Micro 640: Perfect Cherry Blossom (Game Over)

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Okay this has to be LyLo.

I quick skimmed yesterday and I think it is GreyICE and zMuffin but want a bit of time to interact with people to validate.

For the love of God no one vote yet because scum can quick hammer.

@GreyICE you have consistently said Zmuffin is scum yet have never voted for him. You also talked about putting him under the radar of a power role in 360. With a bullet proof flipped and beeboy dead (likely desperado) how do you reconcile pushing muffin constantly while voting other people and claiming bussing?

@MuffinMan Why all the pushes on GreyICE yet you settle? You both keep saying you know things about each other and it is quite surprising.

@Both explain how this isn't cross bus to victory.

@Vedith Yoo Hoo activity is awesome

@Pieguyn Explain why you never comment a quote on a single muffin post and only one from GreyICE?

If I am wrong on Muffin+Grey gotta have Pieguyn in it.

Don't see any scum teams possible with Vedith in them.

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Well excuse me is desperado* wrote most of the questions preflip*

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A lot of it.

It is a simple question you say GreyICE is scum a lot. Yet push comes to shove your votes almost always ended up on someone else. Why the discord in voting pattern from your words?

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Lol. No.

It means I expect you to explain why I shouldn't think this is you and GreyICE scum team together.b

And nice try on the math sarcasm.

Here is one you will like.

COM.mafia.town.LyloException Post 800 Two scum remain of 5 players exception
Root cause: Mislynch A, B

Suspected scum parameters ZMuffin GreyICE run scum scrutiny protocol on subjects to confirm.

Look for signs of squirm.

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Question for the people voting me o/
Who am I scum with?

probably one of the people calling you town for shitty reasons (greyice, wisdom)

but hey, your softing probably bought you a day so good for you, i guess

You suspected him here but then Wisdom got lynched. Why weren't you voting GreyICE?

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Instead you choose Edo instead. Why?

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In spirit *

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Driving home I want your scumreads by the time I get home.

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1) I am a they
2) This was my breakdown

A)Beeboy is lying about the claim and scum.
B)Beeboy is telling the truth about the claim and is town.
B1) Beeboy is telling the truth about the claim and firing at me. GG no re my thoughts don't matter.
B2) Beeboy is telling the truth and firing at someone else.
Why lie in the thread then? Therefore I discount this option because if he shot it would be public knowledge.
B3)Beeboy is town and firing at no one.

A) B1) and B3) were the only possible options.

If Beeboy was alive that meant Beeboy scum because a Beeboy town would shoot if we lynched scum today. This makes Beeboy a liability because scum can't quick hammer the second LyLo. Therefore if Beeboy was town they had to be the shot.

Since I am alive and standing and not GG Beeboy was the forced kill.

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Boo bad muffin still no scum reads.

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why do you think mathblade is likely town

Luna's posts + I think her replace-out is pretty good indication that I was correct that she legitimately just couldn't deal with this game.

I also think math's first post in this game was about 100% more coherent than anything they did in the entirety of magical girl game (even if I think they're thoroughly wrong with the "called X scum but voted Y" logic it isn't something that I look at and think someone would have to be insane to even think), but it's mostly based on Luna.

i was voting greyice

Once and not doing a damn thing about it doesn't count. Again what are your scum reads and why?

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Oh and Pieguyn I knew that slot was boned and was trying to win while making it fun.

A better scum game of mine is Gistou or the newbie game. I am town but that is not my scum meta lol.

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i don't think it was obvious that beeboy was going to die last night

tbh i expected you to die

Bullshit. In Magical Mafia you thought through the possibilities. I don't think you as town wouldn't reach the same conclusion I did.

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@Edo - My original vote was obviously RVS. However, my opinion that Wisdom is scum is currently the case.

I understand that. Was your "not lazy" scumread RVS? -

My original vote was yes, my opinion on him being less lazy than town Wisdom, no.

Why do you not comment on 57 though, considering you have concern on me calling Wisdom scum so early?

I have no problem with that post. I also don't have a concern with you calling Wisdom scum early in the game. It was your reasoning. -

And yet you have no issue with me having 0 reason for Pieguyn?

I give no backing to Pieguyn there and basically, it looks like an easy place to push as scum with others, wouldn't you agree?

Doesn't that post in particular ping you like my others are?

I'm having trouble understanding this sentence. Can you restate it please? -

I had no reason to imply Pieguyn was scum, and at that stage, Pieguyn would have been an easier push, why does this not concern you but my push on Wisdom does, that makes no sense.

And once again, you are basically telling me to scum read DLA instead of Wisdom for their votes, tell me, why is Wisdom so dear to you this game? I mean, if you're not scum, he's done something very town like which you can explain, correct? I can't see any other reason for someone to be so insecure about me pushing there.

I'm not saying I think he's town. I think he's null. I'm saying your read on him is poorly formed. -

My read on him is he's shit. That's what I get from him in general. How is that poorly formed?

While you're at it, explain why DLA is town 76, because your 221 suggests strongly that he's done a scummy thing by following to the Luna vote.

Just because I have no opinion on Luna doesn't mean there can be town intentions for voting her. DLA's vote appeared to be because of 193. While I personally doing care about the lolmasons, others can push that lead.
As for post 76, it was a combination of DLA being confident enough to agree with me and I also liked his reasoning for voting Pie. -

I'm not sure if you are now saying you liked his play enough to put him as town, or if he's still null? This response gives me mixed feelings.

Vedith is a lurksac as either alignment and is a common replace out.

They should really not do that.

But feelings about that aside these posts show more effort. Therefore Vedith is likely town. They also pretty much aimed at whoever they could and looked like they were probing anything.

LyLo is also not the time for a policy vote.

If Vedith doesn't show up they get replaced. I want to focus on the scumminess here.

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what threat was beeboy to scum? he wasn't going to make a game-losing shot so his role was essentially useless. i would have kept him alive, killed a consensus town read like pieguy or someone who was actually a threat to me and gone from there

No. That is bad.

Beeboy is a liability alive here.

There were almost conftown in reads. And if the game isn't over by EoD today they HAD to fire or be outed as scum. They were absolutely the biggest threat to scum because Beeboy making it to today meant not only did scum have to worry about convincing town of a Mislynch they also had to worry about if they failed if Beeboy would nail the other overnight.

It is too risky for scum not to kill Beeboy.

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So again. Tell me your scumreads ZMuffin.

Not asking for the moon here. It is a simple question.

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beeboy was a potential mislynch and beeboy probably wouldn't have fired on a scum lynch (if he were going to fire at all he would have done so last night...)

literally the only legitimate reason to shoot him would have been his reads

Beeboy wouldn't have been a Mislynch if I had anything to say about it because I would argue what I did here that he townfirm himself by firing. This game would have been today only. Because if he didn't fire it was insta lynch city the next day.

No way scum makes that claim and sticks to it to LyLo as then they just are forced to protect Beeboy's partner it is too limiting. Beeboy doesn't limit anything.

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ZMUFFIN WHAT ARE YOUR SCUM READS?

Pie you think I am town and Vedith is scum who do you think is the other scum?

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Of course you did because you don't actually want to lynch GreyICE even though you keep saying GreyICE is scum yet you don't do a damn thing about it.

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In case you can't tell until you give your scumreads my sarcasm and bullshit detector are consistently pinging with your posts.

This is LyLo. Having no reads is garbage.

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beeboy was a potential mislynch and beeboy probably wouldn't have fired on a scum lynch (if he were going to fire at all he would have done so last night...)

literally the only legitimate reason to shoot him would have been his reads

Beeboy wouldn't have been a Mislynch if I had anything to say about it because I would argue what I did here that he townfirm himself by firing. This game would have been today only. Because if he didn't fire it was insta lynch city the next day.

No way scum makes that claim and sticks to it to LyLo as then they just are forced to protect Beeboy's partner it is too limiting. Beeboy doesn't limit anything.

not a single word in this post makes any sense whatsoever

Yes it does.

Beeboy is not lynched in exchange for firing overnight assuming scum lynched today.

Then overnight it is 1 scum 3 town. Beeboy then fires at their top scumread. Or they are scum period.

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hi math.

I feel mostly certain that your slot is town (I just need to think about some things a bit more so I can be absolutely positive about it), so can you walk me through your logic behind there being no scum team including Vedith? my initial impression of the ICE/zmuffin interactions seems to be the opposite of yours, and that is the main thing I'm hoping to sort through today because if they both can't be scum and I'm right about you being town Vedith is guaranteed.

I don't really have any answer for your question. I never had much of a reason to go out of my way to interact with either of them, so I didn't.

Why? I think scum theatre is a thing and these two both want Scummies.

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is 831 directed at me?

there is nothing "policy" about it, it's literally just "if you're town and zmuffin/ICE contains at most one scum he's the only one left". I'm mostly asking since I'm not seeing zmuffin/ICE as partners at this point, so I want to know specifically what interactions are making you rule Vedith out as part of a team (not so much your individual read on him - I don't find the point for him being town due to "effort" convincing either way).

Then call it a gutnado.

I see you and muffin more than Vedith and anyone else.

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Can't have enough of the Ws. It's all for the Ws.

You are scum. Cower in fear.

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Now who for the love of Christ shoots DarkLightA? Bus Driver? Redirector? Because I can't fucking think of a sane reason that's who the scum shoots.

Why?
Who looked impressive town to you yesterday?

Why Vedith is not with Grey Ice

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Having no reads is garbage.

uh-huh

i could tell you what i was thinking at the end of yesterday, but seeing as edo flipped town and beeboy died over others i thought would be more likely candidates (because really, beeboy was doing shit all in this game), what would be the point?

i didn't read the game overnight. i didn't think about the game overnight. edo's flip already confirmed i was looking at the gamestate in the wrong way yesterday. why would you expect me to have fully formed reads today?

Because if you are town it is inevitably LyLo in your opinion.

Leaving yourself open leaves room for scum to fuck with. At the beginning of the game town is open. At the end they should narrow.

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am i town?

Yeah.

Vedith IMHO as a known lurker wouldn't interact with Muffin like that.

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And if the game isn't over by EoD today they HAD to fire or be outed as scum.

this argument is a load of shit btw

beeboy didn't shoot after yesterday

why would he have shot after a scum flip today

the numbers are the same. in either case, an incorrect shot means a town loss and he'd have had a BETTER chance of hitting scum last night (2/5) than after a scum flip today (1/3)

scum had no real reason to kill beeboy because of his role

he wasn't confirmed town (the only reason i thought he was town is because i thought edo was scum and i didn't see the desperado shot thing happening as a scum-scum interaction but edo flipping made that point moot)

he's not exactly a strong player either, so what threat did he pose to scum outside of the odds he'd vote one of them today?

At that point it isn't about odds though. Beeboy would shoot after today because he's have the information of who the other scum is and that makes for the best possible shot.

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And you bet dollars to donuts if he was alive and didn't shoot I would have instant 1v1'd him if we were both alive.

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At that point it isn't about odds though. Beeboy would shoot after today because he's have the information of who the other scum is and that makes for the best possible shot.

YEAH, BY THAT LOGIC, SO WOULD TOWN WHO WAS STILL ALIVE IN LYLO

jesus fucking christ, you cannot be this dense

No. Vig shot infinitely better so it is uninterrupted by scum and a calm clear person X is scum.

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Of course you did because you don't actually want to lynch GreyICE even though you keep saying GreyICE is scum yet you don't do a damn thing about it.

yeah

let's see

greyice replaced in with about 24 (which became 48) hours to go to the deadline d1 and wasn't really around d1 at all. i still ended up voting him d1, even though i acknowledged that with 24 hours to go before the deadline, it was unlikely he'd be lynched when the best case i could muster would have been along the lines of "gut plus lack of content"

d2 edo was my focus

so your argument is that i didn't spend d2 trying to get greyice lynched, essentially

ok

Or doing enough to figure it out. Yep. That is one argument yes. I have more but if I wall people don't listen. I want thinking caps on.

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Hey Pie, I know you were asked and I know you are just answering, but god that post.

Edo is scum, y/n?
Muffin is scum y/n?

I have you as a strong town read based off numerous things, especially the fact that there's just literally no way you and Edosurist are scum together based on the early game stuff, while him and Muffin played off each other in a particularly ugly way, but... hmmm, maybe I should just showcase this if I wake up dead tomorrow.

Edos is scum, I don't think zmuffin is. I would look in {Vedith, you} for Edos' partner.

This is why if you are scum it is with muffin.

Pretty much both of my scum team possibilities involve muffin so I want him eating rope.

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Exactly. You switched focus without a reason to Edo. It doesn't feel authentic and it is all kinds of terribad.

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going to sleep. i'll be around from pretty much whenever i wake up until the deadline

while i doubt a greyice lynch is actually going to happen, i do want people to talk about their read on him

Here you sabotaged it and then never put enough weight towards getting him lynched. You don't actually do anything like in magical Mafia it is all "I looked angry enough" push an active townie now.

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Yes that is a horrible reason and obv town. If you were townMuffin you'd see that.

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Instead you are scum muffin who found a Mislynch target so you didn't have to push Grey.

Now share with the class your scum or town reads? Because I am sure we all need to be edumacated. /sarcasm

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I have played with you as town bud. You are memorable because of the code. Yet no DB talk here no anything.

My name is MathBlade. You killed my townie friends. Prepare to die (via lynch).

Good night.

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Post 876 feels like the most honest post in a while from you Muffin. Still think you are scum.

Ditto on the waiting.

*not the mamma* on the posts being horrible.

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Called it

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Who is up? Me or zMuffin? Confused by your post.

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Fuck it. I am VT. Popcorn zMuffin.

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Because that would require four players I humbly admire to be so derptastic it is ridiculous. Not an option.

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Letty some winter thing.

I am much more sure on scum reads than I am town ones. However I also trust my gut. Today scum must be lynched. So that is what I am going to try to do.

Intent to vote zMuffin unless someone explains why they are town

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The crickets be a chirping.

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I am saying Wisdom you ZMuffin and GreyICE are all top caliber players.

For Vedith to be scum with Pieguyn not only would all of the players not have noticed but Pieguyn would have played the game by herself and there is no way she would have escaped that. I love you girl but when zMuffin and GREY are town they are deadly.

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Pie tumbles into scumland.
Bee becomes a weak town.

ZMuffin + Pie becomes incredibly more likely with DarkLightA's death.

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Then call it a gutnado.

I see you and muffin more than Vedith and anyone else.

Pie isn't scum.
Muffin could be I guess, but you're more than likely scum here.

Why isn't Pie scum?

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God...You are so beyond scum it isn't even funny.

My skin is crawling with the scumminess you left on these posts.

Both of you have said the other is scum and have done NOTHING except lynch other people.

If one of these two are not lynched it is game fucking over. I am going to be pissed if I spent 4 hours blasting through this thread identifying the right scum team and still get mislynched because y'all aren't going to fucking listen.

Now they don't even provide justification as to why the other is town just more of a targeted Mislynch attempt at me because I am horrible under pressure. I would bet the game right now on this being a zMuffin + GREYICE team.

Die in fiery flames of replacement vengeance.

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Hey math

A for effort and all, and yes, I'm impressed.

But you've been confirmed scum since the day started. Sorry.

I am getting an F right now because I am up against the wall fighting here.

If this wasn't LyLo I would self lynch so both of you would go down. That is how sure I am it is the both of you.

I can tell you right now with EVERY player suspecting me this means scum both are.

This is LyLO scum won't bus Wakey Wakey townies.

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Hey math

A for effort and all, and yes, I'm impressed.

But you've been confirmed scum since the day started. Sorry.

Grey's suspicion

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Then call it a gutnado.

I see you and muffin more than Vedith and anyone else.

Pie isn't scum.
Muffin could be I guess, but you're more than likely scum here.

Vedith's suspicion

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pieguy, what's your opinion on math's posts

really, really, really, _really_ horrible, but I still don't particularly know if it's coming from scum.

I'm waiting for ICE/Vedith to check in.

This is Pie's not saying I am outright scum but FoSing.

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And ZMuffin pretty much said they suspect me in a billion of them.

Scum will not bus in LyLO

Do NOT take the easy Mislynch scum is offering.

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I mean 99% it doesn't but why blow 1% when this is freebie?

*glares at you*

*looks at my role PM*

*glares at you*

You be scum boy.

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Town GreyICE does not scream zMuffin is scum all game and then advocated for a "freebie" lynch on someone else in LyLO and disregard his scumread from earlier. This isn't him as town.

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I can't figure out which of you is PlayStation and which is Sean Murray but regardless you have both imploded.

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Lol I throw my thoughts up as either alignment. I am clear and transparent in what I do and say. So this is just a characterization to save your ass.

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Afk for most of the day. The sad thing is town needs Vedith and their activity is unreliable at best.

Checking timer now.

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Okay 5 days still have time.

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...You expect town to have a 1 shot BP a desperado and a Jailkeep in a MICRO?

That is more power than in 1800 where there was a mason recruiter a Jailkeeper and a motion detector.

This means one of zMuffin or GreyICE is off.

Intent to vote Vedith.

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I did til their bullshit claim. There is no way town has this much power.

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Really I thought there was literally no way the town had a protective role left after the flips. Like no way, that's why I called it 1%.

Okay, now there's a chance the scum didn't shoot Beeboy. Fuck.

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No. Scum shot Beeboy. That is the only thing that makes sense unless you believe in a micro there is another PR that redirects.

There isn't enough beer in the world for that GreyICE.

Vedith is just scum.

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Lol 2 goons v 7 townies is balanced without power.

Desperado is a very positive utility if used at the right point. That is worth a point.
1 shot BP is worth a point especially since it is semi public.

This means JK claim by Vedith makes it three points.

So either Mafia have an Encryptor + PR role with another person as a PR role or it is not balanced.

One shot strongman doesn't even come close to the ways town could stop an NK.

The fact no such NK has been stopped makes it horribly unlikely.

This game OMG this game.

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Really I thought there was literally no way the town had a protective role left after the flips. Like no way, that's why I called it 1%.

Okay, now there's a chance the scum didn't shoot Beeboy. Fuck.

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No. Scum shot Beeboy. That is the only thing that makes sense unless you believe in a micro there is another PR that redirects.

There isn't enough beer in the world for that GreyICE.

Vedith is just scum.

Beeboy is never shot by scum in a world where you're town.

Luna is town!

Beeboy is in a tunnel, dangerous in LyLo. If you shoot one of the two other townies (pick 1) there's a chance beeboy shoots (game ends) and if you don't you bring in a guy whose sole contribution all game was to complain about how boring it was, and want to shoot town. Either of them is a fine mislynch.

Luna is scum!

If Beeboy fires, then we are in 3:1 today if he isn't shot. But wait! He's a full desperado, and 2:1 is NOT game over. He gets one last shot to fire, meaning scum have to be townier than BOTH other townies. Almost impossible, and Beeboy would be confirmed town if Luna-scum died.

This is crap.

Again I already explained before.

You are not this bad GreyICE. I had sads.

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Lol that magical girls game would have been okay if I didn't replace into boned scum slot with all three of the scum team nailed. Would have been fun to try.

No. Vedith is scum. There is no way that much power makes it past a review board in a micro.

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Lol 2 goons v 7 townies is balanced without power.

yeah, no, your opinions on balance are invalid

17:2 is VERY SLIGHTLY scum-sided in mountainous. 17, not 7. think about that

Lol 17 townies versus 2 scum is horribly broken and batshit insane. Just .... No.

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Lol 2 goons v 7 townies is balanced without power.

Math you're a good friend. So I'll say this once. 11 townies vs. 2 scum is balanced. We're missing two friggin lynches between that and 7:2. Two friggin lynches is a lot of lynches to be out.

You are a good friend too but 11 townies v 2 scum is unbalanced.

Going to bed good night all.

Lynch Vedith she is conf scum.

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2v17 is with random voting.

You will NEVER see a 2x17 submitted here or it is terribad.

Ugh and then there is more of the bussing bullshit that makes my skin crawl ewwwwww

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VOTE: Vedith

Votes are down. I am not scum. You are conf scum for your claim.

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https://www.princeton.edu/~sucharit/~ma ... uction.htm

Princeton says I am right on balance. Has to be Grey ICE and Vedith.

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Pieguyn is town because of the time I spent with them at Chicago meet. They were quiet and reserved as town. They got vocal at points but as scum they talked more. I see more of the same here.

Take GreyICE in contrast. We had a long talk after 1800 about balance. It is almost always point Based and made some references to that in the thread.

I was certain it was you at first but now I have to take a gut check on which of you was faking it based on new information. If I get confirmation someone is scum it doesn't matter what my prior reads were. Confirmation is confirmation.

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Vedith is scum.

Both of us have one vote each.

Good night.

May scum be lynched today.

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Also face to face mafia is like stupidly town favored thanks to how hilariously easy it is to read people in face to face.

Like seriously I don't think Lexi has ever been wrong. Ever.

Chicago meet. Won as scum. Against Lexi..

You do not remember this?

This has gots to be GreyICE scums

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So wait we're being asked to choose between someone I don't think is town and someone who is practically confirmed town based on roles?

was about to say the same.

I don't think there's any way Vedith is scum here; I actually was originally planning on lynching anyone who tried to claim another PR, but Vedith's claim completely reversed it. it fits perfectly into the setup given what I know of how GIF designs setups (there's a lot of ways to block a kill, if we successfully block one the desperado can use its shot without losing a mislynch).

No. As it stands scum receives no benefit from a roleblocker unless they hit the desperado. That is negative utility. I don't buy that.

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To me this is clearly Matrix 6, probably with 1-shot strongman and roleblocker or rolecop as the mafia prs.

But like "I want to lynch a PR claim" is really half ass

Reason I did popcorn is I wanted the confirmed townie.

Stop saying clear mistakes. A desperado/Vig is not Matrix 6 in anyway shape or form.

A desperado is like a town suicide bomber you better be right or both dead.
You can play it like a VT the entire time though.
Has huge positive utility.

You also expect me to believe that town also has the ability to save the target from dying.

Like no. Just no.

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Like Pie

In what universe does a 1-shot bulletproof a 1-shot desperado and a town music vendor constitute acceptable level of town power

Like to me Jailkeeper is an extremely strong role so if you're like "it all has to be VT" but then someone comes in and claims a super strong power role then... this would not logically follow.

Town desperado and 1 shot semi public bulletproof is huge.

Semi public generally means either the shooter is told or the target are told their BP went off.

Huge town power like whaaaaat?

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The deadline is in (expired on 2016-09-23 20:42:53)

Less than three days people. Would like to see some semblance of life.

Driving home be on later.

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Scum just won...Fuck I"m sorry I tried guys.

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It's 1 am muffin. I don't have the energy to troll. *sigh* Good night. Well played.

I'm sorry I didn't do well enough townies

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That is what makes it balanced the block immune damn it.

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Well played.

Still think y'all are wrong 2v17 is horribly bad.

I play games like the one I mentioned all the time pre Mafia scum. I always will balance spec.

Pieguyn -- Nice job Had me fooled

ZMuffin now I know what to look for *grins* Nicely played

GreyICE sorry I misread you. You too Vedith

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I was thinking of the F2F game in forum Mafia where you barely said a peep.

I almost mislynched you on that alone. But that could have just been the noisy room.

Chicago meet and Titus meet were probably some of the noisiest things in my life.