Micro 532: Anything UPick! (Day1)

[Davsto]

I'm just gonna park my vote here for now.

VOTE: Vedith

[Davsto]

This is a friendly reminder not to kill me if this game is super swingy (it is).

oh man

this game is just gonna be bananas.

also, why Comic Sans ;-;

[Davsto]

But the first person pushing the wagon is usually town, so Bulge jumped in for oportunism

Vote: Bulge

Serious vote here or not?

[Davsto]

But the first person pushing the wagon is usually town, so Bulge jumped in for oportunism

Vote: Bulge

Serious vote here or not?

How about you tell me what you think it is and why. I have more fun figuring out what you're thinking that way.

Me explaining further tells you which answer is the "safe" answer. Please tell me whether that vote was a serious vote or an un-serious vote.

[Davsto]

Hint: Luna never RVS's

okay, thanks

Davsto is town because 2 ppl decided to jump onto him for disagreeing about font tastes (spoilers: i like comic sans)

But the first person pushing the wagon is usually town, so Bulge jumped in for oportunism

Vote: Bulge

VOTE: Luna Fox for taking a pair of obvious joke votes seriously enough to vote.

[Davsto]

okay so notscience cares about everything about as much as David Cameron cares about poor people.

[Davsto]

V! O! T! E! Lynch some scum and vote with me! \o/
VOTE: Luna Fox

I'm totally feeling you Davsto gurlfrand, 19 like totally hits the nail on the head. I'm getting freaky vibes from Luna too, ugh she's just so like unnatural!

okay I see you like partying so I'ma gonna give you some flags~~

Spoiler: flaaaggg

[Davsto]

@Luna I agree with you. I just needed reasons and no, I don't think seriously voting someone on page 1 is a legit scumtell.

Voting seriously early? That's fine. Voting seriously because someone parroted a stupid joke? Now that is scummy.

[Davsto]

as my vote is intended there anyway

^
Possibly scum excuse here, scum have more tendency to have static reads over dynamic ones. Feels like one of those "Oh hey look i have been scumreading her so this is obviously not clashing with any reads i have had"

um

no

what it was is he didn't want to vote to put you at L-1, but since someone removed their vote he put it on because he was no longer putting it at L-1. That's not scummy. That's sensibility.

[Davsto]

@Luna I agree with you. I just needed reasons and no, I don't think seriously voting someone on page 1 is a legit scumtell.

Voting seriously early? That's fine. Voting seriously because someone parroted a stupid joke? Now that is scummy.

>Stupid Joke
Why do you think that "Stupid Joke" was their reasons for voting?
People in RVS have only the information given by their Role PM, and they will act in instinct as such, the act of Parroting was made with scum motivation due to a player they know to be town. I can seriously believe that you would think that you can joke throughout RVS and get any sort of information when everyone will just say "Oh but it was just a joke why are you taking it seriously"

Meh, at this point im just repeating myself, my argument has been made, i am scumhunting, you are just voting playstyles you dont like.

P-Edit: That was directed at Davsto

Okay, so what you're saying is that any player who is the second vote on any other player is totally scum?

Yeh

thought so

My silly "Comic Sans" joke was bound to draw RVS votes.

The point you're trying to make is that "people can go back and say it's just a joke" but it was a joke

while they made it

and is very clear about this, thus you've sorta hit a (il)logical wall.

[Davsto]

Im so certain, that you wont find any scum motivation on my actions, that i'll even dare to say that if you find one single scum motivation for my actions that are clearly more beneficial to scum me as opposed to other possible actions i could have taken at that point in time, i'll self vote and let you guys speed lynch me.

okay

How about by trying to start a wagon on town and trying to appear townie for having the "first serious post" in the game and trying to move the game along?

[Davsto]

Look, you made an absolutely bullshit push on someone Page 1.

I know it was bullshit, you know it was bullshit, so does everyone else.

That is enough to make me scumread you.

[Davsto]

2) RVS wagons never lead to a lynch unless the wagoned scumslips or something, it's a perfectly safe spot for scum to be in.

It looks to me like you're saying that anyone who takes part in RVS is scum. This is the stupidest thing I've heard.

[Davsto]

2) RVS wagons never lead to a lynch unless the wagoned scumslips or something, it's a perfectly safe spot for scum to be in.

It looks to me like you're saying that anyone who takes part in RVS is scum. This is the stupidest thing I've heard.

This is misrepresentantion.
I said that it's easier for scum to blend in RVS, than push the way i was pushing, do you disagree?

But when you're using that as a reason to scumread someone it is utter bollocks.

[Davsto]

But when you're using that as a reason to scumread someone it is utter bollocks.

Parroting and opportunism are the reasons im scumreading someone.
Not RVS wagoning, I already went through this.

There is no opertunism because there is no opertunity. If scum wanted to stay hidden in RVS they'd vote literally anyone, same as town. So the only other opertunity would be a myslynch, which wont happen in RVS. So your argument, adjusted for logic, is "he told the same joke as pepto"



Explain to me how that is good scumhunting, cause I don't get it.

QFTTTTTTTT and T

[Davsto]

Also, @Luna. Why do you think that scum would do such a risky move? Why would, in your opinion, anyone that forms a wagon in RVS is likely to be scum.
To me it's more of a way to push the game, like what you did.
Also, saying that it's 'opportunism' doesn't cut it. Forming wagons in RVS isn't really a scumtell for me.

It's not about the wagon per se, it's RVSing for the exact same reason on the exact same person, it's not a risky move because scum will just say "Bah that was just RVS you're reading too much into it", which is why im saying that i always take RVS seriously, otherwise RVS is pointless. When you sheep someone onto a wagon for their exact same reason it counts as opportunism imo, as i said tho, it's not that strong of a read that Bulge is like 100% scum and i'll push him with the holy fire of justice.
It's enough of a Page 1 read to push for more info tho, specially with the OMGUS reaction taken.
Or do you think that voting seriously onto someone at page 1 is a legit reason to be scumread?

okay so your point here is...

People who parrot RVS votes are scummy. I'm not sure about you, but I was more than expecting multiple people to RVS me for the Comic Sans comment. What motivation would scum have for this? How do scum benefit from having one more vote on a wagon that isn't going to reach lynch because it's goddamn RVS?

[Davsto]

I believe the claim. I believe you may be a Tracker.

But Tracker can be Scum, too. Hence, I'm keeping my vote.

[Davsto]

Pretty sure this game isn't bastard. Going for those first couple of posts being crumbing/softclaiming of a sort.

[Davsto]

Here, it's obvious this game isn't going to progress unless i die so go ahead
VOTE: Luna

Keep that self-vote there too long and it'll stick.

[Davsto]

I'm pretty sure you're scum, but I would hate if I didn't ask this question and you dieded.

Top scumreads, who, why?

[Davsto]

Top scumreads, who, why?

Bulge, i already explained why.

scumread

s

plural

Any others? Or am I gonna start considering it ironic that you accuse us of tunneling?

[Davsto]

UNVOTE:

Do I still want Luna lynched? Yeah. But we've really, really, really not been playing long enough for there to be a lynch yet. It's been less than 48 hours for a 9-day deadline.

I'd like to see other players' reactions to this whole thing.

Shorter days are bad, longer days are good.
The former benefit scum by allowing them to not actually post much and thus skip over associatives, while the latter allows conversation, whatever and the like, forever and forever.

[Davsto]

Oh right, after making me depressed NOW you realize that scum could be hiding elsewhere.
Sigh...


I don't even know what to say anymore

Unvote
Vote: Bulge

nononono

I still think you're scum.

There's just more than one. Getting more interaction and stuff helps us to find the other in the future days. Or, in the off chance that you are town, it helps us find the scum in future days.

[Davsto]

Oh right, after making me depressed NOW you realize that scum could be hiding elsewhere.
Sigh...


I don't even know what to say anymore

Unvote
Vote: Bulge

nononono

I still think you're scum.

There's just more than one. Getting more interaction and stuff helps us to find the other in the future days. Or, in the off chance that you are town, it helps us find the scum in future days.

So what will you do when I flip town?
Say "OH WELL SHE WAS SCUMMY SO YEAH"
Yeah no.

This is why.

I hate being scumread for silly reasons and tunneled to the point where people just see me with scum painted glasses instead of looking at my expolanations. They just don't put any effort into actually reading me and then when i flip town, they blame it on me, i've experienced 50+ mislynches to know that this is what's going to happen.

Please stop AtEing and concentrate on trying to find other scum today. Also, stop threatening to self-hammer or I will physically stop you from doing so.

[Davsto]

Okay, let me say something for today.

Everyone, stop trying to go after Luna. She's probably scum. We'll lynch her at the end of the day unless something more obvious comes up. However, insistence on going after her when we have almost 8 days and there are a bunch of people we

haven't

looked at will make my fingers slowly start to type your name within the vote tags.

Got it?

[Davsto]

Through he mentions this he hasn't made any effort to hunt outside of luna since he unvoted her and told her that he would hunt her for latter. His basically telling everyone else to do one thing that they should already be doing while not doing it himself.

VOTE: Davsto

So basically I'm scummy for...what, not being a constant thread presence? Yeh.

Also, I never said I was townreading Bulge - but when a wagon is started on someone for absolutely bollocks reasons, isn't it fair to assume that it's scum on town?

Also, you say I'm not trying to push anyone but Luna but take a look and you'll see that I was the one who decided that, rather than going crazy on Luna, to look through other people during the day.

I was literally the first person who suggested we go look at other people.

Scum!Davsto would push that easy lynch until the cows come home, since it stops town getting as much info.

[Davsto]

Actually i was the first one to suggest it, but everyone ignored it and kept overfocusing on me.

Someone being wagoned asking for concentration on other people is practically a given because whether scum or town they do not want to be lynched. People on said wagon asking for concentration on other people is decently more significant.

Anyway, I'ma go find other scum. Gonna read through the (minimal) ISOs of other people in a bit and see what I can pick up on.

[Davsto]

Meanwhile notscience has been avoiding this thread and it's a known meta scumtell of his.
Oh wait im the one who said that
OMG SO IM TRYING TO GET A MISLYNCH!

Have you heard of Strawmanning? This is what you are doing. Please stop.

[Davsto]

Asking for towncred for being the first when you weren't the first is what im talking about.

I'm not asking for towncred for it.

I'm saying that making the point that I'm scum for focusing on you just after I have, in fact, told everyone to start looking elsewhere for now is utter crap.

[Davsto]

What do all the posts I quoted have in common?

Hint: All of his have the same thing in common

Hint: even more reason to lynch the fuck out of him

oh jesus wept

please tell me you don't have to quote every fucking post with a vote in it

[Davsto]

Yes.

I do.

He clearly does too.

And like I said, odds are one of us (read: him) is scum.

ehhhhh

you're trying to outguess the mod in a UPick setup.

I'll see if Bulge actually makes any other posts and how I read them, independent of this whole malarky.

[Davsto]

oh btw

notscience is some sort of teenage boy, Bulge is teenage girl.

See the "ugh i don't care" attitude juxtaposed against the "wooo! cheerleading! emoticons!" attitude.

[Davsto]

pedit-

I'm a band fuck that shit

aww

I tried tho

[Davsto]

I try to outguess the mod in upicks all the time.

For instance, touhou upick 1 where I said there was no way the hated were both town

hint; I was right

pedit-

I'm a band fuck that shit

Neat, I'll keep this in mind. On the other hand, I'll see.

[Davsto]

smooth.

[Davsto]

There is nothing alignment indicative in his posting.

There is alignment indicative in (correctly) outguessing the mod.

Nice nitpick though.

Reason I'm waiting for reads:

Who's to say you're not the scum in the pair?

[Davsto]

Me.

Excuse me if I don't take your word for it.

I'll wait for day to develop, read some shit, before I jump on this teeny tiny thread of stuff which could be indicative of the alignment of either of you.

PEdit that too a tiny bit but seriously I'm thinking both are town over both are scum. I wanna base it on reads over some setup spec-y bollocks based on two players having a similar post restriction.

[Davsto]

And you're assuming my spec isn't evidence.

Cool, Bulge/Pepto scumteam

This game was easy.

Mmkay

So explain exactly why someone disagreeing with your read makes them scum?

[Davsto]

Can you see any redeeming reason in bulge's ISO that would warrant this chainsaw from pepto?

Do you see anything in Bulge's ISO that warrants scumreading him outside of this silly setup spec?

I know I shouldn't answer a question with a question but when we're barely a few days in and he has literally 7 posts so saying that "there's nothing in there townie so he must be scum" is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Also, show me where this vote and suspicion is on you for you to call it a Chainsaw Defence because as far as I see he's just saying that your read is kinda silly.

[Davsto]

Look at Ere's three posts.

I think it's fair to say that they haven't made any alignment indicative posts, right? You can't honestly expect a player to be obviously aligned within 7 posts.

I can't say why he "avoided commenting on anything else" because I'm not psychic, but my guess is it wasn't intentional, just at the time the whole Luna thing was sort of, you know, the biggest thing there.


ftr your insistence of this setup spec is townleany imo because scum!science would totally be avoiding this because he would probably know that he'd be the next to be lynched if Bulge flipped town (yeh that whole "what if you're the scum" was more a rhetoric than anything else), but I think it's wrong.

I tend to avoid reading into setup-spec unless it's something like "look town have 7 supercool power roles apparently while all scum have flipped Goons so I think it's fair to say one of these supercool power roles is lying and is actually the scum." I prefer action and reading reads.

pity i suck at them then

[Davsto]

Obvious alt is obvious and is being ignored.

you don't say

[Davsto]

> Tetaes is posting a lot

> 5 posts

Does not compute.

[Davsto]

Obvious alt is obvious and is being ignored.

smart posts =/= posting a lot.

Ene is playing the newbie card

hard

here, and whether they're an alt or not I dislike it.

[Davsto]

L-2, going by the looks of it.

[Davsto]

Meh, I'm not super feeling this wagon because we got 5 days left but I can see the logic behind it. Also kinda looks like Bulge is basically flaking because no post for almost 48 hours, so I don't see much happening on that front. I'm fine with it.

VOTE: Bulge

L-1.

[Davsto]

Meh, I'm not super feeling this wagon because we got 5 days left but I can see the logic behind it. Also kinda looks like Bulge is basically flaking because no post for almost 48 hours, so I don't see much happening on that front. I'm fine with it.

VOTE: Bulge

L-1.

I don't care!

VOTE: the bulge

I love it!

[Davsto]

Do you not need to quote your own votes?

Surely any post is quoting oneself?

[Davsto]

Well the hammer happened

while i was on a bus.

Obvs scumslip, Luna+Pepto scumteam confirmed I win guys can I have a cookie

[Davsto]

Anyway it's like 11:30PM here so I need to get the hell to sleep, looking forwards to seeing the flip tomorrow.

[Davsto]

To be fair though, that was largely Bulge's fault, he basically did fuckall, let's face it.

Good game, gotta admit the setup was kinda unbalanced but oh well, it was fun until I got NKed and my Role PM was incredible, slightly sad I didn't get to yell inthread to force someone to keep their vote somewhere

Are you gonna post night actions/Role PMs?

[Davsto]

Also, scum PT plz

[Davsto]

Posting Role PM inthread for Wiki reasons (because seriously I'm not putting "Off-Duty Czechoslovakian Traffic Warden (Ascetic 2-Shot Vote Locker Banana Vendor)" in one line in my wiki page).

[Davsto]

Welcome!

You are an

Off-Duty Czechoslovakian Traffic Warden

, aligned with the

Town

.

~ Abilities ~

Off-Duty

— You're Off-Duty. You're not even on the job, man. During the night, all actions that target you other than kills will fail. [Ascetic]

Czechoslovakian

— There's... really nothing I can do with this. But you're Czechoslovakian! So, that's cool!

Traffic Warden

— You're a Traffic Warden. You hate... people who don't park correctly. People who don't vote park correctly? TWICE during the game, you may post

I, THE TRAFFIC WARDEN, COMMAND YOU, <name of player of your choice> TO PARK

in thread. That player's vote will be locked on whatever they are currently voting (they must be voting, you may not use this on people who are Not Voting) for the rest of that day phase. They will not be able to move their vote in any way. VOTE:

But In Reality

— You're just a banana. Robots can't lie. Every night, you may choose to give someone a banana. [Banana Fruit Vendor]

~ Win Condition ~

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Here is the game thread. Please confirm via PM by stating your role name.

[/font]

[Davsto]

You should all also totally watch the scene my Pick came from

[Davsto]

Right, hm.

I'd be careful about that. Checking they're online and hammering then is fine but that saying hi to them to let them know that you're online is really, really borderline on breaking the rule. I'd avoid that in future, if I were you. A lot of mods have "play in the spirit of the rules rather than the exact word" and this is very much pushing that.

[Davsto]

Good. I'd seriously recommend not doing it.

[Davsto]

Bump to see if Bins can release role PMs and dead thread