitute word for another word that if I said it would give the entire thing away. Bells is referring to a separate thing loosely tied to the stuff, emphasis 'loosely'.

you're a mod just make one.

and ok. i guess. i'll just have to get really high to figure this one out i suppose...

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I was just giving my reason not to defend Kaboose, really - the rest is pretty much immaterial right now.

also realize that in that game i had prior knowledge of him being scum who was going to lurk. kaboose is the kind of player who gets super hyped about games like this, he's really involved, he loves the puzzle, really wants to solve it, and wants things to go his way and tries a million different ways of explaining himself.

i'm surprised he didn't get involved in the pre-game revelry and it's really a huge red flag for me.

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UGH DAMN YOU ANTI WTF.

Drunken Lies UNVOTE: Kaboose

It makes more sense now. His absence. This pass isn't gonna last forever though, Kaboose, just fyi.

Also, yes, I did coach them to blend into the background. Guyett had a wild hair up his ass that whole game and I was just nervous about Flubber after his performance in Chosen. It worked didn't it?

p-edit yes. I was fake scum hunting. Because I totally knew Kaboose didn't have a role PM.

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Kaboose - was talking about someone else.

Also, I already spoke to Anti about the password situation, and I assume that he will be counting my votes/unvotes until that gets sorted out.

My assumptions about your style of play are from my observations of you here and on FF. I voted you because you did not get involved in the pre-game chatter, which was contradictory to what I know of you. After learning you did not even have a role PM, that changes the possible circumstances for why you were not involved, so I retracted the vote. I kind of thought I made that clear.

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Why would you hold pre game chatter to someone as a scum tell? How could I give a scum tell to you when even if I had had my role pm on time, you were basing your read on the time before ANYONE had one? How does that make sense?

because he sent out the PMs before opening the thread so everyone had one. why would I assume you didn't?

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if jingle doesn't start posting I may join you there mastin.

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gut says he is tso. he's pushing.

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A poor push, though.

yeah but it's not like he's been around the site for ages and ages. I know getting better is something he actively wants to do and I can see that in his posts. he's trying things and seeing where they go. the quality of the logic is irrelevant in this case.

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So before the first non mod post was made everyone but me had a role PM? So I can look through everything right now for stuff?

yes.

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ooooo!!!! dgb scum reads me!

tell me why
legit curious

I caught you for wrong reasons, that is all.

mmmm k. if wrong reasons = no reasons.

still town though

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Drunken Lies VOTE: DGB

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kaboose and mastin are town so far. maybe others but those are strongest at the moment.

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Because it gives town the chance to not shoot itself in the foot.

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Seeing as this is only a 9 person game, and so I think town get what? 3 mislynches before we're ded? I'm going to out my role because I CAN NOT go to any LyLo or MyLo. So we need to lynch me tonight unless we have a 100% for sure scum to lynch.

I'm town hated and putting me at L-1 is the same as hammering me.

/discuss

this is townie as fuck. jesus.

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flubber is also town.

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leaves

varsoon
konowa
tso
LC

for sorting.

DGB is just scum.

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I would put money on Flubber being town here. He's actually asking the kind of questions that show me he's interested in the answers - scumFlubber just doesn't do that.

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i agree. it's a difficult decision. if we don't lynch scum today, he HAS to go tomorrow, as the following day will be MYLO. if we hit scum today, we can push him off one more day.

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vengeful townie is a day action that is why it is revealed on

the day that it happened and not the morning after. hint: a vengefull is not a morning after pill.

Okay, who's the idiot that asked?

lol.,.. i'm p sure is a helium quote from a game

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also guys i'm two beers in!

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if we don't lynch scum

today

, he HAS to go

tomorrow

, as

the following day

will be MYLO.

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Did you claim something?

jesus really?

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I dunno who that is talking there. Jingle was online. I was talking to Jingle.

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Talk to me about the Goofball.

I will when I switch over to DL. I promise.

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lol...

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Think Twice: Him scum. You scumread him (This was the gaslighting game, btw.)
Faith +1: He was scum, you scumread him.
True Love: You replaced in and lynched scum him.
Street Racers: You thought he was scum

and he was

You just quoted how many games where I correctly got yall as scum?

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I also like how you conveniently left out the town games i played with you (jingle) where i read you correctly as town.

vote's not changing.

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Yeah except I've acknowledged that I am reading this game based on you - not sthar8.

And as far as your reading comprehension, all I'm going to do is quote you the post where I explained my read on you.

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meh. Varsoon, I know you don't care about, or put any value in meta, but it's there, and that's why I'm reading Flubber as town, and I'd put money on it being a correct read due to the meta.

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aren't you like 12 TSO

gtfo

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oh well that makes it so much better

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#bestdoctor ^

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I'm sorry, are you not scumreading us for "not engaging"?

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hop off jingle

you know we are town

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jingley why so afraid to vote is?

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I said it generally does Varsoon

that's a bad idea. let's lynch scum instead please

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not the sexy part. the voting kaboose part

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I fucking responded. multiple times.

when the truth comes out you are done for so continue digging that hole babe

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yep

sabotage. past few games I've finally started to know when to trust her.

keep on digging. it looks good on you. and I promise it will be fun

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wow mastin.

LC we will die without being lynched or night killed by virtue of how our role works.

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glad you are so sure of a bad read. that's actually contributing to my scumread of you.

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Right. on FF.net. Where there's no fucking ISO button, days are 72 hours long, and people have zero meta and act like crazies.

Good justification!

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right... I totally DIDNT give the reason as "I know him better because I've played with him more and you haven't". I just said "I'm right you're wrong the end"

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truth is not an appeal to authority you awkward buzzword filler little man

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GOD DAMN WHO DO I HAVE TO BLOW TO GET A REPLACEMENT AROUND HERE?

thor?

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jesus christ TSO shut up and vote Konowa. Don't you want to see what I can do?

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oh. that didn't happen yet? -.- come on dgb.

p-edit yeah yeah i agree.

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that is fucking bullshit mastin

bullshit in a goddamn handbasket

go read this shit again because i called out flubber for being town fucking immediately you lying sack of scum.

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also i dont give a shit what you think about why i think dgb is town. i think she's town for her role. that's the truth. just because you don't agree that she should be townread for that, well that is YOUR fucking problem, not mine. like what the fuck

such garbage. and for the record, your lack of hesitance on this, your complete and utter lack of humility despite this being 100% my towngame is EXACTLY WHY YOU ARE SCUM. even in redemption there was a waffle. there was hesitance. there was uncertainty. there was that total self-demolition of paranoia of what would happen if you were wrong.

all of this is totally fucking absent here. and i know we're town. i know we're flipping soon. and i know what you will look like when it happens. and you know what, mastin? i dont give a goddamn fuck because town you would be able to read me better.

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"The push on DGB (by people who are not ETL) is scummy but ETL (who is not doing this scummy thing I think is scummy) is still scum (because reversing now would be suicide)."

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"Oh yeah also here is a totally irrelevant reason why I'm going to continue not contributing jack shit to the game other than scumtunnelling on someone because if I do anything else the rest of the players will figure out that I'm really just a fucking scumbag in sheep's clothing."

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does it matter? we are all locked in to voting only dgb or konothor

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ok. when we die, the day will not end and we will flip right then and there. the vote count will NOT reset after our death.

pedit post

Why do you die?

I've already stated we will not be claiming anything further about our role until the start of D2.

Also you said you don't read when you replace in when you replaced into Reboot. You've told me as much over site chat. And I'm pretty sure you said the same thing in Redemption.

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blahblahblah

blahblah

i am going to play minecraft.

also because i said so and i dont gambit.

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I'm on my phone at work. I'd love to, but I've gotta finish the pile of shit sthar8 left for me.

I WAS TALKING


TO TSO


YOU BUTT NUGGET.

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I'm waiting on a response. And you can wait until every player has posted.

I already said that was the plan? the least you can do is support me.

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wth drugs are you taking. why are acting like the things I say to tso I am saying to you?

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Once a day is reasonable. Demanding more is not.

That's all I'm asking for.

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LMFAO

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good thing I stil die of you're scum. I just won't actually get the result lol

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I'm at the salon. later.

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Why do you not wanna lynch mastin? I am voting mastin.

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I still think Mastin is a mislynch, but I think we need Mastin out of here to actually get DL playing better.

wtf is this shit

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it won't take longer than 10 hours

(expired on 2015-02-23 23:45:00)

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Yes hello.

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or... whoever. I forgot what was happening in here. LC and TSO are town. Those are my constants. Now to make the rest fit.

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I think mastin and ETL are scum buddies this game. No joke.

You cannot be serious with this.

You know how I said the guys on FF sound to me?

This is how you are sounding right now.

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Well prove me wrong and lynch me.

Now you're baiting me? I don't want to lynch you.

Why are you being.. dumb?

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LC, TSO: I'm not talking to anyone else. I don't have the patience. Let's work out the game and figure out who to lynch today please.

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It's either ETL and LC or ETL and Mastin

Lynching scum is surely better than lynching you in trade. So put your vote where your mouth is.

p-edit: k. I wanna hash things with LC to refresh my memory as well. I'll vote whoever the two of you say.

p-edit: LC - I have had doubts about both of them.

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First because mastin seemed to actually have some sense in her head in her last post, listing out other possibilities in a way that looked like she was trying to work the game.

Second because Varsoon's OMGUSy reactions here remind me really sharply of Reboot and that other game. Catbug game.

p-edit: Because you are playing with people who actually analyze theory.

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Kaboose, we're on the MYLO track with a conftown, you're never getting lynched. Live with it.

Who is the conftown?

TSO, functionally flubber, and at some point possibly me.

You are mod-conf'd for me. Which means TSO might as well be.

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I feel like we really need to get this right TODAY, LC.

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Please just stop that, Kaboose. It's really aggravating. I give you common sense and you give me a stock phrase; you've put on the blinders. it's like talking to a brick wall. I know you know what that's like, so just... don't.

I'm a 1-shot weak cop. I copped LC today and received the result of Town. So he is mod-confirmed, and no one else is.

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kaboose you are the only one saying anyone should listen to me. I said I would be sheeping LC today.

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like, I said on D1 that I would -definitely die- today. I did that on purpose.... why would scum nk somebody they think they can get a free town death on anyway? I needed to survive long enough to use my ability. I did. so if you don't believe me, then lynch me. I will flip town weak day cop, you will then go "oh my bad" and LC will prob die as the conf town.

so.... really idgaf what you decide to do. I have done my part and given you a confirmed townie.

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LC can you do your little scenario thing where you work out the possibilities based on different facts?

p-edit: it's in our claim post, but we were not allowed to use it on D1.

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It doesn't matter. You are acting how Flubber was acting on D1. Complete and total blinders. Nothing anyone says to you is going to get through until you figure it out yourself.

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mastin2 - 1 (Drunken Lies, Kaboose)

1 vote? Is this a mistake?

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How does jailkeeping me clear me?

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It doesn't matter. You are acting how Flubber was acting on D1. Complete and total blinders. Nothing anyone says to you is going to get through until you figure it out yourself.

I'm voting for your lynch target. Chill out.

why do you assume this is about who you suspect or who you are voting?? this is about your conf bias and inability to recognize it. that is damaging. I don't want a team with people who aren't willing to think.

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Are you kidding me, Kaboose?

Explain why I would be scum. Explain it in terms of the information we currently have and the claims and actions that have been given.

Go on. I'll wait.

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wow.

And yet you expect me to say more than "You're wrong"?

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This is what I'm fucking talking about.

You aren't even trying.

"gut"

Give me a fucking break Kaboose. How dare you criticize me when you can't be fucked to put in a bit of effort?

p-edit: You realize that you're only reason for me to be scum is that I don't want to lynch someone I think is town.... right? And you listed it 4 times.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Just stop talking.

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jailkeeping ETL through the night so she can get another investigation off tomorrow?

YOU AREN'T EVEN READING THE GAME.

GO READ MY CLAIM POST.

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I mean if we do that, and ETL dies, we know LC is town, and we know the jailkeeper lied about being jail keeper.

How the fuck does this prove JK didn't JK?

Please explain.

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Like, you have very obvious flaws in your understanding of the roles and claims already made.

I claimed 1-shot weak daycop. That means I don't get a fucking cop tomorrow.

Varsoon claimed he jailkept me last night.

Last NIGHT.

One is a NIGHT action, that blocks NIGHT actions.
The other is a DAY action, that occurs during the DAY.

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What is Deus Ex Machina?

Something that happens that would save the day.

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They are making somewhat of a joke. LC claimed "very powerful protective role".

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You're missing the claim of what TSO's invention was, which was a 1-shot commute.

LC used the commute last night, which is the most likely explanation for the failure of Flubber's action.

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LC had some good comments on why the way he claimed and why the claim itself makes Flubber town.

I was already townreading him, and still am, even more so now. He's an easy person for me to read.

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How is it fair to anyone if LC was able to receive and use a gift on the same night? How could the actions resolve properly if Flubber had sent the gift and was then jailkept meaning they actually didin't send a gift because they would have been roleblocked? Surely it couldn't have resolved that way.

I was under the impression the invention had to be sent during the day or during twilight, which is what TSO said he did, in which case it would be unblockable unless mafia had a day blocker, which I'm pretty sure they do not or it would have been used on me today, and it wasn't.

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I was under the impression the invention had to be sent during the day or during twilight, which is what TSO said he did,

TSO

can you confirm or give clearer information about this?

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I knew what you meant, boozer.

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Now you're cooking with gas.

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I know it's too late to care now but ETL you should have claimed after everyone else. Aesthetic really is a great thing to claim. What did you think of the supposed bread crumbs mastin sprinkled every where?

I wanted to claim immediately in our first post. There was too much room for people to doubt the claim, distract, and derail discussion. I wanted to lay it all out there and go from there because that's the best way to work together.

Mastin is probably ascetic. The claim and the role itself is neither damning nor clearing, though I do believe it's more likely a scum role given what we have, what has been claimed and what Thor was.

There are a few things that bother me about mastin. One being her last post of the day which I mentioned to LC. Another being the fact that I don't understand why Anti would make half the scum team totally immune to any of the things the town would need to use to catch them in the first place. Like, my role - that means, basically, I have one shot in 7 (or 8 due to no lynch) to actually hit scum - not 2 in 7 or 8, which makes it even weaker than it already is.

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The last bit is a pretty strong hesitation for me, tbh.

I'm fairly certain at this point that we do not have a vig, which means ascetic is way over powered for scum. But for town? Not so much.

I'm heavily leaning towards switching to Varsoon, but I really want to see what LC is doing.

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And, if mastin is town, then DGB becomes far more likely to be scum as well.

Which reminds me, I keep asking LC and TSO to flesh out the argument they made earlier about DGB playing it the way scum would need to play it, and I get ignored.

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I'm also fucking tired of waiting for DGB to actually post and/or play the game. It's downright rude to lurk this way.

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UNVOTE:

Think about what I said regarding the balance of the ascetic role for a little bit. I'd like to see what LC has to say about it as well.

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Also I'd like mastin not to replace out. Please. There's no need.

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Are we no-lynching then....? What are we doing

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LC don't run away. Please read and respond to my posts. I'm leaning on you and you are letting me faceplant.

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Goddammit Jingle can you read my posts ffs

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Alright.

VOTE: mastin

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ok we are at 5/1. if we mislynch today and lose one tonight we go into 4p LYLO tomorrow. so, ok.

I think it's dgb or varsoon. this is winnable!

tso thoughts? I'm assuming you still want to lynch varsoon? did you read isos or reread the game?

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DGB becomes town

I am confused on this. In my re-read, especially of mastin's ISO, DGB becomes a very strong candidate.

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Jailkept ETL again.
No way the slot is scum now.

Why did you jailkeep ETL?

Yeah this is a pretty damn good question, considering if you really believed I was town, you should have protected LC as he was the confirmed townie.

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No, I'm saying you blocked me, so LC didn't get the Commute, and shot LC.

How would that work? You told us your night action happens during twilight, so it would have gotten to LC.

Yeah but if they decided to use their ability they would not have been able to commute at the same time. Commuting takes the player out of the game, which means they are unable to affect it with their own role as well as escaping actions targeting them.

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So we have a flipped Bodyguard
flipped Investigate JOAT,
Claimed Commute,
Claimed Jailkeep (which I can confirm to myself),
Claimed Inventor (that can grant Bulletproof?).

If you want to talk balance, I don't know that scum aesthetic really counters those out.
:l

No.

Flipped BG
Flipped JOAT
Flipped Ascetic

Claimed Inventor (gives 1-shot commuter)
Claimed JK
Claimed Hated (neg utility)
Claimed Gladiator (neg utility)
Claimed 1-shot daycop (used)
Claimed 1-shot friendly neighbor (used)

I believe that's everything.

TSO - if LC wanted to use his ability, he would have had to decide NOT to use the commute. I don't think you are thinking about this critically. I really think DGB is the move today. Just think about it and please read through mastin's ISO.

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Ok. I did read through every player's ISO (except LC since they were conftown). I have some notes on it at home, so I'll share those as soon as I finish work, and TSO I really want to talk this through with you. I really think it's DGB. If you could look through the ISOs and think about how mastin treats his buddies, I would appreciate it.

It IS between Varsoon and DGB, and no one else. Lynching town today still means we can win tomorrow, but there are other things in play here.

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There is another option but let's talk about DGB first.

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I still think DGB is town based on Thor being NK on N1.

This is a ridiculous WIFOM guess about a single possible scum motivation for the NK and in no way clears DGB whatsoever. Stop this.

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DGB is a Gladiator. I was blocked last night.

Yes and I was asking both you and LC to explain what you meant when you said that if she was scum, she played it correctly.

Now. Explain how this completely clears DGB versus town having their own blocking ability? Paired with ascetic/gladiator, it balances quite beautifully.

You also need to realize that commute resolves before anything else, see wiki entry Natural Action Resolution.

Have you re-read the game/read ISOs?

p-edit: JOAT with gladiator?

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Also, I don't remember if you were in Reboot or Sabotage, but you should really go check Varsoon's ISO there.

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I mean clearly there's still some pieces left to this puzzle, why can't I have my gut feeling on what scum did on N1 as a way to feel in my heart that DGB is town?

I'm not saying you can't. I'm saying just to put it in perspective.

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Is there any detriment to just powerlynching DGB/Varsoon?

Only if both are town. I fully believe you and flubber are both town and unless Kaboose is lying out of his ass, I do not see this as a failing plan.

In any case, if Kaboose IS lying, then fuck it, he deserves the win.

p-edit: Yeah I saw the same thing in both ISOs. The only thing holding me back on Varsoon is his reactions to being voted.

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I am fine with either to be honest. I have a plan in mind and I think it's a good one. The only way I see this totally fucking us over is if both DGB and Varsoon are town.

Now, to talk about the other option.

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Just to reiterate..

Plan A:

Lynch either Varsoon or DGB today. Town flip today means lynch the other tomorrow for a best-guess-possibility win. This assumes everyone else - Kaboose, TSO, Flubber - are absolutely town.

Plan B:

No lynch today.

Varsoon JKs me tonight, assuming he is actually a town JK. I die, you lynch Varsoon because he's scum.

Tomorrow is 4/1 assuming NK happens. That's 2 to lynch Kaboose if he is still hated, and with 1 scum down, no danger of scum quicklynching.

I investigate DGB because I'm a weak EVEN-DAY cop (not 1-shot).

If you don't believe me, then you must believe that I am mafia, which would make Varsoon a real town JK, who claims to have JK'd me last night, and who will JK me tonight. A quick read-through of my ISO regarding our claim will also make a lot more sense if you do believe me.

Even if I die tomorrow in the investigation, we'll be 3/1 and you'll have a confirmed scum to lynch.

Worst case scenario:

We lynch someone (DGB/Varsoon) today who turns out to be town. We lose one tonight. Tomorrow I investigate the other one and live, confirming them as town. Then we have to decide in 4p LYLO who is the lying scum. This is like, really the worst thing that could happen to us.

Thoughts?

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not game related, but it's like nails on a chalkboard. you aren't the only one who does it but omg it is driving me crazy

aesthetic:

visually appealing, artful, tasteful, beautiful

ascetic:

self-discipline/abstinence, or in this case, a person who roleblocks non-killing actions targeting them.

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XD

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I'm town.

Do whatever.

So, you have no intention of actually contributing any reads or ideas whatsoever to this game?

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What's the legit possibility there's 2 remaining mafia right now?

Zero.

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Sooo it's unlikely?

lol... sometimes I wonder if you just fuck with me to fuck with me.

Spoiler: BAH

♥ send us your happy thoughts LC.

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VOTE: No Lynch

Fingers crossed this works out the way I want it to and I'm not forgetting some other outcome I haven't thought of.

Jingle this is why I need you. And why I asked you to do your EV thing. I wish you had. I'm not good at doing this by myself.

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my pants are soaking wet and stuck to my leg

this is just great

the toilet is like 10 feet away dude...

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bodyguard protects another and dies in their place if they are targeted for a kill iirc

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We have 6 alive and 3 votes for NL at the moment, right?

TSO - just waiting on you to get back to us to see if you could come up with any other scenarios where we could possibly fail in this.

Then it's one more vote to hammer it and get this show on the road.

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ok. you said that and I'm sorry to hear that, really.

but this isn't any different from before and if this is a problem, it's better to get a replacement.

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ok.

I hope what I said didn't come off as cold. I really do sympathize and wish the best for your family.

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I am going to investigate DGB.

Sending in now.

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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULFAKDHFLAKDHJFLAKSHJFLAKHJDFLKAHJDLFKA SHES FUCKING TOWN.

that leaves varsoon, kaboose, flubber.

i fucking dont fucking

i hate this game right now.

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I JK'd ETL.
I like when plans work.
I just kinda wish ETL would've fuckin' cleared me instead of DGB.
'cus now I have to actually -play-.

yes but if you are town then we would just lynch dgb and that would have been game.

i dont fucking know what the fuck to do and i'd seriously be

thisclose

to giving up if it wasn't fuckin lylo.

goddammit LC why didn't you fucking commute you jerks

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i hate mafia.

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i want a paragraph about your top suspect - why they are your suspect and why the others aren't.

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Did we ever get TSO saying flat out that he got a friendly neighbor hit from Flubber?

What LC said was "someone proved themselves as town to me" and asked that person to identify themselves but not how they confirmed themselves to LC.

Flubber volunteered that it might have been him, since no one else (including TSO) had said anything and everyone had posted. However, Flubber said he was told specifically by the mod that his action (Friendly Neighbor) had failed.

TSO then piped up about his ability, which was the commute inventor, and LC confirmed that they received it in twilight, and then used it that night.

The commute explains the failed FN if Flubber is telling the truth.

And I don't know. I thought it was game over but I guess we are 4/1 which means if we lynch wrong and lose one, we go into 3p LYLO tomorrow, which isn't that terrible I guess.

I feel better about the situation now. I thought today was 4p LYLO.

I want to hear from Flubber, Kaboose and DGB.

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i want a paragraph about your top suspect - why they are your suspect and why the others aren't.

this was directed at everyone, btw.

pedit - flubber it takes two to lynch him and there is only one scum left.

pe2 -

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LC didn't confirm Flubber. He confirmed TSO.

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i'm really sick and tired of being fucking wrong. jsyk.

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Do you think scum will nk if we nl? I still have my fn shot

um what. why didn't you use it last night you derp...

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also answer my damn question please.

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Do you think scum will nk if we nl? I still have my fn shot

um what. why didn't you use it last night you derp...

Do you not believe my claim?

I asked you why you didn't use it last night...?

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um.. not anymore I don't.. no.

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i want a paragraph about your top suspect - why they are your suspect and why the others aren't.

this was directed at everyone, btw.

pedit - flubber it takes two to lynch him and there is only one scum left.

pe2 -

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???

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so you're unwilling to cooperate or contribute?

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I have no idea what you are talking about. outed?

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ok.... you stil aren't answering my question.

I don't give a shit if you think there wasn't anyone worth sending it to because as town you should earlier that clearing yourself makes the game easier so the fact that you didn't makes zero sense.

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earlier = realize

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Who should I have visited yesterday and why

fucking.... anyone??????

like, oh i dunno, kaboose who is target number never for scum if his claim is real.

or varsoon?

like.. anyone would have worked but instead you chose to target .... no one.

and then... lol... I'm your number one suspect? Yet you conveniently dodged my questioning of your suspects until now? Cmon man.

p-edit: um.. yes it confirms YOU.

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So unless there is some reason that I haven't figured out that you didn't want to be confirmed, then I'm calling bullshit.

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Ok so the town thinking here is... instead of just taking a chance and hoping for the best, you....


do nothing...

and ENSURE that the next day isn't made easier by a possible confirm?

I don't get that thought process AT ALL.

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what is there to cc??? everyone has claimed already. it's like you're just saying shit you think sounds good whether it makes sense or not. don't do that.

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and dgb doesn't have to be here. she's confirmed town and wasn't going to give us anything game breaking anyway.

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*sigh*

you exhaust me.

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I have no idea. I was sure about dgb or varsoon but I'm not anymore.

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yes. that's why I asked.

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and so far, only varsoon obliged.

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Thinking....

Waiting....

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Was dgb conftown via anything other than the gladiate?

Yes. My role.