Micro 575: Twin Peak Neighborhoods Game Over

[Frozen Angel]

ok hi!

[Frozen Angel]

Sorry for lack of activity before this

I kind of missed the games I was in

[Frozen Angel]

UNVOTE:

for now

[Frozen Angel]

hi

[Frozen Angel]

I need to read 6 pages and I'm busy with something else atm

LATER

[Frozen Angel]

I could probably lynch the dude I'm voting now, Radiant, or Lewarcher at this point.

this was fast and fairly scummy I see , hmm

[Frozen Angel]

As much as I really don't want to die N1, I think All In is actually correct.

Thank you.

VOTE: ProHawk

Naked votes do nothing except help scum, especially when its on town. I don't really think you're scum, but it IS early on. We also have plenty to go on, so a random vote doesn't really cut it either.

Explain.

ok another scummy post just after the first one. This got so defensive so soon. I mean just after this post ?

Do you fear me?

[Frozen Angel]

Radiant is ignoring questions. Like scum.
Radiant is posturing. Like scum.

What's your read there?

ok I'm scum reading whoever think catched RC as scum like this. Don't joke to me man. what questions are you even talking about? and there is no scummy sign in RC so far till this point. you ever played with him before?

if not , your just stating your scumreading a playstyle and your scummy for that I think ...

[Frozen Angel]

I honestly think it doesn't matter which side we vote from. scum is scum and town is town right? so lets just find scum and skip all this math hoo-ha. I feel Radiant is acting pretty scummy...

Radiant doesn't really answer questions when asked or he gives lame answers and doesn't really explain himself. For example:

because I am RC.

After he said that he didn't explain why. Even when asked multiple times by a few people. However after I asked he did give a response which was not a real answer.

I wish I knew man.

He would have known a reason for what he said since he said the statement in the first place right? I dont know something just seems little amiss. Then he votes for prohawk for reasons I'm not really sure of yet (I'm still on the fence if prohawk is scum or not) because radiant is the one that wouldn't even answer prohawks questions. Which brings me to another reason. Radiant asks for content from Prohawk yet doesnt really supply his own content for why he voting for prohawk or any other content for that matter.

AllIn is acting scummy as well. He just want to have a lynching it seems like. @AllIn do you have any other reason beside prohawk being east town that you are voting for him? If he is town I dont think he really is scum hunting very well.

Then there is SomeRandomMafia He votes for radiant and hasnt really been post anything? lurking much?

yep keep up the good scummy work!

That question is not game related. RC has a meta of dieing in night 1 as town or be last gamed as scum and win the game. I never saw a different pattern (well it started to change recently town). the fact you can't find a better question to misrepresent the situation is scummy.

the rest of the post is alarming becuase :

1 - keeping middle ground on Prohawk wagon
2 - not explaining why asking reads is scummy
3 - calling multiple people as scum in your post but not pressuring either of them at all.

[Frozen Angel]

I think Kahlan's reasoning (which she actually gave unlike prohawk) is extremely weak and scummy.

but it isent weak, its correct.

in which part exactly?

[Frozen Angel]

@RadiantCowbells Okay first off I'm not grasping for excuses I'm calling how I see it. You may not like it because the fact you have the biggest wagon on you and are scared to get lynched? Now If I want to jump on your wagon, I would have done it already because clearly I find some of your actions pretty scummy but I am still trying to gain some reads off everyone and I wasn't ready to put you at L-1 at the time.

So this kind of lame...

this is the exactly scummy part. your holding a middle ground here. Thats first in my scummy detection book (and It kinds of detect scums all the time )

[Frozen Angel]

**sorry my post links arent working. Can someone tell me how to link the post? **

use this code :

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for example [post]147[/post] is shown below :

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[Frozen Angel]

(Bold part) I read your post but yet I find your reasons to be lacking. Prohawk has given reasons to his votes from what I see. You say he has 0 content but I think its safe to say the same thing about you. All you really posted was your math reasons on which side we should vote. So really should his supposed 0 content be enough reason for him to be scum if that were the case then I would argue back that you and RC are scum because you have little to no content. So I would say your vote against Prohawk is just a ride off of RC's vote ( which by the way he might have more of a case against prohawk then you do.)

talk to me about Prohawk view please. what are his reasons and how you assumpted them?

[Frozen Angel]

I think, D1, should be done as normal. Just scum hunt and do your normal stuff. It was easy to get caught up in numbers and possibilities but the truth is we can lynch a scum in either pool. If we can find one, it shouldn't matter where they come from at this point.

Sure it's all awesome that we can find a scum in one pool and confirm 4 townies, and it's all awesome that we have a better chance today to lynch scum in the other pool. But the fact remains that we have to scum hunt. We aren't going to find either if we're not doing that.

so scum hunt

whats your read on people so far ?

[Frozen Angel]

I have doubts which slot I'm scumreading most but i'll do this:

VOTE: kahlan

[Frozen Angel]

Hey Angel, I can smell your buddying from here.

thats all you can do after all I wrote?

you smell buddying ?

you know RC alignment ?

are you using pre flip intel ?

I must say

I can smell shit from here.

[Frozen Angel]

So you're saying that FA is buddying me, yet your vote is on me and you think that I'm scum.

That makes sense.

I'm so confused.. why wouldn't that make sense? Aren't there two scum players in a game? Also FA is on the West Side you are on the East Side. Hence presents a scum team right? Makes sense to me..

game solved you got us

gg

[Frozen Angel]

start making sense

how can you assume we're the scum team and we're buddying like this ..

you ever saw a scum game of mine?

don't insult the scum game of mine please

[Frozen Angel]

Now can you comment about my posts ?

[Frozen Angel]

You don't have to be scum to buddy someone, although my comment was more to point out if Radiant flips town, Angel is highly likely scum

and yet you ignore this scumread of yours

how convincing

VOTE: ProHawk

[Frozen Angel]

I must mention that I'm not defending RC in any matter. I'm attacking you for your attack on him , becuase it sucks and scummy for all the reasons I listed.

If you don't know meta why your basing your vote on it in the first place ? who is that scummy for RC for being meta killed in night one a lot ? that was the worst silliest way of shipping someone else (prohawk)

- about taking middle ground : you are. show me one post about you trying to sort him. "He is right" "I don't know why your voting him. I might join" this is taking middle ground

- but asking about reads is not scummy. the fact he didn't done it first was becuase nobody else asked it from him first. this is fualty cycle and easy way for scum to attack someone. stop this logical fallacy

- Nope you didn't. you just posted a cluster for your main push on RC.

I have a slight town lean on All in becuase of a valid setup spec , a very slight scum lean on Kaboose for having force reads , a null slight scum lean on SRMP becuase of his way of sheeping the wagon on RC

was w8ing to see their comments about my attack on you two

AND HERE COME THE MISREPRESENTATION

I NEVER DEFENDED RC

ATTACKING YOU != DEFENDING RC

I'm Attacking your scummy approach for making a wagon on him. That's definitely not DEFENDING him. the way you think you are in the opposite alignment of him IS so damn scummy. the way your using pre flip association is a faulty approach.

and I must mention that I'm zooming on one or two players usually , I'm not hard tunneling here. if you have a better case I will dig that up. scum slip and I will crush you but till then , yes I will zoom my strongest scum reads.

[Frozen Angel]

You don't have to be scum to buddy someone, although my comment was more to point out if Radiant flips town, Angel is highly likely scum

and yet you ignore this scumread of yours

how convincing

VOTE: ProHawk

Kinda like how he ignores me huh?

How convincing.

your not making a case on me

your not voting me

your not talking a shit about me

your not answering my questions at all

your basically doing nothing in here

and yet your creditor here...

your a chicky one!

[Frozen Angel]

I really don't think this needs to turn into Kahlan/ProHawk vs Frozen/Radiant.

its definitely not they can't both be scum but I'm sure one of them is , still working on it!

[Frozen Angel]

You don't have to be scum to buddy someone, although my comment was more to point out if Radiant flips town,

Angel is highly likely scum

so your lining up the lynches, without sololy engaging with me

yes or no ?

[Frozen Angel]

Yes, if Radiant is town, your buddying looks especially bad. You get major scum points.

show me one post that I called him town in

[Frozen Angel]

I really think he iw town though but that has no relation to you and your case against him. I'm scum reading you for the reasons I said not the fact your scum reading him ...

and I'm town reading him becuase he is not his manipulative scum so far

[Frozen Angel]

The fact your denying to engage me and talk with me about the points I made about your case against RC and the fact that your calling me a later scum based on RC's flip is really concerning. Like you know he is town and your setting me up as your next target

[Frozen Angel]

I'm on my phone, I'll address your points in a wall when I get on a computer

yep

w8ing for that

you should have done that earlier though not after me pressuring you in 3 pages ...

[Frozen Angel]

@cobblerfone the voting count is a little messed up. I'm only voting for frozen angel and no longer AllIn

why your voting for whoever think prohawk is scum ?

[Frozen Angel]

@cobblerfone the voting count is a little messed up. I'm only voting for frozen angel and no longer AllIn

why your voting for whoever think prohawk is scum ?

I already gave my reasons for voting for you and it has nothing to do with prohawk. I do want to point out that Prohawk and I are on the same side so we both can't be scum. I however do see how it looks like prohawk is acting scummy in his post because of how he posts but he has also made a few points I thought were valid. Although I have been told I'm misreading everything and you know I guess that's how I play because I got accused of the same thing in my last game but I was right in my scum finding on who I thought it was. So I'm not sure if that counts for something or not but I'm trying my best to post as I see it. Could I be wrong? Uh yeah but that is on me. I'm just trying to question and make posts the best way I can. I don't think I'm doing that bad for my second game I have ever played.

And I will answer a few other post later tonight when I have access to my computer.. Typing on a phone is way too hard :/

I never both are you

but one of you is scum very likely. for all the BS happening around here.

I really like to see your last game.

Whats your read on prohawk when he completly ignores me interacting him and just producing noise?

Why you voted All in again ? becuase he had no reason for voting prohawk?

[Frozen Angel]

and I never said voting me is a bad thing to be done. I'm just curios about the pattern here. you voted RC with prohawk. voted All in becuase he voted prohawk then voted me becuase I was considering 1 of you two scum

is there anything really scummy in my posts that you voted for? becuase your reason is blantly shit ("The fact I didn't commented on all the players") thats pure NAI if not townish. why should I make a mess in the game just after I replaced in ? - I can't read you all together

and let me state my anger about the level of activity here. Where are other people?

[Frozen Angel]

I think I already mentioned nearly half of them. and I shared my read about all of them basically more than what you did so far.

being in west neighbourhood and have a more chance to be scum is pure bullshit

I really hate your posts.

be better than this please

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not hard tunneling you two. your basically doing that yourself with continuing the way your posting.

so where is everybody ?!

[Frozen Angel]

So, Frozen, can you take a step back and deconstruct this for me? You think either ProHawk is scum that Kahlan is following or that Kahlan is scum that is buddying ProHawk? This is the basis of your argument?

yep sure!

prohawk posted a bunch of scummy posts. I made an attack on him. he started sorting out the lynches by his words. his inconsistansies about me and the fact he had no comment about my posts about his posts is the scummy thing here

Kahlan is basically posting too lengthy worthless posts basically pure buddying of prohawk. She is scumreading RC becuase he failed to explain why he says he is probably night one becuase of meta (see the contradiction here ?) , then he says prohawk has valid points but she is unsure about him and why people are attacking him. in post 139 saying he prohawk provided reasons for voting RC and All in didn't but she failed to address the reasonings when I asked her later in post 149.

I'm sure we have a cough scum in here. not sure which one is the one. I really like to interact with prohawk, but he just dodge my questions so thats a hard one.

[Frozen Angel]

whats your read on Allin and Kaboose ?

[Frozen Angel]

Catching up now.

so

[Frozen Angel]

Hey guys, if Prohawk flips town then Kahlan is probably scum!
Hey guys, if Haklan flips town then RedCoyote is probably scum!
Hey guys if RedCoyote flips town.. OH WAITTTTTTTT

@RadiantCowbells looks like we should just skip to the end of your lynching line up. It would save us a lot of time especially if you are scum

this was the post you promised you will share yesterday?

[Frozen Angel]

Isn't attacking what you do when you defending? you might not be using the words but you are literally turning everything I say towards RC scummy. Which in return looks like you are budding with him. Now I wrote what I read and how I see it. Between both you and RC apparently I'm misreading so please tell me how do you view RC? What are you clearly seeing that I'm misreading?

ok let me be clear with you! Your reason for voting RC was shit! Rc stated he is likely the night 1 kill and stated its a meta stuff! You yourself said you have no idea about his meta so what was you expecting to hear from it?

then we go to your next case. You basically attacked All in for voting prohawk. I don't care about my read on prohawk or any thing about him. You can't vote people for casting vote. maybe he wanted to see his reaction. maybe he wanted to make a case on him. although Prohawk was really obviously scummy there...

then we go to the vote on me. You voted me becuase I didn't commented on anyone else. I'm sure I commented more than you ever did in this game on basically all the slots. Look at the post counts and last few pages. I'm recently replaced in but my posts are 100% more content included than rest of you guys together. so thats a blant obvious misrepresentation.

My FOS on you or prohawk has no relation to the fact I'm town reading RC. Its becuase I'm scum reading your posts. If it wasn't obvious so far please write it down anywhere you like.

[Frozen Angel]

If I'm wrong about anything in my top post go ahead and fix me but its where my mind is atm

[Frozen Angel]

well I can't explain my slight town lean on him yet

I have so much scum tells from him. he did neither yet so I will put him as town

I know RC way better than you to prove that read this endgame - I got nearly banned for that : http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=64689

[Frozen Angel]

For one I NEVER voted for RC!! I simply was trying to say what he was doing was/is scummy. My reasons I feel are pretty valid because I have never played with him before so of course I wouldnt know about his Meta. I don't go an look at other games. I stated before this is my second game so I dont know why outside things would matter. players just need to play this game right? So I feel if you post something in the game about something outside or from another game it has relevance to who the player is. So I take the information given in the game and use it the best way I know how. Thats how I feel the game should be played but I guess some of the things that get posted arent relevant to the game or I get accused of just misreading it.

Second I voted for AllIn not because of him voting but because HOW he voted. He basically jumped right on to the vote right after RC voted. sure he could have been trying to get a reaction out of Prohawk but all he did was vote and say thank you to RC. In that sense it looked like he was just voting so there can be a wagon or lynch he has been wanting from the beginning (someone from the east side)

Thirdly I'm sorry but have more content/Reads then you do. Good ones? maybe, maybe not but they are reads. I'm trying to find scum the best way I know how and this is the best I have for now...

For one so why you voted him becuase of something that wasn't related to game? The problem is this! Your saying he failed to answer the question , the question was "why you thought you will be the night kill?" and it was already answered "I honestly don't know" it was implied its a meta thing,

what was scummy about it?

Second if jumping on someones vote is scummy why you basically followed prohawk vote on RC ? and whats bad about it ? can you explain your point of view about it ?

Thirdly shall we count ? I have 40 posts after I replaced 3 or 4 pages ago, I dare you to find a contentless one in them please

and you have 26 posts and 3 votes, never pressured the one you scum readed , never asked questions. just throwing shades and promises, making contradictions and huge buty wall posts. I don't call them content

[Frozen Angel]

For the love of pete! I DIDNT vote for RC ever.. I was simply stating what I found scummy about his actions. If I thought he was actual scum at this point I would have voted for him.

So I thought reads were what you post in your post about other players? Like what you read about them or how you see them? Am I wrong?

you love Pete?!

ok sorry , your push on him.

If you have any specific question about anyone ask me. I don't like to just give a readlist in my everypost ... thats not in my nature.

I like reaction testing and it destroys it.

[Frozen Angel]

I like Kahlan activity btw

I have him as a newbie town

I want a more prohawk pressure

[Frozen Angel]

{ProHawk}
{RadiantCowbells, Frozen Angel}
{Some Random Mafia Player}
{Kahlan}
{All In}
{Kaboose}
{RedCoyote}
This, off the first page. I'll let you know if it changes.

so you think the rc amd frozen vs prohawk and kahlan exchange is all town vs town?

Why would you think that?

what do you have to prove it other wise?

I will answer prohawk after this

[Frozen Angel]

I could probably lynch the dude I'm voting now, Radiant, or Lewarcher at this point.

this was fast and fairly scummy I see , hmm

Name one scummy thing about this post. Go.

Sure!
1 - You made a 3 people list without even making a point about either of them
2 - making a post about lynching people in post 74 and your 4th post of ISO ... yeah all your last posts were basically nothing

This post was nothing more than... Here are my scum-reads.

ok I'm scum reading whoever think catched RC as scum like this. Don't joke to me man. what questions are you even talking about? and there is no scummy sign in RC so far till this point. you ever played with him before?

How many times do you call me scum before you actually vote me? Hmmm... This will be a point I hit later. You also are obviously not really reading the thread.

That post you quoted is about RC. wtf are you talking about? and I'm certain that I'm voting you. I am obviously not reading the thread?! omfg this misrepresentation!

who fears you RC?

First question, which was important because he was crying about getting the NK. Never gets answered.

I follow up with a "Hey dude pay attention to me" post. Nothing. Khalan has to intervene to which he blows off the question AGAIN.

And this guy is saying that I'm not reading the thread

I'm right here Radiant. Talk to me and not at me bro.

Oh look! He is still ignoring me. Wait, isn't that a scum-tell of yours? I digress.

Your not asking questions or making any posts. I'm still w8ing for any posts with actual content from you.

[Frozen Angel]

Yes, if Radiant is town, your buddying looks especially bad. You get major scum points.

show me one post that I called him town in

I don't get why you are defensive about calling him town. I will play ball though. Lets quickly take a look at all of the posts from Radiant before you start posting content.

Please stop playing with logical fallacies. You were attacking my push on you becuase I was buddying RC. I said I'm not buddying RC and The fact that he is a town lean of mine has no relation to me scumreading you.

As I said your a cheeky one

FA, you best be town here or there will be CONSEQUENCES

I'm 100% sure I can sort both FA and Jeanne as well so it's basically a 3 lynch pool.

You're blatantly misinterpreting things.

I said that I will be able to sort the two of you with 100% accuracy.
That means that if we lynch in YOUR neighbourhood, either

1) You guys are scum and we lynch you for free
or
2) You aren't scum and we have a 1/3 chance of hitting scum.

I have made no judgement as to your alignment at this point and will not do so until FA posts because I can read her better than I can read you.

When Frozen and Jeanne show up and start posting more I'll be more inclined to generate discussion.

and your using RC posts to show me that I'm buddying him?! wtf is wrong with your brain man

The tone has already been set. Now. What do you do if you are scum, and there is someone here who -claims- (I'm sure with just cause) that if you are scum, he will catch you easily and drive you into the ground? Probably not best to piss said person off, get on their good side so they won't notice you pulling the wool over their eyes.

and continue to insult my scum games.... thats not helping you man. I and RC have a history and we can sort each other nearly quickly.

What is the FIRST thing you comment on?

Your scummy posts

DING DING - Prohawk's scummy post of course! - No it's not a post that he (ProHawk) made against Radiant, its about a post that RADIANT VOTED PROHAWK OVER.

Because you were scummy! and RC wasn't

Buddying Evidence #1 - Side with the person you want to be friends with. Think alike.

I really like to see a meta game of your after this. Buddying is what Kahlan did to your slot not what I'm doing with RC slot.

... in case anyone hasn't been following along, this next post came before Frozen posted.

Then I advise them to reread the whole interactions from beginning

I strongly suspect that the wagon on me is being jumped on by scum.
Hence,

my Prohawk vote

. Hence,

my FoS on Kahlan

.
I think Kahlan's reasoning (which she actually gave unlike prohawk) is extremely weak and scummy.

So... Frozen, your two biggest scum reads ALSO happen to be who Radiant is voting for and who had a FoS on Kahlan. Coincidence? WHEN I FLIP TOWN AND IF KAHLAN FLIPS TOWN AND IF FROZEN IS STILL ALIVE LOOK BACK HERE!!!

Nope , that means me and RC rock if we're both town and if he is scum he is buddying.I'm 90% sure your scum here

Later comes...

Lets see that shall we?!

ok I'm scum reading whoever think catched RC as scum like this. Don't joke to me man. what questions are you even talking about? and there is no scummy sign in RC so far till this point. you ever played with him before?

Frozen, you had mentioned you NEVER called Radiant town. Well, if someone isn't showing "scummy signs" but two other people are who are in the same neighborhood, wouldn't that logically put Radiant into your town pile? I dunno... maybe that's just me. This is neither here nor there however.

before that post yes. I admit I have him as a slight town lean of mine and I answered why before. nope I don't care about the setup. I'm scum hunting and I'm sure I have a scummy one here.

"I'm scum-reading whoever think catched RC as scum"

like this

stop the fucking misrepresentation lol

Lets just cover this phrase for a second.

Buddying Evidence #2 - Attack the attacker of the person you want to get on your side.

this is white knighting not buddying just for further knowledge of yours. and thats the worst way to scum hont to be honest.

.... Tip of the iceberg.

I'm an idiot. VOTE: Frozen

Nah your just scum

Radiant is probably town who is going to lose cred at being able reading Frozen this game.

Lets lynch this guy with fire!

[Frozen Angel]

I like Kahlan activity btw

Activity = Town, AmIRite?

I like it yeah he is going upper way upper than you

he seems newbie town

your scum

[Frozen Angel]

EE those posts where from Jeanne not me

and She has an obviously different pay style and posting style ...

[Frozen Angel]

yep thx for telling me over and over again

I'm sorry Kahlan I will call you a she from now on

[Frozen Angel]

Explain how you plan to keep working on it.

with interacting with them?

how do you scum hunt ?

[Frozen Angel]

That wan't me, I started posting after my replace in ...

[Frozen Angel]

Oh, ok. Vote all in with me?

Prohawk is way more scummier for me atm

[Frozen Angel]

Well its so awsome !

I replaced into myself in this game!

then got accused of buddying , white knighting , being a free lynch as scum , spamming and now busying!

this game is fun!

[Frozen Angel]

lol

like for god sake

prohawk is accusing me of buddying RC , EE just accused me of bussing him ... what the fuck is wrong in this game!

[Frozen Angel]

[Frozen Angel]

Like for god sake!

[Frozen Angel]

of course not!

wtf is this shit!

[Frozen Angel]

I have no idea what emotion suits the situation

I'm malfunctioning!

[Frozen Angel]

[Frozen Angel]

you accused two people of bussing prohawk if he flipped scum I'm siriously taking that as a buss claim

[Frozen Angel]

and I can accept the hug btw

[Frozen Angel]

As I said I sense EE just bussed his partner

a scum driven wagon can't be on scum? Prohawk is scum

[Frozen Angel]

I said that to my self if its not in the thread.

But anyway ...

UNVOTE:

that was a good point

[Frozen Angel]

what RC said not what you said lol

[Frozen Angel]

You played as scum with EE.

Is he the type to aggressively push a counterwagon to keep his partners safe?

when I did that? :/

[Frozen Angel]

I wasn't playing the game

and I replced out

I didn't read that game !

[Frozen Angel]

Oh yeah lol I'm derping all over the place.

Still like RC lynch over any lynch in my 'hood.

ha?!

[Frozen Angel]

Absolutely no way that I'm voting Prohawk at this point pretty much.

3/4 of the small neighbourhood is voting him and I'm pretty sure Ranger is town -> scum wagon.

This is actually a really good point.

becuase it states that your likely town ?

[Frozen Angel]

I said that to my self if its not in the thread.

But anyway ...

UNVOTE:

that was a good point

This is interesting.. why unvote prohawk even though he seems to be your top scumread?? I understand that RadiantCowbells made a great point but most of your posts up until you unvoted has been on how prohawk is scum. If you strongly believe he is scum why change your vote because of something RadiantCowbells says? You wouldn't even change your vote when Eagle ask you to switch your vote to AllIn.

Oh, ok. Vote all in with me?

Prohawk is way more scummier for me atm

unless you are scared you are wrong and prohawk isnt scum which might have made sense why 3/4 west town were voting him...I'm not sure I understand why you would just unvote though and still havent voted for anyone else. Besides prohawk who else is your top scum read?

he is still so scummy

I'm not sure thats the best choice for hitting scum though. yep I basically scared when I saw 3/4 of my team is voting him. Prohawk way of accusing me and All in for bussing and voting his is really concerning for me

[Frozen Angel]

I said the fact EE accused the other two neighbours of him for bussing and voting prohawk was concerning.

Prohawk did nothing to show himself townier

pedit : any OTHER scum read?!

like omfg

I have 3 scum reads ... if your town we siriously need to talk after this game

[Frozen Angel]

yeah I meant EE

why your taking that as a criticize. Maybe I can't explain what I mean to saying clearly. having 3 scum reads in day 1 in a 9 player setup is normal more than that is pure paranoia less than that is conf biasing. so the way you asked me for other scum reads was weird.

I want more All in and SRMP. I din't like neither of them new posts.
Red Coyote is a slight town lean of mine alongside Radiant Cowbells which my read on him is basically meta read and not so viable.
and Ranger is usual her so far. still waiting to see why she has prohawk as a strong town.

[Frozen Angel]

when I said 3 scum reads I mean EE , you and Prohawk. You however , as much as I'm concerned about you I guess I can see these as a newbie stuff to say.

what is your read on EE ?

[Frozen Angel]

FA is looking scummier and scummier the more she's misreps and omguss me. I think she might be scum again

why your not correcting me then - if you feel that way?

[Frozen Angel]

Hey FA. Are you scum here?

Because I'm pretty sure you are.

I'm definetly not

Nice! Because I were getting suspicioun about you

[Frozen Angel]

Vote someone.

I hadn't notice the deadline

VOTE: EE

[Frozen Angel]

Ok RC is scum

[Frozen Angel]

I have no hope for making this wagon out of nowhere

but trust me if there is only one person who can read RC its me.

[Frozen Angel]

and I think his assistant is Ranger

[Frozen Angel]

I have no hope for making this wagon out of nowhere

but trust me if there is only one person who can read RC its me.

I think you're chainsaw defending SRMP here.

nah not at all

VOTE: SRMP

[Frozen Angel]

But that won't change the fact that your scum

[Frozen Angel]

That was the typical I'm scum RC answer!

I got three scum tell of yours in past page man ...

[Frozen Angel]

But FA, if you think that I'm scum why are you voting someone who is mutually exclusive with me? :\

I think your scum with the one who you tried to show him town

and this had another scum tell of yours ...

[Frozen Angel]

I'm right about the scum team amn't I RC ?!

Busted?!

[Frozen Angel]

Thats your busted times reaction!

your definitely alive tomorrow unless by a miracle town get alive and like a proper town vote with me and lynch you

and yeah your scum

[Frozen Angel]

oh my god

who could I be this blind?! All the interactions with kahlan , the way you went into shadows and let me push them for you ... lol

[Frozen Angel]

Dance on my strings, little frozen puppet.

hey hey hey! I'm a frozen Angel Puppet!

and I like dancing!

And in the meantime your definetly scum in here!

[Frozen Angel]

Please lynch RC and Ranger in two consecutive days if I didn't make it

Thx

I'm in rush so bye for now

[Frozen Angel]

Its RC - Ranger

GG

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Ranger

[Frozen Angel]

Where the fuck did Ranger come from?

you prefer yourself first ?

sure

VOTE: RC

[Frozen Angel]

and thats VOTE: Radiant Cowbells if ambiguous ...

[Frozen Angel]

*facepalm*

I'll reread Ranger but I was fairly sure that she was town.

nah Your scum. he is so much likely your scum partner. and "I was fairly sure that she was town" is the way for clearing your scum buddies up ...

[Frozen Angel]

Your scum and I won't

[Frozen Angel]

I forgot that we had a neighbourhood!

@fA, why ranger? I have super strong town vibes there

that purely becuase of his stance of RC

[Frozen Angel]

Its obvious why they killed prohawk. Its obvious why they want to push me for it,

[Frozen Angel]

Its definetly RC - Ranger scum team I'm betting all my mafia credit on it

[Frozen Angel]

And you think I kill viable mislynches to frame people?
get real. you know as well as I do that I always play the long game.
Why are you scumreading me, FA?

becuase your scum

[Frozen Angel]

and yes you do wahtever you want to do regardless of your alignment. thats not how you can get caught ...

[Frozen Angel]

RC your last day play was your scum play. Was I wrong before about it ? no

Your scum unless I see a sign that I'm misreading what happened before.

[Frozen Angel]

RC your last day play was your scum play. Was I wrong before about it ? no

Your scum unless I see a sign that I'm misreading what happened before.

Nope, not nearly good enough.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

I won't make it better for you

thats my scum tell

[Frozen Angel]

Rc is definetly scum

This is his scum game

lynch this with fire

[Frozen Angel]

I mean was I wrong here ? http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=64689

or here ? http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64492

If you can't read RC just sheep on this.

[Frozen Angel]

It can be Radiant-Ranger or Radiant-All In

Nothing else

[Frozen Angel]

nice its RC - Ranger I suppose.

[Frozen Angel]

Don't play this game with me

I Know your scum RC

[Frozen Angel]

You pushed a false dilemma last day.
You were lurking during the day and just came out and pressured a mis lynch at last moments. You killed Prohawk from your party to :
1 - say I was the one who was pressuring him
2 - make your pool smaller so the lynch won't happen on you. This means your scum partner is in a very good place in our hood.
3 - you didn't killed me obviously becuase I called your scum team last day.
You wanted to make SRMP a safe lynch target without dirtying you hand,

I know your scum play style RC. don't deny that.

[Frozen Angel]

I don't fuking care if I get lynched. Just please listen to me after you saw my town flip.

this is not a hard tunneling. I'm saying this based on What I know about RC

[Frozen Angel]

and All In looks awful with that vote btw (just for the record) But I still think Ranger is his partner

[Frozen Angel]

I'm sheeping RC to victory.

yeah your scum

[Frozen Angel]

I meant your sheeping scum

That was a phone post mistake *facepalm*

[Frozen Angel]

Kahlan I want a detailed read about all 4 of us in west neighbourhood. why you think Ranger and EE are likely town and the scum is between me and All In ?

[Frozen Angel]

Radiant Cowbells is Scum

The way he posts. His targets. His prespective. His way for dealing with me saying he is scum... are all his scum tells. This is it I'm 1v1 ing here. lynch me or lynch him

[Frozen Angel]

No I'm town. You know that I'm town don't you? Becuase you know who is your scum partner in my side.

There is no chainsaw. lynch me and lynch RC tomorrow. or lynch RC and we have so many confirmed town thats your choice

[Frozen Angel]

Also, the way she's doing this deathtunnel is so fake.

You lasted a lot longer than you usually did though.

Thanks for not nightkilling me I guess.

fake isn't it? oh my god!

find a better way for discredit it.

[Frozen Angel]

No I'm town. You know that I'm town don't you? Becuase you know who is your scum partner in my side.

There is no chainsaw. lynch me and lynch RC tomorrow. or lynch RC and we have so many confirmed town thats your choice

This is super fake and forced and everyone should recognize it.

fake isn't it? oh my god!

find a better way for discredit it.

It's the best way to describe your scum game though.
You're super exaggerated and shit and don't feel real.

oh hell yes super fake and forced is it. Its forced though. I want to see you lynched in here becuase your scum.

I'm not exagerating anything. I can't exaggerate the fact that your scum. so please die

[Frozen Angel]

I've seen you deathtunnel. You get really emotionally into it.

This game you're all bluster and show.

I'm not death tunneling anyone else RC. I'm dead tunneling you.

If your town you know that my death tunnel is pure shit and show so you don't need to observe my emotional state for it.

and btw how many more games do you need to play with me to understand my emotions are more changeable than a tsunami and their purely NAI ? Don't go this way please this is a warning . I'm heating up.

[Frozen Angel]

I've also seen your town reaction to me voting you.
This is absolutely not it.
But this does look a lot like you reacted in Steven Universe; you started ignoring me and appealing to others.

I'm not exagerating anything. I can't exaggerate the fact that your scum. so please die

Nopee!

I'm not ignoring you fuck off...

[Frozen Angel]

scum me wouldn't touch your slot like ever.

your the best one who can read me.

And unfortunately for you I declare that it seems I'm the best one who can read you.

[Frozen Angel]

Fuck off is kind of like a more extreme version of GET OUT OF HERE!

And no, you're not 'ignoring me', but you're ignoring the prospect of changing my mind. You realize you can't.

Oh you want to go throw this path ...

You siriously want to go throw this path ...

I don't fucking care about this game anymore. I self hammer at any point thats available. Maybe town vote you after my death.

[Frozen Angel]

And no, you're not 'ignoring me', but you're ignoring the prospect of changing my mind. You realize you can't.

i don't fucking need to change your fucking mind. Your scum so just die.

[Frozen Angel]

This is scum RC

I'm betting my whole mafia career on it.

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: FA

cool

I want to die first please someone hammer

[Frozen Angel]

I can't handle this pressure. I know he is scum , I know he is trying to not upset me, I know how hypocryft are his posts and I don't want to get emotionally out raged. please do me a favor and just finish me

and LYNCH him tomorrow. thx

[Frozen Angel]

Why do you want to die first, FA?

Becuase I don't want to go on that fucking Rage again and I'm nearly there.

[Frozen Angel]

Just please vote RC after my town flip.

[Frozen Angel]

I don't want to say anymore about your party becuase I know your scum in there. I don't have any second read there. in my party I'm not sure why Ranger is generally town readed by everyone. I have a really bad feeling about that slot . All in is so damn awful - don't make him scum. I think EE is town .

Now you don't need to play the reasonable logical calm scum hunter. Just finish me and die in next day.

[Frozen Angel]

I will ask to replace out

[Frozen Angel]

I don't have inno on you

[Frozen Angel]

Do you want me to make a list of times you incorrectly tunneled on people?
Why are you still so sure that you're not incorrectly tunneling on me?

If I become confirmed town how do your reads change?

I don't have inno on you

Well I have an inno on me.

You know what? That's exactly why I'm considering to quit playing mafia games. When I reread your day 1 posts and I see the night kill I say , It can't be anyone else beside RC.

I know your scum , I know I'm not tunneling you for no shit.

Do you want me to show you how many times I correctly tunneled someone?

If your town then act like one.

[Frozen Angel]

Kahlan is newbie town. Its you or redcayot. I'm 95% sure its you. so yeah I'm tunneling this

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

consider my vote on myself as well. i'm ready to self hammer myself at any point

[Frozen Angel]

There is no 'if I'm town then act like one.'
There's just me and how I play. That's awful.

yeah , There is you and how you play. and your playing like the scum version of you.

[Frozen Angel]

Why do you think that she's newbie town?
Why do you think that I'm scum over RedCoyote?

becuase she is newbie and she is acting like one.

Your scum becuase of yourself not because he is town. He had some bad posts but hey your last day way for interacting EE , your push on him , the way you responded to me when I said your scum , the night kill , yeah your scum

[Frozen Angel]

I'm talking

[Frozen Angel]

And this is how I expect you to respond as scum you. If you were town I was already lynched.

[Frozen Angel]

Did you ever consider that maybe I treat you differently than I treat most people?

yeah , thats why I wasn't the night kill.

-Why are you so positive that Kahlan is a newbie, specifically? Talking like a newb means nothing to me.
-What was wrong with my interactions and push on EE?
-Why the fuck would I make that night kill?
-Why are you scumreading me in general?

- I read her ego and her ISO all over again. If she is scum she did a good job in hiding it.
- pushing a false dilemma , saying some sentenses that I know are not your town style.
- I called you as scum , you couldn't kill me. Prohawk kill was the best way for discrediting my way for reading the way. plus it somehow made a general good feeling about you and Ranger(?) becuase you weren't pushing him and Ranger defended him totally.
- Because your scum , In general.

[Frozen Angel]

Did you ever consider that maybe I treat you differently than I treat most people?

and thats the worst way to ran away from your caught scum tell darling

[Frozen Angel]

Believe me I'm already upset. I'm just training to hide them becuase I get force replaced and mod killed in like half of my games so far. and beleive me I'm nearly vomiting at this point.

Ranger was the only living person who had a town read on Prohawk - beside Kahlan I must say. You were wishy washy about him. me and All in were pushing him totally. what that tells? your the one who killed him.

Kahlan is from a type I can't read. I admit that. That's why I'm not sure how should I think about the way that I can't follow her thought process but not seeing them scummy.

I have to go. But its basically obvious. read the page I called you scum in (for the first time) and you see what I mean.

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not talking about my emotions , oh my god. I'm talking about you.

Its not Town you. Its the scum RC I know from the cult game or netherspite. or the scum RC who was my scumbidy in Firebringer game.

[Frozen Angel]

RC, how do you feel about FA's ATE?

All In how do you feel about RC ?

[Frozen Angel]

not All In
not Ranger
so that just leaves EE and FA.

Yeah , There is no way for this be a town RC.

[Frozen Angel]

I don't beleive it

[Frozen Angel]

ok

[Frozen Angel]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you want to admit your scum?

[Frozen Angel]

Ranger is the other scum isn't she RC ?

[Frozen Angel]

Don't even dare to sort me All in. Start with more simple stuff first

[Frozen Angel]

Why?

I caught you darling,

[Frozen Angel]

No your not

your reads are so damn fake.

[Frozen Angel]

Your siriously considering that VCA shit of yours a reason All In ?

[Frozen Angel]

FA, last chance to make even a token effort to cooperate before I give up and just try to lynch you.

Why in earth you started thinking All In is town ?

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: FA

Doesn't matter if you're town or scum, if you're going to play like this I have to get rid of you.

Hopefully you're scum but whatevs.

oh yes last trick of your scum style. Nice

[Frozen Angel]

Both of the other people in my hood are voting him and one of them is scum and I don't feel like scum would bus.

oh know you think one of them is scum not me

how convincing

[Frozen Angel]

SRMP was a really lazy lynch and should not have happened. So scum was definitely pushing that wagon over EE and Coyote.

I voted him when I saw I have no chance to make a wagon on actual scum like RC ...

Your not even reading that shit

[Frozen Angel]

nah NO. I think its Ranger ...

I think its you + Ranger

@All In just stop before I start insulting you. your noise is basically annoying.

[Frozen Angel]

If you're town, I'll replace out after your lynch and we can talk about your tunneling.

oh srsly ...

now acting like a big brother for not getting lynched in the following day after my town flip

your so awesome RC

[Frozen Angel]

I do think he has a fair shot at scum and I do want to lynch from our neighborhood.

UNVOTE: Ranger; VOTE: Some Random Mafia Player

As much as I want to be stubborn, well, whatever.

I don't want to think about this game for a couple of days, honestly.

^scum

^idiot

[Frozen Angel]

then unvote fucking all in.

DAH

I'm voting you

[Frozen Angel]

you can insult me as much as you want. It still doesn't change that I'm town, and you're not.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

I'm scum don't I? Just lynch me

If thats the only fucking way town will listen to my fucking reads so be it

[Frozen Angel]

FA reads as frustrated scum.

In your little brain

[Frozen Angel]

insulting me won't change my mind, unfortunately.

i don't fucking want to change your mind

I want to just live this shitty town.

[Frozen Angel]

leave*

[Frozen Angel]

oh w8 a minute

UNVOTE:

what if you are scum and I'm reading this whole wrong ?

like All in - Red cayot

hmmm

pedit : I don't want to strike you as anything ... You don't deserve it

[Frozen Angel]

FA, this is a game, if you can't handle some pressure, then you should consider walking away instead of trying to pull off stuff like this.

yeah so many people told me this before.

[Frozen Angel]

*Ignoring All in*

*reading the game like I have a guilty on him to see what I see*

[Frozen Angel]

Why are you so sure RC is scum? This looks like Town RC to me?

have you ever played with scum RC?

[Frozen Angel]

thats why your still alive dah

Have you ever found scum Rc? do you know what should you read?

I played as scum partner with him. we hydra as town. I found him as a cult leader in the cult game. I know how he manipulates. how he acts how he push as scum and this is his scum way of doing things.

Go do some meta research

*still rereading All In ISO*

[Frozen Angel]

why you think he is trying to dreil your wagon All In ?

[Frozen Angel]

If you're accusing me of white knighting him and/or being his partner do it outright.

definitely not

That's not you! You buss the hell out or your buddies.

You don't white knight your partners. You white Knight town to gain town creds.

[Frozen Angel]

Because he realizes I'm town. Both other players in his pool want me dead, so his logic that scum is pushing my lynch makes total sense.

All In

He believes I'm scum

the other two town players in hood are voting you won't change a shit about the fact you can be scum from his mind.

This is obviously white knighting....

[Frozen Angel]

I know how he pushed my lynch for bad reasons.
I haven't seen that here.

do your meta homework if you want to talk about meta

this is the Scum!RC we're talking about : http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64156 or http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=64689

[Frozen Angel]

and dah! the first thing was like my first finished game ever. and the second one was when I saw there is no actual way for pushing him as scum and I just gave up ...

[Frozen Angel]

He wants towncreds...

He tries to be town leader...

He white knight a very possible town lynch ...

He pushes False Dilemmas ...

He tries to be manipulative , there is a clear and obvious line between manipulating and being emotional

[Frozen Angel]

I need to go out

I'll continue my reread later today.

I'm sorry for the insults. I'm really really trying to control myself , you have no idea what is my rage fury ... this was basically nothing compare to them.

[Frozen Angel]

When you come back, tell me what you think about EE/Ranger.

Well my Ranger scum read is mostly based on RC scum flip which I truly beleive so. Ranger posts weren't alarming by itself except the fact he started yelling Prohawk is town in the last part of last day.

EE was so much hard coded last day. He has you as scum and he is voting you. I still don't see why though. He is pretty much null for me. maybe a little bit slightly scum lean.

[Frozen Angel]

We really need to lynch in our pool today, we can sort RC later.

"we can sort RC later" is the thing I don't understand.

Lets stop being greedy about having more conftowns and find the fucking scum. there is more probable to hit scum in the smaller pool if you want a reason from setup speculation as well .

[Frozen Angel]

his is not you struggling to decipher whether or not this is FA town?

If you are 100% convinced that Frozen is scum, why are you trying to "convince" her of anything (i.e. your alignment, to unvote X, etc)? Why are you wanting to "see more" from her? If you're not 100% convinced, then I think there's a piece of you that sees Frozen as town here that I am trying to bring out.

nah this is he know I'm town becuase he is scum

[Frozen Angel]

If you are so sure he is scum then why arent you voting for him? If its because you dont want to lynch from the smaller pool? Maybe instead of getting so worked up over Radiant being scum maybe you can try and help find the west side scum to distract you and that way you wont have to keep voting for yourself..well unless you know you are scum and want to help town out..then by all means vote for yourself.

Good point , I lost the track of my vote I guess

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

and no

why should we restrictly lynch from the west side?

[Frozen Angel]

and no I'm not scum

I think its Ranger or All in. but more leaning on Ranger

so yeah I'm death tunneling my reads.

[Frozen Angel]

Lets play a game

Kahlan whats your read on Ranger and why

Ranger whats your read on EE and why

EE whats your read about Prohawk kill and why?

All in whats your read on EE and why?

RadiantC whats your read on All in and why?

RedC whats your read on RadinatC and why?

Please answer this questions carefully. thx in advanced

[Frozen Angel]

ok another question just for you

Do you think radiant cowbells is scum or not?

[Frozen Angel]

I want answer to those questions asap.

[Frozen Angel]

Radiantcowbells is still scum by all means

I want Answers to my previous questions from everyone ...

[Frozen Angel]

Answer me EE ?I asked everyone a question that is very important for me

[Frozen Angel]

There is no way we are lynching Kahlan.

why you think that way?

[Frozen Angel]

...

[Frozen Angel]

I want all my answers before I make any next posts.

Please do it faster

[Frozen Angel]

hmm?!

[Frozen Angel]

what the hell is going on here

[Frozen Angel]

Check the announcements.

he is banned not force replaced from his current games.

[Frozen Angel]

ok I just realized All In is Radja's alt

that explains why i have difficulties about reading him ...

[Frozen Angel]

If I were his scumpartner I'd have pushed for his lynch on day 1.

yeah he would do that

his partner is more likely Ranger I suppose.

Radja was always this hard for me to read ...

[Frozen Angel]

why your afraid at being in a 50-50 place?

[Frozen Angel]

more importantly why your so sure RC will flip town?

don't try to hide it please. it was definetly that

[Frozen Angel]

Now you can keep running your mouth with these misinterpretations or you can take what I say seriously. Why did you even bother asking me a question if you didn't read my answer?

I read your answer. and I don't like the way you started to make a shield for not lynching RC as it puts you in a bad situation. thats scum minded thinking.

and yeah I can do that. I will misinterpret whoever I want to understand what their saying. any problem with that?

[Frozen Angel]

[Frozen Angel]

I guess both will hit town... so

this is a pure shit dilemma.

[Frozen Angel]

ok maybe not

All In worries me in a very icky way.

[Frozen Angel]

I explained why as well. as town we make this 50-50 if we mislynch. that I'm sure we don't lynching the big pool will just make statistics our enemies.

[Frozen Angel]

I told that 1000 times why are you skimmming my posts?

the fact that your afraid to be in lylo makes my stomach hurt. Play as town and win. who is scum in your pt if your not? from a town view in there you have the chance to find the scum by 50%

[Frozen Angel]

You want more setup spec? take it