Micro 574 — Space Invaders Mafia 4 — Game Over

[RadiantCowbells]

We don't have much time and Ranger didn't look at this game.

Zzz.

[RadiantCowbells]

why's it suicide to double bus in this setup?

one of you gets vigged, other is in the clear.

[RadiantCowbells]

read steven universe mafia.

drixx and I fought all of late d1 and d2 then I blew up at Fro99er for attempting to vig me when I was an innocent child.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like this is so hard to argue because I see where you're coming from here Ranger.
This is precisely what I'd do as scum. I think you're misinterpreting my intent with regards to the jump off where I was just fucking pissed at Beeboy.
That shouldn't be seen as a strategic maneuever because I was pissed as fuck.

I would not, however, have done it as scum because I would have wanted to get the max towncred for NM's bus.

He was getting lynched no matter what with his piss poor effort. I would not have sacrificed any amount of that juicy towncred.
I would not have wanted NM alive, in other words.

But, jump in and bus the shit out of my partner and coast off the towncred it exactly what I'd do as scum.
And it's essentially what's happened here. So I see why you see things that way.
But I'm town, and you need to believe that before we're going to get anywhere productive.

And yeah, NM didn't hammer me. He dropped the ball on that. Doesn't mean I'm not town.

[RadiantCowbells]

why's it suicide to double bus in this setup? one of you gets vigged, other is in the clear.

Because in order to win, you have to navigate:
-The town-controlled lynch D1.
-The town-controlled laser D2.
-The town-controlled lynch D2.
-The town-controlled laser D3.
-The town controlled lynch D3.

At minimum

.
With bad luck regarding protections, you could theoretically get into a position where town gets

an extra laser and lynch

.
That's FIVE town-controlled chances to kill you at minimum, potentially seven! Seven chances, with one confirmed town player.

That's a gauntlet.

Someone like YOU, Radiant, would try it. Discard the weak scumbuddy, play solo, get towncred, let town eat themselves apart, and cruise to the win.

Someone like BlueBloodedToffee would not.

This is also something I apply to Errantparabola: Errant is a reasonably conservative scum player. Errant would know the odds would be against them if Not_Mafia died so early, which is another reason why I think it's you, not Errant.

BBT has no issues bussing their scumpartners for the record.

[RadiantCowbells]

Still think Bulba was town, still don't like how EP has started the day.

VOTE: EP

[RadiantCowbells]

You've really fallen short of the promise you showed in Blitz 21 in every game since then

[RadiantCowbells]

like you've never lynched me as scum yet, true.
but you've never lynched me as town.
and when you're talking to a person who 30-1 when getting lynched is town, that's something to be proud of.

pls stahp.

[RadiantCowbells]

like there's no arguments that I can make when I know full well that my scum game is virtually indistinguishable from my town game, and the NM not hammering thing is pretty relevant.

but I'm town so you gotta get your shit together.

[RadiantCowbells]

like if there's anything that you should believe and take to heart as to why I'm town here
it's that this is not how I would approach the game as scum.
as scum I favour wallposting and arguing because i'm damn good at selling garbage cases and taking a few slight errors all the way to the bank
but I see the limitations of that when I'm actually town and play a lot quieter.
like there's a bunch of things that I might be doing if I were scum here, but this is absolutely not it. My honour.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't know.
I can't play properly under pressure.
I'm trying to get you to leave me alone so I can get space to breathe and maybe solve this thing.

I care more about gaining info than pleasing you by asking for your rival to get shot.

stuff like this.
he actively tried to deflate the beeboy/me conflict but in a way that didn't feel profiteery at all. I can't say the latter about EP.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't understand how you can interpret this as anywhere close to cheeky.

I'm tired.

[RadiantCowbells]

Cheeky = confident? yeah that's pretty standard for me.

especially when I'm feeling really confident about a game.

[RadiantCowbells]

still pretty sure but I want to use tomorrow to do a bunch of peaceful rereading so

UNVOTE:

[RadiantCowbells]

You're claiming that you townread me and scumread her and yet you're talking to Ranger and not me.

why?

[RadiantCowbells]

You're claiming that you townread me and scumread her and yet you're talking to Ranger and not me.

why?

because you're not producing content that I deem reply worthy.
UNVOTE:

*shrug*
what I'm doing here is way more of a towntell than shoving walls down your face.

[RadiantCowbells]

let's just agree that I can talk either of you down no sweat.

that doesn't mean I should, that doesn't mean that me doing so would somehow make me town.

[RadiantCowbells]

In fairness, I don't like to manipulate people emotionally.
I just felt the need to do it this one game.
I will never play the way I did this way again. The only game I've played to be emotionally manipulative to this extent was 184.
It's both too easy and too unpleasant, I think.

Manipulating people's emotions in this way makes me feel dirty.
I only do it when I'm super invested in winning a game or super pissed off.
And to 'act' resigned/frustrated like I am now requires me to make myself feel resigned/frustrated which doesn't feel good and so I avoid it.

It's hard to put into words but it just feels manipulative in a more horrible way than just winning, and after 558 which ripped me apart on the inside, it's eh.

then again I'm just a hyper emotional person and maybe not everyone would have it be as big of a deal for them: but that's sort of where I stand on the issue.
and frankly I can win games without trying to make people feel like shit for scumreading me as scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Apri, need you here.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm mid reread right now.

I don't like EP's play today. I agree with Ranger that it feels like he's been trying to play both sides.
He claims to be scumreading me but hasn't at all tried to convince me to vote elsewhere nor basically talked to me at all.
His ridiculously strong townread on me that mysteriously disappeared was also pretty unsupported.
He's been saying that he thinks I'm town and Ranger is scum but he's been trying to get Ranger to vote me, which doesn't jive at all.

What are your thoughts?

And no, I do not. I used it last night.

[RadiantCowbells]

Nor would it be a good idea even if I did.

Even if all 3 of us did, we can't know for sure that scum wouldn't have double shot and managed to wring out a win by sniping bunkers.

We lynch today.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that scum were not expecting NM to survive from the get go. Associatives there hold little value, though I note Soren's were really bad.
I do think that Ranger's vote switch felt sort of bad. Not sure what to do about that. Doesn't outweigh the rest of what I have at the moment.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's what he claims.

His play doesn't mesh with that.

[RadiantCowbells]

5. Say you're town. Would town you really be convinced by the shit that's RC is pulling right now? I say no.

because you're not producing content that I deem reply worthy.
UNVOTE:

and that he's generally attacking me more than Ranger while declaring me a townread.
little explanation of where townread originates, etc.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'd like to actually talk to EP but I'm not sure if he'll be on.

[RadiantCowbells]

this is just a blatant lie.
if i had to evaluate both of Ranger's and RC's recent plays, they would both be scummy to some degree. I said earlier that my vote on Ranger was founded on the belief that RC had early play that I believed came from town. I unvoted because the townread I had on RC could have possibly been coming from scum, knowing RC's capabilities of being universally townread quickly (a possibility that I refused to consider until RC's abysmal late game play).

you've said this whole game that you've thought I'm town.
I'm town. now all of a sudden ranger's scumreading me and your vote changes.
what gives?

[RadiantCowbells]

That was actually a pretty bad post >.< Before that I was going to put the EP/Ranger arguing as TvT.

I'm town dudette.

Seriously.
Like, when I'm scum my ISO is essentially flawless but you'd look at me and just have niggling feelings that I'm scum because something's just not right.
I can't outplay gut.

Conversely, when I'm town my ISO can be screwed and often scummy as hell but you should have a gut feeling that I'm here trying to solve the game.
Which is it, Apri?

[RadiantCowbells]

Apri, I'm going to ask you to trust me in a way that you're going to know that you rationally shouldn't but you should go ahead and do it anyway because I think you know in your heart that I'm town.

I want you to vote Ranger so I can confirm myself as town.

Please?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I can go through all my scum wins and you'll find the same pattern.

My play is objectively conftown but people having bad gut pings and they want to lynch me and they don't understand why.

RC, my gut is saying both you and ika are scum.

^Titus.
I can find other examples.
I think that right now you feel like all of us 'should' be town, but my ISO has holes and the NM thing and I've played like shit and because of that you believe that I'm the most likely to be scum.

Am I correct?

[RadiantCowbells]

Because I'm not going to hammer.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't deserve your trust but I'm going to ask for it anyway.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm sorry.
I townread 3dice more than others at the end but not quite.
Truth is that my reads are severely handicapped when it comes to people who scumread me.
I get emotionally involved and my reads on them turn to shit and sadly Bulba and Soren/EP were sufficiently towny that I didn't get any other impulses to go on.
I'm sorry, I played like shit. I've played like shit before and I'll play like shit in the future. But I don't think we can win this unless you trust me.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's the point. I want you to put her to L-1 so I can not hammer and then we can talk from the position of you knowing that I am town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Believe or don't but I would feel like total shit for talking to you the way that I'm talking to you as scum. It wouldn't be worth it for me.
I want to be free to do my thing without you scumreading me for it. I think this is the only way we have a chance of winning.
Please. I'm town, I swear.

Doing that doesn't conftown you though. You could be scum and just not hammer yet, then quickhammer whenever you felt like it. I also have no guarantee that you'll do as you say and not vote Ranger.

You don't.
And if I could quickhammer I would as scum. I wouldn't prolong it to torment you.
The point is that I want you to prove me as town because it will change the playing field in a way that will allow me to be a thousand times more useful.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm already in a position to win by playing EP and Ranger against each other.
If I were scum I'd just let them duke it out.

I'm asking this now because I need time as conftown to finish this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Look.
You should be aware that from the get go I was trying to be your friend.
I don't like making friends as scum. I don't do community building as scum.
I keep my distance because I'm an emotional person and betraying people's trust hurts me on the inside.
I hate LyLo as scum. My heart goes out for town regardless of which alignment I play. I feel like shit when town loses even in games that I'm not involved in.
I would rather lose this game as scum than win this by appealing to you in the way I'm doing this.

scumRC is most certainly ballsy enough to ask for that.

I'm ballsy enough.

But I wouldn't.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's not a question of nerve.
It's a question of the fact that appealing to Apricity personally for this and betraying her trust would leave a horrible taste in my mouth.

[RadiantCowbells]

EP is town without a doubt for that unvote. I need to step away from this for a minute.

No, he's not.

He may see it as extremely undesirable for me to be cleared.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am almost positive that you are trustworthy enough not to lie about your personality to win a game but I don't see what's preventing you from "doing your thing" as it is.
Why would "doing your thing" make you subject to getting scumread?

You'll understand.

[RadiantCowbells]

I want to see how Ranger and EP interact with me from the position of knowing that I'm confirmed town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Look honestly that's a straight up lie.

I can't explain it.

You're going to have to either trust me or not.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean taht IS a reason: but it's not the main one.

and the main one utterly loses value if I explain it.

[RadiantCowbells]

What is the alternative, EP?
I'm town. I've gone far down roads that I avoid like the plague as scum.

This is the most stressful game I've ever played, on any site or IRL >.<

This is true.
I would not be intentionally putting you on the spot and stressing you out if I were scum.
I am doing so, 100%, because I think I can get through to you.
I really don't want to lose this after I fucked up so much.

[RadiantCowbells]

We have 3 hours to solve the game.
Either of you can prove that I'm town.
Nothing you can do will help more than doing so.

this is basically where i'm at regarding you RC. so there isn't really that much difference between post you being confirmed and right now.

Selfvote then. I will not hammer.

[RadiantCowbells]

What use is that?

What does me convincing Apri have to do with anything?

[RadiantCowbells]

no hammer.

[RadiantCowbells]

unvote.

[RadiantCowbells]

idk what my thing was even.

I just wanted to be trusted.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well I did sort of have a reason.

[RadiantCowbells]

Apri, I think that ranger is probably the scum now.

[RadiantCowbells]

idk just

y'know

she feels like she's putting on airs with me

staging a show.

[RadiantCowbells]

ep feels up front.

I don't want to make the decision because i've been so bad this game though.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm always hiding things.

having a hard time believing that's the reason for your 180.
i'm also still kind of in shock that you didn't actually have a good reason for that shit you just pulled.

If I did have a good reason I'll explain it in postgame.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm sorry.

[RadiantCowbells]

Nothing reply worthy really.
Pretty sure most questions would be answered by my iso.
Im putting my schoolwork off as well.

Where are you at re. RC and Ranger? Who would you vote for?

I'm confirmed sweetheart :\

[RadiantCowbells]

Maybe NM just wanted to kill BBT.

[RadiantCowbells]

But he unvoted which shows that he's somewhat insecure about it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Apricity if you tell me to vote I will follow you without question nor a word of blame if you pick wrong.

But I do think that EP is town.

[RadiantCowbells]

But he unvoted which shows that he's somewhat insecure about it.

Do you think that's more towny or scummy?

Neither, but it COULD show that he was insecure about having voted immdiately after his partner.

[RadiantCowbells]

We've only got a few hours btw.

Can we get something done?

[RadiantCowbells]

I am as confirmed as you.

That said you want me to vote someone tell me and I will.

[RadiantCowbells]

I've fucked this game up enough.

I want to hide behind you and let you take responsibility for the vote pls.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am not scum.

VOTE: Ranger

[RadiantCowbells]

Apricity if you think that you would feel bad if I was manipulating you here

that's nothing compared to how I would feel.

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

just before we hammer
I want to say that EP if scum has played amazing
so that makes me fucking pissed if he is because he did fuck all in 192.
i'd legit be hella mad at you.

[RadiantCowbells]

you agree that if you're capable of this level of play and just fucking lurksacked while the last goon got lynched I get to hate you?

[RadiantCowbells]

you agree that if you're capable of this level of play and just fucking lurksacked while the last goon got lynched I get to hate you?

meh, i think it just means i'm more confident with my posting as town. which is a switch from my play when i first played, i think.

pedit- pretty sure ranger's vote is on me, apri.

that's not what I'm mean.
I'm saying if you're capable of playing scum this well and you did fuck all in 192 I'm going to hate you forever.
understood?

[RadiantCowbells]

you agree that if you're capable of this level of play and just fucking lurksacked while the last goon got lynched I get to hate you?

meh, i think it just means i'm more confident with my posting as town. which is a switch from my play when i first played, i think.

pedit- pretty sure ranger's vote is on me, apri.

that's not what I'm mean.
I'm saying if you're capable of playing scum this well and you did fuck all in 192 I'm going to hate you forever.
understood?

[RadiantCowbells]

You're taking an awful long time to respond.

[RadiantCowbells]

No.
I'm saying that if you are capable of playing to the level that you are here as scum
then I'm disgusted at the lack of effort you put into 192.
is that understood?

[RadiantCowbells]

what's that supposed to mean?

[RadiantCowbells]

why.

[RadiantCowbells]

which is to say that you're town.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Ranger

[RadiantCowbells]

Apri.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hammer or call for a wagon change >.>

[RadiantCowbells]

Apri I'm not scum and I'd hate myself too.

[RadiantCowbells]

Apri ffs.

[RadiantCowbells]

I will check in before hammer if you want to change.

I think this is correct but I've been awful this game so I'll follow you.

[RadiantCowbells]

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[RadiantCowbells]

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[RadiantCowbells]

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[RadiantCowbells]

I am super sorry Apri.

[RadiantCowbells]

I honestly played like shit this whole game.
Dewy, BBT, Beeboy, you were townreading all of them and I fucked you over and got them killed.
If we've lost here, we lost because I made you kill people you were townreading.
I'm sorry for that.

[RadiantCowbells]

EP, did we just lose?

[RadiantCowbells]

Thanks for townreading me in spite of everything.
I didn't deserve it, though I was town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh, yo uwant me to vote EP?

[RadiantCowbells]

Apri, no chance of your mind changing?

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: EP

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright.

EP?

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok.

If we ever play again and am towreading you, Apricity, I will sheep your votes to the ends of the earth.

[RadiantCowbells]

I hate how I 180d my reads right before the end.

Everytime I do I end up being wrong. Ugh. Should stick with my reads.

There was a point where I was 100% sure Bulba was town then I fucked up and 180d.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok.

If we ever play again and am towreading you, Apricity, I will sheep your votes to the ends of the earth.

No, this is probably an exception. I'm usually quite terrible at LyLo.

pedit: I also do that. I thought EP was maybe scum, then definitely town, then scum again.

no, stop.
you supported the NM lynch and opposed every single town that got killed.
you have no idea how much respect I have for you rn.

[RadiantCowbells]

RC, you stop. I was responsible for 3dice and BBT too. Those were my fault.

no, BBT was my pet wagon that I had been strongarming the entire game.
3dice, maybe, but he was in my scumpool.
you were amazingly solid this game. well done. sorry for being fucking awful this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah can we get EP nominated for best scum play or whatever that's called. He was incredible. I still put my final choice down as part luck.

don't sell yourself short.

[RadiantCowbells]

I was wrong about literally everything.
NM was a gimme. I accept no accolades for that.
3dice was in my scumpool, BBT and Beeboy happened because I was being an idiot, Dewy was my main wagon, and I ended up 180ing for shitty reasons back to Ranger and even tried to lynch wrong on LyLo.

I was an iron ball chained to you all game and you still managed to make this win happen.
I know everything's fine. Just give yourself the credit you deserve. you were awesome.

[RadiantCowbells]

No thanks to me.

urgh.

[RadiantCowbells]

For the record

1) i'm pretty drunk. Maybe sober!me wouldn't have switched to EP for no reasons
and
2) I was more reaction testing you than talking about my legitimate feelings towards you.

though I do stand by the fact that you were awful in 192. But so was Golden and the game's over so w/e.

oh and 3) Apricity was awesome.
as we all know. And BBT/Beeboy, I did have legitimate reasons to scumread you guys for the record.
I'm sure other people would have pointed them out to you, but if either of you think there was no substance to my scumread I'll be happy to explain.

[RadiantCowbells]

This is only the 3rd game I've played where I'd self describe as absolutely horrible.

But it's the first I've won, so that's something.

[RadiantCowbells]

If I had bullied Apricity into changing her mind and we had lost I'd want to stab myself.

[RadiantCowbells]

Although I ha\/e learned there is a point where I listen to your teammates no matter how right I think I am so I think my play impro\/ed.

/shrug
I never learned this and I do fine.
My resentment of you was horribly unfair and I apologize for it.
I really do have a lot to improve on.

[RadiantCowbells]

Only people getting nominated are you and EP.