Micro 592: Lovers Mafia GAME OVER

[chilledtea]

This post is for confirmation.

Hi, will do a quick read of the game and post my thoughts.

[chilledtea]

Well that was relatively quick.

I think firestarter and lovelygiant are scum.

The reasons being, I think suzune is not scum and genuinely made a mistake in understanding her role. I think Maestro is town. He has been pretty aggressive and also sensible in his approach to this game. I think itlepip is town because of his initial reads of suzune.

It isn't that firestarter's starting post (3) was that indicative. But by process of elimination, and also because of what he has posted till now, I don't get the confidence from him that he is town.

[chilledtea]

VOTE: lovelygiant

My vote currently stands on lovelygiant and will probably remain so until he arrives here.

[chilledtea]

process of elimination, and also because of what he has posted till now

WTF "process of elimination" how? Also, FS has made 2 posts since his opening post. Buddying and a leaning-Scum read on somebody who's been completely inactive, out of thin air. Can we lynch this slot please? It is

NOT

Town.

Also @tea, I understand how you can

independently

read both myself and itlepip as Town given our

independent

reactions to the Suzune "slip" issue, but how do you reconcile those reads and then conclude with the assertion that [Maestro, chilledtea, itlepip, Suzune] are all Town? If so, that also seems far too easy to me to be true, and I wouldn't trust it even if you did have much to back it up.

@itlepip: you still think Suzune slipped, correct? If so, who is her partner?

PEDIT: Why are you voting lovelygiant?

Do you guys realize how amazingly easy it is for lg to be scum, and lurk out an important phase of the game

while

also avoiding suspicion? THAT is why the vote is on him. A couple of more and maybe he will be here to defend himself.

As far as why not firestarter, he has posted 2 times. There isn't much to read there.
Process of elimination means I eliminate who I think are town and then consider the remaining as scum. Easy enough? These are initial reads, not something that I am 100% sure of anyways.

[chilledtea]

Maestro
lovelygiant
Fire Starter
chilledtea
Suzune
itlepip


Well since I'm town, chilled tea is town, and Suzune is most likely town.

That leaves you, giant, and pip. Would prefer if giant were to post, but happy with any of those three.

What does it mean that chilled is town if you are town?

[chilledtea]

No generally I don't talk about myself in 3rd person.

I accept that I misread that.

[chilledtea]

Haha, no you didn't. I was just a bit baffled by the way he wrote. As if he knows I am town. It could be the way he writes.

[chilledtea]

Let us suppose, that suzzune hadn't misread her role pm.

How many people here would think she is scum?

[chilledtea]

Until Suzzune defended herself from that "slip", I thought she was scum. I am just wondering whether something like that can be orchestrated.

[chilledtea]

Can we get a vote count? Thanks in advance.

[chilledtea]

I still think lg is scum. Firestarter is probably town, I like Maestro for town. Which means one of suzzune and itlepip are scum, and I think it might be itlepip. Although I agreed with his initial read of suzzune.

LG coming back after my vote on him and then buddying me. I don't like that.

[chilledtea]

So like do people have anything to say at all?

I would like if people could give their opinions regarding lynching lovelygiant.

[chilledtea]

Guys. How come there is nothing to say for anyone.

[chilledtea]

I am not sure of either of you. Hmm.

I think we should still go for lovelygiant/Nadia. I think her entry with "thank god I am town" could be fake.

[chilledtea]

Sure. Then get itlepip tomorrow because I'm that freaking sure I solved this game on just one read through.

You think itlepip is someone who is going for the "low hanging fruit" or easy target? Considering that it would bite him back, I would say scum would be very careful in this mode. They have to play a flawless game.

Two of Firestarter, you, maestro, itlepip are scum. Maestro has gone quiet now but that can be said about everyone. I have this strange feeling that itlepip might be town.

I will re-read the thread again and see what I find.

[chilledtea]

I think itlepip thought lynching Suzune was going to be way easier and then when the wagon dissipated wasn't sure what to do so he just sat on it and pouted, knowing the vote wasn't actually gonna happen and wanting to seem "genuine" by not switching off.

You know, I like you for now. Your clear-mindedness regarding this is good. For now I will consider you town.

If you were to choose between Firestarter and Maestro, who is scum?

[chilledtea]

Using that logic scum should be Maestro and itlepip. But it's rarely ever that easy.

[chilledtea]

Look. I was very much in sync with itlepip when he got suspicious of Suzzune for her second post. Suzzune's second post :

That post above should be doesn't.

I agree wth maestro. There was a definite intention behind that post. There was no reason to say it unless it hoped with out stack the deck in his favour. Moves like thet are calculated and considering the same game sizzle we cannot afford to make a mistake. Such a move threatens the town. Therefore, I question a scum motive as well because such an antic benifits the scum rather then the town.

I think his logic is sound. Therefore I believe he plays like me. Whether people know it or not is not my concern. We have never played before therefore I did not know it. You attempt then to predisposition players into your meta. That is something I do not appreciate.

This just felt weird to me. Why the need to point out that we cannot afford to make a mistake? It felt like she was trying to prove her "towniness".

[chilledtea]

Anyways, the point I am making is, it is possible that itlepip is town even though suzzune is town.

[chilledtea]

Nahdia, who the hell is my partner, cause this game feels like I've been talking to fricken walls.

chilledtea or Fire Starter. from what i've seen so far I'd probably lean towards the latter.

Allright, so I will just assume you think it is Firestarter + Itlepip as the team.

In my eyes, you are good. I am good.

I am ok with firestarter lynch for today. I am not feeling itlepip as scum.

[chilledtea]

Lol I can't really defend myself against a sarcastic passive aggressive accusation. If itlepip it is then so be it. If he is scum we win.

[chilledtea]

You know.
VOTE: itlepip

I just hope you are not scum now.

[chilledtea]

I mean, if itlepip is scum I get to learn something. If he was town I was right all along. So it is kinda win-win.

[chilledtea]

There are 4 town, 2 scum. In this game you don't need a good reason town read someone, you need a good reason to scum read someone.

[chilledtea]

There is a 66% chance a person is town in this game. And that is if you pick them randomly. If someone seems in sync with your thoughts then it is better to go along with their thoughts, no?

Anyways. If I am scum, I would be super dumb to try and buddy someone like this. Like my chances of getting lynched is 16% and that is if you pick me randomly. This is why I thought that scum would try to not be too aggressive.

[chilledtea]

Distancing in this game means nothing. Just assume there is one scum and remove one of the scum reads from your list. That is what this game is now.

[chilledtea]

Agreed.

chilledtea looks particularly optimistic throughout this whole exchange and the dialogue I had with itlepip rang way more Town than Scum to me. Nahdia - what're your thoughts on that bit? I can go find the part I'm talking about if you didn't already read it in detail.

PEDIT: LOL WRONG in this game in particular we should be Townhunting - FS using PoE and voting me is the only thing keeping me from considering him confScum. Town should be looking for reasons (any reason, really) to call somebody Town in a game where the Scum would normally be so closely linked. They'll be trying to hide it with all their might. That's why I'm not sold on itlepip/chilledtea and it's the main reason I'm less sold on itlepip in general (mainly @Nahdia). I had him in my townpile and you in my Scumpile because lovelygiant was a lurky fucksack. I will lynch {Fire Starter, chilledtea} today, no exceptions.

PEDIT: Nahdia, itlepip is Town. Fucking work with me.

We should be doing both townhunting and scumhunting. Townhunting is relatively easier than scumhunting.

That is what I meant. Go back and read what I wrote.

[chilledtea]

Lol I don't even care man.

VOTE: chilledtea

There. Hammer if you want.

[chilledtea]

Look. If you are going to consider me scum because I am trying to work with town in unity because that is "buddying", then you don't even deserve me man. Like you just don't.

[chilledtea]

chilledtea's vote on itlepip was opportunistic as heck considering they were saying they townread them and scumread my slot like 5 posts prior lol.

This is another fucking strike against itlepip being Scum, dude. Are you reading your own posts?

It was making a point. She told me to vote him. Maybe she wanted to test me to she if I was itlepip's partner or some thing.

[chilledtea]

If I get lynched there is going to be another day. So start predicting who your next lynch is going to be.

[chilledtea]

Which is the truth.

By the way, once I get lynched, lynch Maestro because he is scum. Now all that remains is who he is scum with.

[chilledtea]

Because he thinks that itlepip is conf!scum if he doesn't hammer me. Makes no sense in any way at all. He thinks I am itlepip's partner in that particular post, but before he said that itlepip is probably town.

How come he changed his mind so quickly?

[chilledtea]

By self-voting I made it one vote easier for scum to get a mislynch. Look at Maestro - he is basically licking his lips with opportunism in that post.

[chilledtea]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Maestro

[chilledtea]

Let FireStarter come in and say something. He hasn't said anything in 3 days so he actually deserves a prod if not a replacement.

[chilledtea]

By the way that self-vote was 100% emotional in nature. I kinda got scared that maybe I might have lynched myself and then checked to see I was L-1

[chilledtea]

The best lie is the one that is mixed with a hint of truth. Just because a person is known to say truth, doesn't mean he cannot lie.

Similarly, sometimes, scum will "defend" even actual townies or look like defending to get town credits at the end of the day. There were a couple of options for him left - he could have left her alone - in which case he could have casted suspicion on himself because of maybe lurking or whatever. The other option was to slyly go for her lynch - now this is all assuming that suzzune is town. If he knows that she is town he also knows that she messed up in her understanding her role. Defending someone might come naturally to a scum like that if he feels that jumping on her bandwagon might look opportunistic.

[chilledtea]

I ask you this, is it worth getting in the scumradar of the rest of the town on next day to get a mislynch? People play to their win condition and this will always revolve around their heads.

[chilledtea]

Even then, I think somewhere inside scum will feel that "this is too early, maybe I should just act" or something along those lines. I think if it was at the end of the deadline then that could have been different.

[chilledtea]

By self-voting I made it one vote easier for scum to get a mislynch. Look at Maestro - he is basically licking his lips with opportunism in that post.

Self voting is always scummy. A townie would fight to the end in order to help the team win. Town is a team.

If Firestarter does not hammer I will.

So where's the hammer?

Also, where does firestarter come in here?

Why does firestarter have to hammer instead of you?

Anyways, no. There are some moments where self-vote makes sense. I think that two of Maestro, Firestarter and you are scum. Nahdia and itlepip are prob town.

It is also likely that you and Maestro are a team.

[chilledtea]

People who are not pairs:

Myself + Anyone bc I'm town
itlepip + Maestro
itlepip + Suzune
chilledtea + Suzune
Maestro + chilledtea

Fire Starter can be partners with p much anyone let's lynch 'em

I wanted to refer to this. From your perspective it may make sense but remember that you defended Suzzune too. So it is actually possible that you and Suzzune are a team.
Lovelygiant also thought that Suzzune is town.

Anyways, I am not a big fan of "look who is defending and consider them scum" I mean, if we have town reads we will defend them, right?

[chilledtea]

I guess I should just wait for itlepip's case on me.

[chilledtea]

Okay, ignoring the "buddying" nonsense, I feel like itlepip is town. I went through his ISO once again.

I think that Maestro + Suzzune is the likely team. Suzzune giving up and apologising to the town is the only thing that is making me unsure of her. Which brings to a good question asked by Nahdia (why would Maestro defend suzzune).

Nahdia, apart from possible teams PoE, why do you want to lynch firestarter?

I would also like to hear from firestarter. And itlepip's case. That is very important.

[chilledtea]

If we were to assume that suzzune is town (which is likely because there is risk in faking emotions like that as scum - difficult to imagine in this setup) :

Maestro defends Suzzune

Itlepip attacks Suzzune

Firestarter defends Suzzune

Nahdia defends Suzzune

SS attacked Suzzune - but I didn't think much of it - in similar ways to lovely.

There was at least one scum who defended Suzzune. Itlepip and SS are the only ones who went offensive actually - so the theory that Suzzune was likely going to get lynched doesn't seem valid.

I feel a lot better about Nahdia so lets take it out.

At least one scum in {Firestarter, Maestro}. That is the conclusion I am getting to.

If itlepip is town then both firestarter and maestro are scum. If itlepip is scum then it is one of them.

Re-reading Maestro's ISO makes me like him. I don't remember if I thought he was town or scum initially. But he got paranoid about SS and I am going to consider that, that was not fake.

Under this analysis, a team of Firestarter + itlepip is possible. However this is under several assumptions :
1) Suzzune is town.
2) I am town (obv).

The only thing I don't like about itlepip is he actually changed his viewpoints regarding Suzzune after initially saying that under no circumstance he was going to change his vote. He was confident that Suzzune is scum and has scumslipped. It was under that assumption that he thought Maestro and Suzzune were scumpartners. If he were to change his thoughts regarding Suzzune then his thoughts regarding Maestro and others - specifically SS (or myself) will change.

We can see that firestarter is enjoying the show from the sidelines. What made me suspicious of lovely was exactly that, and nahdia is active.

UNVOTE:

I am personally ok with firestarter lynch. I am not so sure of Maestro now. I guess in a fit of emotion I thought Maestro was indeed scum, but if he was considering itlepip as scum initially and only changed his views because itle thought I was obvscum, then it makes sense for him to consider itlepip as scum if he didn't hammer me.

[chilledtea]

I believe there is some hang up like l, x player was going to prove themselves by hammering. I was not certain they were aware of said fact so I figured I would wait so they could prove themself.

Firestarter didn't post in this thread for the last three days.

Where does he come in the picture? Also which player wanted to prove himself? Also I am not at L-1 now. I unvoted and nahdia unvoted so I am L-3. How is anyone going to hammer anyone?

[chilledtea]

Hey, you are the one who is saying it doesn't make sense from town. Which means you need to work on understanding what makes sense and what doesn't.

I think it is acceptable if reads fluctuate a lot on day 1. I have very little to go on, and until the self-vote there wasn't much happening. Literally the only things that happened this game is suzzune misunderstanding her role/faking her misunderstanding and me "buddying" and self-voting.

Also if I re-read the thread and have a different opinion that makes me scum? Appeal to emotion means something other than what you have assumed.

I also withdrew my self-vote because, it is kinda against my win condition. Your argument regarding 66% and 16% is dumb because it comes from the perspective that I am already scum. That is classic confirmation bias. You are saying that I am using them as excuse, but you KNOW that it is still correct.

Yeah, 66% is good enough. Maybe that is why reads are fluctuating.

Meanwhile Mr. ittlepip "chilled is scum because his reads are fluctuating" what is your opinion regarding suzzune? What is your opinion regarding Something_Smart?
What is your opinion regarding Maestro?

LOL. Your reads have fluctuated as well. It means nothing. This is day 1 not day 5 where "reads are fluctuating" is a scumtell. I mean, I understand fluctuating reads are a scumtell but when there is no reason for the fluctuation. It is also important to understand how strongly one is feeling about their scumreads.

Maestro was the only one I think I genuinely fluctuated on. Like I did think he was scum for his statement. But now I don't.

Also, other than PoE there isn't much you can do anyway on page 4. I find it amusing that you think I will have ton load of evidence regarding my town reads when nobody does.

[chilledtea]

This is good play from SS which probably means he is scum. Don't like Suzune's 19, seems to be early buddying

[v Suzune[/v]

May have already caught the scum team

VOTE: Suzune

So Suzzune is scum.

That doesn't answer the question why are you certain that Suzune is a mislynch? You are doing the exact thing you are accusing SS of by preparing a lynch tomorrow of SS assuming Suzune is a miss WHICH SHE ISN'T!

Stop preparing a lynch tomorrow if you think suzune just slipped. I agree that in a normal game connection can be drawn between Suzune and SS but not in a game where the first scum lynch just ends the fricken game.

Pedit: Holy shit dude. Scratch what I said about Suzune/SS I'm pretty sure its you and suzune given how hard you are doubtcasting that lynch.

Oh Ok. Maestro is scum.

Maestro
lovelygiant
Fire Starter
chilledtea
Suzune
itlepip


Well since I'm town, chilled tea is town, and Suzune is most likely town.

That leaves you, giant, and pip. Would prefer if giant were to post, but happy with any of those three.

Yeah go over all of those.

Maestro FS would probably be a start if and only if we always kill suzune tomorrow if FS flips town.

Huh? Firestarter.

Using that logic scum should be Maestro and itlepip. But it's rarely ever that easy.

No because Maestro is the person that fricken killed my Suzune thing in the first place, which is why I am pretty sure that he is scum with suzune and just no one is seeing this but me. SS fricken saw it too and was arguing that he was the one that actually pulled the slip by playing along with it or whatever.

Nahdia, who the hell is my partner, cause this game feels like I've been talking to fricken walls.

Okay ignoring Suzune for a moment Chilledtea is pretty obv scum here. This is the play where scum buddy someone to try to get a tertiary ML and then when they catch flak they vote there to prove they aren't partners. CT never had any good reason for town reading me and is just WKing

Something Smart is scum.

If maestro is scum not with suzune, he just blames the miss on me or SS and gets a free win. I figured out why other people think suzune is town, still not as convinced.

SS is town again.

See, I can do that too.

I mean, the only people you have left to scum read are nahdia and yourself. And probably because lovelygiant was lurking/inactive.

[chilledtea]

Okay, ignoring the "buddying" nonsense, I feel like itlepip is town. I went through his ISO once again.

I think that Maestro + Suzzune is the likely team. Suzzune giving up and apologising to the town is the only thing that is making me unsure of her. Which brings to a good question asked by Nahdia (why would Maestro defend suzzune).

Nahdia, apart from possible teams PoE, why do you want to lynch firestarter?

I would also like to hear from firestarter. And itlepip's case. That is very important.

whops didn't mean to quote that. but since I did; Maestro and Suzune aren't a team.

I get similar feeling but is there a specific reason why you think so ?

As far as firestarter lynch is considered, yes, I think I am ok with that.

[chilledtea]

I agree that I can see suzzune as town. I see Maestro as town too. But am sceptical of my read of Maestro.

[chilledtea]

Either itlepip is scum, or he doesn't understand my PoV and doesn't want to.

There is always a higher chance someone is town. This is the truth. Saying "you are not allowed" doesn't change the fact.

He seems upset by the fact that my PoE came at a time when there was little information available. I fail to understand why he thinks my PoE was concrete and unchangeable?

As far as Suzzune is concerned, initially I did read her as town. If I did consider her scum it was because of PoE and Maestro. Like, I was theorizing.

[chilledtea]

Like it seems like he is purposefully misrepping.

Anyways, he says that he is ok with firestarter lynch. I am ok with firestarter lynch too. I think the scum team is probably firestarter + itlepip.

Maybe we should take firestarter to L-1 and ask itlepip to hammer.

[chilledtea]

VOTE: Firestarter

[chilledtea]

Fire Starter: Yes
itlepip: Yes
Maestro : No
Suzune : No
Nahdia : No

[chilledtea]

I don't mind getting lynched, but I am town. You have 2 days so if you guys want to go with me so be it. This time around I won't even self-vote so you will have a good indication of who is on my wagon and on which position.

I think the scum team is ittlepip and firestarter. It makes a lot of sense from my perspective.

[chilledtea]

But what worries me about chilledtea is... he said he's only willing to lynch the other people i scumread. if he's scum, who is his partner..? he voted Fire Starter, so likely not them unless he's playin' dangerously. itlepip made a big case on them... Maestro was voting him at L-1 and didn't unvote. which only leaves Suzune????? but i think she's town?????????

i mean maybe it's a chilledtea Fire Bringer team. that could be a thing! chilledtea did only vote him with 1 other vote on him but... eeh.

Lol I am town. This is good analysis actually.

Let us experiment by taking firestarter to L-1 and then ask ittlepip to hammer.

[chilledtea]

And up until now ittlepip was probably very upset at firestarter in the PT for not showing up even though he was the lynch candidate.

[chilledtea]

By the way after my lynch if firestarter's activity starts increasing then please insta-lynch him.

[chilledtea]

Guys, if you don't lynch Firestarter/Ittlepip/the soldier, then lynch me. I am serious. This guys want to keep me for day 2 for a win. It makes complete sense to me to keep the scummiest guy for day 2 while going for someone weaker on day 1.

[chilledtea]

So is anyone interested in lynching anyone? Why is this game like this...

[chilledtea]

Okay, something unrelated. Just light hearted -

If there is no night kill, isn't the town better off living peacefully by killing no one? Hahaha.

[chilledtea]

We don't have that much time. Make up your minds quick. I am going for anyone between thesoldier/ittlepip.

[chilledtea]

I know of like TheSoldier why do you want to lynch him tea?

He is acting. Lynch maestro now and then go back to chilledtea on day 2. Even ittlepip is strictly interested in me.

While thesoldier's idea maybe correct, it is highly unwise to lynch anyone out of thesoldier/ittlepip/myself today.

VOTE: ittlepip

Just lynch ittlepip or thesoldier and we win this.

[chilledtea]

Suzune.

If I am obvscum then why suzzune?

[chilledtea]

Wow, there is 4 hours remaining. I don't see the lynch happening.

[chilledtea]

Well the deadline ended. What does this mean though?

[chilledtea]

VOTE: Maestro
WE GOTTA KILL SOMETHING

Should I hammer? I am almost positive this is town.

[chilledtea]

If I hammer will it mean anything?

[chilledtea]

We as town should just live peacefully without killing anyone and such...

Scratch that.

VOTE: ittepip

Now let us wait for the next 10 days for this lynch to happen.

[chilledtea]

"We as town" is a phrase that almost always comes from mafia, its trying to force the idea that you are part of town but usually it comes across as forced and fake. Here it is really obvious, 'As town' does nothing for that sentence and is just trying.

Suzune tea 2016!

VOTE: Tea

Haha that was a joke which you took seriously. Let me expain the "joke".

Generally in mafia games there is a danger to town from mafia because of night kills. However in this game there is no danger because there is no night kill and the evil ones are probably the town itself.

Get the joke? No? That's coz you are scum.

[chilledtea]

It should be interesting to see who puts the rest of the two votes on me. Chances are both scum will be on this train. If we assume ittlepip's one of the scum, either maestro or thesoldier will have to vote me if not both. Thesoldier's opinion was that I am not scum because I am not likely to be anyone's partner.

[chilledtea]

It should be interesting to see who puts the rest of the two votes on me. Chances are both scum will be on this train. If we assume ittlepip's one of the scum, either maestro or thesoldier will have to vote me if not both. Thesoldier's opinion was that I am not scum because I am not likely to be anyone's partner.

Great analysis there mate, if you are town in a 6p setup than if you get lynched if the 1 person off of your wagon is town(which is true 3/5s of the time)

than all of scum is on your wagon!!!

Also chilledtea if I was scum why would I not have hammered you when maestro put you at L-1 and was pressuring me to lynch you?

I think the nature of this game makes it that the town player will be off my wagon.

Also chilledtea if I was scum why would I not have hammered you when maestro put you at L-1 and was pressuring me to lynch you?

Several reasons - I think you wouldn't have hammered me. Anyone would be very wary of hammering someone who self-voted in a game where lynching one scum gives you victory.

In this game, self-voting can only come from town, not scum. Scum know this too, and will realize they will be in very difficult situation come tomorrow. Actually no one would vote anyone who is self-voting in this scenario. Scum are least likely.

[chilledtea]

Maestro's lack of activity practically makes it impossible to gauge his alignment other than analysing some of his earlier posts.

Which means that the team could be maestro / ittlepip or thesoldier / ittlepip. This game has got affected a lot by inactivity.

[chilledtea]

That's nice. Difference is my self vote came into the picture on day 1 midway through when there was very little happening. Your self-vote comes on day 2 when quite a lot had already happened.

Nice test though I like that. Keep that vote just like that then, and we will see what happens. The hammerer will almost always be town in this case regardless of your alignment.

[chilledtea]

It should be interesting to see who puts the rest of the two votes on me. Chances are both scum will be on this train. If we assume ittlepip's one of the scum, either maestro or thesoldier will have to vote me if not both. Thesoldier's opinion was that I am not scum because I am not likely to be anyone's partner.

This is fucking terrible confbias. I've wanted you gone since before you replaced in because your predecessor was worse than you are. Prepared to hammer.

PEDIT: gtfo chilledtea I don't even fucking care anymore

VOTE: tea

Maestro/ittlepip it is guys. You have got your team.

[chilledtea]

Excuse me?

What?

There is nothing to excuse. I am willing to bet you will once again go back to your lurking after my flip.

[chilledtea]

self-righteous shit

Yeah no I am not getting into this nonsense. You can think whatever you want man.

[chilledtea]

Also in case some misunderstanding happened, what I wanted to say was the soldier wouldn't hammer me because he thinks I am town. If he did he would be scum.

Obviously some people can't get that.

[chilledtea]

Okay this is a good time to play a game. You guys have brought me to L-1. So you think I am one of the scum.

I want you guys to think nicely and give an order to that person who you think is my partner - to lynch me. Whoever you guys think is my partner should lynch me. Nahdia, I know you want to accelerate this game, but unless you are scum you would know the benefits of this exercise.

[chilledtea]

OH well played.

itlepip was the third vote I thought I was still on you when I thought I was hammer.
And you think

I'm

Scum (with him?!) because he hopped right back on you after me? How does that make sense?

That makes this easy then. Soldier (or Soldier's slot, if he gets replaced) hammers you and we win. You two are Scum.

Anything else?

The only reason I thought you were scum was because of the fact that you came in here just to put the vote in, and conveniently when ittlepip put his vote as well.

Ittlepip is obvscum by the way. Soldier will put his vote because he is not in my team, why will he ever vote me if I am in his team? He would lose, he would rather nahdia do the work.

[chilledtea]

Also he thinks I am town, jesus man. He would be outed as obvscum if he votes me when he made the argument I am not scum because I don't have any partners.

[chilledtea]

Like I am just amazed at the attention that the town is putting in this game. According to ittlepip I am on Suzzune's side. Do you guys really think he thinks that?

If the town loses this game it is because of the fact that they don't care even a tiny bit to see what is happening.

[chilledtea]

Vote Count + deadline please.

[chilledtea]

ittlepip

[chilledtea]

So, nahdia, did you really think I would flip scum or something?

[chilledtea]

At least be honest, you did this to move the game forward.

[chilledtea]

Ok, so while you SHOULD lynch ittlepip next, I will make a small prediction in this twilight - that between maestro and soldier, maestro is the scum.

There is like a 5% chance that Nahdia and suzzune are partners. But town should be without fear and go for ittlepip's lynch because anything else is us losing. So yeah, in case it wasn't clear, lynch ittlepip.

[chilledtea]

i think u probably won't flip scum but whatever. if ur town then thesoldier's slot probably is too. i'll look into the possibility of a maestro/suzune team tomorrow and if im not convinced, vote itlepip.

Ittlepip tried to pull of what I did earlier to try and show that self-voting is not alignment indicative - this is definitely alignment indicative and you should vote ittlepip.

Suzzune/maestro is not a team. Maestro has defended ittlepip as well - during my self-voting for eg. One of suzzune/maestro/ittlepip is showing great laziness in playing this game(if they were town) and I am going with suzzune there. I mean, any of these could be scum, but I would say suzzune is that lazy town.

ittlepip is the safe lynch.

[chilledtea]

I absolutely don't mind getting mislynched if that means winning the game ittle.

[chilledtea]

Yeah, I was kind of starting to come around to that. RC really shit the bed here.

I would never have not voted you for that hammer on Chilledtea sadly.

The game was moving very very very slow. Can't blame her.

One thing I've observed is that replacements tend to not get such contexts which revolve around things related to the passage of time. For the replacement time doesn't fly in the same way so the reads will be different.