Micro 659: Game Of Thrones S1E2 GAME OVER

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Kraeg
Modded a game I was in once

[SirCakez]

The lannisters would probably be the scum flavor from this episode though
For all intents and purposes they were the main villains of season 1

[SirCakez]

The lannisters would probably be the scum flavor from this episode though
For all intents and purposes they were the main villains of season 1

Radja doesn't necessarily play that game, though.

Sure, the Lannisters should have been scum. That's probably how I'd prefer it, but I was scum in episode one and I was a white walker.

White walkers were villains in episode 1 though.
The only other villain I could think of in episode 2 would be like viserys, but a 1-man scum team doesn't make sense

[SirCakez]

I haven't seen the show, but I've heard of my flavor character

I don't really like the way in which SirCakez was refuting the flavor argument. I mean, yeah, but it's enough to make me want to keep my vote for now.

You agree with my flavor argument but you want to keep your vote anyway?

[SirCakez]

Then how can you not like my argument over it?

[SirCakez]

I misread 35 oops
Then what didn't you like about how I presented it?

[SirCakez]

Vote: SirCakez

If you abbreviate his name, it will come out as "SIR C" which sounds like "CERSEI", and we all know Cersei is evil.

Cersei isn't evil. In fact, no one's evil. Not even Joffrey. They just have different values.

I was responding to this, not the joke vote

[SirCakez]

Oh, I misunderstood.

well this has been a comedy of misunderstandings, ugh?

[SirCakez]

personally I'm finding the flavor discussion pretty useless

Calling the current discussion useless without providing something else to discuss is pretty dumb, yeah?

But still the flavor of the game is GoT, and it has got to have some impact on the alignment of each character. The Lannisters seem to be the hostile ones, at least in this episode, it's just fair to think that they would be scum. Saying that they aren't necessarily evil makes it look like you are planting an excuse to claim as town when a rolecop investigates you and finds out that you're a Lannister(assuming there's a role cop).

That'd be a flavor cop, not a role cop, but I do agree with your thinking here.

A handful of people have been discrediting the flavor discussions, and the more people discredit it, the more I think that there's something about the flavor that makes people not want to discuss it. Perhaps the flavor really points out certain things about the scum.

Again, I mostly agree with this. Flavor can be useful for claims at some point. Granted, if it never comes to that then it's useless discussion that just clutters the thread.

This "I agree with you!" crap looks like scum trying to post "content" without actually getting their hands dirty

VOTE: shaddowez

[SirCakez]

It's the fourth page, there isn't going to be a very "strong" reason to push someone at this point

[SirCakez]

Where is he furthering discussion?

[SirCakez]

Where is he furthering discussion?

In his posts? I mean, 52, 55, 70, and 73 all look like they are furthering discussion in a substantial way to me

He's asking questions, then going "yeah I agree". It's not really generating anything useful.

VOTE: Kraeg

- saying "this makes it look like you're scum" as opposed to "this makes me think you're scum" x2
- the arguments he uses I completely disagree with and find reachy
- vague shade net
- awkward phraseology
- possible that he knows lannisters are scum flavor

I'm saying "this makes it look like you're scum" because I'm trying to be objective. Saying "this makes me think you're scum" is subjective, and usually based on gut feeling and it's very easy for anyone to say what makes them think as scum.

You probably find it awkward because we're talking about the characters of the scum here, and it would be awkward for scum to read about people talking about them. I have my own reasoning why I think the lannisters are scum flavor, I didn't mentioned it out of the blue. Even if I knew beforehand that Lannisters are scum flavor, it's actually good for the town for me to be saying it, at least the town has an info they can use once people starts knowing each other's character. And why the hell would you even think that someone who thinks that lannisters are scum flavor is a scum? That doesn't make any sense. Seems like you just threw different negative comments just to paint me badly but not to justify why I am scum. Your reasoning for voting me is scummy.

Vote: Expedience

Ok this OMGUS was pretty terrible
I am concerned that Kraeg is just being lynchbait though, I've mislynched him before.

Calling the current discussion useless without providing something else to discuss is pretty dumb, yeah?

Why did you ignore my 57 and 58, do those not count as things to discuss?

And even if I hadn't said anything else, and I agreed with you that my post was dumb, why would that matter?

I wouldn't call asking a question and a random townread "things to discuss"

Then go ahead and lynch me. I'm pretty sure there's a scum in my wagon for me to be at L-1 this early. At least we can narrow the list the next day.

What are your current reads? Who on your wagon do you think is scum?

I'm still trying to narrow my list for today before we do any lynching

Do you have any reads all yet?

What are you hoping to get from these questions?

[SirCakez]

*snip*This "I agree with you!" crap looks like scum trying to post "content" without actually getting their hands dirty

VOTE: shaddowez

I agree, but I'm not so sure this is being done intentionally.

Then go ahead and lynch me. I'm pretty sure there's a scum in my wagon for me to be at L-1 this early. At least we can narrow the list the next day.

I find this post scummier than the posts that lead most to vote. I kind of want to vote you, but there's already a lot of votes off you and there's no reason to rush.

How would bad questions made to look like content be unintentional?
Yeah that post from Kraeg was scummy af

Where is he furthering discussion?

In his posts? I mean, 52, 55, 70, and 73 all look like they are furthering discussion in a substantial way to me

He's asking questions, then going "yeah I agree". It's not really generating anything useful.

Good

questions are definitely useful. Maybe they are easy to make but shaddow's questions feel honest to me.

Unlike GL's questions which look like they are dodging discussion and fake scum hunting to me

Good questions are useful yes. These questions don't look useful.

[SirCakez]

What are you hoping to get from these questions?

Scum generally need to make up reasons to scum read people. Considering Kraeg is saying he thinks there's scum on his wagon, it'd be interesting to see who he thinks it is and why. It can also help support associatives/distancing if he flips red.

As for GL, he hasn't really provided much this game, so similarly I'm trying to get content from him. Engaging people and getting information is the only way for us to root out the scum.

This answer was a lot better then expected, good reasoning behind both of those

I have no one in particular in mind who I think is a scum in my wagon. I'm just saying that I won't be surprised if at least one of the people in my wagon flips scum considering that it appears that I'm becoming a lynchbait here, and how convenient it is to point fingers at me due to the lack of people discussing and pointing fingers.

Meanwhile Kraeg is flinging shade at his wagon without actually contributing reads which is enough for me to think he's scum over lynchbait here
soo

VOTE: kraeg
L-1

also hi mollie

[SirCakez]

I wouldn't call asking a question and a random townread "things to discuss"

why not? Other players found things to discuss about them, but you pretended like I didn't make the posts until I called you out on it

Where? Aside from the answer to the said question.

And I ignored those posts because I didn't consider them real topics of discussion

[SirCakez]

What are you hoping to get from these questions?

Scum generally need to make up reasons to scum read people. Considering Kraeg is saying he thinks there's scum on his wagon, it'd be interesting to see who he thinks it is and why. It can also help support associatives/distancing if he flips red.

As for GL, he hasn't really provided much this game, so similarly I'm trying to get content from him. Engaging people and getting information is the only way for us to root out the scum.

This answer was a lot better then expected, good reasoning behind both of those

I don't think his answer was all that good, and it's strange to me that you took your foot off the gas here. Are you still scumreading shaddowez? If not then what exactly is in this post that scum!shaddowez could not have faked

No
He actually had reasoning to back up fluff I called him out on, it could have maybe been faked but I don't feel like it was

I wouldn't call asking a question and a random townread "things to discuss"

why not? Other players found things to discuss about them, but you pretended like I didn't make the posts until I called you out on it

Where? Aside from the answer to the said question.

And I ignored those posts because I didn't consider them real topics of discussion

well the person you are currently voting asked me about it in 61, and accused me of possible scum motivation behind it. If my early Wis townread is not a "real topic of discussion", then what do you make of Kraeg pushing me on it?

I think it's scum!Kraeg picking up on something random to try to nitpick with

[SirCakez]

Mollie are you town reading kraeg?

[SirCakez]

she already answered that

No she didn't
She said she didn't see a reason to scumread kraeg. That doesn't mean she's townreading him.

Shit.

Later today, I swear.

No, this is already the third time you came in here promising to us that you'll post soon, and yet didn't. I'm already starting to think that this your way of "trying your best to play the game" - by promising to post soon which results into you not being able to give anything substantial in the game. There really isn't that many posts to read. You could have at least given us your general thoughts about the game or about some people here instead of just making a promise to post. I would be more inclined to think that his kind of play is a scum play.

Vote: BBT

This vote is total bullshit and you know it.

What claim? My vote is independent of your claim that you will vote him if he still doesn't post about the game.

I am not really sure why kuroi is giving this a pass.

anyhoo, I don't need to be explained to!

VOTE: kraeg

Like Wis has said, this 180 is super sketchy
I don't think Mollie's posts are scummy other then this but if Kraeg somehow flips town I'd go here

@ cake boy

did you miss gl asking me the same thing that you did? cos it looks like you are not paying particularly close I mean it is not like this game is bombarded with an inflation of posts so whats up?

GL's posts kind of blend together for me, so yeah I must have missed it

[SirCakez]

Can we not have Walking Dead Season 1 Finale 2.0 please thanks

[SirCakez]

so you want me to just leave mollie alone..? im trying to not be aggressive with her for this purpose

I mean I think this is going to be a stupid spammy argument that is going to put people off of getting involved in the game and I want to get Kraeg flipped

[SirCakez]

I find it unlikely
And if he does end up town somehow then I'd be more open to mollie scum

[SirCakez]

then why is it wrong to try to sort mollie now if you're open to the possibility of her being scum?

My mollie read depends a lot on Kraeg's flip
Currently I lean town on her due to her reaction when you started pushing her

[SirCakez]

then why is it wrong to try to sort mollie now if you're open to the possibility of her being scum?

My mollie read depends a lot on Kraeg's flip
Currently I lean town on her due to her reaction when you started pushing her

but who am I? I am scum no matter what kraeg will flip.

219

That post tag is busted

i feel like youre lining up lynches

what does kraeg's flip have to do with mollie?

I am lining up lynches, that's not a scumtell
Her 180 on him would be scummy if he's town, if he's scum it's fine

[SirCakez]

or they could both be town? I dont see you considering that scenario

Obviously they could both be town but I don't think they are

Her 180 on him would be scummy if he's town, if he's scum it's fine

That doesn't make sence. Mollie is only towny if she is right and scummy if she is not?

I don't think Mollie would bus via a 180, thus if Kraeg is scum then I think she's town
If Kraeg is town then her 180 looks super scummy for obvious reasons

[SirCakez]

hype

[SirCakez]

Being old doesn't mean it's any less valid

[SirCakez]

It means it's less useful.

How?
A flip is a flip

[SirCakez]

I don't think the Kreag wagon is useful anymore because Kraeg already replied to it and we already talked about it. A new wagon will create some better discussion.

This makes no sense
Do you think he's scum still or not?

[SirCakez]

Cakez's pivot on him was what I was trying to explore, because it looks to me like he felt like he needed an excuse to drop his push on shaddowez so he could hop on the Kraeg wagon

Well yeah the stuff Kraeg was posting was unbelievably scummy and Shaddowez had good reactions soooo the conclusion there is obvious for me

BBT I have 0 read on so I guess I'm fine with him going? The Kraeg wagon collapse is infuriating though.

[SirCakez]

Well yeah the stuff Kraeg was posting was unbelievably scummy and Shaddowez had good reactions soooo the conclusion there is obvious for me

If Kraeg is unbelievably scummy then why aren't you considering that he might be town?

By unbelievably scummy I didn't mean I literally couldn't believe he was scum ffs
It was a figure of speech for super scummy

[SirCakez]

Cakez I barely registered so far, BBT in same boat (obv). BBT lynch is meh. It's likely a town slot and he may either show up to the party or we get a decent replace, I'd rather not kill it just now, I'd rather try kill scum.

Gotta go to work, adios.

What the heck
You barely registered BBT but you think it's a town slot? How does that add up?

then why is it wrong to try to sort mollie now if you're open to the possibility of her being scum?

My mollie read depends a lot on Kraeg's flip
Currently I lean town on her due to her reaction when you started pushing her

This is definitely lining up lynches. If you're town reading her based on what she's providing, why would just a town!Kraeg flip make you scum read her?

I am lining up lynches, that's not a scumtell
Her 180 on him would be scummy if he's town, if he's scum it's fine

I wouldn't necessarily say it's a scum tell, but it definitely comes off as leading. What do you think about the argument between her and Wisdom about her "want to lynch you" quote?

-I've explained more then once, her flip on Kraeg is scummy if he's town but not scummy if he's scum
-I think it's dumb TvT, I said this earlier

UNVOTE:

Was hoping some votes would get BBT to at least think about posting, but obviously that didn't work.

VOTE: Cakez

Spent a lot of time early on in the back and forth with Expedience, but then sort of dropped it.

I am concerned that Kraeg is just being lynchbait though, I've mislynched him before.

This on top of 220 looks really ugly to me. Most of his other posts look shallow and/or easy to backpedal from. Examples:
204,206,280

This is super opportunistic

what game did you play with kraeg? cos I did a meta dive on him and looked all 4 of his games (I was in 3 of them!) cos I wanted to chack which games we had together cos I knew there was a cple of them and you were in none of them. so why are you posturing a null read based on false meta?

It was some open, lemme dig it up

[SirCakez]

oh lmao I haven't played a game with Kraeg, I was thinking of ConManMick in Open 635 when I was talking about Kraeg earlier. Kraeg modded an Open I was in which is how I got confused.

Then my worries about him being mislynch bait are out the window (unless someone else has meta with him)

[SirCakez]

@Cakez: BBT slot doing nothing is NAI. So it's a 6/8 chance BBT is town. Bad odds. Especially when I have other scum reads.

Cakez is probably town btw.

So you're nullreading him then?

Why did the Kraeg wagon evaporate? I think that's a good lynch still, did he claim or something?

Because Wisdom and Mollie started fighting then got drunk or something and forgot how obviously scum he is

[SirCakez]

maybe one day you'll be able to read me

[SirCakez]

Yes I was worried kraeg might be mislynch bait, I remembered mislymching him before at the time before I realized my meta was someone else.
You're just throwing shitty shade like shadowez now

[SirCakez]

Is this the part where I don't claim and get towncred?

[SirCakez]

Yes I was worried kraeg might be mislynch bait, I remembered mislymching him before at the time before I realized my meta was someone else.
You're just throwing shitty shade like shadowez now

this actually gets better and better.

in the only game that kraeg has modded conmannick was not in it. also, super short game since smudger was the only townie who was lynched, scum was lynched d2, scum was vigged n2, and scum!titus was lynched d3.

do you wanna change your story again?

I didn't say CMM was in kraeg's game, I said I was in an open kraeg modded and there was a different open where I mislynched CMM and I got them mixed up somehow >.>

[SirCakez]

One of kraeg/mollie is scum. Doesn't feel TvT to me. Doubt they're partners.

Hint: it's Kraeg

[SirCakez]

Not gonna claim so I get townreads from mollie

/s

Robb Stark, VT

[SirCakez]

You know my reads
If you're gonna hammer do it so I can add another time being mislynched to my pile

[SirCakez]

Was town, gj wisdom

[SirCakez]

Lol in both GoT games I've been mislynched/misvigged before day 2 at the hands of wisdom and kuroi
FeelsBadMan

[SirCakez]

because i cant read kuroi

I think he's town but I always think he's town even when he isn't

Alright. Catching up to the game and will reread Cakez.

This isn't a win for me, although it feels like one.

Yeah. I'll put my intention to hammer.

Claim, please.

I feel like Robb Stark has been used previously as a fake claim. Either way, it's possible.

We have four days left, and I think we'll learn a lot about Kraeg, Wisdom and Pirate if we hammer, so let's do it.

VOTE: SirCakez

Yeah this whole chain of posts was pretty sketchy

[SirCakez]

something tells me i was wrong about kuroi yet again

I think you're used to me fighting you on everything.
I probably should have fought with you on this.

Lol you just hammered me and you immediately put the blame on someone else?

[SirCakez]

I could see kuroi/bbt if my kraeg scumread turns out wrong

[SirCakez]

The way wisdom doesn't seem surprised AT all that I'm town is also making me paranoid
Tldr you're all scum

[SirCakez]

something tells me i was wrong about kuroi yet again

I think you're used to me fighting you on everything.
I probably should have fought with you on this.

Lol you just hammered me and you immediately put the blame on someone else?

What? I put the blame on myself.
Did you even read this?

"I should have fought you on this" is definitely blaming wisdom

[SirCakez]

Also there was like 0 conviction behind your hammer since you immediately admitted it was bad

[SirCakez]

And if wisdom is scum????

[SirCakez]

About what?

[SirCakez]

rb always feels like that (the personal grudge thing), it's NAI
Honestly I think kraeg might be town now
I would lynch in bbt/wis/kuroi tomorrow but I'm biased because I'm pissed at getting mislynched AGAIN

[SirCakez]

Because he didn't go for the easy mislynch on me
Town lean
I have a scumread on him...

[SirCakez]

I don't twilight troll

[SirCakez]

lol

[SirCakez]

You two are both town stop

[SirCakez]

Gj carrying mollie
Stop mislynching me pls wisdom