Micro 444 molliegeddon [OVER]

[T S O]

So, to clarify, you are a Town Jailkeeper - yet scum also have a Jailkeeper/Roleblocker.

Doesn't this seem like very poor balance to you?

[T S O]

No, I'm saying you blocked me, so LC didn't get the Commute, and shot LC.

How would that work? You told us your night action happens during twilight, so it would have gotten to LC.

I sent my action in twilight the first time. I sent it at night the second time. It activates during night, not twilight.

[T S O]

I am 95% sure Varsoon's scum, but feel free to check every avenue before you pursue the wide one.

[Varsoon]

You're just going to write off literally anything I write anyway. You're so goddamn confbiased it's impossible to make sense to you.

I'm not playing dumb, I'm trying to comprehend what the hell is going through your mind.

@Kaboose: Because I feel like ETL is most valuable in terms of actual play rather than imagined role bullshit. Furthermore, I wanted to be sure I could trust ETL and actually clear them rather than the semi-clear I had the other night. I figured that if scum was going to make a kill, it'd be on someone with a strong town-voice and they might also kill ETL on the basis that it's unlikely to protect the same target night after night.

P-EDIT: I don'y understand where you're getting the idea that scum also has a jailkeeper/roleblocker. There's plenty of ways your role, and even mine, could have failed.
Poor balance would be a setup where a massclaim instantly incriminates EXACTLY the number of people town can get away with lynching and not losing. Oh wait! That's what's been proposed!

[Varsoon]

Regardless, I'm exasperated and I need time to mull over the game anyway.
Bottom line: You used your commute on Lying Cat, right?

I've got class to attend, but I should be around tonight.

[Varsoon]

So we have a flipped Bodyguard
flipped Investigate JOAT,
Claimed Commute,
Claimed Jailkeep (which I can confirm to myself),
Claimed Inventor (that can grant Bulletproof?).

If you want to talk balance, I don't know that scum aesthetic really counters those out.
:l

[Varsoon]

Especially considering we've had consistent deaths each night.
Do you think maybe the scum is strongman, just to fuck with us?

Eeeh
I'll be back in a few hours.

[Kaboose]

DrippingGoofball - Gladiadtor(used)
Varsoon - Jail Keeper
EspeciallyTheLies - One Shot Weak Cop(used)
Kaboose - Hated
T S O - Inventor
Flubbernugget - Neighbor(used)

ETL is town because if Varsoon is town then it clears her. If Varsoon is lying and is scum then ETL can't be scum because there's only one other scum.

TSO wouldn't be giving out inventions to town people as scum, right?

Flubber is town because I trust LC's opinion on that.

I'm town.

So either DGB or Varsoon.

I still think DGB is town based on Thor being NK on N1.

So

VOTE: Varsoon

[Varsoon]

TSO wouldn't be giving out inventions to town people as scum, right?
Flubber is town because I trust LC's opinion on that.
I still think DGB is town based on Thor being NK on N1.

Don't see how these things clear these people:
1. Scum can get town-oriented roles. Happens all the time. Same goes for town getting scum-oriented roles.
2. LC could easily be wrong. But I do side on you here, LC's defense of Flubber feels well informed and legit, but I won't let it rule Flubber as cleared.
3. Scum can kill anyone. A kill that makes you clear a player is the best kind of kill if that player is scum.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

DGB becomes town

I am confused on this. In my re-read, especially of mastin's ISO, DGB becomes a very strong candidate.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Jailkept ETL again.
No way the slot is scum now.

Why did you jailkeep ETL?

Yeah this is a pretty damn good question, considering if you really believed I was town, you should have protected LC as he was the confirmed townie.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

No, I'm saying you blocked me, so LC didn't get the Commute, and shot LC.

How would that work? You told us your night action happens during twilight, so it would have gotten to LC.

Yeah but if they decided to use their ability they would not have been able to commute at the same time. Commuting takes the player out of the game, which means they are unable to affect it with their own role as well as escaping actions targeting them.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

So we have a flipped Bodyguard
flipped Investigate JOAT,
Claimed Commute,
Claimed Jailkeep (which I can confirm to myself),
Claimed Inventor (that can grant Bulletproof?).

If you want to talk balance, I don't know that scum aesthetic really counters those out.
:l

No.

Flipped BG
Flipped JOAT
Flipped Ascetic

Claimed Inventor (gives 1-shot commuter)
Claimed JK
Claimed Hated (neg utility)
Claimed Gladiator (neg utility)
Claimed 1-shot daycop (used)
Claimed 1-shot friendly neighbor (used)

I believe that's everything.

TSO - if LC wanted to use his ability, he would have had to decide NOT to use the commute. I don't think you are thinking about this critically. I really think DGB is the move today. Just think about it and please read through mastin's ISO.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Ok. I did read through every player's ISO (except LC since they were conftown). I have some notes on it at home, so I'll share those as soon as I finish work, and TSO I really want to talk this through with you. I really think it's DGB. If you could look through the ISOs and think about how mastin treats his buddies, I would appreciate it.

It IS between Varsoon and DGB, and no one else. Lynching town today still means we can win tomorrow, but there are other things in play here.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

There is another option but let's talk about DGB first.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I still think DGB is town based on Thor being NK on N1.

This is a ridiculous WIFOM guess about a single possible scum motivation for the NK and in no way clears DGB whatsoever. Stop this.

[T S O]

DGB is a Gladiator. I was blocked last night.

[T S O]

Are you going for a JOAT-with-Gladiator, ETL?

[T S O]

Oh, I see what you're saying - LC didn't use the commute.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

DGB is a Gladiator. I was blocked last night.

Yes and I was asking both you and LC to explain what you meant when you said that if she was scum, she played it correctly.

Now. Explain how this completely clears DGB versus town having their own blocking ability? Paired with ascetic/gladiator, it balances quite beautifully.

You also need to realize that commute resolves before anything else, see wiki entry Natural Action Resolution.

Have you re-read the game/read ISOs?

p-edit: JOAT with gladiator?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Also, I don't remember if you were in Reboot or Sabotage, but you should really go check Varsoon's ISO there.

[Kaboose]

I mean clearly there's still some pieces left to this puzzle, why can't I have my gut feeling on what scum did on N1 as a way to feel in my heart that DGB is town?

[T S O]

I was in neither Sabotage nor Reboot.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I mean clearly there's still some pieces left to this puzzle, why can't I have my gut feeling on what scum did on N1 as a way to feel in my heart that DGB is town?

I'm not saying you can't. I'm saying just to put it in perspective.

[T S O]

Whether Varsoon is town or scum, ETL is town, bar Strongman.