Micro 562: The Cult of the C9 (Game Over)
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This comment though is a reaction test.In post 40, xRECKONERx wrote:guys im cult-
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always something to consider.In post 42, RadiantCowbells wrote:Or it's a claim.-
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Because it seemed to be in direct relation to RCs post about what makes a comment a reaction test. So it was just foolishness in order to make a point.In post 53, Wickedestjr wrote:
If you think it's a reaction test, then why would you tell everyone?In post 41, Suzune wrote:
This comment though is a reaction test.In post 40, xRECKONERx wrote:guys im cult
In post 70, Wickedestjr wrote:
If Suzune felt that the reaction test was blatantly obvious, then I would wonder two things;In post 54, RadiantCowbells wrote:As if it's not blatantly obvious?
-why did she feel obligated to point out the obvious?
-reaction tests shouldn't be obvious I don't think, so why isn't she questioning it?
I would prefer thatsheanswer those questions, but that's what I am wondering right now.
The answer to both of them is the same actually. RC was holding the floor about what makes a reaction test good and make those little points about the point if reaction tests. Then that comment that I commented to get posted...my response was half sarcastic because it seemed to fit with the flow and I felt lilke it was somehow important to point it out.-
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More of a curious vote.In post 124, Frozen Angel wrote:no, hers! :/
In post 35, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 34, RadiantCowbells wrote:...because the double RC thing was super frustrating?
what?
oh you mean the abbreviations?
he really meant that?
At the time this struct me as a little odd. Regardless of whether the or not the abbreviations would have flew or not. Your reaction to it was interesting. PLus you were testing something so I thought to poke you.-
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I don't personally feel like being trapped in an ice storm with little power counts as ignoring you. You are about to learn it drives me crazy when I get accused of doing things when I am not online to do them...In post 153, Frozen Angel wrote:and I'm more angry because she ignored me questioning that in her next posts ...
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I was aware, thanks though~In post 167, RadiantCowbells wrote:In post 164, Suzune wrote:For what it is worth, Ika seems quite town to me.
this doesn't help.
@Frozen, I responded to you now-
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i feel like I explained it in post 162. It is not a formal case on you but my feeling that it was a little odd. The fact that you keep demanding to know is odd too. I mean seriously there is one vote on you.In post 169, Frozen Angel wrote:no you didn't. talk to me why there is a vote on me?-
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Ika vs Radient page 4. I do not understand the exchanges at all. I both feel that Frozen was not attacked nor do I feel she has done anything to deserve defending. White knighting for almost no reason at this point of the game is a waste because no one has really done anything but ask why people were voting or comment on other people's votes.
Given that this is true. Would it be not better to not lynch today? The chances that we will catch the scum are 1/9 which is a pretty poor percentage. It might be one of the rare games where a not lynch is ideal first day.In post 33, Frozen Angel wrote:this game has only 1 scum today totally, what he said triggered me off because he said "I hope one of you two scum slips later" and then voted someone else.
This post is still interesting. The post you are commenting hopes that one of the RC will be scummy so the vote is good. You instead claim he is setting up a case, which makes no sense, unless hoping someone does something scummy is now anti-town.In post 30, Frozen Angel wrote:He said he hopes oneof you willscumslip and he will vote you. why should he say something as town? its more like scum who is trying to make a case for a mis lynch.-
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Frozen, I still think you are the most likely target for today. There is little reason to panic about votes at this stage of the game and the fact that you demand proof and stuff is weird because if you are not scum, there would be no reason for you to worry because your ability to analyze other posts would prove your alignment. instead you spend time obsessing over votes.
As fro everyone else Radiant:
Radiant is probably town, as there is little need for the only cult in this game to push the town into making a decision. However, she is doing something else valuable without meaning to possibly. Tonight there will be a conversion so the thought process behind who might be chosen and for what reasons is open for discussion through this.
Dominator- Has very few posts and makes him almost impossible to read.
Ika reads town to me, for much of the reason that Radiant reads town
xReckon strikes me as unimpressive so far. Questioning things but making no formal stances. Votes without reasons...just meh...
I would put Red in the townie pile
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The tone and feeling of the game is lazy right now. This allows for the cult to simply hid among the people playing. Since little is going on and people are asking questions but little else is going on, it is too easy for them to formulate safe answers. I believe that our momentum needs to pick up or the game needs to start rolling a tad otherwise our chances of finding anyone suspicious are slim.-
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Please excuse me for saying this Radiant, and I do not mean this as a negative because you are a good player, but you would not be the right choice for conversion. A conversion target needs to have a skill that makes them desirable. People who are obviously town, obviously scummy, attract a lot of attention or are unable to manipulate are not good targets. In my opinion, ika or red would be optimum targets do to their low key and out of the limelight playing.-
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I apologize no means to offend. You just would not be the obvious target in my opinion.In post 211, RadiantCowbells wrote:In post 210, Suzune wrote:Please excuse me for saying this Radiant, and I do not mean this as a negative because you are a good player, but you would not be the right choice for conversion. A conversion target needs to have a skill that makes them desirable. People who are obviously town, obviously scummy, attract a lot of attention or are unable to manipulate are not good targets. In my opinion, ika or red would be optimum targets do to their low key and out of the limelight playing.
I take offense to that.
I haven't lost a scum game this year-
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oh please great wizard, you fix my personal life and I will have more time to spend with you.In post 240, Wickedestjr wrote:Suzune, I think it's strange that you criticize the game's feeling as "lazy" and "lacking momentum". You waited until page nine to explain why you disliked FA's page 2 posts and even asked her a question about those posts. So couldn't your play have been considered lazy and lacking momentum too? Why did you wait so long to make post 206?
Seriously though, do you read my posts? I both said why I was distracted, commented to frozen way before page nine, then made three game related posts this morning. I am unsure what you are so upset about. Fishing for reasons to complain at me?-
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@ Ikapost 308 I have never seen cults explained this way before, but I appreciate the reasoning and the thought that went into it. Thank you, it is a very interesting way of looking at the game.
This is silly question. By putting your opinion out there you get an idea what everyone is thinking. When a lot of people post what they think the cult is going to do, then it puts pressure on the cult, both to choose how to respond to post and to the choice itself.In post 312, Wickedestjr wrote:2. If you think I'm likely to get recruited, wouldn't it be better to keep that belief to yourself and then lynch me tomorrow?
p-edit: Yes I have mafia dreams. Sometimes it gives me a place to think. I dreamed I was looking at that post I made earlier about how it might not be wise to lynch anyone today because the odds were not in our favor unless someone really stuck out. Radiant had quote it and the was number 400 or something and said she had been thinking about it. That it was kind of a scummy thing to say and someone else had recently agreed with that post and she accused me of looking for people who shared my opinion. I accused her of scum painting in order to make a point and she rolled it off and I voted for her. So that was my dream-
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Well it is unusual to say the least. This has at least two meanings. The first being you are sure Ika is cult and therefore want the town to win. The second being that you are cult and you would like to win over the town. The third being you do not care about the result as long as ika loses which means you are willing to sacrifice a town victory. So...which is it?In post 316, RadiantCowbells wrote:Is it bad that I hope Ika loses this game?
In post 331, RadiantCowbells wrote:Look I could lynch Ika but I just don't expect it to flip scum, and I'd fucking flip shit if I missed out on killing Dom D1.
Actually you answered it here, meaning you are either cult or prepared to lose as town for the sake of getting back at ika.-
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Funny, but not accurate, I can see the post in my minds eyeIn post 371, RadiantCowbells wrote:In post 400, Suzune wrote:
I don't think that we should be lynching anyone today, unless we have someone in specific we think is highly likely to flip scum.
There's a 12.5% chance of lynching cult only today, don't forget.
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Personally, I think you are just upset because he is tunneling you. If you are town and you let that person get under your skin then you play worse. Trust me, I was tunneled hard one game we we were both town, but I just had to ignore it. If you are scum, then you are tunneled that you got caught for a silly reason. Personally I find there is no reason to lynch ika.
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hm, nevermind I understand what you are saying. You are suggesting it would be in the interest of the cult to follow ika because he is so sure.
p-edit, Okay, go ahead a vote me. I do not feel like I have done anything to deserve that however, I am not in the market to worry about it unless it gets to the wire. I am kind of a final stand person because I enjoy the rush of defending myself at the end.
No, i have played with people like him before. Someone did to to me once, however, removing someone because you cannot sway their opinion is not very townie to me. I apologise. I would rather he bash me and I ignore it then remove him in case something happens and I can sway later.
p-edit (x3) defensive much radiant...
Well his logic on people chosen for cult is sound, his information about cults and one way they might choose is sound, is it possible it has been warped some to fit you into it. Yes. Thus, I am not auto lynching you, but I am curious about you. Do you have some kind of personal grudge with ika?
Well it is true that it is easy to abuse. However, it would make the cult look pretty obvious.
p-edit (x4)- Yes, I got it, i'm desperate see me as town Suzune...
Well I did comment that I did not understand the vs between you too when it came to frozen. I must have missed the fact that you were setting wicked up. I read the part where wicked was a good choice. Breathe...-
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No. I do not believe so. However, judging by the games rules there are no night kills, therefore there will still be eight people tomorrow 6-2 so it would take five to lynch. Even if the cult both voted for you and assuming ika is neither cult nor recuited it would still take two other people to get rid of you. So I think you are being overly dramatic.In post 391, RadiantCowbells wrote:Do you believe that Ika is ever going to leave me alone this game?
Yes, yes I know that much. It is a strange strategy to be honest and I would not currently advocate for it.In post 391, RadiantCowbells wrote:He voted WICKED because wicked is a good choice to be fucking recruited.
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It is merely something interesting. Also, it is not something usually said. You have to shelve your ego when you are working as a team. So I think it interesting that she would want him to lose. It may have been a frustration complaint however, since he was not her current scum read I found it interesting. You never know when a question might ring something, and for myself that was weird.In post 426, Hinduragi wrote:I hate 374 so fucking much after you were one of her first townreads in this game. It's really bad.
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No I was not.In post 413, RadiantCowbells wrote:Are you referring to me?
because I do not give up. Sometimes things fall into place.In post 414, RadiantCowbells wrote:I can sway later.
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In post 424, Hinduragi wrote:
Don't like her bullshit. Look before when she "caught up". 370 is just shite. That was a "catchup" post. "Thanks; silly question, really?; and yeah I've got dreams lol, btw RC is scum".
Honestly I couldn't put more fluff into a single post as scum and try to get away with it. 374 is just as bad. One of the few things not relevant to the game "Is it bad if I hope that Ika loses this game?" is what she selectively responds to. She goes over different viewpoints and asks you to answer a "are you scum" question for her. Yeah RC, just go on and claim you're scum bro.
There's just no way I buy any of this as actual contribution to the game. It's all just avoiding the real issues and dancing around the topic of debate and, after ages of going over the whole "cult votes" topic, "please dont lynch ika". Plus she actually believes his cult logic here is sound. I really don't think she read the part where we should vote future recruits if we aren't voting the recruiter already to be quite honest. Or half the game for that matter. The only thing I don't think hints to "Suzune not reading" is that she would probably enjoy a Recruiter role and would be invested in the game if she had it because she chose SK in a Greatest Idea game with me. Unless she's been busy and it pulled her away from the game. Lots of variables here so I'm not really going down that road.
Well there is not much I can do if you do not like my catchup post. I happen to think discussing where the game could go is important because it keeps us one step ahead and allows for us to think more clearly. Who might get chosen is also important and the right pressure and stress put on someone might create cracks in their cult persona and then we would be able to lynch them day one. That might not be your standard, but that is how I was thinking about it.-
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Hm, sorry about that, I missed that these had been slipped in between my posts.In post 432, RadiantCowbells wrote:Oh really?
Trust me, I was tunneled hard one game we we were both town, but I just had to ignore it.
No, i have played with people like him before. Someone did to to me once, however, removing someone because you cannot sway their opinion is not very townie to me. I apologise. I would rather he bash me and I ignore it then remove him in case something happens and I can sway later.
And of all the things you could respond to that's what you chose to respond to?
Yes, I really do not mean you. Seriously, this is not about you. Unless you played 11pm with me and have another account. I was merely responding to your posts as they kept coming.-
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Why does it have to be about you. It was not about you. It was merely me attempting to provide support through sharing of a similar circumstance. Radiant, you barely pushed on me by comparison, I had forgotten about it until you even mentioned it happened.In post 433, RadiantCowbells wrote:I was tunneled hard one game we we were both town
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You are trying to hard right now, I think you are town. However, I do not intend to sort out the mess of Ika vs Radiant things until tomorrow. Assuming we do not catch the cult today. However, part of me is a tad suspicious of you. I cannot shake that and it will take a little study. However, for the time being you are town.-
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Well I do not like to be misunderstood or accused of things that were not my intention. Nor do I like to be misaccused, that makes my blood burn, if I do something wrong then I deserve it, if I am misunderstood or misrepresented I take it personally. When I need to defend myself I will though Hinduragi.
Honestly, I have no idea what you mean Radiant. I'm not voting you. I have not voted you all day. You are probably town. I want to look into it though. I will sort it out later. Whatever, that is to you, that is to you.
p-edit- The length and longevity of the tunnel suggests there might be something behind it. The lackadaisical nature of ika and the defensive nature of radiant needs to be taken into account. If there is nothing there, then I will discard all my initial feelings about it, but since I did not revise or edit my notes since early game, that needs to be done.
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I see. Well I do not know what to say about that. This is actually how my posts usually are when I am in the zone and focused on something. People say they are cold or do not express what I am looking for making them hard to read. If there is an issue you would like me to respond to simply ask and I shall. I am not purposing cutting issues.-
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it's lazy. It was based on what was pretty good reasoning at the time, but right now it is just sitting there growing flowers. There as been nothing else that was mildly interesting that added to my feelings of it.In post 456, Wickedestjr wrote:Suzune, how do you feel about your vote right now?-
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i did not say it was a bad vote, just a lazy one. I have not moved it or put much more thought to it because you have done little to stoke the flames. I built it in good foundation, but the fact that I have not addressed it recently makes it lazy.In post 461, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 458, Suzune wrote:
it's lazy. It was based on what was pretty good reasoning at the time, but right now it is just sitting there growing flowers. There as been nothing else that was mildly interesting that added to my feelings of it.In post 456, Wickedestjr wrote:Suzune, how do you feel about your vote right now?
this answer wanna make me vote you.
calling the case against you lazy is so bad. "it has been with a pretty good reasoning at a time" but"its not now" is not something I expect from a town to say.
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Well might as well post one of these since I am the favourite to be lynched today.
Well good news everyone, I'm a vanilla townie. Clearly this claim means little because that is both the strength and weakness of vanilla townies. On one hand there is not pressure for me to make a good target at night or abilities to weigh. On the other hand I would never have any evidence to back the claim and likewise the mafia would claim it and probably the power roles of the town. I have played enough skype mafia to know that it is the go to claim.
So, why is Suzune a townie? Great question. I mean seriously it is a great question. I have been kind of flaky. Everyone either agrees with my posts or the are unanimously hated. So yeah, this has not been steller. Plus everyone noticed my change of tone when I chose to be more focused. Which no one was familiar with so it aided me not. So yeah, I can see why you would be suspicious of me.
However, I do not know why I am the favorite. I would be more then happy to direct my attention to it and clear up any misconceptions. However the main contention right now seems to be that my vote has been placed on frozen for a while. I will never understand why moving your vote a lot is liked. I would probably never vote ever until I was sure if it was not frowned upon. I mentioned yesterday that at the point I made the vote it was based on good grounding in my opinion. Sadly, I did not have time to pressure it when I made it so it has died because frankly it is not interesting to anyone but me because Ika and Radiant fighting takes space and energy. And mostly...because I think people skim their back and forth a little. But perhaps that is just me...yeah...probably just me.
So where does that leave us. Lynching me today removes a townie. However, it is basically as good as voting no lynch because I am not high profit and all you might learn is that Suzune thinks frozen is interesting. So this leaves me at an impass. The obvious thing is for me to make a few high effort posts that way so when I go down in flames it is important. While naturally I could just choose to also be not helpful. But that is not my style. So, in the next hourish, I will make a high effort to make a few stronger posts that way, should you still choose to lynch me I leave something worth remembering and helpful moving forward.
My basic stategy from here will to be make a case on all eight of you and set it up like I think you are the cult. I will run through all the reasons you could be and cancel them out with evidence that sounds more town.
I hope that this makes an impact at least.
As a bonus, I was skimming the old C9 games. It looks to me like there are no night kills in this game. Therefore, as I mentioned yesterday and was rebutted by Radiant that would mean that tomorrow will indeed be 6-2 assuming a lynch today.-
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You are very welcome. To move my vote at this point, I would need to know who I intend to vote on because I try not to frivolous vote. Give me a little time and I will will change it. In my last stand this is where I am on everyone posts. Also because I am procrastinating something important, so this is as good a time as any.In post 476, RedCoyote wrote:I'm glad you acknowledge this, but you left out the most important part... moving your vote somewhere else.-
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You are very welcome. To move my vote at this point, I would need to know who I intend to vote on because I try not to frivolous vote. Give me a little time and I will will change it. In my last stand this is where I am on everyone posts. Also because I am procrastinating something important, so this is as good a time as any.In post 476, RedCoyote wrote:I'm glad you acknowledge this, but you left out the most important part... moving your vote somewhere else.-
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Well from the bottom of the most recent users going up: Frozen.
This one is my personal favourite at the time so I might as well start here.
Is frozen the cult?
post 30 This post was really the first to hit me. It showed an interest in whether or not hoping someone will lose is alignment indicative. Why wouldn't town want the cult to scum slip? That is every towns dizziest daydream, an easy win. So it rubbed me the wrong way because it suggest that town would not think that way and that scum do it more when trying to set up a mislynch. As someone on mafiascum taught me, scum have no reason to scumhunt, better for them to wait until there is an easy target and poke holes in their ideas. Or as Titus said once, when I'm scum and your town I try to punch holes in what you say to make you look ridiculous.
This post was annoying to me because i realise that I focus on the logic of things first and therefore to make it look like a negative because you do not use just logic is frustrating and may have stoked my flames for you a tad.In post 49, Frozen Angel wrote:All you can see is logic. I can see beyond!
My biggest trigger on her was the fixation on who was voting her. Plus when you explained it to her, it was never good enough. This raised red flags for me because with one or two votes on you in an early game format that is not the time to freak out and go on the defensive. Therefore, i hoped by leaving my vote on her it would continue to be an annoyance and would reveal true colors. Then she rubbed my vote off because I did not have a proper case and told me to check her scum meta. I'm not an avocate for using meta to solve current game problems. Plus she went the entire game without any reads whatsoever. She claims that she needs time and everyone seems to just let it slip by as game boosting posts. This strikes me as kind of weird.
This strategy bought her a safe place. It did two things successfully, first it took her out of the limelight and second it allows her to fly under the radar. Since she was my initial hunch and 80% of a detectives initial hunches are correct, (That is a mathematical thing not a Suzune thing...), that I think something is there.
As a cult it would buy her a safe place to watch the action. As a townie it buys no street credit.
Honestly if I was cult I would probably convert her because she is so out of the focus.
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Going up, Dom
Initial feelings before going in on this read...meh. People say it is a good potential for cult. Honestly, they have not really stood out to me one way or the other.
Let's go then~
So up to his post at 263, there really is nothing. Nothing much. Some votes, some prod dodges. Some I'm going to read later. Now inactivity is not indicative of townie or scum. This is a known truth, with exceptions though naturally. post 263 This post is interesting in hindsight. Why not make a pass at Red. Red is a good player. Why not want to be caught by them. It might be a wording thing but it comes off as kind of strange.
Post 286 makes it clear that he as a mafia/cult read on Radiant even though this was not mentioned before. Unless it is a less then cleaver play on words.
Otherwise, I can see why people are looking at him. There is almost nothing there. Opinions on people are few and far between, the interactions are joking or stalling.
Gut wise....I would say town lean or null
Evidence wise...well honestly it is a scummy set of posts that do nothing really.-
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If someone is even reading these make a post please. In hindesight probably should have compressed them into one...will probably start doing that.
Next is Higuragi. My inital feelings before reread. Devil's advocate.
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Okay Wicked next~
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Okay Ika and Radiant are left. I'm going to make some coffee and get dressed for work then finish up here.-
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I need to finish this up, I got a distressing work e-mail so that is going to take quite a bit of my time.
Here is kind of what the game feels like it has come down to, to me. Everyone is hanging back and discussion between people not Radiant and Ika has reached levels. I mentioned that Red was right, everyone is kind of watching what is going on there. Radiant seems sure from my conversation with her yesterday that if Ika was not removed then she would surely be lynched tomorrow. Which seems like of self-centered because I feel like, a good townie, would be able to leave behind a mark that would make their loss at the hands of the enemy a powerful weapon. Plus it would be really obvious if all the "cult" voted for her.
However, this comes down to the interesting point is Radiant and Ika town. Is one cult? This was something I was going to worry about more on day two. Yes, I was being a tad lazy about it because it was kind of a drudgery to flip through. But since something serious came up just now, I am going to run through it real quick.
My initial feeling is that there is no reason for the cult to try this hard. For either of them. Ika tunneling Radiant is not initially scummy and does not read as some kind of menacing evil. On the other hand Radiant's demand that she is something special and is a threat to be lynched potentially tomorrow strikes me as kind of odd. As a townie, I feel like one does not worry about tomorrow until tomorrow unless they have something cooking and are making a window for it.
Well....yikes...I got things I want to say but work needs me now. If I get lynched before I post this or someone has a question on something else, I will respond to it in a bit.-
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I'm a tad frustrated now. Reads list are my weakest suit because no matter what I say they are always scummy looking. This lies in the fact that I would much rather tell you what I see. I make note of things they are interesting or reactions that yeilded fruit in hopes of using them later. Clearly we do not have the same background. However, I would not like to be judged by my sk expirence in greatest idea because it was not my shining moment honestly it was just all over the place, but I love playing sk and came off of an interesting game as sk so I figured why not.-
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Having information is power. Therefore, as town, sadly my scum game requires much planning, I worry about tomorrow when it gets here. Giving and sharing insight today changes tomorrow. By point I got something out you change how it is viewed.
Since I will probably be the lynch, why should I? When you decide I should be the target you fight it hard. So I figure might as well leave all of my ideas behind in case someone needs them because sometimes a small insignificant detail to e is what someone was looking for. I believe I said I was going to make you a serious effort so I did. Typically I will hold information but only long enough to see if it yeilded fruits. And sometimes, things occur to me while I am typing.-
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Gun to my head, I would vote radiant. I know this is unpopular and it will be et with further rebuttal from her. However, it is clear I am unpopular in my thinking but one last time maybe. Radiant's game is fixated on "me". How something makes them look. Ika tunneling them, questioning their play, their value to the game, their fate tomorrow, their role. How things make them look. The town is a team.
VOTE: Radiant-
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remembernin double day when everyone was like who would you vote for then and I said silver and everyone flipped out because my current vote was on Titus. I am at a similar point. Radient is the best choice and my silver in this game.In post 519, Wickedestjr wrote:Also: don't see why Suzune-scum chooses to vote Radiant in this situation.
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well the game has been all about radiant'a me. People accusing me, getting rid of those who would want to lynch them. Not a bad scum motive.In post 525, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 524, Suzune wrote:I suspected and mentioned it
well this is a bad move if its from a town. pr hunting only help the cult ....
Radiant, I did not force it out of you. You could have chosen to ignore.-
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I'm notvoting you frozen. I'm voting radiant.
Why? You ignore most of what I say anyway. Where is your, I'm not talking to you when you are clearly scum attitude? There was no reason for you to confirm whether I was right or wrong, all the better if you did not. Just the ramblings of a crazy. I suspect you of cult power role, so why would I not push it?-
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