Micro 589: Pokémon Episode 2: GAME OVER

[KuroiXHF]

Really? What is with this ridiculous bandwagon?

[KuroiXHF]

So insincere. Maybe I'm just pissy because I have to skip RVS. Anyone who knows me knows I love RVS.

[KuroiXHF]

I could speed lynch Kuroi FWIW.

Speed lynching ANYONE is a shit move.

[KuroiXHF]

These statements are meaningless because of the lack of votes against me. Either mean what you say or stop talking, because it sounds disingenuous when you say you want to vote people, and do shit.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm fairly sure there's one more vote until hammer, so unvote. Worst case scenario, the unvote does nothing

[KuroiXHF]

Alright. You must be right. I've been on my phone all day because I'm never on a computer on the weekends.
However, if we have an investigative role, someone check out the people on the wagon. I'm still completely amazed we have such a quick lynch like this.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: KuroiXHF

Wait, you said NO quicklynches?

UNVOTE:

[KuroiXHF]

Mod, I'm not sure if you can answer this but is a thundershock a kill? Like was he a vigilante? Maybe the thundershock paralyzed him and kept him from voting or something?

[KuroiXHF]

Mod, I'm not sure if you can answer this but is a thundershock a kill? Like was he a vigilante? Maybe the thundershock paralyzed him and kept him from voting or something?

The ability is explained right below the rolename.

I misread that. I feel like an idiot. Thanks, mod.

Honestly, I'm not sure about Kaboose. Townie or not, that was an incredibly stupid vote... but I'm not going to believe that a mafia would attract so much attention by that hammer.

[KuroiXHF]

Are you kidding me, if all of you are belie\/ers of too scummy to be scum I will replace out.
I don't want to play with anyone stupid enough to quick hammer and town stupid enough to let that slide.

So you want to lynch someone on the basis of "he's too stupid to play?"

[KuroiXHF]

Why was it a scum move? There are plenty of people who hammer like that as town.

Yet your vote's on me, huh? You agree with me, but are somehow faulting me. You can do better than that, lacking-Wisdom.

That was a blatant scum mo\/e and you are eating it up with the too scummy to be scum statement.

What's with the whole V thing. Are you a Vileplume? or a Venonat? Or a Verizon?

hi guys

wats going on

Hah. I forgot you're playing. Well read up!

[KuroiXHF]

So I don't have a full read on everyone but the people who are pinging me as scum (or at least scummy) are Beeboy (for the vote jumping after his attempt on Kaboose), BBT (but a bit less-so), and Mollietov Cocktail. In my experience, if someone gets voted and then suddenly shows up, it shows an active lurking.

I should have a vote on someone so...
VOTE: Beeboy He's scummier to me than anyone else today.

[KuroiXHF]

So I don't have a full read on everyone but the people who are pinging me as scum (or at least scummy) are Beeboy (for the vote jumping after his attempt on Kaboose), BBT (but a bit less-so), and Mollietov Cocktail. In my experience, if someone gets voted and then suddenly shows up, it shows an active lurking.

I should have a vote on someone so...
VOTE: Beeboy He's scummier to me than anyone else today.

yeah no, that isn't gonna work on me cos I had spent 10 minutes trying to log in to our hydra but there were issues.

so why did you self-vote after wis voted for you out the gate? like you only had 1 vote on you and it was wis. but you haven't mentioned him at all.

I think we shld sheep wis!

VOTE: kuroi

BAHHHHHHHHH

Uhmmm... huh? I'm not going to explain the self vote; that should be obvious.

As far as spending ten minutes to log in, possible but I honestly don't really believe you that much. ...then again, I'm not voting you. I just said it was scummy.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm not going to bother explaining a joke. I'm perfectly OK with your vote on me. I'm more looking forward to speaking with Kaboose and getting answers from Beeboy.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Kuroi

1. What's with the \/?
2. Why do you think Kaboose, if he were mafia, put himself out there for the hammer if it would cause him so much attention?
3. What do you hope to achieve by voting the person asking all of these questions?
3a. If you're so sure that Kaboose is scum, why aren't you voting him?

[KuroiXHF]

1. Thanks for not answering my question.
2. Have you played with Kaboose before? I haven't. Has he done this before?
3. I don't understand your answer.
3a. Why? The only reason I could possibly see is that I voted you.

[KuroiXHF]

I feel like that answer would be much better suited to the answer to 1. That would have been \/ery funny.

[KuroiXHF]

I really don't like Kuroi.

Why not? You hardly know me. Let's mend over a pint.
Seriously though, I don't really buy your vote reasoning but you're either a terrible scum, or a really cocky townie... and I don't like either of that. If you're a townie, you're pretty fucking reckless and I'm thinking that's anti-townie. Actually, the day one lynch PROVED it's reckless.

But I'm confident in finding scum in Beeboy. Going after you was too easy and I thought he was a new player until I checked his posts and games that he's been in. He's not a new player and should know better than this. He's opportunistic - hardcore.

[KuroiXHF]

OK, check me recent posts.

I mean, I'm not even scum reading Kaboose but he needs to be lynched. In fact, I would go as far as to say I'm 75% sure he will flip town.

then stop it. this is how town loses games

I'm now near a computer so I'll have a post pretty soon, but I did want to say after my initial catchup that this is one of my, if not, my biggest reason to finding you scummy BBT. It's so easy for scum to hide these easy lynches behind the facade of "policy." This is why I don't believe in policy votes; when we lynch someone, it's because we genuinely believe they're scum. Not because they

deserve it.

[KuroiXHF]

@ kaboose

walk me through that hammer

Want to know how Beeboy decides who to vote? It's in this next quote.

VOTE: Molito\/

I will lea\/e this here =D

Try to ask questions, and you get voted. That's why I got voted. Beeboy, I expect a vote on me before night fall.

Yet your vote's on me, huh? You agree with me, but are somehow faulting me. You can do better than that, lacking-Wisdom.

Agreeing with you doesn't make you town. It's easy for scum to WK

Obviously if I'm saying things that you agree with, I can't be the scummiest person on your lynch - I mean... Unless your basis is that "I'm too likeable." If you want to vote me so you can't fall in love with me, I'll at least accept that.

I'd say you are town right now Wis. kouroi is white knighting the guilty to hard. Molotov I will explain later

I'm not allowed to elaborate because of the rules, but I will say that in terms of my meta, whiteknighting is not a scumtell.

VOTE: KuroiXHF

Wait, you said NO quicklynches?

UNVOTE:

This was a town post until the unvote imo

And why is it town to vote myself? Can't take a joke much? :\

I'm perfectly OK with your vote on me.

Why would you be fine with someone voting you? If you're town, isn't that counterproductive from your point of view and therefore something you shouldn't like?

Eh, I think you already contradicted yourself from your last post.

1. What's with the \/?
2. Why do you think Kaboose, if he were mafia, put himself out there for the hammer if it would cause him so much attention?
3. What do you hope to achieve by voting the person asking all of these questions?
3a. If you're so sure that Kaboose is scum, why aren't you voting him?

1. Who cares?
2. You're arguing/defending me and creating WIFOM at the same time by asking the question like that. My action on D1 should just be given a read one way or the other, and not discussed. The action is not alignment indicative to the point you can say "That is something scum/town would do" but everyone can come up with how they feel about the action in their gut and give that feeling out.

If we get in to "would town/scum do x" we're going to go around in circles that game and that doesn't help. Just giving it a "I think he's ____ for his hammer" is the productive thing to do. Let's do that.
3a. Valid question.

1. It might be important to the game. I haven't played with Beeboy outside of the game, but I find it unlikely that he types with \/ outside of the game on a regular basis.
2. You created a WIFOM by hammering Fire Starter on the first day. I'm not going to carry the weight of your responsibility. Do it yourself.

2. He thinks he can get away with it.
3a. I think you are scum.

3a. Why? The only reason I could possibly see is that I voted you.

Post 105, 2, how do you know what I think?

Post 106, 2, I know a lot of people do this on this site, but do you honestly think finding a game(which I'm sure there are plenty out there for you to find of me doing the same thing) where I did the same thing would prove anything about my alignment THIS game?

Post 106, 3a, why are you looking for reasons why other people might be scum reading you? That's scummy.

I think it's townie to find out why you're being voted. Obviously, it's important to know why you're being voted. If I'm being voted on a misconception, we better get that shit cleared up. We're lynching scum, not just whomever rubs you the wrong way, and that's why I think I'm getting voted since I'm not getting a straight answer.

@ kaboose

walk me through that hammer

I counted the votes to make sure they were L-1.

I then voted.

Reason 1 - I was feeling lucky
Reason 2 - I feel confident enough in my ability to prove myself town to everyone that I wasn't afraid of the repercussions.

I really want to vote you on principle now. However, I don't believe in policy lynches... although you

are

tempting me. By the way, please collect all the quotes so that you make one larger post instead of turning Page 7 into Page Kaboose.

Why was it a scum move? There are plenty of people who hammer like that as town.

And it should never go unpunished. Ever.

As I've said before, this is a shitty way to go about lynching someone. It seems like you're more about the rule than the reason why the rule exists.

Why am I scum?

You're tunneling on Kaboose and it's reeking of opportunism.

But I'm confident in finding scum in Beeboy. Going after you was too easy and I thought he was a new player until I checked his posts and games that he's been in. He's not a new player and should know better than this. He's opportunistic - hardcore.

Lining up lynches?

I don't know what you mean by this. Please explain.

kuroi looks a bit better I think but it is kind of hard to discern between what is scum and what is dumb.

LOL. Please point to me the dumb things I've been saying.

[KuroiXHF]

Are you talking about 185?

[KuroiXHF]

I'm not going to deny that Mollietov Cocktail isn't scummy. His ISO is riddled with personal attacks. The part where you screwed up with, Beeboy, is that you're attacking everyone for ridiculous reasons.

Your vote on Mollietov kind of is watered down because of your votes on others.

[KuroiXHF]

So you are going to let scum go because you don't like the way I ha\/e interacted with other players?
You got to be kidding me... our alignments our completely unrelated at this moment in time.

You don't \/ote scum because you like the people on the wagon you \/ote scum when you see they are doing scummy things.

I just want to say, I looked through your ISO and I found that you used an actual v before. Whatever requirements you have, you fucked up on. Also, I don't like Mollietov, but I think you're scummier. I think you're scum, so I'm voting you. And there's more likely than not more than one scum out there. I've never played a setup this small, but I've looked at other games and I found they generally have two. For all I know, you're both scum. Hell, Kaboose is scum. I'll create a read list, but you're on my scum read, Beeboy.

[KuroiXHF]

Strong Town: KuroiXHF
Lean Town: Lilith, Wisdom
Null: Kaboose
Lean Scum: BBT, Mollietov Cocktails
Strong Scum: Beeboy

...The strong town field was empty, so I put my name in there.

[KuroiXHF]

What makes me scum again?

Dodging my questions, voting anyone and everyone who asks you about your votes, and also your vote on Mollietov pings me as bussing.

As an extra bonus, I take "trust me guys" as a scumtell.

[KuroiXHF]

What makes me scum again?

Dodging my questions, voting anyone and everyone who asks you about your votes, and also your vote on Mollietov pings me as bussing.

As an extra bonus, I take "trust me guys" as a scumtell.

I wanted to see if Moloto\/ would keep a\/oiding doing anything so I didn't declare my reason.
If you think it is bussing then \/ote them with me.

Hmmm... I'm beginning to see your reason, but why did you test Molotov in the beginning of the day?

[KuroiXHF]

Alright. Here are some personal attacks. Note, they aren't all straight up, "You're an idiot, lolz" but all of these are less than sincere exchanges:

I know you 2 are scum that's what

wow beeboy you are too clever for me

will u b my m3nt0r

have you and wis played before lily?

Just the previous episode but that was so contentless it was laughable. Why do you ask?

cos i have never seen some1 accuse wis of being likeable before. he tends to rub pple the wrong way and gets a lot of shit for it. I absolutely adore him. I think we are soulmates. there is no1 else on this site that I wld trust more with my wc than wis if we are on the same team. not the commune, not the lezbo cartel not even some of the vets that I love to play with. but wld 100% trust wis.

kuroi looks a bit better I think but it is kind of hard to discern between what is scum and what is dumb.

that is where I am at. I REALLY don't like beeboy's fearmongering on our slot on phantom logic as in it does exist. bbt is being a total hypocrite with driving the fire lynch and then condemning the person who made that happen. it is usually a town tell ironically.

[KuroiXHF]

BTW Beeboy, have you not seen my posts against Kaboose? I'm interacting with pretty much everyone, not just you.

[KuroiXHF]

<snip>

those are not personal attacks.

thats called addressing some1's play.

If you call someone a hypocrite, you are insulting them. If you are calling someone's play hypocritical, you are insulting their play. You did both and I only quoted the one where you insulted them, not their argument.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm not going to have a discussion with you on the nuances of the word, "Hypocrite." Try to point to me that you're town. I don't want to hear about your condescending tone.

[KuroiXHF]

I'll respond fully tonight but I'm beginning to think Beeboy isn't as scummy as I originally thought he was. I'm also willing to take him on his offer.VOTE: Mollietov

[KuroiXHF]

Well, Kuroi just put me off an MC wagon.

Lynching Wisdom/Lilith/Kuroi wins the game.

Explain.

[KuroiXHF]

Lol is it because I didn't sound sad enough when you people lynched fire starter?

[KuroiXHF]

Yeah. I'm on my phone too so I get that.

[KuroiXHF]

That's not how this works. If you have information to clear your name or prove you're townie, divulge that FIRST.

I don't take flailing as an acceptable townie defense.

[KuroiXHF]

Mollie, why are you townreading the people trying to get you lynched?

[KuroiXHF]

Alright, I'm back. My vote wasn't entirely based on how you rubbed me the wrong way. Your behavior was more than just abrasive; I felt it was scummy. I felt it was controlling and you used key words such as hypocrisy and dumbtelling in order to get others to vote the way you'd like them to. I also then switched to you because if you were scum, I feel that would find us scum in Beeboy. I'm now setting my sights onto Wisdom, although I've not completely given up that Beeboy is scum.

[KuroiXHF]

Pirate, can you please list everyone else and your estimation of how likely they're scum?

[KuroiXHF]

Pirate, can you please list everyone else and your estimation of how likely they're scum?

about you go back and read our posts with the knowledge that they come from town.

Reads change. You voted for me at one point and now you don't think I'm scum. I was looking for an overall summary as an aide.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Wisdom

I think this vote is obvious.

[KuroiXHF]

Where did Kaboose cop claim o.o

I don't think he did claim.

[KuroiXHF]

I don't understand how his suspicion of me unvoting my joke vote on myself is a cop ping. I was really hoping that we knew who Kaboose's clear was, but I'm just as happy with Wisdom's lynch.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: kuroi

Also no quicklynches please

I'm inclined to want to follow you to the gates of hell this game, but why would you put a vote on someone and then ask for no quick lynches? Isn't that sort of baiting for a wagon, and who knows what I might do if someone is at L-1 again... You seem unworried about an actual quick lynch part 2 here. Which worries me.

This suggests that Wisdom isn't the clear.

VOTE: KuroiXHF

Wait, you said NO quicklynches?

UNVOTE:

This was a town post until the unvote imo

This suggests I wasn't the clear.

VOTE: Kaboose

Don't let him get away with this crap

Fake anger is fake, innit?

I don't think you're clear, either, Kaboose.

Are you kidding me, if all of you are belie\/ers of too scummy to be scum I will replace out.
I don't want to play with anyone stupid enough to quick hammer and town stupid enough to let that slide.

You turned on the insults really quick. Like, I believe at this point two people? Maybe 3? of the remaining 7 have posted and you're already lumping everyone together. That's weird.

Sorry. You're VERY not clear, Beeboy.

I'm perfectly OK with your vote on me.

Why would you be fine with someone voting you? If you're town, isn't that counterproductive from your point of view and therefore something you shouldn't like?

I'm very not clear, either. Kaboose didn't take a liking to me, honestly.

Surprised at the lack of attention Kaboose is getting.

Same here, I was expecting a lot more hatred, but feel I only really got it from beeboy for a second, and then you, for the same amount of time.

This suggests to me that BBT is the clear because of the words, "for the same amount of time," which was a second.

He's posted today so is obviously around but also hasn't done anything content-wise.

This is terrible.

I posted this morning and then finally get back to my computer about 30-45 minutes ago. But I'm "obviously around"??? Really? You know that?

What content should I have when some douche bag quick hammered D1P1?

Nope, not Lilith. She's not clear.

From the process of elimination, the clear is either the currently alive BBT or the dead Cobblerfone.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Wisdom

I think this vote is obvious.

This is lylo. Unvote. Unless you are scum, which you probably are anyway

I understand the importance of lylo. I also understand that I don't think you could convince me, especially since Mollietov talked about how manipulative you are. I'd rather not chance you manipulating me.

[KuroiXHF]

UNVOTE:

For the sake of dialogue, which I hope you can provide. You've posted a couple of times already and none of them was in response to Mollietov's comments.

[KuroiXHF]

Can we also mass claim?

No.

[KuroiXHF]

I don't respond to dead people. If you have questions, ask them

BTW, this is basically you BEGGING me to lynch you. Evasive, and basically a threat. If you think I'm scum, give me reasons why but don't give out idle threats, especially when Lilith is your only friend this game.

BTW, I'm calling a Lilith/Wisdom scum team.

Preview Edit: I guess we are mass claiming. Nurse Joy, Doctor.
I guess you can understand why I didn't want to claim.

[KuroiXHF]

You know, I'd really not want to click "submit" five times before I actually get to submit.

[KuroiXHF]

Wisdom, I don't think Ash even met Misty in Episode 2. Where is Goldeen in this picture?

Preview Edit: N1 I targetted BBT. N2, I targetted you.

[KuroiXHF]

Wait, where is there a roleblocker?

BTW, brb. I'm going to go watch Pokemon.

[KuroiXHF]

Odd night cop, which is pretty much one shot in a Micro.

Full Doctor does seem a little OP though; unless scum are stacked.

PEdit - Scum would have fake claims btw. All flavour claims will be legit.

So what's the point of claiming?

Can we lynch Wisdom yet?

Yes. VOTE: Wisdom

[KuroiXHF]

I'm Pidgey, VT, btw.

Lilith, so who do

you

think Wisdom's partner is?

[KuroiXHF]

That's not a hammer. Wisdom is at L-1.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm in the middle of episode one and all I've learned is Ash's mom is a MILF.

Preview Edit: I don't know how this clears you. You and Wisdom could be scum buddies. Kaboose's clear could be Cobblerfone.

[KuroiXHF]

One of Wisdom/Kuroi is for sure scum.

Thanks for ignoring my point that Cobbler's possibly the clear.

Preview Edit: Wisdom has been manipulative this game and has acted in polar opposite to A Song of Ice and Fire Mafia Game. In that game, he tunneled people, and now he's basically erratic and throw blame to anyone who questioned him.

[KuroiXHF]

BBT, read 152. Either you're the clear or Cobblerfone. I just don't want you to think that even if Wisdom if scum that you're clear as well.

[KuroiXHF]

Jesus christ I'm not scum bbt.

"You are scum, my child."

[KuroiXHF]

Why the fuck did Wisdom do this? If he's scum, he'd be trying to win.

Is there a jester role this game?

[KuroiXHF]

Why target wisdom then come out and call him scum today though?

He's trying to make me look like I'm scum by "bussing" me.

Awww kuroi you protected me thanks fam!

Please don't say that. I'm already going paranoid that it's not Lilith.

[KuroiXHF]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know of Radja's former games as mod?

Mod, can you answer that?

I'm unsure if Radja has a history of games with a lot of PRs before.

[KuroiXHF]

Last episode there was a scum roleblocker, an IC, a rolecop, and neighbors.

Yeah. I just took a lot at his Wiki. The only games he had as mod on there were Ragnorok games and they seemed pretty much full of PRs.

[KuroiXHF]

So I'm now watching Pokemon episode 2 and found that Officer Jenny broke like five laws in the two minutes we saw her:
1) Putting her hands on a citizen = initiating force.
2) Taking Ash's pokedex from his pocket without his consent = violation of his fourth amendment laws
3) Speeding. (Along with MANY other dangerous moves.)
4) Using a motorcycle without the use of helmets and not requiring their passengers to wear one as well.
5) Driving in on the left side of the road. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qhiCJfkKFc 5:07, just look!

BTW, Nurse Joy IS there.

[KuroiXHF]

EBWOP: Forgot to write that I'm surprised Officer Jenny isn't scum lol

[KuroiXHF]

I would kind of expect team rocket to be the scum here..

From the episode, it's completely obvious that it's Team Rocket. I don't know how you would think I was serious with that, especially since Jenny is dead...

[KuroiXHF]

Well, that happened. I protected Beeboy last night, for what it's worth.

[KuroiXHF]

Actually.

You know what?

I've been going through my paranoia on the possibility of Beeboy being scum for the same reasons from Day Two, but I think my brain has just been screwing with me so I need to be done with it. Realistically, I don't see Beeboy actually being scum and if he is, he deserves the win. That's the only way I can justify it in my head.

VOTE: Lilith

[KuroiXHF]

Beeboy could have hammered by now, so I'm confirmed now.

Lilith - I've never been a viable lynch because I've never done anything scummy. That's you. And yeah, of course I pushed hard on Wisdom yesterday. He was obvscum. I appreciate your WIFOM and everything, but there's no reason I would buddy you.

Wait, how am I buddying you? You can defend yourself now.

[KuroiXHF]

Nevermind. I thought you said I was buddying you. I also misspoke, Beeboy is confirmed.

I'm looking for your name under Wisdom's ISO. I don't see him buddying you, but I do see 255. I mean, do you think Wisdom was buddying you from 327?

You're the only one who thinks I'm scum, Lilith and I understand why you're flailing. It's all you got. So whatever you got to do to make your case, do it.

[KuroiXHF]

I only have one game of me as scum:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65032 - Feel free to search through my ISO.

[KuroiXHF]

I... don't think so? I was thinking about if I wanted to protect you or BBT, but I don't think I said anything.

I just went through my ISO and I can't find anything that sounds like softing.

[KuroiXHF]

Thanks, Beeboy. We won!

[KuroiXHF]

You better be truthing.

Depends on your definition of we.

[KuroiXHF]

Damn it. I knew Beeboy was scum!

[KuroiXHF]

BTW, forgot to remember to ask this but who was the clear?

[KuroiXHF]

Oh, NICE! Thanks. I completely forgot about that option, but it does make sense.