Micro 474: Over the Garden Wall Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Honey bee]

It's in the op.

VOTE: pie

[Honey bee]

Ms feels townie to me but idk how strong that feeling is.

Also lets not flavor claim ever if that wasn't already clear.

Pie is pinging me and idunno why so talk about ur vote if you may for me please.

[Honey bee]

Ehh maybe. He's giving me a goofy impression so it's hard for me to state it as forced or just not trying. I don't know him, so i guess I'm taking that impressoin with a grain of salt. I don't think he would have mistaken the recruitment thing as something else as scum though.

[Honey bee]

I'm about 99% sure he could post it as either alignment. faking confusion about smth it's publicly known scum has is an easy way to appear as town-ish in some ppl's eyes (it actually strikes me as something he'd specifically go out of his way to do as scum, but I don't feel that strongly about it).

either way when he jokes around early game I don't see it looking like this. he usually just fluff posts about stuff that's not game-relevant.

some people is mostly just me, and in this game it's just me saying this too. It almost never pays off for scum. I guess I could see ways he'd just say that as scum, but I don't see it as pandering.

Do you have an example of what you're talking about tho? I haven't gone on a meta crunch yet so these arguments seem distant from me.

I'm going to let go of whatevers bothering me about pie. Rest of her play doesn't really support it. VOTE: lia because I don't my vote idle and most of the active players aren't troubling me. Did you not have anyone better you wanted to vote?

[Honey bee]

My vote would be on MS but I don't want to put him at L-1 yet which is why I'm not voting. Do you have any scum reads yet? Your read on Pie seems similar to mine. Is that from a meta read or just from this thread?

nah, I don't know pie's meta, so from the thread. My reads are varying from townie feeling to slightly scumish.

[Honey bee]

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=61111 (Endless Possibilities hydra) - he just fluff posts and has fun early game until he starts pushing Om. there were only I think 3 or 4 posts before that, the rest of them were me.
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60046 (mental somnic hydra) - he just ignores everything (and says as much) until he starts getting reads. all the other posts that were about stuff were Om.

it might be difficult to tell individual posts apart bc both of those are hydra games. most of his games he does the former as opposed to lurking the game out, but regardless (I can link more games if you want).

Scum examples would be more helpful, as I don't have the expectation for players to be that consistent in their town games. ff was the only game I could kinda see what you're saying, but I'll have to look harder later today or tomorrow.

[Honey bee]

nah, I don't know pie's meta, so from the thread. My reads are varying from townie feeling to slightly scumish.

Which players are you finding slightly scummish?

elaborate on both of these? (in MS' case, I don't disagree, but I want to know your specific reasoning)

I wish I could but they're both gut reads really. With MS he just doesn't seem as comfortable as I've seen him elsewhere, and post 21 felt a bit odd as I'd assumed his vote in 14 was just rvs. It's not strong but it's the best I've got so far. With Honey bee it's even weaker but it started with 48; I don't see how anyone could get a townread on MS at that point and the explanation in 50 wasn't really very convincing.

@ Doduo:

Can you tell me which posts are by Marquis please?

I play mostly by gut, so I am going by my twinges and he twinged townish early.

You were one of the slightly scummish people but I like this post. The others I will reveal later, i have to ponder some more. It's nearing deadline and I haven't figured out who I'd be good with lynching.

[Honey bee]

No not really. If he's lynched I wouldn't care too much but I have low expectations for him flipping scum.

Around deadline I'd probably do it.

[Honey bee]

I guess I missed it

[Honey bee]

Why not claim :o

[Honey bee]

Why? There's more to this game than you think, and it might prove you town

[Honey bee]

:/ cant be worse than a mislynch can it? It's clear u got a randomized role

[Honey bee]

P.S. I can see the Sonic push, but I don't want him at L-1 yet.

PPS. I don't know who if anyone would have recruited Gaiden. That doesn't stop him from being the initial scum that recruited someone, and I don't think he Towntelled just by saying he wouldn't get recruited.

Who do u think picked ms then

[Honey bee]

can nacho selfhammer

[Honey bee]

I'm here and I can be here for the next 2 hours

[Honey bee]

I guess where I am right now is that I was willing to let the ms slide since there was a lot of people who seem to couldn't get over how he's playing and he's claiming stuff that could be detrimental to the town. I really don't want to deal with this tomorrow either since this wagon has felt like a hurdling block all day.

The lia lynch is ok, but I don't see this as a better alternative considering the above. If this lynch is just everyone panicking because they're having second thoughts about ms then I don't want it but if people are seriously considering her then I'm fine with it. I have no opinion about the hydra tinfoil hat thing but she's still in the lower half of my reads. Her posts just strike me as safe but that's all.

The nacho thing I was only considering since he's decided to leave an open sightline to himself and he's really the player I could see as useful if he can confirm himself. I don't think he's scummier than lia.

I speech some more in a bit.

[Honey bee]

VOTE: ms okay

[Honey bee]

=l what the fuck

[Honey bee]

Weird.

VOTE: alchemist i haven't looked back yet but I want to look here first.

[Honey bee]

The kill.

[Honey bee]

Theres nothing about him that I could see being high priority to kill other than just killing for wifom.

He was also really low on my list.

[Honey bee]

Ok well the thing pinging me about alch is probably a playstyle thing.

VOTE: duduo i wanna hear about the gaiden vote too.

[Honey bee]

Doduo is town bc of Marquis' play. I alluded to this earlier, but when Marquis is scum he usually relies on mass amounts of ATE and playing up how "emotional/genuine" he is in order to make ppl not realize he's not actually game solving. this isn't what he's doing here. his posting at DL is another thing that made me think he was likely town - his thoughts on Lia matched mine as I was reading through it, and his push on Nacho made sense even though I disagree with it.

I don't think his scum game is that simple but i want to figure out some info after that mess of a day. Their recent activity confuses me.

[Honey bee]

I'm pretty sure this is what he does in all of his scum games. the specific way he goes about it is different from game to game (the most recent game he acted lost all game and played up how apathetic he was and how he didn't have any reads, the game before that he basically did nothing the entire latter half of the game besides making 1 wall post every 2 days trying to look as genuine as possible), but there's the same pattern of emotional posting there.

It's not something I've observed at least and it's not really something I believe will always try. What posts do you see here do you think can't come from his scum game?

[Honey bee]

VOTE: Lia

Refuck the police

why u switch marquis's vote

[Honey bee]

it's not so much "these posts can't come from scum", it's that on a general level I feel the way he's approached most things in this game looks more like his town game than his scum game

as one example, the MS push. this is almost entirely gut, but the way he went about it didn't really feel manipulative. it felt a lot more natural and less like he was trying to look good off it or like he cared about his image, so to speak.

as another example, most of what he did at deadline - rather than lurking through it or sitting on the sidelines, there's a lot of activity, engagement, and you can tell he's trying to figure shit out. there's a lot of gut involved here but I didn't get the impression he cared about how he was coming across or trying to push an agenda with any of it. I wouldn't expect him to be engaged in the way that he was if he was scum here. from less of a meta standpoint, his thoughts on Lia at the end of D1 aligned with mine fairly closely and his thoughts on Nacho made sense to me even though I disagree with them.

Getting away with an easy mislynch at a deadline scramble with another one set up tomorrow feels like an agenda to me. The thing that's bothering me right now is that there's a clear disconnect with marquis's case against lia (which was dependent on ms being town) and notty's switch. And whatever that engagement at deadline was it's clearly gone now.

This day is dragging because people are content with letting this lynch go without knowing the reason behind it. Nacho's the one holding the hammer here so idk why he hasn't done it yet.

[Honey bee]

I think there's at least stuff for them to comment on with their vote target so active and me trying to pick fights with them. Also it's not like they need anything going on as an excuse to post, so I don't really buy they have nothing to say.

[Honey bee]

I forgot this account existed

just hammer already

VOTE: Lia

Refuck the police

why u switch marquis's vote

bc confscum

notty is gone it's all me babe

oh how convenient...

[Honey bee]

but I wasn't planning on compromising this time anyway

so the switch was intentional yesterday? okay.

I don't know who's here or not that I can trust so I'm just pointing this out after I'm nked. I'll check back in a bit.

[Honey bee]

Um pie is town and its mylo

[Honey bee]

I don't think claiming is going to be helpful right now. All roles are neutral alignment so it's only going to be helpful if anyone has isometjing info based. It just feels like giving scum more info.

[Honey bee]

also I'm not gonna lie, I thought Nacho could be scum based on the no lynch yesterday. -.-

This is one of the reasons lia, and also she's just been very genuine comparitively this game. How are you scum reading her?

Peedit:?

[Honey bee]

Atm I am trying to figure out who I can agree to lynching that is most likely to turn up scum, as after that I can be way more useful and maybe claim. But right now if i claim its going to do nothing and may make things worse than they are now. So unless anyone has something good we can ascertain from their claim then I might consider it but otherwise I won't.

[Honey bee]

When i say useful i mean "can confirm someone town or scum".

Name claiming is an absolute no.

[Honey bee]

Lol..

I think we should lynch today. No lynching is going to just remove gaiden from the equation(maybe?). Though idk if we can actually come up with a hniformed decision in time.

I don't think i want to lynch marquis today because of *reasons*. Nice to see you again tho :p