Micro 465: Molla's New Roles Mafia - GAME OVER

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VOTE: hi im Yakko

[Taly]

Because I don't know who either of the people he finds my name to be a mash up of are.

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, from the CBS show Survivor.

Are you going to fluff the entire game?

Pot, meet Kettle.

VOTE: House

I don't fluff, I troll.

There's a difference.

Difference in the respect that they are exactly the same thing? Well, in the sense that they accomplish a similar event.

Votes for the mod are invalid you anarchists.

VOTE: BBMolla
VOTE: BBMolla
VOTE: BBMolla
VOTE: BBMolla
VOTE: BBMolla

Could you do something productive? RVS is over for some people here.

37 >>> What is with the hostility here?

[Taly]

Could you do something productive? RVS is over for some people here.

Yes! I could!

Good, how about you start by:

1) Giving your thoughts on McMennos response to House near the end of Page 2.
2) Stop fluff-posting. I get we're in here for fun, but you've posted 10 times in this thread - and have only made 1 legitimate to show for it.

What is with the hostility here?

wwe're like good cop bad cop but bad cop was too bad for good cops likings z

OK, we'll see how your heads play in this game. I just think it's cleaner if you had a less volatile reaction. However, I don't believe scum would say that out of the gate(A reason why I am liking the McMenno push, but I want an answer from him). So I am thinking you're being genuine in your response to me for the most part. Very slight town lean.

54 and 55

So... You voted for yourself and unvoted? What are we to see from this? Are you town who is trying to prove that they are for self-deprecating attitude, or are you scum trying to throw the town off?

Eh, not enough to form an accurate read on you - von.

61 >>> What have you gained from saulres' 60 about your post then? If your original post was to get discussion and info. then whatever peoples reactions were are to your benefit.

[Taly]

Could you do something productive? RVS is over for some people here.

Yes! I could!

Good, how about you start by:

1) Giving your thoughts on McMennos response to House near the end of Page 2.
2) Stop fluff-posting. I get we're in here for fun, but you've posted 10 times in this thread - and have only made 1 legitimate to show for it.

Have you seen this catchup post yet? Why are you ignoring me?

I do not understand why people are voting McMennos at all.


And volflare is town, anyone considering him scum for the self voting schticks should back the fuck out into their--

oh wait I'm not reck.

so just you're wrong

So you're posting a youtube link as your catchup post? Eh...?

Hmmm, you did answer about McMenno. You aren't really going to stop about the posting...

Also, I think von is more likely town, but I'm unsure yet.

Why do you not understand the McMenno votes?

[Taly]

This is a quick check-in.

Seriously not impressed with shos at the moment, haven't seen much good. 97 - I feel like shos is reducing the significance of the voting against McMenno, but I don't understand why. I agree, it seems a bit scummy.

I'm hesitant to unvote yakko, since this my vote is still RVS - but his entrance was a little weird.

1) Yakko, what do you think about McMeno and the wagon on him?
2) What do you think about how shos is behaving?

[Taly]

This is a quick check-in.

Seriously not impressed with shos at the moment, haven't seen much good. 97 - I feel like shos is reducing the significance of the voting against McMenno, but I don't understand why. I agree, it seems a bit scummy.

I'm hesitant to unvote yakko, since this my vote is still RVS - but his entrance was a little weird.

1) Yakko, what do you think about McMeno and the wagon on him?
2) What do you think about how shos is behaving?

I like what shos has been saying. And think I mentioned it but i didn't know what to think. rn tho in terms of the MM wagon I think him better for it? (did that make sense?). I am having a hard time seeing what others are seeing in MM I don't think his response to house was that scummy if at all. I think people moved out of rvs and mcmenno might still have been in rvs mode. That's my take on it anyway. Not that it's bad took us out of rvs fairly quickly.

OK, thanks for the answers. Finally cooperation

UNVOTE: hi im Yakko >> I can clearly understand your thinking here, so I don't have a reason to suspect you for now.

I don't entirely understand the McMenno push, but I don't know about shos. His behavior in the first few pages seemed a bit frivolous, regarding towards people who were out of RVS mode - which pinged me. But posts like 119 and 124 seem like he's gauging for intell, I think he may be more likely to be town than scum - since he's stepping up his game.

In case I missed something, what answers are you looking for - shos?

Also Yakko,

rn tho in terms of the MM wagon I think him better for it? (did that make sense?).

>> Wait, could you clarify what this means?

[Taly]

I don't know about shos. His behavior in the first few pages seemed a bit frivolous

I've had shos in several of the games I've run. IIRC, he likes to goof around a lot in the beginning but that's not alignment-indicative. Use the stuff that looks real to judge his alignment.

House was jerking around in the beginning too, he just stopped before shos did. How do you feel about House?

pedit

Mod:

You say not Normal, but I'm assuming you don't mean Bastard. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thx.

eh... My experience with House is a bit all over the place, in previous games. We 1v1ed each other in 1 game,

both of us were town

. We didn't 1v1 each other in another, but he was scum and I was 3p SK in a specialized setting.

But we considered each other town in that

...

Spoiler: End Result of Game

I won and killed everyone. It was my first completed game on this site.

Also, House bussed his partner D1 in that game

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I don't want to make a definite read on House right now, but if I had to look at his play so far - it doesn't look bad, since he helped to get us out of RVS, and his push on shos - but of course, I don't like fluff-posting in general, unless it had a defined purpose, like RVS. But that seems a bit normal for him... I'll raise a read on him when I see something noteworthy that I'm certain of.

@Taly what was awkward about my enterance?

It was mostly a gut. Probably because you started the game in 84. Which was after RVS, and in Page 4. It could mean nothing, but the late beginning seems unusual.

Also, in that post - you said most things so far were fluff/meta stuff. What would you say contributed to move the game further at that time?

[Taly]

I do feel that 164 is townie from MoP.

McMenno needs to say something about his wagon.

159 and 161 - This irks me a bit. What does this mean as in "which one? there are so many..." Am I missing context here?

Also, saul - so what was the point of you voting for McMenno?

P-Edit

Can you provide quotes or links to where McMenno's anti-town play?

[Taly]

Well for starters, (this isn't a prodge) - but I want to get a few thoughts in this thread before I go with my family for errands and etc.

I'm a bit surprised nobody followed me up on 150 Specifically Saul on my read. And also seeing if yakko had anything to say about my response to his question.

I feel like House+Shos are likely town throwing hands. I feel like they're both trying to get the game moving but they appear to be unhappy with the other.

Shos, what was the vote on House about, in what way did he overreact? What real posts have you made, that House has demonized?

Also Saul, 201 - I would believe shos had an RVS vote on House if shos didn't have any explainable reason. Otherwise, I want to hear what prompted him. Speaking of nonserious posts, House seems to be doing a fair bit of them as well, but he has made some pushes to go along with some substance.

[Taly]

I'm sorry guys, I've been busy with school and locking my shit up the past day or 2, Sophomores and Seniors don't have class tomorrow due to Juniors testing - so I'll catch up and put in my bit on the current situation and replying to people.

[Taly]

Seriously?

@Mod

: Can we please get prods on BRantz and Yakko? And in two hours, on Made With People?

I'm a bit surprised nobody followed me up on 150 Specifically Saul on my read.

I didn't respond because you didn't give anything to respond to. I asked for a read, you gave me irrelevant history, and then you said "I'll raise a read on him when I see something noteworthy that I'm certain of" so there was nothing to use.

Re: shos 215. Lemme get this straight. When someone gives a joking answer to you, they're throwing mud at you and scum? But when you do it it's okay?

Not exactly fond of how you say I gave you irrelevant history, but I'm leaning closer to slight town-House right now. His scum play would be less frivolous, and more planned. He has done a push on Shos and McMenno, so that is a good sign. House also seems to strike nerves as town, and he seems to be doing that.

Also, where is this shos slinging mud? I don't find the linked posts to be that much in mud slinging?

No need saul. Scum waa found.

And... who was scum?

Taly also not voting.

Taly, can you please reconcile these two statements for me?

I am liking the McMenno push

and

I don't entirely understand the McMenno push,

I liked the push on McMenno originally, it seemed to progress the game. I saw why people didn't want to jump on the wagon later, and then I felt I might have missed something, and wanted to give McMenno a chance to say something helpful. Which... I've yet to have seen.

Also

Votecount 1.06

McMenno - 3 - House, saulres, BRantz
saulres - 1 - McMenno,
BRantz - 1 - Made of People,
House - 1 - shos

Not Voting: vonflare, Taly, hi im Yakko,

Deadline: (expired on 2015-05-03 00:25:00)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Why does everyone on the McMenno wagon have at least 1 vote on them? I find this interesting. Could there be a connection?

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How is shos so scummy? Plus, what have you done so far this game?

we are prod now.

I don't even English.

what a clever pun.

Are you still in RVS? You probably are since you've done nothing to give major reads or pushes on the game, or even talk much about your own wagon. It doesn't matter if you're shit-town(which is possible, but I'm starting to lean that you could be scum). This is only stalling the game, if not helping scum.

VOTE: McMenno

maybe putting you at L-1 will make you do something. >_< Like claim? Say coherent sentences relevant to the game?

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276

Not trying to be rude, but are you going to scream out scum teams without moving your vote, or are you going to provide a case on your thinking with provided reasoning?

271

We do have very weird settings in this game... So, I feel like you may just be genuine?

How does anyone else feel about this claim?

Anything else? Why is BRantz scummy to you? I do think 152 is weird. But I don't see scum saying things like this... I'll have to see BRantz post more and then I'll probably ISO him.

[Taly]

278

Why don't you just start by trying?... You aren't helping by pointing out a scum read and then saying it sucks because you think you can't convince town.

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Yeah, I agree Saul. The ability itself doesn't seem to hold specific to an alignment, which is where I'm a bit unsure of McMenno still.

Not only that, I would have expected McMenno to claim an alignment along with his role, but meh.

[Taly]

I would have expected McMenno to claim an alignment along with his role

*blink*

*blink*

Um... What? Why? Isn't it obvious what alignment he'd claim?

Yeah, he would claim town. But the thing that is weird, is that he didn't claim town? He is at L-1, shouldn't he have made a connection between his ability and alignment? That would have given us more than just a "his ability isn't specific to an alignment, so we should wait to see if he is true." Asking him to claim wasn't just to see what he could do with his role-abilities, but to see how he would answer it.

I could be looking into it too much, but it catches me off guard where McMenno didn't say anything about his alignment. It could be he was trying to avoid saying something he shouldn't.

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Nice try, please provide a reason, or thought - if you think menno is scum, then give an intent and say how so.

[Taly]

FFS, I eat breakfast and this happens.

Why does shit go down when I'm partially unavailable D:<

Really dislike vonflares hammer, and his play D1. 311 >>> I'm going to trust House on this one, since I'm townreading him.

So Von may be confirmed-town if he's innocent?

Vonflare, please do something more constructive starting on D2...

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Who would use what in lylo? We aren't in lylo, yet....

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If BRantz was a brawler that got killed, reading his abilities, he probably set-up who the lynch candidates tomorrow.

So the likelihood of scum being in between MoP and Von seem quite likely.

Going to need to pump some ISOs on them, today is Friday so when I get home from school I'd have full ability to do just that.

However, I will say. The gambit Von did was risky only to the knowledge of killing town in the end, it slightly makes me suspicion of him.

A town only able to vote a vote that counts only on the person who has voted them? Eck... Ewwwwww.

But I'm not going to overlook MoP.

*Reads MoP wanting to NL*

Interesting, why would no lynching be easier?

[Taly]

because if vonflare is town then we lose

5 town, 2 scum
Lynch: 3 town, 2 scum
NK: 2 town, 2 scum

gg

If we take the chance and Vonflare is scum
5 town, 2 scum
4 town, 1 scum
3 town, 1 scum
Then probably a No Lynch anyways cause MYLO.

that's why

And in what universe is deliberately putting town in MYLO a good thing?

I'd rather lynch for hopefully catching scum, then not lynch and see a town player die next dayphase.

Also, I don't really understand why you're WIFOMing about Von, it is either him - or you, from how I'm seeing it.

[Taly]

Ah, I guess I misinterpreted what the ability said.

Is No Lynching possible in that case? Or is town literally fucked over?

[Taly]

So....

2 townies are about to die without us being able to doing anything, and scum can just NK another to secure their win?

Or am I reading this wrong?

[Taly]

So....

2 townies are about to die without us being able to doing anything, and scum can just NK another to secure their win?

Or am I reading this wrong?

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

MoP and Von CAN'T be both town if that is the case. Because then that'd just be a win for the scum right there.

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Ah yes, shos and Yakko should provide some content.

Speaking of Yakko, he's only made 8 posts in the game so far. O_o That was FIVE days ago. 237

@Mod, can you please prod Yakko?

Yakko just posted... Nevermind...

Shos and Yakko, what are your opinions of MoP and Von?

[Taly]

Mod, can we vote 2 people in this specific dayphase, or must we narrow it to just 1 that will be lynched?

I mean, I know House and MoP have already taken the initiative, but is it possible?

Plus, if we can lynch 2 people. It might not be the death of town. As my theory has stated, scum should have already been declared winners if we had to lynch 2 town right now. We'd catch scum at the expense of 2 other town dying, and we'll be at presumably 1 scum and 3 town tomorrow.

[Taly]

Mod, can we vote 2 people in this specific dayphase, or must we narrow it to just 1 that will be lynched?

Only {Made of People and vonflare} may be voted today.

I meant if it were possible that 1 person, can vote for 2 people at the same time in this day phase? Like what House and MoP did, are their votes eligible on both people they're voting for?

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OHHHH... Dots are connecting.

I feel so stupid, I'm just now realizing that that was what people were meaning earlier. XD

If we can't no lynch, if people are still going to die even if we piss away 13 days to get to the deadline, and if we truly can't just vote solely 1 person...

VOTE: vonflare and Made of People

I'm sincerely sorry, either/one/both of you are town. But there is truly no other point. I'm putting this at L-1.

MoP, I believe your claim. If you can still post next day and give us insight, then I would be very grateful for that. If you're actually town, then you must understand why my vote is being placed here.

[Taly]

Town doesn't lose if you choose to lynch someone that is actually scum?

[Taly]

Oh wait, since only 2 people can be voted to lynch - that overrules your ability?

[Taly]

Should we do something with our votes then?

We won't know if it is endgame until it is endgame. I feel like there's an alignment changing role in this or something, this game set-up is weird. I wonder if it is already broken. ._.

Sorry if I'm giving you, mod, (BBmolla) - an aneurysm suspecting this. XD

Also, I don't know how to feel about massclaiming. Eh. :/ I feel like provided that town survives this day, then scum could really fuck with us using that knowledge.

[Taly]

House, what do you think about massclaiming?

[Taly]

I'm trying to scavenge what fruitful conversation we can have today. I agree, and have said massclaiming wasn't a good idea, at the same time - we may be able to scumhunt, but inevitably - we have to lynch MoP and Von.

Whether or not they are truthful with their claims - I believe them more than not, but there is little else we can do for now. Saul is on VLA, I don't know what Yakko is doing, I haven't formed a definitive opinion on shos' recent posts, and I think the only thing we can do right now other than claim(which is a bad idea) - is to speculate who is possibly scum?

House, assuming you're being truthful with your claim this time - do you intend to shoot anyone tonight?

I feel like anyone dying at this point other than the 2 lynches we have right now, would likely be from scum trying to kill off as many townies as possible. This is also assuming that there is scum between MoP and Von because otherwise - the game is kind of broken, and town is doomed to lose.

[Taly]

@Von

From what I recall, you and MoP will still die at deadline?

House, assuming you're being truthful with your claim this time - do you intend to shoot anyone tonight?

I have three shots that can be taken consecutively, but don't have to be.

I plan on shooting two of the most likely scum and saving the third for tomorrow night, assuming I'm still alive.

Is there something you're waiting on before you feel alright to vote? I still stand by what I've said previously on this day.

[Taly]

But, I'm town. ._. My role doesn't involve killing anyone in any case.

It pinges me that shos is bargaining for someone to shoot himself, along with getting 2 other people to be killed at the same time. O_o...

Plus, if you're going to bargain who to kill - why are you saying not kill Saul? What exempts him from this? Even if you town read him - why would you want him to remain alive, and any other possible person not to?

This gives me a bad feeling.

Another thing - do you guys know right now, we're forced to kill 2 other people in this phase? Killing 2 or bargaining to kill 3 people right now in night phase - coupled with possible scum living to do what they want..

Honestly, this game is not going to continue tomorrow if people are going to use their shots.

[Taly]

well I didn't know he wasn't scumreading me, lol. of course you can keep me alive. after MoP dies I might figure out what my cop results mean, lol, if I'm still alive.

Since you say you're a cop, then how about you tell us what results you got? Even if the type of cop you are isn't normal - at least tell us who you targeted.

also I don't understand how it can bother you that I am setting myself to die lol. if I'm scum, I just die -_-;

Ok... What?

When has it ever been town-motivation for baiting themselves to be killed? Unless you have the weirdest new cop flavor ever, I don't know why you'd have incentive to do this. That literally is what kills town because people think their deaths would be something more than just reducing the amount of town players in a game that could work to find scum.

But... Scum would bait themselves because they'd have a partner with them (in this set-up, since no scum has yet to have been killed) - In this case, you say Saul shouldn't be killed, and you haven't even answered that question of mine. - This tells me that you may be working with another person right here if you think several people in this game should die - including yourself - but not 1 specific person?

I don't know your alignment, but if you're truly town - then you should stop baiting yourself for a kill, since the town is already at around 4 to 5 people, any other towns deaths at this point could cost the game.

[Taly]

thanks for the nickname, shos. I guess I realize what Saul was talking about when he mentioned mudslinging.

But why are you telling me what I should do?

Plus, are you scumclaiming? Because if you're town and you set to get yourself killed - you do realize there's a decent chance it will result in the loss of town, right? Specifically assuming we are killing 2 people this dayphase that claim town, scum would most likely take their NK tonight, and assuming House is being honest which I have some trust issues with that, he has enough shots to use to endgame.

So yeah, bargaining to get yourself killed is absolutely a scummy action in the circumstances we are in right now.

P-Edit

So shos, you don't think I'm scum?? I don't get what you're trying to say here.

[Taly]

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What the hell?

1)

What makes you think Yakko and I are scum? Another thing, do you know how RISKY play you're doing here - trying to bargain yourself to be killed, hoping 2 other people you aren't even SURE that is scum to be killed as well?

2)

You never even said I was scum, but apparently since Yakko is scummy, my death is going to help with everything?

3)

But now you came from "I should die, with X(Taly) and X(Yakko) player", to now saying "Don't kill me and X(Saul). We should survive."

Assuming we have 2 scum in this game, who is not to say you both are partnered?

4)

What makes you think Yakko is going to kill off Saul? Why would an ENDGAME TIE do anything for us? That's deliberately breaking the game and keeping town from doing what they should for their wincon.

5)

Plus, why are you assuming BOTH Von and MoP are town? If they're both town, then this game may just end for the town altogether before going into the night.

I... I don't even know what to say about this. Do you need me to tell you how anti-town this looks right now?

[Taly]

this is easy when scum don't read the game lol
if I get myself killed along with the entire scumteam, town wins. it's not hard to follow at all.

assuming the lynch is a 2x mislynch, after the lynch we have 5 people alive. scum will shoot one. so we need House to kill at least one scum. so why not just kill everyone who can be scum? I am very sure that Saul is town, so killing you and Yakko means win.

explain to me how I profit from being shot at when I'm scum. OF COURSE I think you are scum.

So...

1)

During the entire course of this game, you said I've looked really townie and my responses you've looked at so far have been really good. Now you're confident enough to say I'm scummy enough to be killed - supposedly since we're heading into mylo?

What kind of read progression is this? I can't even...

2)

OK, even if you DO lead to getting scum killed - why would it be any better that you were killed as well? You're still bargaining your death, only to kill some people you DON'T EVEN KNOW is confirmed scum?

3)

So now you're going to fucking insult me and say that I haven't been reading the game? I've been reading this game pretty clearly, it doesn't matter what your intentions are - what you're doing is extremely scummy.

4)

Why would you settle for an endgame tie? That doesn't do anything to help us right now because WE ARE TRYING TO CATCH SCUM.

5)

Shos, do you know that by assuming MoP and Von are both mislynches, that town is literally going to die tomorrow - unless House somehow kills the 2 scum? Newflash, I'm not fucking scum. I'm not ruling out Yakko, but if you think I'm scum - then you really need to look somewhere and stop degrading what I say to you by saying "READ THE GAME."

6)

you're townreading Saul? Why should it matter? Your town read on me is completely gone for no recalled reason, and now you're saying Saul should live no matter what? You're not even explaining yourself even AFTER I ASKED YOU A QUESTION.

Why is Saul exempt from being killed when you're bargaining EVERYONE else other than House to be kill tonight?

7)

Honestly, your defense on Saul can easily be interpreted as scum team working, because really - TOWN DOESN"T KNOW ANYONE ELSES ALIGNMENT.

- The fact that you're so confident that what your doing right now is good and will make the game TIE. Not for town to WIN.
- The idea that you mention you and 1 other specific person to NOT be killed

This just tells me you're scum trying to save you and your partner.

Actually, maybe that is what has happened Saul went VLA and I may be going far to say that was planned - but I've been in games where scum has done I before.

[Taly]

1)

439 You said my 259 was really good. Does that mean you're saying I'm scummy because I'm so townie? I don't get it, you convey the idea that my play so far is really nice and now you're saying I'm scum and I should be killed?

2)

Well, I am town. ._. You'll realize that when your actions now will lead to town losing.

3)

So.. since I'm both of those - No. Offense WAS TAKEN because offense WAS MEANT. Spamming "lol" doesn't make you sound anymore light-hearted. It just breeds apathy and a rude atmosphere surrounding your insults already.

4)

Sorry, I even ISOed House. I don't see anywhere where he says he couldn't do any more or any less than 3 shots. Please stop insulting my ability to read and quote/link where you found this.

5)

I'm not scum.... -_- So how about you read what I've said so far and re-think your position.

6)

I know I haven't had the greatest post count here, but it certainly has content inside of it. Stop minimizing everything I've done/said. That just makes you appear even scummier.

You may have not said you townread me upfront - but why are you now saying I'm scummy all of a sudden - even when you've given me credit for posts that have really helped the game? You're contradicting yourself...

7)

............

If you think I'm so scummy, then why the FUCK are you not doing anything to end this day? Where's your vote? You're not going to listen to my arguments, you're not even trying, you've only insulted me whenever I've made an arguments against you, and now you're degrading my play saying it is useless?

From what I've seen, we've already established our scum reads, and mostly how the night is going to go. So why do you just keep egging this on? You're deliberately throwing mud, and on top of that - striking peoples nerves.

Ugh. When you see me post-game that I'm town, and I was being honest. I'm sure you'd be happy... if you were scum.

If you were town? I don't even know how you're going to help the game by remaining alive provided we have another day.

Also, here's a crumb. I don't see myself living to endgame anyway.

My role - at night - I am allowed to inform people on what my role is.

Please tell me how this is a scum role.

[Taly]

Taly, I'm going to ask you to tell shos what role you are tonight in order to demonstrate your ability directly to him.

I still have my doubts about him and want to see his reaction to your role.

I was planning on targeting him to know the role anyway. I'm pretty fast to put in my action during night phases. XD...

[Taly]

Spoiler: *Taly Goes Into Rant Mode About "READ THE GAME!"*

I don't want to sound bitchy, but why is it such a damn problem for people to repeat themselves even a little bit? Obviously if I asked a question that was already asked but not directly on answering to me - I didn't see the response to what I wanted to know. It's not a fucking crime to refer to another quote or line and repeat yourself just once or twice so the other person knows what you're talking about. Wow, the last 3 games I've played someone has been told to read the game when they've asked sensible questions and now people are screaming at me for not reading the game just when I'm putting out my opinion and asking an easily referred to or simple question?

This game is MAFIA. It has

EVERYTHING

to do with

COMMUNICATING

.

Use it.

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I am genuinely sorry if I sound upset. I'm not really angry, I just get so agitated when people act so abrasive when people want a polite, concise, conversation. I don't want to hear "you don't read the game" when I'm asking a simple question. Obviously I have read the game if I had because I had enough intel to post on the recent happenings. I don't need people trying to treat me like I'm stupid even if they think I'm scum.

With that anecdote out of the way - Shos - what about Saul is making you consider him to be scum again? I've been on and off on whether Saul is scum or not.

Yakko has made a total of 14 posts this game so far. ._____. I wouldn't be surprised if he might be a scum partner, but I've read some of his games before. He is kind of the lurky type... eww. .-. So is it meta or scum?

Also Shos, if you're trying to refer to a specific crumb you've made - I haven't seen anything, or know anything. I'm bad with crumbs, if the one I've made in 503 wasn't obvious enough. X_X

Another thing - I've been thinking a bit... and I think House may very well be town... Otherwise, I'd probably be dead right now - and he hasn't done anything very congruent to his scum play from what I've seen.

[Taly]

515

This is an abstract interpretation of the picture. But MoP said that they were a tough townie. They can post after their death.

The person in this picture looks almost as if he were dead - weak, and sitting down, but with the guitar - it feels as if they are trying to communicate a specific message.

So to me - this looks a bit congruent to what MoP actually claimed. So I'd say it is more town-sided, but I am not 100% sure.

In any case, with Houses vote - both MoP and Von are at L-1 - even if one, or even both of them are town. There is little we can do anymore except for ending this day and seeing their flips and go off of what we know from here.

P-Edit

Alright, I forgive you - Saul. Sorry if I went a little overboard with that rant message as well. X3

Well, I guess that was a hammer? So we'll wait and see what happens.

[Taly]

518

So, is your claim to be that your scum? Or are you supposed to appear like scum? ._.

You can't be like a miller if you have an ability similar to a flavor cop. O_o

[Taly]

how on earth did you get that.

READ THE G--

<< LOL xD

I was told by the mod to give a caption to a pic with his avvie. so I wrote something like OMGZ ShOS IS SO SCUMMZ

Fuck. I'm not a mind reader LOL

[Taly]

House, do you plan to shoot 2 people tonight - as before?

I'm still going to go through with my night action. I find there is a low chance I'll survive to tomorrow provided that the game doesn't end.

[Taly]

Damn it House. X_X

Wait, does your role-stopping me - make me the most confirmed-town in this game so far?

I was NEVER notified that my action got through, which tells me it probably never did because of being blocked, and someone else killing shos?

Is this why you got me to target shos? To make sure of my alignment/role? o_o

*Decoding House 101*

>>>>

I did not understand the shos kill, why would scum kill him? They didn't want another person to see my role?

Needless to say, Saul and Yakko make me curious.

House can you convince me why Yakko is the best lynch? Just give me some of your thoughts behind your assessment.

Also Yakko - if you really are a vigtown - when are all of the times you used your ability thus far in this game?

[Taly]

538

Fair enough. I guess you're town House, despite my doubts. I keep thinking that this is likely your town play - despite how inconsistent and indirect you are. Especially since your role kind of needs you to draw specific actions - like getting me to use my role on Shos.

Going to look into Yakko's history to see how much alignment indicative his lurking is.

540

Yes, I did target shos last night. Yes, I also got confirmation that my action got through to House on N1.

As for any image I have obtained Saul - Yes, I was given an image. It is very eerie, and it plays on some of my doubts - but I think it has some intuitive connection to it.

Saul, what is your connection to the letter: "L"? Does it signify you sent the image, and you're town?

541

Bingo, Saul. I send people my Role instead of alignment - it contrasts from the friendly neighbor.

541

And this is the flavor associated with the role. Nosy Neighbor. I'm confirming this.

545

Yes, English is my first and only language. I'm quite fluent in it. lol

[Taly]

Interesting. Could you please clarify whether you actually got confirmation it got through, or just confirmation that the mod received your action?

For the letter "L", read it as though it has an English accent, and is missing the "Hel" before it. I realized I could make an entertaining play on words

On N1, I was told by the mod that my action was "accepted" only a few hours after I sent it.

On N2, I only got confirmation this morning that my action was "received." This was when Night already ended. I sent my action minutes after N2 STARTED.

I interpreted this as, N1 was accepted and worked. N2 was received and no clarification was given on whether the action was confirmed or got through until I was verified "it was received" at the very end of N2.

House said I was rolestopped after I told him I'd send shos my role PM. So I believe that I didn't get confirmation on my action getting through (until the end of N2) or whether it did anything because of what House did.

Does that answer your question?

Reference to the L thing. I see what you're saying now. Hmm...

Why did you sent the picture to me?

I'm just curious. Sorry if I missed an answer to this already

Could you just clarify please what you meant by that bolded part?

House said I was blocked, or at least - it's been confirmed that my role doesn't involve killing people, it only delivers what my role is.

Since shos was NKed last night. I thought House was seeing the possible candidates of who would have killed him - since I was being put out of the question.

This is also why I asked yakko about his townvig role, or so he's said. I'm beginning to see yakko as scum.

[Taly]

Maybe, but I just thought that Molla might have interacted towards my action N2 and N1 differently based on whether it went through or not.

Also, what do you think NL would do for us here? I'm not opposed of it, but I think since you, me, and Houses role claims actually have evidence that that IS what they are. We may be the 3 town here.

Specifically since I think that yakko is the only person who's claim involves killing someone. I don't know how credible this assessment is, but I think he might be trying to look town with his claim?

Eck... ^^^ This thought made a lot more sense in my head. -_- I just think Yakko is likely scum through means based off of all 4 of us claiming.

However, I do want to hear from Yakko before I make a vote - hmmm... Why did he target me N1 with his "vengeful midnight townie shot?" (This question is directed at him)

[Taly]

Yeah, I'm still wary of you, but I think you may be town.

I also think House is most likely town, or he's playing a really good scum game. If he were scum, I don't know why he'd keep me alive past N1. His role can be either town or scum, provided that he ISN'T lying.

My role isn't proven to be town either - but it's most likely town. Why would a scum want to send their role to others? That'd be borderline useless-detrimental for someone who is working against town.

Yakko's claim seems to have some flavor in it - which makes it somewhat believable, but I'm not entirely certain. So far, I think his play may be more scummy than towny.

As for your role - Saul, I don't know exactly. Since you gave a picture - Did you expect shos to put the caption that he was scum - even if he was town?

[Taly]

@Taly how is houses role town?

I targetee you because your initial statement that my entrance was awkward felt super weird to me.

I never said Houses role was townie.

But Town Roleblockers exist outside of this game... Similar flavors of the role can be just like town. Like Saul referenced, the mod made random roles scum, I'm just going off my own logic on which is likely being used to help town, or likely being used against town.

I'm not dismissing my doubts on the idea that House could be scum. But I'm just saying, with his actions - it seems like it is town him.

>>> Well, I explained why I thought your entrance was awkward in 150 - What was so weird about it to you? You've also never really engaged much in this game other than when someone has messaged you directly - or referenced you.

[Taly]

Honestly, I actually feel very similar to Saul in his 565 - Partially because the pic he sent me is making me paranoid as fuck. >_<

:/... The longer this dayphase goes, the less I'm trusting what people say. It's intriguing but nerve-racking all at once. Seeing a flip right now from anyone doesn't seem to be a bad idea.

Do we need 3 votes to No Lynch?

Also Saul - why would you want to lynch 2 people at once again?

House, how do you feel about a no lynch?

I'm going to think a bit more deeply about whether to No Lynch or not, but I'm leaning towards that idea.

[Taly]

Players may vote for No Lynch. A No Lynch will be hammered at half of living players, not half-plus-one.

So only 2 votes.

I want to lynch 2 people because I have a townread on one of you three, so I figure if that one and I lynch the other two we'll win.

I'm not sure why my pic's making you paranoid. I tried to convey being confused as all hell last night in it...

Ah, I see.

Hmm.... X_X I'm assuming there's only 1 scum left in the game though....

"I tried to convey being confused as all hell last night in it..."

Why do you think it's making me paranoid? The picture was actually very accurate, but it also displays confusion and doubt over it.

(Since House and Yakko are most likely in the dark about this: You'll see what Saul and I are talking about at the end of this dayphase.)

[Taly]

......................

Did you not read what I was trying to tell you, Saul?

You gave me a picture, and said you were trying to convey that you were being confused.

I've already fucking said I wasn't sure of anyones alignment. The picture didn't help because it was meant for you to tell me that you were confused. (At least, that's what you already said.)

So yeah, I'm a bit paranoid over the picture because it plays on doubts and ambiguity that I'm already feeling. I already referenced in post 546 that it already played on some of my doubts!

I'm not an idiot, Saul.

And WHY does it play on some of my doubts? It's an accurate description of peoples play this game, because I'm here thinking that the 3 people I'm speaking to right now are just ALL likely scum to be scum to some degree. I've just been trying to figure this game out as well as you have, Saul.

I don't just pull shit out of my ass for no reason. The only persons alignment I know, is my own. So I don't know what you're expecting me to say.

Sorry if I blew up a bit here, but my mind is going 90 miles an hour atm.

[Taly]

Don't take what I just said personally, I see I was being harsh - but I'm being honest.

[Taly]

Alright. ._. Nobodys feelings are hurt though, right? o: Mine aren't, I hope yours aren't.

Saul, is English your first language? I'm just curious

>>>In any case, I'm 2 clicks away from voting for a No Lynch - but I'd like to hear from House or Yakko before doing something.

[Taly]

Heh, I do have a flowery vocabulary... XD

I'm also writing a novel, and I write stuff. You can look into my GTKAS thread, and you'll see some facts over that.

[Taly]

House, could you at least put together a bit of a case on Yakko being scum?

[Taly]

House, could you at least put together a bit of a case on Yakko being scum?

I actually could, but if you can't see it in his ISO, I don't see how me pointing it out would make it any more obvious.

I already said I had a few ideas, and I think Yakko is most likely the scum out of the 3 of you. (Yes, I'm confirming myself as town.)

With that said, I'll look back into his ISO and look a bit more deeply. I just asked for you to build a case to see what you would personally say - since you are making the major push, and you seem to be the most confident.

You also seemed to have suspected Yakko in D2 - whereas, not many people were looking at him. So before I place a vote (which will be tonight or tomorrow)

I'd like to hear your thoughts on Yakko.

[Taly]

If anything, hearing your case will make me more sure of Yakko-Scum

[Taly]

If anything, hearing your case will make me more sure of Yakko-Scum

Read his 20 posts. All twenty. Tell me he isn't coasting.

His questions are surface level, he has zero interest in actually finding scum.

Because he knows who they are already.

I mean, I see that he IS coasting, but I would like to hear him post before someone is lynched, plus - I'm not really confident in anything concerning reads right now... It's lylo.

However, something did peek my interest.

Saul, how do you forget your a 2-shot? o_o....

Also Saul, even if McMenno flipped town and had parallel gameplay - How would it change exactly with Yakko? Are you suggesting that Yakko may not be most likely scum?

Plus in contrast to McMenno and Yakko - Yakko has actually said some things that aren't straight up shit-posts. So I'd believe he's coasting versus lurking - which to me, is more of a scumtell since they're both somewhat correlated to each other.

If we're going to lynch today, and the game will end one way or another - I don't think withholding your reads right now is going to help, I'm warming up to lynching yakko - even though I don't trust House much at all, and this applies in most games with him. ._.

[Taly]

Sigh, if Yakko isn't going to respond by tomorrow night, then I may probably just place my vote on him. >_< We're not really accomplishing anything at the moment and he's not even trying to do anything.

[Taly]

Also, House is 3 hours from a prod. XP

Saul, it looks like you and I are the only people alive right now. ._.

[Taly]

@Mod

: Can we get that replacement for Yakko now? It's been (a little) over 48 hours since the prod, but we've been waiting for him since the day started almost a week ago.

Maybe an extension, too, since we're in MyLo and have had a missing slot for half of the day?

Sorry if we're pushing you BBmolla, but I second this.

I'm holding myself back from voting Yakko until someone actually replaces in so we can get better info.

[Taly]

Thanks, that doesn't reveal too much information Sns. X_X

So, give me a reason why I should vote NL instead of you?

[Taly]

615

You know, that's actually probably a better idea.... I'm going to target either Saul or Sns tonight because my role is unlimited.

Saul, are you still for a no lynch?

[Taly]

Well... House kind of switched to NL right there, so there's not really a chance of an Sns lynch ._.

VOTE: No Lynch

Fuck it, this will at least give us info

[Taly]

You unvoted your NL vote in 582, didn't you?

[Taly]

VOTE: intent to vote snscompt1

Honestly, I know my alignment - I am not impressed with Sns' posts overall, and I did suspect Yakko.

Saul has pinged me consistently throughout this game, but I really do not know how he is scum, unless he's intentionally faking his confusion, town self-pres, and just about every damn posts he has made this game.

Actually, I might believe it if Saul killed House to make an Sns mislynch easier.

But in any case, Sns - did you get my Role PM last night? You're really not looking good right now.

[Taly]

Yeah, that was weird. O_o

Why are you afraid of saying too much? Assuming Sns is most likely scum here, you have nothing to hide.

[Taly]

But why would scum want others to know their alignments? Neighbor is conventionally a townie role - and plus, I'm not a Neighborizer. I just tell the mod to reveal others of what my role is.

[Taly]

why would scum want others to know their alignments and roles* X-x I'm typing in a hurry at the moment, I'm having to run some errands with my family rn

[Taly]

Yaaaaaaay, my flavor line.

I feel like a celebrity.

[Taly]

"Nosy Neighbor"

That role/flavor isn't something where you'd fake a role. Plus, I haven't lied about my role or what it could do in this game - also if I were scum - why would I be telling people I am a neighbor of any type? - It's not a pointless role.

In any case, I'm really not seeing you as town at this point.

VOTE: snscompt1

[Taly]

Tomorrow is when the week of finals start - so I'm not going to have major access on here. -_-*

Saul, please make the right choice here with your vote....

[Taly]

Also Saul, you don't need to prove your town.

If you were scum, you most likely would have just hammered Sns right there, if Sns were town.

[Taly]

643

What the hell?

1)

I'm self confirming I'm town, and backing up with my role. Shouldn't you be doing this as well?

2)

Yes, you said that maybe my role consisted of telling people the role I wanted them to hear. You're painting what I've said as my role and what it does as entirely something else.

3)

I targeted your slot since the beginning of the game? Where did this come from? I've announced suspicion of your slot, yes, but I never gunned to get you lynched and I always had other suspicions and thoughts that took priority over yourself at the time. Also, I was NEVER at a full "distate" with your slot, I've said I wasn't fond of what I've seen and I found it scummy, but you're blowing my interactions with your slot out of what it is.

4)

Honestly, if you were that much of a problem - I would have NKed you already, I'm not a fucking idiot. I don't take chances in mafia especially when I'm scum.

5)

You say Yakko was a lurker as if it wasn't a negative thing... He wasn't paying attention to the game? Why is that not at least somewhat raise for concern? Plus, why are you targeting me now because I'm sure as hell not the only person who has targeted your slot for it.

Remember House? Yeah, I'm sure you killed him because he probably would be voting for you again today.

6)

Unfortunately for you, I dont think you forsaw Yakko being replaced with a more than competant player. I do tend to get over excited but generally am spot on.

Are you kidding me? You do know that I didn't vote for you in D3 because I was WAITING for a replacement. Do you honestly think I'm this dense? Why in the HELL would scum just sit and wait for "possibly a little less competent" player come in and let them fuck themselves over?

I... Sns, your argument makes no sense.

By the way, if you are saying

"OMG YES."

like you've "caught" scum, where is your vote to back it up? Otherwise, why are you now coming out with these BIG posts trying to paint me as scum saying

"YOU'VE MADE THE BIGGEST MISTAKE KEEPING ME ALIVE. HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAH!"?

I thought you were going to explain your shit TOMORROW, not randomly just wait for me to respond.... Then launch a post against me?

Sigh... House really was right about you being scum.

[Taly]

Also, if I were scum.

Why the fuck would I target you to see my role.

Then try to get you lynched in lylo afterwards?

[Taly]

Taly, other than the SK game you referenced earlier, do you have a completed (or finished, whatever, I always get those mixed up) scum game of yours I could look at?

Actually, no I haven't. I'm serious.

I never fucking roll scum. X_X I can link you all my games to confirm if you don't believe me.

[Taly]

Saul, if I were scum targeting Sns/Yakko

Do you really think I'd keep him alive until lylo - AFTER waiting for a replacement?

Specifically if I targeted him my role PM last night? 632 He confirmed this.

Plus, he killed House. House was ON his slots ass last dayphase - do you really think scum would pass up an opportunity to get an assured-vote of themselves in lylo?

I'm not faking or lying about anything.

[Taly]

OK, came back to a bunch of walls.

working on a reply

[Taly]

Also, if I were scum.

Why the fuck would I target you to see my role.

Then try to get you lynched in lylo afterwards?

Why would you target me at all? That's one of the reasons I was confused. You're saying I'm scum and plan to vote me the next day. Why didn't you target Saul? As scum you'd want to target Saul to get him to vote me, and town!you would think the same way. So asking me why you did what you did is redundant as I'm not you and can see no clear reason why you did.

I never was 100% confident in my scumread on you in D3, that's why I was consenting with a No Lynch.

I also said in D3, I was going to target you or Saul, of course.

I was also never 100% confident in my townread on Saul.

Saul already sent me what he thought of the current players through his

"BBmolla's Game of Cards"

(yeah, how the picture will be referenced)

I wanted to see how you, Sns, would react to me sending you my Role PM confirmation, since my gut already told me that Saul was thinking I'm town over you.

You come in D4, verifying I sent you my PM. You also raised the idea that my role was possibly what I WANTED other people to hear.

"Nosy Neighbor" <<< Do you see an exact flavor role like this? It's created and DESGINED to give the players ROLE, not what the player wants others to think their role is.

I couldn't have made up a role myself if it wasn't already real or given to me(Otherwise, it wouldn't have been truthful solely on mechanics). This game is MEANT to be full of new-roles. Do you really think I'm pulling random roles and abilities out of my ass?

I sent you to the PM for a reaction - you tried to use my role against me. Which is only what I might think scum would do. Why?

In lylo and in this entire game:

Scum wants to mislynch town. There's no other way for them to win.
Town wants to figure shit out. So that they can win.

House believed me as my claim was truthful, because he was town - realizing it was helpful information.

You killed House so I would supposedly have "no leverage" when you tried to misrep and kill me. Since... He supposedly already "caught" you. Whereas I, was trying to see how truthful you were.

Here you are, using the information I've given you, against me.

Why are you saying what I "SHOULD" be doing if I were scum and town?

You obviously don't know the mindset of a town right now because your play is conducive to a scums wincon.

I didn't target to corner you, I targeted to see if I could reveal you; which - it worked. Because Saul never hammered you the instant I voted you. Which is confirmedtown - Why?

Town doesn't hammer people right off the back in lylo, scum does that only when they know town can die.

I know I'm town. Saul is closest to conf-town right now.

Then that leaves you. Scum.

I'm not going to continue to rebuke your misrepping of my arguments, you're no longer my concern. I know you're scum, and frankly - if you PAID ATTENTION to my posts, you wouldn't need to argue with them as you are now.

Thank you for responding and not just hammering. I feel like I can work with you.

Cute, so no matter what I say to sway you to believe differently - you're just going to try to make short retorts without trying to come to a resolution other than getting me mislynched to conceal your win.

[Taly]

Plus, he killed House. House was ON his slots ass last dayphase - do you really think scum would pass up an opportunity to get an assured-vote of themselves in lylo?

I'm not faking or lying about anything.

I checked Houses posts from yesterday and he barely posted. He more or less said "yakko is scum by PoE". That's all. He never made a case despite how much you tried to get him to do it for you.

You say you're not faking or lying. If you were actually town, you wouldn't need to say that because you know you arent. It seems like you're moreso trying to convince yourself that you're not scum compared to Saul.

Sorry Sns, if I had a case on someone I would have fucking dished one out, feel free to think of yourself as that special, though.

Also, what the FUCK gave YOU the IDEA - that I was trying to convince YOU that I was SCUM OVER SAUL?

Have you been reading? I'm certain you're scum, why would I need to convince you of anything?

House was a Rolestopper. He could potentially cause scum to not make a kill. You needed that gone. In addition, he already confirmed your role and supported you because of that role. Now you kill him before he changes his mind so you can say "House said I was town and knew my role" even though he's dead.

Sorry Sns, but did you read House at all?

Taly, I'm going to ask you to tell shos what role you are tonight in order to demonstrate your ability directly to him.

I still have my doubts about him and want to see his reaction to your role.

That is where I directed Taly to target shos so I could roleblock him because I thought the last scum was one of him or Yakko.

House ROLESTOPPED ME. My role and abilities were completely ineffective.

But even then, Shos got killed.

That leaves either Yakko or Saul to kill shos. I'm pretty sure Yakko (you) killed Shos.

Because shos was suspecting Yakko.

[Taly]

664

I'm pretty busy and sometimes a flake, even when I try not to. I'm working on it, Mafia is mentally and time-consuming at times.

Me not always intuned with everything said in a game or everything involved is town-tell from me at times, mostly due to honesty.

I'm a lot more focused and refined when I'm scum, as you may have seen in my SK-game with House in it.

For confirmation, there is a game where it got me mislynched in D1. It's currently on-going, but you can look at my wiki and see it - it's updated to it saying my status is:

"Sadly Dead" >>> There's only 2 options.

[Taly]

Saul, please.

Burn Yakko's Lurker card. Hammer Sns, it's the winning move.

May the Linker and it's "L" live on in this game.

Because if the "L" doesn't make the final connection with that Linker, it will turn into an Inker.

And the Ink from the Inker will stain the town, symbolizing their loss.

As for any image I have obtained Saul - Yes, I was given an image. It is very eerie, and it plays on some of my doubts - but I think it has some intuitive connection to it.

Yeah, I didn't know how well this would play into the flavor I'm throwing into this game.

But it's the truth Saul. Hammer and you'll see.

[Taly]

House ROLESTOPPED ME. My role and abilities were completely ineffective.

...

Here we go again. That's not how House's ability works!

Please

read the game!

Saul, I think YOU need to read the game.

House was a Rolestopper. He could potentially cause scum to not make a kill. You needed that gone. In addition, he already confirmed your role and supported you because of that role. Now you kill him before he changes his mind so you can say "House said I was town and knew my role" even though he's dead.

Sns was saying that House was role-stopping my "supposed kill" on someone. So why are you telling ME that's not how Houses role works when I'm being honest, and Sns is the one insinuating House could have stopped scum from killing someone?

NEWSFLASH: I AM TOWN. SO HOUSES ROLE-STOPPER DID RENDER MY ABILITIES INEFFECTIVE.

[Taly]

I'm sorry if I over-stepped a rule. X_X.... But I am being truthful.

Are you going to keep telling me to read the game or are you going to reply?

[Taly]

Saul, do you think I targeted shos with my ability and killed him at the same time? I made it sure to House in D2 that I was targeting shos, and I did.

Why would I kill shos and remove another piece of confirmation people could use to reference what my ability does?

"abilities"

I only have 1 ability, but you guys seem to be implying that I can do multiple things. Plus, I'm not the best person with grammar in the world and especially when I'm trying to get a point across.

Saul, are you going to jump on me about word usages? I'm being honest, I can't stress this enough.

Don't you see Sns' responses to me? He keeps referring to me as being a "mess" or saying I'm flailing. He hasn't put up much of a major argument against what I've said.

Do you really think I would have killed off the 2 of the 3 people I targeted - just to get the final person I targeted to die in lylo if I were scum?

Scum would be using this informational ability to preserve themselves, not try and make connections so town could out scum - like how I've been using it.

[Taly]

Arguments that don't involve my nosy neighbor role?

1)

I didn't townread MoP right off the bat - nor did I do it without coming to my own opinion about it.

Yes, I do find genuine thoughts to be indicative of alignment at all sometimes. Also, Yakko never entirely explained their read on MoP from what I've seen

2)

Why would I wait for Sns to replace into the game if I had the chance in D3 to vote and help directly towards his lynch? Why would scum pass up the opportunity for this?

3)

Saul, did you read my SK play? I was on every mislynch hammer, and I didn't claim intent, didn't do much about how I approached the wagon or any thing like that that would have delayed my survival to win the game.

Do you see any of that here? I have been on the lynch wagons, but in D2 - we had no other choice, and in D1 - I didn't outright hammer to avoid more suspicion on myself before someone died. I was also very clear on my reasoning for voting people and I didn't go out of my way to create speculation that would have supported my reasoning.

4)

Also Saul - Don't you find 643 to be quite contrived? Especially the first 2 lines. "Omg. Yes." >>>> Why would town be happy to throw suspicion on someone in lylo, and not back it up with any case or vote?

Sns seemed like he was waiting for me to post something specific, he is trying to use whatever I say back to him, against myself. Don't you see that pattern in his retorts? Not once has he said that he was going to talk to me over what is to happen, all he's done so far is make rebuttals to what I've said to defend myself and convince you that I'm being truthful, and he's throwing tons of apathy at what I say to him. 679, he blatantly says that he doesn't know or doesn't care to reason here, he also is trying to buddy with you saying that you're "the only person he could talk to"

He's trying to butt me out of this and re-state everything I say as something scummy.

5)

Yes, I am flying off the rails a little bit - but that happens a lot when I'm town about that could be mislynched rsulting in the loss of a game. I don't throw AtE at all because what emotions your getting is what you're going to get in these situations.

I've been mislynched in lylo before because of people using what I say against myself, ESPECIALLY when it is truthful. It honestly drains me, and I have good reason to back up my convictions.

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Game where I fly off the rails where I was right about 2/3 of the scumteam, but I got killed and wagoned 90% of D1 - scum wins.

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Game where I am mislynched as town in lylo when I've made accurate cases against scum.

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Game where I was an SK, just for reference.

Please, tell me, was I this much of "a mess" in my SK game? I was in lylo, and suspected just like this.

Did I air all of my current feelings and try to go back to ONE argument that ties in together why I think someone is scum? No, I didn't. I just kept throwing possibilities to tell people why I'm town. I was convincing others more than actually defending myself and giving reasons, like I am now.

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Saul, I said it in 676

I sent Sns my role to figure out how he would react. I was leaning to you being town at the time, so I wanted to see if Sns would try to use my role and arguments against me(in which case, he's trying - of which I expected scum-him to do in this situation)

I also thought that since you were giving me your picture, that you and I already had some sort of connection, I was more sure of you, you were more sure of me over Sns

I target Sns to truly find if I were correct in thinking he was scum and you were town.

I find that you're town Saul, because you would have hammered my vote on Sns the minute you saw it, since you would have been the last scum, and only needed that vote.

After that, all I've been doing is trying to convince you that I truly am town, and sns is really scum.

Basically, I sent my role PM to Sns instead of you to verify who is town/scum. Now, I just want you to realize me and hammer Sns and win the game. :I

Saul - if I were scum, why would I have killed House? He could have role-stopped me - right? He already role-stopped me N2 to out me from being scum, and to find that Yakko/Sns was truly the scum.

Why would I kill House if he was going to help me? Why didn't I just jump on the Yakko/Sns wagon to kill Yakko and conceal a scumwin? Me waiting for a replacement and me being uncertain of my vote isn't like scum-me at all. It's a lot like town.

And honestly Saul - If I were scum, House would have been my last kill. He confirmed that I was truthful about my role, even if it didn't tell my alignment, he supported me on this versus everyone else - scum would drive on this to stay as a survivalist in a safe position.

And, House was the closest person to townreading me at that point.

It makes PERFECT sense for Sns to kill House, since House was onto him - and already concluded that sns was scum.

Also Saul - you keep withholding info. about what you think scum should say. I really don't know what you're seeing scum would say at ths point. X_X But please, what I'm saying is real here.

I have to go eat and do things now, so I can't reply to sns-scum.

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Also Saul, other than what I said in my previous post about not giving you my role PM

Giving you my role PM would not have given me as much info as giving it to Sns would.

I was suspecting Sns, and seeing how he took me giving him info. would really tell me if he was town or scum in this situation of lylo.

Also, giving you my role PM would not have cleared the small amount of suspicion you and I held for each other at that moment in D3. It would have given hypothetical-concluded-real-scum-sns leverage in pushing one of us to be mislynched as town.

P-Edit, I'm not thinking straight right now, I've had to do exams, deal with some people, and quite a few other things.

I seriously need to go for right now, but listen to what I'm telling you on why I gave Sns the role PM and not you.

also, even if House didn't keep me from using my role, why would I kill him versus why Sns would?

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It makes PERFECT sense for Sns to kill House, since House was onto him - and already concluded that sns was scum.

And you couldve killed House just to have his last opinions of you be town, thereby making us believe him. And you couldve killed House just to make this argument against me.

Your wifom arguments don't work.

So... you're going to degrade my arguments as WIFOM, OK...

Do you know how many times scum has told me and to others that "you could have done this just to use this argument"

Seriously, I am not that deep in my scum-play, and if I was - I wouldn't have offed someone that would directly contribute in keeping scum alive(townreading someone who's wincon is to survive), in the hypothetical situation that I am scum. Which I am not.

And really, the idea of saying EVERYTHING I've done in this game leads to this "massive scum plan" I must have is mostly speculation - at least on the parts where you guys are WIFOMing about me killing House.

but honestly, you killing House isn't just speculation to be pulled out of my ass. House was a danger to you, he voted you, and was really convinced that you were scum from how things turned out. You killing House was probably the only thing you could do to preserve yourself as scum. He was a threat, and he probably still would have been if you 2 stayed alive this dayphase because I've been in several games with House.

He doesn't just drop his reads on people he thinks are scum, especially in adverse circumstances in lylo - to where he was already somewhat confidence that he pegged you as scum.

Also in 679

What makes you think I'm raging or flailing? Yes, I am pretty agitated, and why is that anti-town? I'm trying to get it across to town(Saul) that you are the last scum and we keep having to go back and forth, back and forth with arguing with each other because a decision isn't being made. No matter what I've said in return to you, you breed apathy yet again about how you don't understand my posts, nor do you even care to try.

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1)

Yeah, it's the fact that Yakko did half-ass a townread on MoP with no explained reason seems pretty weird, at least everyone had a coherent idea of my thought process in townreading someone. Even if Yakko was never asked, he didn't do much interaction with MoP so it's a little off that he just townread them like that?

Also, I had a slight town lean on MoP in D1, it somewhat faded in D2 - and partially because of roles, we had no other choice but to lynch them. Seeing their flip, it makes a lot of sense of how Yakko-scum would just townread MoP for really no reason. They were partners.

2)

This is a blatant lie. 60 isn't even FROM me. Nor did I say I was thinking of voting for Yakko in D1.

3)

I mean, wouldn't you get on wagons and push anyone if you were town? That gets a lot of info.

No, I never said I was town because I'm on mislynch wagons, thanks for that slight misrep. I said how I treated wagons in that game when I was an SK were different than how I treated them now.

This is not Scum-Taly's pathological vote history at work here.

4)

Because you didn't vote for me right out of the gate, you wanted a CLEAR definitive path and reason to show how "true" your vote was against scum.

Yeah, I get it - Because that's what I did in my SK game, and I won. Town burned.

I mean - Why do I need to talk to you? You and I both know you're scum. So, why are you replying to me? A bit afraid here?

5)

What makes you think this isn't a bastard-type game? Literally, this is new-roles convention here. The mod even said that there were bastard roles in this game earlier in this thread.

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Honestly Sns, if you're going to accuse me of doing WIFOM ad being a hypocrite, then you seriously need to look back at your own posts.

everything both of us are saying so far have been said. Arguing more is just going to be more of a clusterfuck.

Also, stop throwing around "stog raging, you're ragining."

Nothing about my recent posts indicates raging and keep re-iterating that I need to read the game when I have 2 eyes myself is honestly striking nerves here.

I'm just tired and frustrated, and I'm honestly done responding to you.

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Honestly Sns, if you're going to accuse me of doing WIFOM ad being a hypocrite, then you seriously need to look back at your own posts.

everything both of us are saying so far have been said. Arguing more is just going to be more of a clusterfuck.

Also, stop throwing around "stog raging, you're ragining."

Nothing about my recent posts indicates raging and keep re-iterating that I need to read the game when I have 2 eyes myself is honestly striking nerves here.

I'm just tired and frustrated, and I'm honestly done responding to you.

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Why do you think your ability was stopped on N2?

Taly, I don't think I saw an answer to this when I skimmed.

I'll be looking in more detail tomorrow I hope. I'm fried for tonight.

I said I targeted shos with my role PM in N2. He got killed before I saw him confirm my role in D3.

House drew my role to block shos(Because House was suspecting shos scum), someone other than me had to have killed Shos.

I couldn't have killed shos. This was before House fully claiming what his role could do in D3. The speculation that I randomly just PMed someone my role but then kill them the same night before anything knowledge of how my abilities could be effected is meaningless and a waste. I didn't kill shos.

So, why would I do something that completely negated another thing I did? (IE, killing someone while sending them my role.)

Solution: I didn't kill Shos because I couldn't have. I'm town.

Yakko claimed that he was a roll that could kill people. Yakko was also suspecting shos or had unfavorable interactions with him in D2. (Shos was bargaining Yakko and I to be killed)

Yakko couldn't keep surviving in the game letting Shos do this to him, Yakko kills shos.

Yakko/Sns slot is scum, Saul. This isn't speculation, it is fact.

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I am town, my role is definitely town. I targeted shos n2. Be back around 11. on break

Yakko claimed he had a roll that could kill, just read his ISO.

I'm being honest here.

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I put a lot of meta on myself showing you I'm town.

Here's a scum game from Yakko to compare to viewtopic.php?f=51&t=60415&start=875

ISO Yakko here, he's a lot more lurky and his posting is a bit similar to his here.

the only difference is, Yakko has posted more in this game since it was longer lasting and he actually survived to the end as scum.

If it weren't for the mechanic, he might have lived to win as scum.

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You can also look at my SK game to see Sns' scum play, and how his arguments resemble how he treats mine here.

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You can also look at my SK game to see Sns' scum play, and how his arguments resemble how he treats mine here.

LOL you want me to look at a game where he was legitimately trying to find scum and was treating you, scum in that game, the same way he's acting here? (I've played scum in multiball and scumhunting is real when you're actually trying to find someone else who's killing town...)

I'll be trying to look at those meta games today but with your self-confessed "I have no scum games other than an SK game" I don't know how much weight I'll put into them.

The more you say "Yakko/Sns slot is scum, Saul. This isn't speculation, it is fact", the more frustrated I'm getting with you. You need to realize that

I don't have your role PM

. From my POV, you could be lying. If you can't see that...

Also, yes, Yakko claimed a role that can kill. You know who else does that? Town vigs and vengefuls. They have roles that kill, that doesn't make them scum.

You know who claims roles that kill when he's town? House, apparently. In this game. So please stop saying things that are irrelevant. It's just making this harder for me, and no matter what your alignment, you

don't

want me thinking you're saying these things just to make my decision harder.

Saul, I'm just trying to tell you my perspective, I know there is pressure being put on you - I'm actually trying to make your decision easier by telling you.

I'm guessing it would be more helpful if we just backed off and make you come to your own assessment?

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=60920 >> Game where I fly off the rails

I've tried to find you flying off the rails there the same way you did here, but I can't. Could you please point me to the specific post(s)?

This was before I stopped trying to censor myself, but in this game - I remember myself being very acute with people >_<

posts: 692, 657, 568. 491, 482, 462, 456, 416

These are all posts where I argue changing my fonts and displaying some level of emotion in my posts.

Also, it irks me how it was concluded that I was losing my mind in my posts yesterday. Yes, I was frustrated and putting emotion in some of my thoughts

But a lot of the time, I change fonts in specific posts to EMPHASIZE my points, so people could clearly see what I'm saying.

People get really snappy with my longer and articulated posts sometimes, so I emphasize my points so people could read them - it also gives me reference and etc.

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Sorry if I gave you hell Saul X_X

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I never intentionally tried to give you shit?

Plus, I did read the game, I sometimes made mistakes or overlooked things, and I'm not really that obtuse as a person. X_X

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well, GG. ^_^

I could have played better, sorry if I came off as insensitive or stupid Saul.

You are a humble mod BBmolla

Sns, you actually did pretty good - I thought Saul was going to hammer me for a while. XD

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Tbh, I took 707 a bit personally, a long with everytime Saul told me to "read the game" instead of looking entirely at what I was trying to tell him.

I hope you guys don't think bad of me, I really was not trying to make you out as a bully Sns - nor did I ever call you one, and I was being truthful about how you seemed to have interacted with my argument

I mean, I knew you were most likely scum - so that would have made sense.

I'm not the type of person to crave pity or anything, nor am I inconsiderate of others. :/

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I liked your spunk Taly. I found you thinking your role meant you had to be town humorous because the only roles I really ensured were town were the Roleyielder and the Pablo Picasso Cop. Roleyielder because it's one of town's only power, and PPC because it's ridiculous and I could easily see it getting lynched for people thinking it's a fake claim.

Heh thanks Molla, I did go a bit nutso though - Partially because of emotions, and overall "Not going to crap happen" >>> Glad you found me entertaining. X3

Well, I knew I was town - and I was being truthful. If telling people how I used my role gave any idea of them realizing I'm not scum - then I would have used it, and I did. XD

That does sound a bit crazy though, but it was lylo - and I wasn't going to be possibly mislynched on the idea that I didn't do everything I could to lynch scum and convince Saul I was town.

a long with everytime Saul told me to "read the game" instead of looking entirely at what I was trying to tell him.

What I still don't understand is: WHY did you think your role said anything about your alignment,

especially

after I pointed out that the roles were randomized against alignment? That's what was most infuriating to me, you kept coming back to that but it wasn't true.

There were times where I was using my role and said it said something about my alignment

But most of D4, I was telling you HOW I used my role. I was trying to convince you guys that I wasn't using my role how scum would have. IE, I was being honest, and I kept trying to re-assert how me being scum based off of me killing the people I gave my role to - didn't make any sense.

Sorry if I angered you, but I didn't think you were listening to what I was trying to tell you - but now I know that you were trying to get all the info. you could before making a final decision, which I understand. (I thought you were going to listen to Sns, and then he would have won the game)

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I know, I just get really fired up when I get lynched or dismissed when people don't really believe what I say. That's happened to me before in lylo and etc.

There was no concrete thing that made me town, but myself. So I just tried and tried to show it, even if it didn't really make sense.

Molla, Saul, Sns

what did you guys think about the Flavor I put into Saul's' picture he sent? LOL

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I just get really fired up when I get lynched or dismissed when people don't really believe what I say.

IMO, you should try to control that. Because scum lie, so not believing everything someone says is part and parcel of this game.

Yeah, I needed a chill pill - I usually don't lose my head in these games though, as you may have seen in my other games.

I just believed myself, and believed in myself. So even when people were skeptical, I kept enforcing how I was honest and genuine.

^^ Which is actually decent scumplay in this scenario, but I wanted it to be clear in any case - that I wasn't lying.

This sounded a lot more sane in my head. X_X...

But yeah, I will be less crazy with my convictions. Molla was right, town had weak roles.

I'm actually surprised that you(Saul), and I survived and won for town. O_o

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I thought it was pretty cool, and a nice description that I didn't even think about when creating it.

Then I wanted a deck of those cards so I could pin them to a billboard like in the crime shows.

LOL, that's what I was thinking when I put my caption! XD

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We can thank BRantz for us surviving, I think. He forced lynches D2 which I'm not convinced would have happened if he hadn't. Might've policy lynched Tally though...

I do think BRantz's move was good for town overall though. I'll trade 2 town for 1 scum any early game.

Yeah, scum don't like me surviving in games. :/ I've had scum tell me that I usually either really help them in getting myself set up for a lynch - or that I was too "strong/good" as town to let live in a game.

In hindsight, I really did like Brantz's move when he did.