Micro 531: Everything Is A Lie Mafia (Game Over)

[Davsto]

inb4 everything is actually true and wgeurts just feeds off paranoia.

[Davsto]

Wait shit is that votecount a lie oh I'm gonna cry

[Davsto]

I'm scared to RVS because in this setup I feel like someone's gonna explode if I vote them so I'm just gonna stay away kthnx.

[Davsto]

@mod - just a curious question, if an Insane Cop were to inspect a Miller, what would you give the result as?

[Davsto]

So am I hated or some shit?

Yeh you are but that's irrelevant in context to the game.

(i'm joking sorry mario ily)

[Davsto]

pick up muffincake from floor, eat it

[Davsto]

That's not very nice is it? Anyway, it was actually a cupcake.

so what happened?

It's funny because you think he's actually gonna tell you.

[Davsto]

Oh yeh btw because of my role I reckon there's a decent chance one of you will get a message saying "Davsto is scum" so I'm just gonna put that out there.

[Davsto]

Oh yeh btw because of my role I reckon there's a decent chance one of you will get a message saying "Davsto is scum" so I'm just gonna put that out there.

I'm in a neighbourhood

inb4 it's actually a Lover group

Seriously this game is making me so paranoid

Technically my role functions as a Friendly Neighbour but frankly I don't trust the mod enough not to send a message saying I'm scum

I know normally claiming defeats the point but in a game full of lies I honestly don't believe that a Friendly Neighbour is a huge risk in scum's eyes, if anything a message saying I'm town will make town

more

suspicious.

[Davsto]

VC 1.01

You can't lynch the mod sillies.

Obviously a lie

VOTE: wgeurts

[Davsto]

Oh man, interesting mechanic. Need to ask question.

@mod!- say I were to vote Flubbernugget now. What is counted first: my vote or The Council's unvote!?

[Davsto]

oh son of a bitch I missed that Innocent Child thing

this is simultaneously the worst and best game I have ever played.

[Davsto]

I don't trust the mod enough to feel that an Innocent Child would really be scum. I feel like wgeurts would run off our paranoia for something like this, and not be so obvious as to just make an Innocent Child scum. I feel like this is gonna be a nice early-game thing to get out of the way in terms of "yeh, I'm not gonna be so predictable as to lie about everything".

[Davsto]

...and to think I was fairly confident going into this game that I wouldn't let the mod get into my head.

[Davsto]

So Dave do you have any reads

Nah because there have literally only been three pages and I'm not a psychic.

[Davsto]

Okay, so we were wrong about The Counsel.

It appears to move to a random person each VC, with little predictable rhyme or reason. I'm unsure whether or not the vote actually counts, but I recommend we keep everyone away from L-1, to be safe.

[Davsto]

Really hope no-one in this game has a Lynch-All-Liars policy, otherwise Pepto is fucked.

[Davsto]

I don't think the counsel moves randomly, it seems possible to draw the vote - either by voting for whoever currently has it or mentioning them directly.
Also the picture in my PM only loaded the second time I looked at it and gave me some weird advice

I feel that it is either entirely random, or that wgeurts will just shove it onto a player he chooses each time in a way that seems to have a pattern, just to watch us squirm as we figure it out.

[Davsto]

This game needs more activity. Say some shit, guys.

[Davsto]

I'm definitely not waiting for the vote count before moving my vote for some pressure.

If you wanna throw around suspicion without voting, FoS some people man.

[Davsto]

some shit

0/10 forgot the ", guys" part.

[Davsto]

shit u got me better omgus

VOTE: MarioManiac4

[Davsto]

...yeh, pretty sure The Counsel is random.

[Davsto]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Fos this Guy for this post.

I don't think he gets the game solving and just jumped on a vote.

Okay, so you aren't suspicious of this guy and you think he gets the game solving and jumped on a vote?

[Davsto]

Sooooo guyz who should I daycop

Yourself to check the accuracy.

[Davsto]

In all seriousness, if you're actually Day Cop, it basically means fuck all in this setup. Do what you want, no-one will believe you.

[Davsto]

@mod - when players die, how much information do they flip with?

[Davsto]

I have not been informed that opinions are in fact a way to get around the post restriction I don't have.
You should probably forget this when reading my future posts.

Whom you replaced broke the post restriction, yet you are here, alive. I am 99.9% certain your post restriction is a Mod lie. Feel free to say whatever you want.

I reckon there's a good enough risk that the "asked to replace out" was actually a subtle modkill.

[Davsto]

EBWOP: force replace

[Davsto]

@mod - when players die, how much information do they flip with?

Probably their entire role PM.

does this include any lies within said mod PM being clarified?

[Davsto]

Sooooo guyz who should I daycop

In actual actual seriousness, I'd recommend inspecting whomever ends up being the decided lynch today, before the hammer. This should help you if you're Insane Cop, but not help Naive/Paranoid/Random Cop or Millers. However, it helps as much as possible.

[Davsto]

Well that's my advice scuppered.

[Davsto]

For the record, I'm okay with a Mario lynch for entirely non-inspection related reasons. The fact that this will give us some info is entirely irrelevant to me.

[Davsto]

That's Mario at L-1, which could easily be a lynch with The Counsel.

Waywaywaywaywayyyyy too early for a lynch, seriously.

UNVOTE:

[Davsto]

Welp, this was easy

Mario is guilty

VOTE: Mario

Seeing as I'm a fucking mason you need to go take a dip in humble pie
#justsaying

I thought you were in a neighbourhood..?

[Davsto]

Welp, this was easy

Mario is guilty

VOTE: Mario

VOTE: Mario

This will not serve as a sanity check of sorts. Plus, we don't need presure.

Did you even read my post about your post restriction or are you faking it?

As I said, the way that the previous slotholder happened to be replaced out just after breaking said restriction I think it's too much to risk.

Also, it's hardly an obstructive post restriction. All you have to do is eliminate negatives from their posts. Easy.

[Davsto]

Seriously guys can we have a tad more discussion or stuff before quicklynching? Thanks.

[Davsto]

Seriously dude, we have half of the playerlist in a post number which is single digits.

[Davsto]

No we can't, MarioManiac.

VOTE: MarioManiac4

Mario's last few posts have sorta cemented an actual reads-based scumread.

[Davsto]

That was largely because I reckoned there was a good chance you were town.

I no longer believe there is a good chance you are town.

[Davsto]

@mod - when players die, how much information do they flip with?

Probably their entire role PM.

does this include any lies within said mod PM being clarified?

Look at you, expecting the Mod to be helpful. Aren't you cute.

Daykill: Davsto

If this is a serious shot then I'm hoping that my Role PM is a lie because otherwise town is fucked.

I could write a whole eulogy, but it breaks down to this:
I'm town, Prolapsed is probably town regardless of whether this actually does anything, Mario should still be considered lynch-wise, and everyone else should be kept a close eye on.

[Davsto]

Do I have to read the thread because I'm seeing reactions to the fakest gambit in the book from PB of all people

Yeah it's pretty obviously fake (hence the "if this is real") but there's always the slight chance it isn't, so best bet is to go out and say it anyway.

[Davsto]

So... Uhm.

VC 1.00

MarioManiac4 (1):

The Counsel

Not Voting:

shos, Catboi, Prolapsed Brain, Davsto, ConManMick, MarioManiac4, guille2015, Flubbernugget, Parama

With 10 votes, 6 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-09-29 13:04:10)

Notes:

Everyone has (expired on 2015-09-24 13:04:10) to post before getting force-replaced.

Day 1 Begins!

Shos is a Bulletproof Day Cop, aligned with

the Town

.

wat

[Davsto]

The Counsel

may

have a pattern as to why it votes whomever it does.

Frankly, though, it's not worth the effort to figure it out. Just avoid leaving people at L-1 unless you want to lynch them in case the Counsel hammers.

[Davsto]

VC 1.00

MarioManiac4 (1):

The Counsel

Not Voting:

shos, Catboi, Prolapsed Brain, Davsto, ConManMick, MarioManiac4, guille2015, Flubbernugget, Parama

With 10 votes, 6 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-09-29 13:04:10)

Notes:

Everyone has (expired on 2015-09-24 13:04:10) to post before getting force-replaced.

Day 1 Begins!

Shos is a Serial Killer, aligned with

Self

.

gdi

[Davsto]

Guys I have a sane guilty why arent youblistening

I have no probs to 1v1 mario.

I don't really believe it's sane. I'm only voting Mario because I don't like his claim in general.

[Davsto]

VC 1.00

MarioManiac4 (1):

The Counsel

Not Voting:

shos, Catboi, Prolapsed Brain, Davsto, ConManMick, MarioManiac4, guille2015, Flubbernugget, Parama

With 10 votes, 6 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-09-29 13:04:10)

Notes:

Everyone has (expired on 2015-09-24 13:04:10) to post before getting force-replaced.

Day 1 Begins!

Shos is a Serial Killer, aligned with

Self

.

gdi

Wtf

Mod cant be trusted

> mod can't be trusted

> I have a totally sane guilty

[Davsto]

I'm not suspicious of you, just pointing out that voting Mario purely on your Cop result is a bit silly. I'm voting Mario because he's scummy, with your inspect having no influence upon my vote.

[Davsto]

Well he is a claimed mason and his mason partner claimed too

I don't trust this game enough to think that one of them may actually be mafia.

[Davsto]

EBWOP: not to think

[Davsto]

So... Uhm.

VC 1.00

MarioManiac4 (1):

The Counsel

Not Voting:

shos, Catboi, Prolapsed Brain, Davsto, ConManMick, MarioManiac4, guille2015, Flubbernugget, Parama

With 10 votes, 6 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-09-29 13:04:10)

Notes:

Everyone has (expired on 2015-09-24 13:04:10) to post before getting force-replaced.

Day 1 Begins!

Shos is a Bulletproof Day Cop, aligned with

the Town

.

wat

I've changed my mind.
Shos's role can change but will always be conftown.
I dunno. Seems most likely.
VOTE: catboi
Because gutscum vibes for days tbh

Didn't notice this before. This is quite a change from...

VOTE: shos
2 things here;
1. His IC wasn't there before.
2. Therefore, he activated his IC and didn't even post an acknowledgement of existence.

Also he's an ic in a bastard game so yeah

So uhhh

I'm liking my vote still.

[Davsto]

Suddenely Pineapple!

Delicious.

[Davsto]

Shos is probably not a cop of some kind, so he's safe to lynch without information.

And why would you say that, exactly?

Remember Pepto's post restriction?

He's actually saying you're probably a cop of some kind, so you're not safe to lynch without info.

[Davsto]

I heard stuff about it but never actually got it

what is this post restriction

just read parama's posts

The mod deleted Parama's posts which talked about (and broke) said post restriction.

[Davsto]

VOTE: conmannick

Explain?

[Davsto]

Mountainous = no power roles.

Basically, he wants to take the game fully by reading players rather than power roles and night actions and the like.

[Davsto]

This game is not mountainous. As claimed, I am a day cop.

We are aware of this.

What Flubber was saying is that he'd rather ignore all of the role stuff and just read players, since the reliability of said role stuff will be very flip-flop.

[Davsto]

Just because you don't agree with that playstyle, it doesn't make it wrong/stupid.

[Davsto]

Wait a second.

Pepto can't tell the truth, right?

When the time comes, in theory we can just ask Pepto if he's town. Let's wait until we were going to consider lynching him anyway though, otherwise it's confirming town way too early.

[Davsto]

Yeah that PB vote from conman sucks and the struggle for opinions/content looks not authentic, almost inexplicable to me town would have so little to say

I an fairly sure the rest of the town wants me to answer this.

I would not be able to.

So, you can answer that?

or did you mean you can't

Basically, he's saying he can answer it, but is fairly sure the rest of the town wouldn't want him to (rightly so) and so he won't, just yet.

[Davsto]

Yes I understand the restriction, I just didn't understand the response of "I can but I won't"

The exact same reason why an Innocent Child wouldn't want to out themselves instantly? Doing it instantly (if he can) will basically result in an instant nightkill, whereas putting it off until later allows us to doubt it so the scum aren't scared we'll refuse to lynch him.

That's what my mind says, anyway. I'm not gonna force him to do it/not do it.

[Davsto]

And that is exactly why I advised we keep people away from L-1 unless we definitely want to lynch

[Davsto]

But yeh, this game is moving super-slow. I reckon that a lynch should move it along a bit faster.

[Davsto]

Um

you

do realise that was hammer

right?

[Davsto]

um

okay

???

[Davsto]

I'm slow. I can't figure out why that wasn't hammer. Oh well, I'll go with it.

[Davsto]

oh

you were already voting Mario



I assumed some sort of novoter or something.

Anyway, I figure Mario probably knows you gambit enough to have checked the votecount, so I don't really trust his response.

[Davsto]

Meh. I dun buy it.

[Davsto]

Lol he was town xD I am dying here xD

uh

this reads as hysterically awkward and fake. Like, incredibly so. I'm not sure what point is being made in any way but seriously what.

VOTE: Shos

[Davsto]

I agree it's fake but I don't know that it's alignment telling at all

It reads like someone who faked a cop result backtracking and going "hahaha he was town isn't that funny??" to me.

My guess is that shos' original aim was to hardtunnel a fake cop result and then, when it flipped town, go "oh look bastard modding haha" and now that this has happened without said lynch he's sorta panicking.

Also, how does he know that he's town enough to go "lol he was town XD"? I know that I was still pretty suspicious of Mario (and still am a tad).

[Davsto]

Wait, not only was PB on the wagon, but he would've put the Counsel's vote on himself, making it L-1.

Nah, I'm pretty sure The Counsel doesn't work that way. As far as I can see it's random and should be treated as such.

[Davsto]

Wait, not only was PB on the wagon, but he would've put the Counsel's vote on himself, making it L-1.

Nah, I'm pretty sure The Counsel doesn't work that way. As far as I can see it's random and should be treated as such.

Look at the vote patterns of the Counsel. They vote for the next person who votes for whom they're voting.
I'm pretty sure somebody is a Counsel enabler because this would fuck over LYLO #justsaying

And that explains The Counsel non-voting in at least one VC how, exactly?

[Davsto]

moddammit

[Davsto]

Something tells me that gurty is trying to add a little extra spice into the game, because it's moving kinda slow.

[Davsto]

The Counsel moves in mysterious ways and I guarantee any attempt to figure out a pattern will have the next VC completely disprove that.

It's probably like mao, where there are a bunch of rules that we don't know that we have to figure out but extra ones are added as we go through to confuse us and then you end up with half of the deck in your hand and half of your brain fluid on the floor and wondering why the hell you decided it was a good idea to play but you can't wonder because you've lost half of your brain fluid so you just watch crappy reality tv while eating pringles.

[Davsto]

Anyway, feel free to actually vote shos. We've got less than two days left and I don't see anything else developing soon.

[Davsto]

ew self-hammers

[Davsto]

This is where we find out whether The Counsel's vote actually can cause lynches or if it is just a dummy vote.

[Davsto]

I always thought that Survivors won along with town...

[Davsto]

Okay so what was the pineapple?

[Davsto]

Right, so Town won, cool! They just came second because shos won twice but we still won, right? I think I get it... putting it down as a win anyway

[Davsto]

II) The only thing I'll guarantee is that there are no alignments changes this game.

you lying liar who lies

[Davsto]

MMM SAME SECOND POST

[Davsto]

II) The only thing I'll guarantee is that there are no alignments changes this game.

you lying liar who lies

I mean technically shos's alignment didn't change, he was self-aligned the whole time.

Some of the screwball stuff was entertaining, some of it was annoying, interesting enough on the whole. the 'masons' being scum was maybe a little bit predictable. did feel like i was able to still traditionally scumhunt. the counsel was cool but I didn't care for the mod having influence over it. it's a nifty mechanic, otherwise, though of course less cool without the mystery factor. not that you can really do anything about that.

While the Masons being scum was predictable, having the two Masons be Traitors of the same alignment was hilarious. They were both Werewolves but unaware that the other was, so they were being tricksy with each other despite sharing an alignment.

[Davsto]

We knew you were scum~