Have you played with House before?In post 27, Expedience wrote:I think House is town because he's so eager.
Please elaborate how he was "really weird" when you played with him.In post 29, Expedience wrote:I'm voting RyanK because I played with him before and he was really weird.
Why exactly do you think it's a good idea to reveal that info this early?In post 34, GuiltyLion wrote:I am currently ascetic
Partly RVS, partly Meta. Do you think I should vote someone different?In post 35, GuiltyLion wrote:NJAC why are you voting someone who hasn't posted yet
Though I agree with most of your reasons for revealing this, there's also the scenario in which scum could have an investigative role, and now you have given them info that assures that they won't waste it on you, if you're actually telling the truth.In post 39, GuiltyLion wrote:Nothing would be gained from hiding that I'm currently ascetic.
The meta is about how hard it is to read N_M in my experience. I commented on a few posts in the very same post I voted, so it's not like I just RVSed.In post 39, GuiltyLion wrote:What meta is relevant here? Why are you continuing RVS on page 2 when there are already posts and wagons to be participating in or commenting on?
I disagree my vote is useless.In post 39, GuiltyLion wrote:but I think it's worth pressing you on why you made a useless one.
Why exactly is that a terrible idea in this setup?In post 40, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:Scum claiming ascetic is usually a terrible idea whether they are really ascetic or not
Elaborate how my questions feel "leading". WRT Flames: House voted him based on Flames' RVS vote, I think Flames' response to it was good. I saw nothing scummy from Flames. The way some players were jumping on that wagon seemed opportunistic (e.g.: Ryank's). It was page 2 and I didn't want to put someone at L-1 that early, even more considering that N_M is playing this game.In post 92, GuiltyLion wrote:@House - His questions feel leading and his vote on Not_Mafia was in fact useless, even if he disagrees. The way he casually says "I don't like the wagon on Flames" without explaining why or pushing on people who voted Flames looks like scum WK-ing a mislynch.
I saw an attempt to PL N_M in a past game, seeing who supported that lynch and who didn't helped me to figure out N_M's alignment.In post 93, GuiltyLion wrote:like Not_Mafia is not a player who will alignment-tell based off of an RVS vote on him. The fact that NJAC tried to use "meta" to justify that as a reason to vote him doesn't make sense.
Now, you're trying hard to make me look bad. This is ludicrous, why is "Why exactly" a scummy phrase?In post 97, GuiltyLion wrote:These questions. "Why exactly" is just an altogether scummy phrase in general IMO.
You're misrepping me hard. I took a stance on Flames wagon by not voting him, and as I said before I commented on some posts in the very same post I voted. I already explained my vote on N_M so I repeat that I disagree it was not-productive.Yes, I automatically start to suspect people who RVS vote when there's already wagons and discussion happening. Instead of taking a stance either way on Flames (or even RyanK, the possible counterwagon), NJAC just votes a slot that hasn't posted yet. It's safe and not-productive.
How exactly am I scummy for not putting at L-1 a flipped town, in page 2?In post 100, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm not saying he's definitely scum, he could just be cagey, but he's definitely giving the most scummy pings so far relative to the other posts, especially given a town!Flames
Did you switch?In post 34, GuiltyLion wrote:However, I may (or may not) switch out my role from the Mystery Box, so I'll update you all if I decide to do that
And according to your experience, is he eager only when he's town?In post 106, Expedience wrote:Yes
Who's that person and why will I be officialy pardoned?In post 125, Expedience wrote:Anyway, let's hear who NJAC thinks is scum now. If he votes the person I'm thinking of, he will be officially pardoned.
Why did you decide to investigate him?In post 157, GuiltyLion wrote:So I was also a neapolitan in addition to being ascetic, which is why I didn't trade the role.
I investigated RyanK and the action failed. I cannot be roleblocked, so I believe he is also ascetic, and he did not claim it.
VOTE: RyanK
Asking questions is the way I use to discern alignments. I admit my first questions were not too deep, but there's obviously not much to work with only two pages.In post 161, GuiltyLion wrote:Look, I can't explain exactly how my gut works, but the way you ask questions reads to me like you're trying to pressure solely for the sake of pressure, making people explain vague things they said rather than actually trying to discern their alignment.
I better wait to hear more from him.It may be playstyle-clash so I will give you some towncred if you are willing to wagon and lynch scum!RyanK with me.
Better question: what about Flames' response was scummy in your eyes? I saw a natural response to explain an RVS vote, and to deal with House's pressure.What about Flames' response to House was good? And again, you're saying your vote was "fine" but that's not an argument that it would help game-solve.
Why are you conjecturing instead of letting Ryank explain?In post 160, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:I can see Ryan being a relatively new player not knowing to claim ascetic day 1. Doesn't make me want to townread him, of course, but I don't see this as a cop guilty.
Yet, you said he's town because he's so eager.In post 170, Expedience wrote:Not sure
Elaborate?This is the origin of NJAC's scumposting.
I can believe the claim, but that doesn't make him obvtown, does it?In post 176, Expedience wrote:The fact that NJAC continues to park his vote on GuiltyLion after that claim cements my suspicion of him. I don't believe that he disbelieves the claim because its pretty believable
And what's your case on me?In post 171, RyanK wrote:VOTE: NJAC
FTFYIn post 191, House wrote:I better pretend to be scumhunting and try to go with the flow while passing unnoticed.In post 188, NJAC wrote:If so, why aren't you asking me to clarify what you don't understand?
My point is you're too quick to call him town for an aspect that might not be AI at all, because I think House is eager regardless of his alignment.In post 198, Expedience wrote:Yep, I don't have meta on a particular aspect of his play, not sure what you are trying to prove here.
I'm pretty sure those are not bad posts at all. What makes them so bad?The worst posts you made.
Why are you scumreading gigabyte?In post 199, Expedience wrote:gigabyteTroubadour, because they're my other scumread. But you voted GuiltyLion instead, sorry.
Please elaborate.In post 208, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm finding House's D2 play to be vaguely scummy, and NJAC scummier still
VOTE: NJAC
In post 194, NJAC wrote:@House:
Do you think there was at least one scum on Flames' wagon? If so who and why?
Because he's scum. He's not scum hunting.In post 216, RyanK wrote:Why are you relying on the situation instead of your own reads?In post 191, House wrote:I'd rather wait to see how things unfold for a bit before interfering in the push on you.In post 188, NJAC wrote:If so, why aren't you asking me to clarify what you don't understand?
You have to PM him.
I wanted to see who House would pick. It's not pointless because House (a scumread of me) would have to pick a name, and then I can get some associative info.In post 250, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:@NJAC, what's the benefit you get from asking someone if there was scum on an RVS wagon...? There's probably at least 1 scum in any arbitrary grouping of 4 people (or 3 in the wagoner's pov), that seems like a pointless question to ask.
Maybe I'm understanding this wrong but, are you saying that I don't scum hunt?In post 264, RyanK wrote:Just like NJAC, he doesn't scum hunt at all. View his iso.
Still, I was interested on House's response.In post 282, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:i still disagree, there isn't really that much of a reason to believe that, say, Ryan's vote is scummier than guilty's vote. Plus, that wagon has most of my townreads on it (I'm townreading House the least out of the 3 other people on it but I still think he's town) so I'm having a hard time saying that anyone on it was scum. It's a weird restriction of people, too.In post 276, NJAC wrote:I wanted to see who House would pick. It's not pointless because House (a scumread of me) would have to pick a name, and then I can get some associative info.
I confirm this.In post 344, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:I also want NJAC to confirm this.In post 315, House wrote:I can tell you right now that NJAC is a VT, which is why I've been eyeballing you for a while.
I'm trying to process the implication of this claim still. Useful posts coming later.
In post 164, NJAC wrote:Better question:What about Flames' response to House was good? And again, you're saying your vote was "fine" but that's not an argument that it would help game-solve.what about Flames' response was scummy in your eyes?I saw a natural response to explain an RVS vote, and to deal with House's pressure.
In post 223, NJAC wrote:Please elaborate.In post 208, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm finding House's D2 play to be vaguely scummy, and NJAC scummier still
VOTE: NJAC
In post 284, NJAC wrote:For the sake of trying a different angle and given that you town read the whole wagon, from those who didn't vote Flames who do you think are scum and why?
In post 161, GuiltyLion wrote:I will give you some towncred if you are willing to wagon and lynch scum!RyanK with me.
I have a town read on Ryank and House is null.In post 314, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm having second thoughts on scum!NJAC at the moment, and I would quite like for him to powerlynch House with us today. If he avoids the House wagon after his distancing vote then I'd say NJAC-House team would be my pick
What's this?In post 405, Not_Mafia wrote:01100010 01101111 01101111
In post 386, RyanK wrote:In post 38, NJAC wrote:...Partly RVS, partly Meta. Do you think I should vote someone different?In post 35, GuiltyLion wrote:NJAC why are you voting someone who hasn't posted yetHow is your voting supposed to help you to read N_M?In post 41, NJAC wrote:...The meta is about how hard it is to read N_M in my experience. I commented on a few posts in the very same post I voted, so it's not like I just RVSed.In post 39, GuiltyLion wrote:What meta is relevant here? Why are you continuing RVS on page 2 when there are already posts and wagons to be participating in or commenting on?
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In post 151, NJAC wrote:I saw an attempt to PL N_M in a past game, seeing who supported that lynch and who didn't helped me to figure out N_M's alignment.
It's not a stupid question. You helped to mislynch the guy. I'm assuming there was at least one scum on that wagon.In post 439, GuiltyLion wrote:This is a stupid question and I'm not sure why you're insisting on following up on it, but at the time I felt Flames was overexplaining his vote by saying he turned off auto-correct and engaging in an argument about why he could have copy/pasted. It just didn't seem like something town should (or would) concern themselves with. 23 is also a WIFOMy post about getting lynched and I always see scum!motivation in that.
Why do you think he's scum?In post 490, Not_Mafia wrote:To vote for the person I would like to be lynched
Why are you asking him to claim, since House already claimed?
In post 178, RyanK wrote:I'm not sure if I was ascetic. Here's the situation. I was hated before I changed my role in the night. After I changed my role, I was ascetic.