Micro 503- CD9* Day 4

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #14 (isolation #0) » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:22 pm

/Confirm

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #27 (isolation #1) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:10 am

VOTE: Runner

Can we get a wagon going or what?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #33 (isolation #2) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:24 am

Xay, you should absolutely join the Runner wagon before your wagon catches up otherwise I'll vote you.

You wouldn't want that, would you?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #35 (isolation #3) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:01 am

Anything in particular you don't like about it?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #40 (isolation #4) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:10 am

What don't you like about post 23 Bulba?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #42 (isolation #5) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:13 am

Why?

Do you believe that it is alignment indicative? If so, what does it tell you?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #44 (isolation #6) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:34 am

Flubber, what did you dislike about post 20?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #47 (isolation #7) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:38 am

Why does it bother you then?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #49 (isolation #8) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:41 am

Why is it more likely to come from scum than town?

Do you think denying to RVS draws attention? If so, do you think this is likely an approach that scum would take?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #56 (isolation #9) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:32 am

Flubber, I'm not sure how you're reading 20 as distancing.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #64 (isolation #10) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:13 pm

Alright, when you have caught up (providing you don't do it during catch up) can you expand on why FG over Runner?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #69 (isolation #11) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:22 pm

Umm, seems like a good wagon to start with.

Can you help me push it now?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #72 (isolation #12) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:34 pm

Runner has more votes.

Unless we both vote Bulba?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #75 (isolation #13) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:55 pm

Not really, game is kind of slow starting.

I don't understand FG's entrance or what he plans to gain from it.

Guess I'm just waiting for people to post or do ~things~.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #77 (isolation #14) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:25 pm

What do you think of the Runner wagon, Yuri?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #87 (isolation #15) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:58 am

VOTE: FakeGod

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #90 (isolation #16) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:51 am

In post 88, FakeGod wrote:
BBT's FG vote is fairly questionable though. I would expect scum_BBT to gun for me early in the game, and the way he makes sure support is there (his interaction with Yuriko) before jumping wagons is scum-indicative. (from my experience, town BBT does not concern himself with such trivialities)

Why would you expect scum!BBT over town!BBT to attack you early game?

Can you show me where I checked for support before voting you?

PEdit - That's dumb.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #95 (isolation #17) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:00 am

In post 91, FakeGod wrote:Because scum BBT recognizes that I'm a threat to him.

No problem. Go double ISO Yuriko and BBT and search for fakegod. BBT has zero mentions until Yuriko votes FG.

Why is that dumb, exactly?

So, instead of leaving you and just killing you at night he decides to attack you because...

You're right, I had zero mentions of you. I was interested in a Runner wagon and his responses make me think he could be town and now I'm interested in doing something else. I fail to see where I seek support for voting you.

It's dumb because it relies on the doc staying alive.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #117 (isolation #18) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:23 am

In post 115, Xayzeck wrote:
BBT talk to me about that FG vote

I see FG spending most of his time talking about set up spec and not enough time scum hunting.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #132 (isolation #19) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:08 am

In post 125, FakeGod wrote:
Nah. I read your past games. You are confident in your play. You would engage and play aggressively.

Yeah, you're probably right.

In post 127, FakeGod wrote:
Last 4 out of 5 games or so of mine, I opened with setup spec. I was town in every single one.

I don't care for meta.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #138 (isolation #20) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:50 am

Unfortunately for you, I STILL don't care for meta.

I don't care if you did set-up spec 1,000 times as town and have not yet done it to date as scum.

I'm going to vote you if you're not scum hunting. It's as simple as that.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #139 (isolation #21) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:51 am

In post 133, Bulbazoor wrote:
BBT wants a wagon going later on runner. Were you trying to get a reaction wagon or a mislynch wagon?

BBT is town. No question about it.

A mislynch wagon? What makes you think it would result in a mislynch?

Why do you think I'm town?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #141 (isolation #22) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:53 am

In post 140, FakeGod wrote:
I see a rather impulsive player who is careless with his vote, and quite concerned with his own survival.

And what does this tell you?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #144 (isolation #23) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:55 am

In post 139, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 133, Bulbazoor wrote:
BBT wants a wagon going later on runner. Were you trying to get a reaction wagon or a mislynch wagon?

BBT is town. No question about it.

A mislynch wagon? What makes you think it would result in a mislynch?

Why do you think I'm town?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #146 (isolation #24) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:56 am

No, I fully understood your post.

You clearly did not read the last part of my post and instead chose to isolate a section that you could respond to.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #148 (isolation #25) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:59 am

FG, what you wrote is ambiguous. It doesn't clarify whether you think he is bad town or scum.

Can you clarify please?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #151 (isolation #26) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:06 am

Oh, in that case I'm wondering why you even bothered writing it...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #153 (isolation #27) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:09 am

I wrote 151 because I was trying to make the point that your posts don't seem to contain any content.

You just threw together a sentence that didn't really mean anything and didn't need to be posted. You see, someone might read that post as you scum reading Bulba and I wanted clarification on where you stood.

Ambiguous posts like that are scummy.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #165 (isolation #28) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:05 am

In post 158, GrayFoxxxx wrote:Don't like the FG vote, if it's because of the no lynch idea.
BBT strikes me as a little unnatural.
Going to reread in next 3 or 4 hours and post. Maybe reads will change when I can sit down and actually think about this.

]
It is not because of the no lynch idea. What are your thoughts on FG?

I hope you elaborate on 'unnatural'.

In post 160, GrayFoxxxx wrote:Done 2 ISOs since last post. Going to do rest and come up with a list that I'll post tonight.

Looking forward to this.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #203 (isolation #29) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:38 pm

Catching up.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #204 (isolation #30) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:47 pm

In post 167, Xayzeck wrote:
Was it anything that pinged you hard? Bulba hasn't done much scumhunting either, but you picked FG instead (I'm not asking you specifically why FG over Bulba btw, just an example)

Not really, you're right in that they're both scum hunting but I'm much more weary of FG and would like to sort his slot out as soon as possible. I am also slowly learning that I cannot read Bulba. At all.

In post 181, Flubbernugget wrote:
Bulb looked like scum not knowing how to sell a counterwagon

I still don't see this. I really don't know why you're voting Bulba.

In post 184, GrayFoxxxx wrote:
Could you expand on your reasons?

FG is null right now. I like the idea of a no lynch, to get more info. FG needs to give us some clear reads, or atleast cast a legitimate vote.

Did so above, I can't really expand much more. The second part of your sentence is good.

In post 186, GrayFoxxxx wrote:@BBT

Both of your votes look cheap.
You also fault FG for debating theory. A debate you are engaged in.
You say he isn't scum hunting, and I agree, but I'm not thinking that's a scum tell this early.

You're right, they do. That's because they are. I had no basis for my first vote and my second vote is based on weak reasoning but I'm happy with it so far and would like to see where it goes.

Why is not scum hunting not a scum tell?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #206 (isolation #31) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:58 am

What happened to Espeonage scum read?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #212 (isolation #32) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:21 am

FG telegraphed that vote.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #218 (isolation #33) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:20 am

UNVOTE:

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #231 (isolation #34) » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:46 am

VOTE: Flubber

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #235 (isolation #35) » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:09 am

I don't get his read on Bulba.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #245 (isolation #36) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:46 am

No, it means I don't understand Flubber's reasoning for vote parking on Bulba.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #250 (isolation #37) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:38 pm

Can we get some votes on Flubber?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #252 (isolation #38) » Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:47 pm

Why not?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #254 (isolation #39) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 12:04 am

I don't share your confidence.

Enlighten me.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #256 (isolation #40) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 12:17 am

I agree that her back off from scum hunting and resorting to the no lynch plan was scummy.

Other than that, I don't really get your issue.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #258 (isolation #41) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:58 am

Oh?

It's because you're vote parking on Bulba and I don't understand your reason for doing so.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #260 (isolation #42) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:40 am

I generally lynch people who I find scummy.

Do you generally defend wildcards?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #266 (isolation #43) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:25 am

In post 264, Flubbernugget wrote:
His straw grasps don't come off as genuine

He's also selective with his inquisitions

Examples? With explanations for why it's coming from scum would be great as well.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #274 (isolation #44) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:22 pm

Bulba, can I interest you in a Flubber vote?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #281 (isolation #45) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:28 am

Xay, can I interest you in a Flubber vote?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #283 (isolation #46) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:32 am

Not much more, no. Do you understand his read and why it is strong enough for him to have left his vote on Bulba this long?

Also, has he provided anything else outside of his Bulba read?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #285 (isolation #47) » Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:09 am

I do not.

OK, can you vote him then because looking over your ISO I don't know why you're voting for Yuri?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #308 (isolation #48) » Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:24 am

Bulba, why did you leave the Flubber wagon?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #310 (isolation #49) » Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:29 am

How so?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #312 (isolation #50) » Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:45 am

Oh, I didn't realise only town can provide reads-lists.

My bad.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #314 (isolation #51) » Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:56 am

OK, outside of the reads-list that anyone can produce; how has he been towning it up?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #316 (isolation #52) » Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:04 am

Took him a long time to realise that though didn't it...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #323 (isolation #53) » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:24 pm

Damn, I haven't opened my eyes yet, post later when I'm awake.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #333 (isolation #54) » Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:10 am

FG, can you expand on that Flubber town read?

Runner, are you still scum reading Esp or not? You should absolutely vote Flubber and I'm kind of surprised your last post didn't end up with a vote for him.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #339 (isolation #55) » Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:46 am

What don't you like about them Bulba?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #370 (isolation #56) » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:15 pm

In post 363, Runner wrote:
I'm kind of surprised your post didn't answer my question on whether or not you explained your unvote on FG - if you didn't, then how about now?

Umm, nah. It's not really important - sometimes reads change.

I'd be much more interested in you explaining why your vote didn't follow your post.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #371 (isolation #57) » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:16 pm

In post 288, Espeonage wrote:
I am currently against lynching anyone other than yuri, but I think thatthis could be a good situation for pressure.

This feels...narrow?

What is your read on Flubber?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #373 (isolation #58) » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:36 pm

I don't believe I have played with you before? What games were they?

You are tunneling pretty bad and you're now using that as reasoning to not provide reads on anyone else. Which means, should Yuri flip town, you start D2 with a clean state and a fresh start.

I don't like that.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #375 (isolation #59) » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:54 pm

In post 374, Espeonage wrote:Ok look, I've already gone over that flub is a gut town read. I thinkit's tonal, I got asked about it earlier and answered. I've been pretty vocal about bulb being town and gray is making a lot of good lines therefore they both seem town.

Fakegod asked for time I see no real reason to not give it to him when I have a perfectly solid scum read I am trying to lynch, Xay has been solid, nothing to complain about there, Runner and you the jury is out on but I don't really care at this point because after yuri flips we can use relational tells to catch the last scum so it doesn't even matter.

Does that satisfy you? And will you now lynch the scum? Because currently your argument of what is yuri flips town is not relevant to me because she is not going to flip town.

Gut town reads just don't do it for me when we're 15 pages into a game, if you can't explain it then it shouldn't exist. Can I assume you're town reading FG because you kind of glazed over him?

I mean, just because you seem convinced that Yuri is scum that doesn't mean that's what she'll flip. Further, it also doesn't mean that you can use this reasoning to just ignore other people until D2. Again, if Yuri flips town you just say 'Oh shit, time to reset' and I just hate that. The conviction you're trying to portray feels over done; I'm having trouble putting into words why it's bugging me.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #378 (isolation #60) » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:55 pm

Yeah, no.

VOTE: Esp

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #380 (isolation #61) » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:59 pm

A bit of both.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #420 (isolation #62) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:55 am

In post 418, Flubbernugget wrote:Esp's tunnel bothers me

Reason being?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #421 (isolation #63) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:56 am

In post 414, Runner wrote:
BBT what do you think Yuriko will flip?

Town.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #422 (isolation #64) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:57 am

In post 389, Xayzeck wrote:I think Esp and Gray are pretty solid townreads for me rn

What r u doing bbt

I'm voting scum.

What are you doing?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #423 (isolation #65) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:58 am

In post 403, Bulbazoor wrote:Yuri seems town. Is this her usual scum game?

In light of this, what do you think about Esp's tunnel on her?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #424 (isolation #66) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:59 am

LOL, scrap the above post.

I see Bulba changed his mind quite rapidly.

That should probably be accompanied with an explanation.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #426 (isolation #67) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:00 am

In post 412, GrayFoxxxx wrote:Yuri is my second scum read, anyone against me hammering?

Why are you scum reading her again? For wanting to go along with FG's no lynch plan?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #428 (isolation #68) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:02 am

OK, but you've now changed your mind and think you understand why he is doing it?

I wouldn't mind an explanation...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #432 (isolation #69) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:07 am

So he can enter D2 with a clean slate if Yuri flips town.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #433 (isolation #70) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:07 am

My bad. Did I say that out loud? Was meant to think it, not type it...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #435 (isolation #71) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:26 am

Basically he arrives at D2 with no reads and no prior posting on anybody but you.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #441 (isolation #72) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:40 am

I'm not moving off of Esp.

Even more so after his 'self-vote' bullshit. You think that holds any weight at all? Furthermore, if you're both town it's dumb as fuck. You understand that, right?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #443 (isolation #73) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:51 am

Sorry what?

I must not have been reading because I didn't a) see that happen or b) see you accuse Yuri of doing that.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #446 (isolation #74) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:56 am

In post 256, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I agree that her back off from scum hunting and resorting to the no lynch plan was scummy.

Other than that, I don't really get your issue.

I clearly misunderstood what you were saying in 255.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #448 (isolation #75) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:04 am

Yeah, I don't see why that makes her scum. Like, help me out here.

She cuts your post down to the part that she wants to respond to. I do that all the time...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #479 (isolation #76) » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:19 am

In post 476, Espeonage wrote:Doc can confirm someone as town if no one died.

This.

VOTE: Esp

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #482 (isolation #77) » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:24 am

Because we would have confirmed town plus a cop result - which would mean 4 conf town (The doc, whoever he protected, the cop and the cops result)

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #484 (isolation #78) » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:25 am

I doubt scum no killed - doc might have saved cop inno. Fair point.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #488 (isolation #79) » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:48 am

In post 486, Flubbernugget wrote:We also don't know if cop was role blocked

Also a good point.

Forget what I said - outing Today is dumb.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #489 (isolation #80) » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:48 am

Flubber, thoughts on Esp?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #505 (isolation #81) » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:19 am

In post 502, FakeGod wrote:
It also looks like Bulb townsiipped.

Huh?

In post 504, FakeGod wrote:
Esp lynch is almost certainly the play today.

Agreed. Why no vote?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #508 (isolation #82) » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:26 am

Help me out FG.

I'm 5. Go.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #515 (isolation #83) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:16 am

In post 512, Runner wrote:Ugh. Something about Yuriko's final post (before hammer) didn't sit right with me but I thought against last minute unvoting since I reckoned it was just a play. Wish Gray didn't hammer so soon, didn't even give her time to claim.

I don't see why Esp is the obvious play today?

Well, that's a scummy post.

VOTE: Esp

Runner can go next.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #516 (isolation #84) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:17 am

Also, you know as well as I do that's easily fakeable FG.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #517 (isolation #85) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:17 am

In fact, if my memory serves me correctly, I was scum the last time I played this set-up and I didn't even realize we had a factional role block.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #518 (isolation #86) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:21 am

Maybe not, checked the game and I used the role-block.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #527 (isolation #87) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:49 am

That's L-1.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #541 (isolation #88) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:48 am

In post 533, Runner wrote:Well, it seems as though it doesn't matter since you all seem fixed on ending this day quickly with a Esp lynch. Whatever. I'm not hammering.

I'm really not liking Runner's posts this DP at all. Distance more?

Runner, can you elaborate on your Esp town read please?

Esp, where are you going with FG? Why is he looking bad?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #543 (isolation #89) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:53 am

That's bad because?

I feel you're going into WIFOM territory...is this really your strongest read right now?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #545 (isolation #90) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:58 am

Thoughts on Runner?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #547 (isolation #91) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:06 am

I agree that FG is reserved - his lack of scum hunting is concerning me. It also concerns me that he helped you push that Yuri wagon and is now lynching you because of it. Actually, now that I think about it I don't like FG at all this game.

UNVOTE:

What do you mean 'left field' and who is WK'ing you?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #549 (isolation #92) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:13 am

Flub is WK'ing you?

I saw Runner's distancing from your wagon as a scum claim. I'm interested in his town read on you.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #551 (isolation #93) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:18 am

That wasn't convincing...

What about his D1 play was solid? Which posts in particular? The gambit is WIFOM - scum!Esp might do that because why would scum put their life on the line? Town!Esp would do it because of his conviction in his read and to gain people on the wagon he believes in. Town reading Esp based on his 'gambit' is poor.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #568 (isolation #94) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:31 pm

Catching up later.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #572 (isolation #95) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:31 am

In post 553, Espeonage wrote:All right, lets go

Vote: Fakegod

I'm interested in this.

In post 557, Bulbazoor wrote:VOTE: Runner
Is next?

In post 559, Bulbazoor wrote:VOTE: espe
Are you a jester?

Somebody help me read this guy.

In post 566, Runner wrote:
From the way you're talking it's unlikely you're ever going to be convinced. I've said why he's a townread and if it seems 'poor' to you then so be it. I'm not completely disregarding a possible gambit. I'm suggesting it's far more likely it's not a gambit and we'd be better served looking for scum.

Honestly right now you can do whatever since it's clear the only thing I've done is just confuse the momentum of this day, the pace of which has slowed a lot since everyone was gunning for the Esp lynch, or at least it feels like it. Maybe our best shot is to just move on and hope cop survives with his results.

I mean, I'm trying to engage you and I'm asking you to explain why you think Esp is town and you're coming up blank? Like, I'm not even voting Esp anymore so your viewpoint makes very little sense to me.

OK, so let's forget about the gambit; what's your read on Esp and why?

Can you elaborate on what you mean by 'our best shot is to just move on'?

In post 569, Xayzeck wrote:
But i'm generally leaning towards scumespe based on how he's been reacting to FG, i feel like he's kinda testing the waters, and if he's town to legitimately thinks FG is scum I kind of expect him to just push that like he's done for yuriko. he's pretty aware of his position as is and he claims himself that he should leave the game this game day or the next, but if anything his pushes on FG feel like self preservation, which I do not expect from town espe given his position.

I'm feeling the opposite; if Esp was scum do you think he would push FG of all people? There are easier lynches for him to push for 'self-preservation'.

Do you disagree that FG has not been scum hunting? What is your current read on FG?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #573 (isolation #96) » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:32 am

VOTE: FG

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #595 (isolation #97) » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:13 am

In post 576, Flubbernugget wrote:
I don't see this fg wagon at all

VOTE: esp l-1

Is that the only reason for you vote on Esp? If not, elaborate.

In post 579, FakeGod wrote:
What's actually interesting is BBT being the strongest proponent of making sure you don't get away with life gamble on d1, only to flip and vote to let you get away with it on d2, but hey, that particular read flip works in your favor, so obviously you don't go around questioning it.

Taking Esp's bad gambit out of the equation - how are you reading Esp?

In post 584, FakeGod wrote:
Life gambling is one of the
MOST ANTI-TOWN
moves you can make as a town, and it should be
ONLY
used when you're
ABSOLUTELY SURE BEYOND ANY SHADOW OF DOUBT
that you are correct in your read.

You should have been utterly
DEVASTATED
by Yuriko town flip. You should have been absolutely crushed, and literally start begging for mercy and forgiveness first post d2.

Sooooo you're PL'ing Esp then?

In post 588, FakeGod wrote:Sigh.

Unvote

This is interesting. Why the change in read?

In post 591, Runner wrote:dodge.

I'd still lynch this.

In post 592, Xayzeck wrote:
Is FG a particularly hard lynch to go for? I remember nothing much significant from him D1, except for his read on Bulba. I wouldn't say he hasn't been scumhunting, but given that he's played a pretty reserved D1 I'm not seeing how it isn't a viable lynch for scum espe.

Currently it's a town lean, I honestly haven't paid him much attention

I think FG would be the most difficult player to lynch in the game, yes. Right, so you agree that FG has done very little? What he has done is provided theory on D1, sheeped Esp onto Yuriko and then lambasted Esp for using such poor methods to drive through a wagon (a wagon FG was on, no less). I would very much say that FG has done no scum hunting.

I would just love to hear why you're town reading him.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #622 (isolation #98) » Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:02 pm

Prodge.

Will get to this later today hopefully.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #623 (isolation #99) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:47 am

In post 598, Flubbernugget wrote:@bbt I don't like his tunnel yesterday and I just see it as a plan to get to 5p lylo

I agree, the tunneling was bad. That was also my main problem with him but his posting today felt town; I also didn't like FG's position on him.

In post 602, FakeGod wrote:I want a BBT lynch.

Sweet. Let's talk.

In post 603, FakeGod wrote:Game progression so far would make perfect sense with BBT being scum.

Sweet. Let's talk.

In post 607, FakeGod wrote:Thanks.

I claim cop.

Results?

In post 618, Espeonage wrote:Actually, of the people that aren't dead Xay, myself and BBT were the only decent targets.

Disagree, it would make no sense for you to be targeted after D1. Myself and Xay would have been the obvious choices I think.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #624 (isolation #100) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:20 am

UNVOTE:

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #626 (isolation #101) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:34 am

Lies.

VOTE: FG

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #627 (isolation #102) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:35 am

Oh, I see what's happening here.

UNVOTE:

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #630 (isolation #103) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:38 am

Oh, that's not what I thought was happening. Looks like somebody picked up on the same thing that I did.

That was a really bad choice from you as well.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #631 (isolation #104) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:38 am

You wanna explain that vote or are we just gonna lol and vote people?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #633 (isolation #105) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:39 am

I did. Didn't you say you expected me to die N1?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #637 (isolation #106) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:49 am

I don't know.

I think Esp, Xay and you are town.

That leaves Flubber, Bulba and Runner. Flubber hasn't really done anything to ping me either way except his early stance on Bulba, Bulba is nigh on impossible for me to read so I'm gonna sheep my town reads if they think he is scum. I already said I disliked Runner's recent posting and I think this is our best bet for scum;

VOTE: Runner

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:43 pm

In post 639, FakeGod wrote:
Runner, I am leaning town on you

How are you leaning town on Runner?

BlueBloodedToffee · Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:44 pm

In post 638, Runner wrote:
FG, do you really have no result? Finding it hard to believe you'd out just to poke at BBT.

You're disputing his claim?

BlueBloodedToffee · Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:19 am

In post 654, FakeGod wrote:We lynch BBT today.

Let's talk about this really bad idea that you have.

Let's also talk about your Runner read.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #677 (isolation #110) » Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:10 am

In post 662, FakeGod wrote:Unless there is a chance that I can convince you to self-vote, I don't think any discussion between me and you is going to be productive.

That's not happening. But let's try anyway.

In post 666, FakeGod wrote:
Unless you value your own survival over lynching your scumreads?

I do indeed value my own survival over anyone elses.

In post 668, FakeGod wrote:By the way, if it's the case where Esp was actually scum and you are town, please do realize that the resulting game loss is on you, since your read reversal saved Esp's life in early d2.

How is it? That's bullshit.

Your play has been appalling. You sheeped Esp onto Yuriko D1 and then tried to BLAME that lynch solely on Esp in an attempt to get him lynched. If anyone loses this game for town; it's you.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #678 (isolation #111) » Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:13 am

Xay, you should vote Runner.

FG, you should explain why you're town reading Runner.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #701 (isolation #112) » Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:36 am

In post 697, Espeonage wrote:
Unvote, Vote: Xay

Okays time to hold the turnaround from day 1 accountable.

Umm, no. Let's no do that. Has your read on Runner changed?

In post 699, Runner wrote:UNVOTE:

Wondering what you mean by 'turnaround'?

Your vote on Flubber didn't last long...did it have anything behind it or was it for show?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #703 (isolation #113) » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:07 am

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #705 (isolation #114) » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:19 am

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #707 (isolation #115) » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:23 am

VOTE: Runner

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #710 (isolation #116) » Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:34 am

Flubber, can you join Runner wagon?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #712 (isolation #117) » Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:56 am

Flubber is scum because conf town voted him?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #724 (isolation #118) » Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:20 pm

In post 715, Runner wrote:
In post 712, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Flubber is scum because conf town voted him?

Saying anything to force my lynch. VOTE: BBT

I am? Here is what you said (I even bolded the part I was specifically referring to for your convenience;

In post 695, Runner wrote:
Flubbernugget – leanscum.
Debated with Gray. Scumread by Gray
. Think I said this before but I didn’t like his switch on Bulb but some posting D1 seemed okay, like in 303 and 305 made me tentative d1. seems to be coasting along this day phase. not sure what case is on me apart from a comment or two I made that didn't mean all that much.

I'd have liked to vote BBT/Flub as the better lynch candidates over Xay. Not that it matters now.

So, I mean, are you saying I'm misrepping or what? I don't get it...

In post 718, Bulbazoor wrote:I find it strange he hasnt been arguing against meta about him though.

This is bad for a couple of reasons; a) I'm pretty sure this is the first time anyone has mentioned meta of me and b) why would I argue AGAINST being town read as either alignment?

In post 723, FakeGod wrote:BBT isn't very sure that Runner is scum either, if you've been paying attention.

I'm not? This is news to me...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #726 (isolation #119) » Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:51 am

No, I was making out that you were using the reasoning that because conf town was scum reading Flubber that that somehow makes him scum. Which is absurd.

Are your other reasons that he is coasting and you don't understand why he is voting you?

If you flip town, I'll just give up.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #730 (isolation #120) » Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:04 pm

Prodge.

Not a lot happening here.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #738 (isolation #121) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:57 am

Come on, this is getting ridiculous.

FG, you should state why I'm scum because you still haven't done so. Runner's reasons for voting me are pretty bad but at least he gave it a go.

Esp, Bulba and whoever replaces Xay need to start doing something.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #740 (isolation #122) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:44 am

Right, but if you allow me the chance to defend myself and show you why you're wrong then, you know, we can actually get to lynching scum.

I smegging hate when people don't explain reads.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #742 (isolation #123) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:31 am

Right. Do you understand how infuriating that is?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #744 (isolation #124) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:36 am

I explained my read though...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #746 (isolation #125) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:38 am

It was, but I still explained what I thought and why I thought it.

Reasons always matter. Are you being obtuse on purpose?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #748 (isolation #126) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:46 am

Yes, I'm saying I can show you why you're wrong and we can lynch scum.

Tell me FG, how would we play this game without reasoning?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #750 (isolation #127) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:52 am

OK, so how does it lend itself to being more likely to come from scum than town?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #752 (isolation #128) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:56 am

Then how can you be scum reading me?

This is getting fucking ridiculous now.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #754 (isolation #129) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:58 am

VOTE: FakeGod

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #757 (isolation #130) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:39 am

I don't even care anymore. Games like this drain my motivation to play Mafia.

It felt good to vote you.

VOTE: Runner

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #759 (isolation #131) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:01 am

Yeah, maybe I should have.

Is it too late to do so now?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #766 (isolation #132) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:30 pm

Hey T S O!

I'm pretty sure your slot is town so if you could vote Runner that would be great.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #775 (isolation #133) » Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:29 am

I don't get it...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #776 (isolation #134) » Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:30 am

In post 728, Jingle wrote:
Vote Count 2.8

Runner (2): BlueBloodedToffee, Flubbernugget,
BlueBloodedToffee (2): FakeGod, Runner,
Xayzeck (1): espeonage
espeonage (0):
FakeGod (0):
Flubbernugget (0):
Bulbazoor (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting (2): Xayzeck, Bulbazoor,

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-08-24 21:00:00).

With 7 alive it is 4 to Lynch or No Lynch.

Prodding Xayzeck.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #778 (isolation #135) » Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:33 am

You should vote Runner then.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #798 (isolation #136) » Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:47 am

Glad my town read on Esp was right. I'm so good.

Esp, we should seriously be lynching Runner.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #800 (isolation #137) » Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:19 am

Yeah, I'm not pushing to lynch you.

You got me.

BlueBloodedToffee · Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:56 am

I too would also be annoyed if my buddy was inactive.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #828 (isolation #139) » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:33 am

This is actually embarrassing.

VOTE: Runner

Can we do this today?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #834 (isolation #140) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:27 am

In post 830, Runner wrote:
I think it goes without saying that I think FakeGod's death was the removal of, as well as the only conftown, a BBT voter but wifom etc etc.

LOL. Yeah, his death had nothing to do with him being cop right?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #835 (isolation #141) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:38 am

Flubber, can you like, do something?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #837 (isolation #142) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:18 am

Really? Is that what we're calling town slips nowadays?

I mean, we could easily delve into WIFOM but I don't think I'll bother.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #840 (isolation #143) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:28 am

He was town yesterday?

That's news to me. I think I have given plenty in this thread for you to be able to gain a read on me.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #843 (isolation #144) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:37 am

I'm going to hate myself forever if you're scum.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #846 (isolation #145) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:49 am

I'm going to trust that I was right and that you're town - but something in the back of my mind is twinging and I don't like it.

Like, I feel like you're here but you're not giving any solid opinion so that you can see which way the wind blows when the rest of the players start posting this DP. If Runner is town, then you just have to sit back, let us fight it out and then wait to see what everyone else does.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #848 (isolation #146) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:51 am

In post 845, Espeonage wrote:In all seriousness though, were I scum I would have bussed the fuck out of my partner as an aside on day one in readiness for day 2 theater after I shoved the yuri lynch through. Because I would have lynched yuri either alignment.

This tells me nothing.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #852 (isolation #147) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:57 am

Xay was pretty town though, T S O is the last person I want to lynch.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #854 (isolation #148) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:03 am

Why is being hypocritical scummy? That's almost as bad as the 'defensiveness is scummy' tell people try to push.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #856 (isolation #149) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:15 am

That first sentence just confused the shit out of me. Can you phrase it another way please?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #857 (isolation #150) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:19 am

Also, I was the person who got Xay off of Yuri. I said I couldn't see his reasoning for voting Yuri so asked if he could join the Flubber wagon and he obliged.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #859 (isolation #151) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:22 am

Which is exactly what FG did sooo...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #885 (isolation #152) » Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:59 pm

I'll be here tonight.

Expect shit to get real.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #912 (isolation #153) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:06 am

Prodge - sorry guys, super busy at this time of the year.

I think I have some free time tomorrow night - I'll get to this then.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #914 (isolation #154) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 5:06 am

I just did a whole lot of reading and I just can't do anymore.

I swear I'll get to this game as priority tomorrow. Maybe later tonight.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #925 (isolation #155) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:02 pm

Hey, looking to have some spare time tonight so making this priority.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #933 (isolation #156) » Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:41 pm

In post 883, Runner wrote:BBT/Flubber/You are my scumreads. I'm leaning towards Flubber being the non-scum in that list but I'm not sure yet. It'd be a dream if he (or BBT, but I doubt that) claimed doc since it'd mean the other two were the scum.

Looking forward to you explaining why you think I'm scum. Same for T S O.

In post 890, Runner wrote:
BBT-XaySO scumteam all along.

Sweet. Now explain.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #934 (isolation #157) » Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:48 pm

In post 923, Aj The Epic wrote:
We have confirmed town Flubber. I think my slot was copped?

I cut that quote down too short and I can't be bothered to fix it - was meant to include the reasoning you thought you had been copped.

It's an awful assumption to make though. FG said that he had been blocked...or did you miss that?

However, 930 is a good post and now I need to reread Xay/T S O because it doesn't seem like scum!AJ would attack scum!Runner like that in LyLo.

VOTE: Runner

I'll get around to explaining why he's scum as soon as I can.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #935 (isolation #158) » Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:27 pm

OK, so the major reason for Runner being scum was his distancing from the Esp lynch (533). Esp was lynch-bait D2 due to his D1 play and the aggressiveness of FG's push on him - I actually think scum would have been more likely to avoid his wagon and let town push him.

His explanation for this read in 550 was weak. I responded to his reasoning in 551 stating my problems with it. He gave up on the exchange and started acting like I was being completely unreasonable (despite the fact that I had unvoted Esp and was open to talking about him). Runner then goes on to state he was close to hammering Esp himself (620). What. The. Fuck.

Basically, his whole line and read progression around Esp and his wagon feels off to me - he doesn't really fight the wagon to save someone he is town reading. He just kind of states he is against it and then moves on without doing much else about it (before eventually doing the full circle of 'I don't know what my reads are' and stating he was close to hammering Esp).

After this, he does minor things like lacking conviction in his reads/votes. He gives reads (I always find unprompted reads list like these scummy, it's LAMIST, especially when he then tries to point people towards his LAMIST post 711) and explains why Flub is scum in 695, votes him in 698, and unvotes him in 699. He claims he was voting Flubber for show because he thought his hammer was imminent. More weak bullshit - trying to portray conviction in his reads which had been sorely lacking to that point.

715 is where he first seems to think I am scum...and it's 100% OMGUS. I mean, look at what he quoted when he voted me.

We have a brief interaction in 724-726 (which people should read) and that was it. Again, I was trying to engage him and again he was cutting me short - despite apparently scum reading me.

Votes on Runner please.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #951 (isolation #159) » Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:43 am

Thanks AJ!

That was a good game but I think town tore itself apart really - I can't believe T S O coasted the way he did and got away with it. It needs to happen more often though - then people will start lynching lurkers/inactive players.

Overall, it was a decent game but suffered with some seriously apathetic moments.

Thanks for modding Jingle!

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #954 (isolation #160) » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:24 pm

Don't worry about it Jingle, modding was fine

Everyone makes mistakes and I don't think it had that much of an effect on the game.