Micro 659: Game Of Thrones S1E2 GAME OVER

[KuroiXHF]

I need to start this game off carefully.

FOS: BlueBloodedToffee
FOS: Wisdom
FOS: SirCakez
FOS: KuroiXHF
FOS: GuiltyLion
FOS: shaddowez
FOS: Expedience
FOS: ConvergentConclusion
FOS: Kraeg

There we go.

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi vote bbt

OK.

VOTE: Wisdom

Oh shit. Look what I did.

[KuroiXHF]

Vote: SirCakez

If you abbreviate his name, it will come out as "SIR C" which sounds like "CERSEI", and we all know Cersei is evil.

Cersei isn't evil. In fact, no one's evil. Not even Joffrey. They just have different values.

[KuroiXHF]

The lannisters would probably be the scum flavor from this episode though
For all intents and purposes they were the main villains of season 1

Radja doesn't necessarily play that game, though.

Sure, the Lannisters should have been scum. That's probably how I'd prefer it, but I was scum in episode one and I was a white walker.

[KuroiXHF]

because that was episode 1

Did you see episode one of the show? It didn't make sense for white walkers to be the villain.

[KuroiXHF]

Lots of stuff happened episode one:
Bran, as a rite of passage, saw the execution of a deserter.
Viserys arranges his sister to marry Drogo.
Eddard finds out Jon Arrys, his brother in law, died.
*Jaime Lannister cripples a child after he catches him banging his sisters*

There are only rumors and precursors of white walker activity.

[KuroiXHF]

UNVOTE:

Wisdom town reads me (either immediately or eventually) in every game I'm in so either I'm town or not, he's advantageous to keep in.

[KuroiXHF]

The lannisters would probably be the scum flavor from this episode though
For all intents and purposes they were the main villains of season 1

Radja doesn't necessarily play that game, though.

Sure, the Lannisters should have been scum. That's probably how I'd prefer it, but I was scum in episode one and I was a white walker.

White walkers were villains in episode 1 though.
The only other villain I could think of in episode 2 would be like viserys, but a 1-man scum team doesn't make sense

I never said it wasn't legitimate. I said I didn't agree with it.
But fair enough. I get your point.

[KuroiXHF]

It was a comment about the flavor, not the game.

[KuroiXHF]

Widsom

- Good info.

Kuroi

- Do you see the two as separate entities, or do you think that flavor related discussion provides insight into gamestate knowledge?

No. I talked about it because I didn't see Kraeg's vote as a real one. He seemed to be obviously joking, but I pointed out something pointed out by GRRM (George R. R. Martin) in an interview, where he said no one is 100% good or 100% evil.

[KuroiXHF]

*snip*This "I agree with you!" crap looks like scum trying to post "content" without actually getting their hands dirty

VOTE: shaddowez

I agree, but I'm not so sure this is being done intentionally.

Then go ahead and lynch me. I'm pretty sure there's a scum in my wagon for me to be at L-1 this early. At least we can narrow the list the next day.

I find this post scummier than the posts that lead most to vote. I kind of want to vote you, but there's already a lot of votes off you and there's no reason to rush.

I'll get to this as soon as I can.

You seem to be really busy. Don't betray my trust.

[KuroiXHF]

You were talking about agreeing, not the questions. But we were all talking about the flavor of the game. I'm sure it can cause confusion.

[KuroiXHF]

Can we really change that creepy pic you keep posting, Radja?

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi

- what other reads do you have at the moment?

I'm uncomfortable with my lack of reads right now. Most of this is NAI. A lot of us are lurking. I have a slight gut scum read on ConvergentConclusions and a slight town one on SirCakez, and that's about it.

pirate mollie replaces Expedience

Welcome! Let's do this tango one more time, shall we?

[KuroiXHF]

I'll read up on Kraeg. My thoughts are that it's too early to lynch. But Kraeg, if you're reading this, you might want to claim.

[KuroiXHF]

Slight town read on GuiltyLion.

[KuroiXHF]

Shit.

Later today, I swear.

I'll vote you if I don't get anything by tomorrow.

[KuroiXHF]

Kraeg, did you consider the claim? I could hammer you, but I want to give you a fair shot.

[KuroiXHF]

Shadowwez, close. I missed Mollie unvoting, but Expedience leaving doesn't mean that Kraeg's any less scummy from the judge of the community.

But since you have more wiggle room, we can come back to that later.

I might also come to regret this, but I think I town read Mollie. I consider this post-RVS, so I won't vote quite yet but my two scum reads exist in CC and GuiltyLion.

[KuroiXHF]

Oh, and possibly BBT, but I have a hard time reading him, I think. I keep him at a suspicious null, probably with his seat right next to Wisdom's.

[KuroiXHF]

mollie plz be town

Why the change of heart?

[KuroiXHF]

if you end up being town coming up with this contrived bullshit im taking a break until the playerbase changes up

Essentially, you're saying, "I'm as confident of him being scum as I possibly can be without a confirmed cop result." Is that correct?

your reasoning on BBT is literally "he's prod-dodging, means he's scum"

you can't possibly expect us to take this seriously

BBT is skilled enough that he would never resort to lurking, it's crystal clear that the prod dodging is happening because he actually doesn't have time for the game.

This is creating a WIFOM because it's saying that if BBT doesn't post, you'll assume something real could come up, which would allow BBT a pass to actually lurk

Day 1, VC 5

I said stop using that damn picture, damn it!

I think that it is scummy that kuroi is asking for a claim and kraeg is acting like he has no idea what kuroi is talking about and then getting mildly hostile towards kuroi. the hostility looks fake. and I don't like him going after bbt, it looks like he is trying to deflect.

okay, I can agree with that.

What are your other reads? What happened to your read on me?

I never scumread you, I said I wanted to lynch you. I usually do until i can figure you out.

I don't have a confident grasp of the gamestate yet. just give me a minute.

@ kuroi

were you asking kraeg to claim? cos that is what it looked like to me. if you were then why are you letting his "confusion" slide and not clarifying what you meant?

Kraeg was no longer at L-1. He was at L-3. Pressure without pressure is quite the proverbial "not sure if this is a shit or a fart."

[KuroiXHF]

Essentially, you're saying, "I'm as confident of him being scum as I possibly can be without a confirmed cop result." Is that correct?

i dont actually know
his posts feel so contrived so consistently that im starting to think hes just THAT bad
which i shouldnt be thinking ever because its against common sense but blame the years of me seeing bad town players playing badly

But I mean, people don't ever say, "If I'm wrong, I'm going to be taking a break," unless you're that certain of someone flipping scum. That's like saying, "I'll bet you a million bucks that..." You wouldn't say that unless you were that sure.

and also im not liking mollie's posts so there's that

So I think I know why but I'm curious from your words, what about her posts do you not like?

[KuroiXHF]

But I mean, people don't ever say, "If I'm wrong, I'm going to be taking a break," unless you're that certain of someone flipping scum. That's like saying, "I'll bet you a million bucks that..." You wouldn't say that unless you were that sure.

nah, if anything it's the opposite.
my brain made my hands type that because it actually thinks Kraeg will cause me to take a break, or I wouldn't have posted it at all.

You can't seriously expect me to believe that, do you?

[KuroiXHF]

Someone clarified for me.

[KuroiXHF]

Someone clarified for me.

where

162

[KuroiXHF]

Also, I'm feeling tired of dicking around.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[KuroiXHF]

Have you read the post, Mollie?
Because I think you just blindfolded yourself, put your hand onto the computer screen and tried reading that post like you're trying to read Braille.

[KuroiXHF]

and actually ugh. I know a player who refused to claim in a recent game and they were town.

kraeg is going about it very similarly

I need to rethink about things.

UNVOTE: kraeg

I really loved my kraeg/kuroi scumteam tho

Don't worry. Even if Kraeg is town, I could still be scum!

[KuroiXHF]

I'm V/LA until Monday. Per my sig, I'm usually not checking games much.

[KuroiXHF]

Shit.

Later today, I swear.

I'll vote you if I don't get anything by tomorrow.

this vote never happened

Kuroi, why haven't you joined the BBT wagon?

Why would I?

Essentially, you're saying, "I'm as confident of him being scum as I possibly can be without a confirmed cop result." Is that correct?

i dont actually know
his posts feel so contrived so consistently that im starting to think hes just THAT bad
which i shouldnt be thinking ever because its against common sense but blame the years of me seeing bad town players playing badly

But I mean, people don't ever say, "If I'm wrong, I'm going to be taking a break," unless you're that certain of someone flipping scum. That's like saying, "I'll bet you a million bucks that..." You wouldn't say that unless you were that sure.

I don't like how Kuroi is riffing on this at all, it's a lot of framing

No. This is a lot of analyzing. I'm trying to analyze Wisdom's statements in a way that make sense to me.

[KuroiXHF]

Welcome, RB!
Vote GuiltyLion.

[KuroiXHF]

guiltylion is town, kuroi
why are you even scumreading him

Sorry. I missed the part where he's town?

I don't explain town reads.

...Well then.

This is the part where you tell me I should explain because reasons and I don't end up explaining because I don't explain townreads. I think you're town Wisdom so pls cooperate with me, we will ride our victory horses into the sunset in no time.

I feel like I should have some sort of strong opinion about you, but I have no idea what that opinion would be.

Lynchpool:
Kraeg
Kuroi
Pirate

~

Kuroi because I don't see any reasons to think he's town yet.

Wisdom, did you want to tell him or did you want me to?

Shit.

Later today, I swear.

I'll vote you if I don't get anything by tomorrow.

this vote never happened

Kuroi, why haven't you joined the BBT wagon?

Why would I?

You said you would. Why threaten a vote if you didn't intend to follow up on it?

I thought that was you who said that.
My mistake.
VOTE: BBT

Essentially, you're saying, "I'm as confident of him being scum as I possibly can be without a confirmed cop result." Is that correct?

i dont actually know
his posts feel so contrived so consistently that im starting to think hes just THAT bad
which i shouldnt be thinking ever because its against common sense but blame the years of me seeing bad town players playing badly

But I mean, people don't ever say, "If I'm wrong, I'm going to be taking a break," unless you're that certain of someone flipping scum. That's like saying, "I'll bet you a million bucks that..." You wouldn't say that unless you were that sure.

I don't like how Kuroi is riffing on this at all, it's a lot of framing

No. This is a lot of analyzing. I'm trying to analyze Wisdom's statements in a way that make sense to me.

To me it reads like you're trying to frame Wisdom's scumread into a level of confidence that he wasn't consenting to. What did this line of questioning tell you and what is your current read on Wisdom?[/quote]
It tells me what Wisdom's tells always tell me, very little. I want to scum read him for this, but I feel like it's actually a town tell because I think he'd do better as scum.

[KuroiXHF]

yo kuroi, pay attention. I have straight caught cak boy in a lie.

twice

I'm so sorry.
The cake is a lie.
This is too great.

But I'll take a look.

[KuroiXHF]

Sorry. I missed the part where he's town?

I mean im townreading him, why are you not?

I knew what you meant. I scum read GuiltyLion similarly for reasons why I scum read BBT, but I feel Guilty Lion is just trying to appear to be useful and pro town.

[KuroiXHF]

Because he was pushed to do it. He had damn near no content before he burst out with it.

[KuroiXHF]

I haven't had the chance to review Cakez yet. I hope to be able to.

[KuroiXHF]

I hope to be able to today, I mean.

Sorry. Just finished an overnight and I'm going to head home very soon.

[KuroiXHF]

because i cant read kuroi

I think he's town but I always think he's town even when he isn't

Alright. Catching up to the game and will reread Cakez.

This isn't a win for me, although it feels like one.

[KuroiXHF]

Yeah. I'll put my intention to hammer.

Claim, please.

[KuroiXHF]

I feel like Robb Stark has been used previously as a fake claim. Either way, it's possible.

We have four days left, and I think we'll learn a lot about Kraeg, Wisdom and Pirate if we hammer, so let's do it.

VOTE: SirCakez

[KuroiXHF]

something tells me i was wrong about kuroi yet again

I think you're used to me fighting you on everything.
I probably should have fought with you on this.

[KuroiXHF]

something tells me i was wrong about kuroi yet again

I think you're used to me fighting you on everything.
I probably should have fought with you on this.

Lol you just hammered me and you immediately put the blame on someone else?

What? I put the blame on myself.
Did you even read this?

[KuroiXHF]

No. That blamed me.

*I SHOULD HAVE*

I have a responsibility to scum hunt and be skeptical.

[KuroiXHF]

Because Wisdom is usually pretty good with his reads, as long as they aren't about me.

[KuroiXHF]

Oh man. I woder who he investigated last night.

[KuroiXHF]

It was neither an even night, nor was he an investigative type...

That was an obvious joke...

[KuroiXHF]

Le sigh.

[KuroiXHF]

Hmmm...

VOTE: Shadowwez

I think this is scum him for the objective-style posting, the neutral behavior and the lack of humor.

I think that's a good place to start.

[KuroiXHF]

We have four days left, and I think we'll learn a lot about Kraeg, Wisdom and Pirate if we hammer, so let's do it.

so what did you learn

VOTE: KuroiXHF

I find it interesting that you ask me a question WHILE voting me.

It's almost like you don't care what I have to say or you already know who scum is.

I learned less than I hoped I would. It really taught me not to trust Wisdom. Wisdom is possibly scum, but I still think unlikely. I can probably trust Mollie and Kraeg really gives me nothing on this.

And I really want to vote you.

[KuroiXHF]

It's almost like you don't care what I have to say or you already know who scum is.

it's really not

Why are you hesitating to commit to a read one way or the other on Wisdom?

BBT - you need to give reads and preferably a lynch pool, ASAP

why are you here if you're not going to play

like I can't deal with this, it's significantly harder to form reads when there is one player prodging and ignoring the game, and if you're town then scum is literally never going to NK you

This is ridiculous. I'm not going to try to talk to someone who isn't open to changing their views on a player. That's definitely a scum trait.
I'd say that's scummier than Shadowwez.
VOTE: GuiltyLion

On that note, there's no point in answering your question.

[KuroiXHF]

The only one I'm looking to convince I'm town right now is BBT, and BBT knows exactly why.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm interested in why.

In the meantime,
VOTE: GuiltyLion

His posts seem contrived, and I don't like his move onto the Cake wagon. I'll provide more detail on Monday.

@Mod -

V/LA over the weekend

Him not interested in hearing opinions because he's so sure of himself versus your serious tone that makes me think you're too tense (from trying to fit in?)

It's a judgment call, but I'm OK with that.

[KuroiXHF]

GL is still town

Kuroi is probably scum

You had it right the first time when you said you had no idea how to read me.

Also Shadow, BBT towns and that's what's important right now. BBT doesn't town read me but he basically admitted it's on a gut basis only.

There's not a logistical way I can be scum.

No. I won't explain why right now.

[KuroiXHF]

But I'm not getting a valid reason why.

[KuroiXHF]

I think you know why.

No. I dont. You think my claim is bs but can't come up with a valid reason.

[KuroiXHF]

I agree, Mollie.

BBT if I'm sleeping with you, you might want to give me some bed talk.

[KuroiXHF]

No. We went over that. There's no real scenario that I could be scum. My role doesn't make sense with anyone except for a charsher who isn't even in episode two.

Am im about to give up on you, because you're not even trying to listen to reason.

[KuroiXHF]

Why do you think I neighborized you?

[KuroiXHF]

Can you at least give us the full details of what happened between the two of you last night

I chose to neighborize him last night.
That is all.

To fish for my role?

I didn't fish.
I straight up asked.
Because I wanted to trust you.

You still being suspicious of me is stupid. Because there is ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING PERSON WHO COULD BE A NEIGHBORIZER OTHER THAN WHO I AM.
If you're town, I really want to punch you in your face.

[KuroiXHF]

BBT hasn't told me who he is. But the fact remains, I've

proven

to him that I'm a neighborizer. I also told him my role. I might as well tell you too. I'm Ros.

As I told him, the only possible reasonable scum neighborizer would be Petyr Baelish, who doesn't exist until Episode 3.

[KuroiXHF]

I mentioned in the PT that Ros wasn't in episode two.

So that makes no sense to me either.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm now doubting BBT's innocence. I can't help but imagine that town would consider the other possibilities.

I invite

anyone

to tell me any scum, much less any town who could possibly a neighborizer.

The only other character that would make sense would be Hodor for being the guy who carries Bran, but Hodor would still never be scum.

[KuroiXHF]

BBT, pushing me is good. Being inflexible and resistant to simple common sense is not.
I think I could hammer you, and I'm considering that.
So for a second time, I'll ask you to claim.

Mollie, I never said I'm cleared but the point remains that there's no one that could possibly make sense for me to be scum. My role is confirmed, though, and there's no possible scum person I could be.
And did you really think that we have a scum recruiting cult of a scum? You'd have to stretch is pretty far for this to be possible in a micro game. I could see it possible in a large theme if it's a bastard game, but not in a micro that's designed to not be bastard.

[KuroiXHF]

what cult are you talking about

Scum neighborizers happen all the time

I was responding to Mollie's post at the beginning of the page. She thinks that there's some sort of scum neighborizer/cult recruiter from the White Walkers. I think that notion is ridiculous.

Why did you neighborize BBT?

Because I was most confident in him being town. I considered neighborizing you, but I figured the chances were heavier of you either being scum or dead by night one.

Which brings me to my next concern which is I don't know who I'd neighborize tonight.

Right now, I hope BBT is scum because I'd lose a lot of respect for him if he turns out to be town.

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi, your claim does not make you town.

Stop acting like it does.

The burden goes the other way around. There's nothing about me that is scum, or even scummy.

How could you possibly be confident in me being town from D1.

How were you confident in him being town when he has done nothing all game?

I said

more confident

of you being scum. I was also more confident in my reads of you.

[KuroiXHF]

I said more confident of you being scum.

no, that's not what you said
You said you were most confident in him being town
Why neighborize him over mollie, GL, rb, shaddow etc etc?

Fine. implied. I implied most confident compared to others.

I don't know scum Mollie, and I worry about my ability to read her.

I don't like GL.

I don't like Shaddow.

So it was either him or rb and I know BBT better.

[KuroiXHF]

You're now arguing for the sake of arguing, which is frankly annoying. Do you think I expected you to say, "oh yeah. Absolutely! "

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: bbt

L1

[KuroiXHF]

This is hilarious, in the sad sort of way.

[KuroiXHF]

I agree with that pile if BBT is town; if he isn't I feel like neither Kuroi nor Kraeg make sense as BBT buddies so shaddow has to be the buddy

I could see Kraeg/shaddow too

Wait... You were so convinced Kraeg is town.

You really have to stop taking hard left turns.

[KuroiXHF]

And what do you think of my posts, Kraeg? Not the claim of neighborizer of Ros, but the way that I'm posting. Are they more scum or town to you?

or am I just null?

[KuroiXHF]

I don't think I'll get a lynch on BBT, but I do think Shaddow is scum. He has also been quiet.

VOTE: Shaddowez

[KuroiXHF]

BTW, irrelevant to scum hunting, but I love your new avatar Mollie. That Harley drives me wild.

[KuroiXHF]

I don't think I'll get a lynch on BBT, but I do think Shaddow is scum. He has also been quiet.

VOTE: Shaddowez

You don't think you'll get a lynch on BBT? He was at L-1 before you unvoted. Shaddow has expressed his intent to lynch BBT. He's close to getting lynched.

That was then, and this is now.

[KuroiXHF]

BTW, change your avatar back please, Mollie.

[KuroiXHF]

I find it strange that Kuroi unvoted me.

opinions on kraeg and shaddowz tia

You find everything I fucking do strange.

I'm really trying hard to not ignore you.

Please try to meet me half way.

[KuroiXHF]

I didn't know you were asking me. I don't have a strong opinion on kraeg. If he's town, it's by poe.

And I'm voting Shaddow, so there.

[KuroiXHF]

I've been on two main people, Mollie - Shaddowez and BBT.

How have my trajectories been all over the place?

[KuroiXHF]

I said more confident of you being scum.

no, that's not what you said
You said you were most confident in him being town
Why neighborize him over mollie, GL, rb, shaddow etc etc?

Fine. implied. I implied most confident compared to others.

I don't know scum Mollie, and I worry about my ability to read her.

I don't like GL.

I don't like Shaddow.

So it was either him or rb and I know BBT better.

Does this help, Mollie?

[KuroiXHF]

^scum

its bbt/kraeg for whoever doesnt understand the obvious scum theatre

Uhmmm...

How many scum do you think are in a micro game?

[KuroiXHF]

two

You suggested three?

[KuroiXHF]

should have stayed on bbt

Oh I see. I thought you meant, "I should have stayed on BBT."

[KuroiXHF]

What?

[KuroiXHF]

what are you having trouble understanding?

if shaddow is town it's bbt and kraeg

*thought* - as in past tense./..

[KuroiXHF]

I, uh...

Why BBT?

[KuroiXHF]

they might have a rolecop
BBT would make a good rolecop target on N1

That's probably what makes most sense.

Unless - You or Mollie are scum.

This isn't a good reason to push you, but it'd be difficult to not understand why you two are the biggest names in the game and thus, the biggest targets.

[KuroiXHF]

Here's the one thing that's bothering me - Why was rb killed night one?

It just doesn't make any sense. Did they expect a doctor? Does rb have some sort of reputation I'm not aware of?

[KuroiXHF]

I'll have something when I have something. I'm kind of tired at the moment, to be honest.

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi neighbourized me and first thing he asks for is flavour. Felt all kinds of wrong.

It is interesting how you're not even considering I could be scum though.

hhhmmm...

so kuroi were you a 1 shot? what happened in the hood last night?

Well, I lost someone then gained someone.

[KuroiXHF]

Shaddowez:

52 Asks Expedience/Mollie. Didn't like their interaction with Sircakez, whom we know to be town.
55 "Good info" to Wisdom, responding to Wisdom's tendency to sheep him.
71 Defending me and surprised as Shaddowez questioning me about flavor.
For the rest of the page (because I'm not going to highlight every single post), the two debated in the use of flavor in the game. Shaddowez points to Guilty Lion.
75 Shaddowez invites BBT to play. We know this now as SvT.
84 Expedience has, what I consider to be an awkward response to Shaddowez's 52.

At this point in my re-read (Page 4), GuiltyLion didn't respond to Shaddowez's point.

103 Shaddowez asks Krag for reads.
Kraeg responds and they have a little discussion in 118 and 119. This is enough to make me town read Kraeg a bit.

At the end of Page 6 / beginning of Page 7, I'm beginning to notice nothing between Shaddowez and Guilty Lion, which makes me suspect him.

162 finally brings us something.He finally questions GuiltyLion on stuff, but I think it's quite superficial. This is complicated by no posts I found of Guilty Lion responding. He responds a bit in 258, but it really comes across as him distancing and making the appearance that they're testing one another.

290 HOLD THE PHONE. Gulty Lion makes a bunch of posts the page before, Shaddowez then makes a WALL and doesn't respond to GL even once?

423 I like this from GL.

434 Votes GL but with lackluster effort and a lackluster history. GL didn't even respond to this in 439.

555 is a decent response to Shaddowez's question.

At this point, I've realized that Mollie has little interaction with Shaddowez here - but there's also the complication with this idea in that I probably can't read Mollie.

So for what I have, I'm strongly pushing for VOTE: GuiltyLion's lynch. I might be wrong, but this is the link that I definitely want to check out.


171 I think Kraeg is town, but this post comes across as paranoid, which makes me want to vote him.

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi neighbourized me and first thing he asks for is flavour. Felt all kinds of wrong.

It is interesting how you're not even considering I could be scum though.

hhhmmm...

so kuroi were you a 1 shot? what happened in the hood last night?

Well, I lost someone then gained someone.

who did you gain?

I said who I gained yesterday and I lost a partner.
How many more partners must I lose?
Why can't you let me have

one

friend?

[KuroiXHF]

I made it very clear that I neighborized BBT yesterday.

[KuroiXHF]

OK. I'm beginning to want to vote Mollie now.

[KuroiXHF]

OK. I'm beginning to want to vote Mollie now.

if you are town I already think you are a VI at this point you do not have to go out of your way to prove it.

the thing is that is 1 too many facts of the game that you are trying to obfuscate and I think all of your bullshit is a facade at this point

What leads you to believe I'm a VI?
Also, how does my posting make me a VI?

[KuroiXHF]

So what I'm getting from Mollie is, "If you don't agree with me, you're stupid. All of you are stupid. I'm the only smart one here."

[KuroiXHF]

Hmmm... Interesting.

[KuroiXHF]

Also interesting.

I'm curious how I went to strong town to scum enough for a vote.

[KuroiXHF]

I already told Kuroi about me having an inno on you, so him saying he wants to vote you makes no sense (I'd also have to be scum if you were) and his "interesting" is bullshit

I never said I scum read her. I said I wanted to vote her because she's annoying me with the way she's playing the game.
But I wouldn't. I thought this was obvious, especially to you.

[KuroiXHF]

As for the re-read, I actually forgot towards the end that Mollie was cleared. So that was my mistake.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm curious why Wisdom didn't tell me anything at the time, though.

Wait, what? Policy vote?

I don't do policy votes.

[KuroiXHF]

Let me be clear - I have nor have I had any intentions at all to vote Mollie today.

[KuroiXHF]

On that note, I just figured out Wisdom's character. Seems kind of strange for a micro, but I'll buy it.

[KuroiXHF]

Well, Kraeg isn't by any means clear.
And you could still be scum.
Technically, Mollie could still be scum.

Coincidentally, I just listed my reads from scum to town. (Of course after Guilty Lion)

[KuroiXHF]

I'm only speaking semantically, but Mollie could be scum if you lied to gain her favor if you somehow believed you'd be next for the chopping block.
But I'd guess that's much less than a 1%.

Realistically, the last scum is in Kraeg or Guilty Lion.
Slightly possible in you, Wisdom.

[KuroiXHF]

okay. From what you said you think it to be GL, so you should be fine with going today if we lynch him tomorrow

And lynch me today?
I'd definitely be cool with that if I was 100% positive on GL, which I'm not.
Again, it's either you or Kraeg as a plan B, but there'd be no plan B.

Plus, the fact that we made it public would mean you die tonight.

This means that if we lynch GL tonight and we're wrong, it's an automatic win.

Preview Edit: Now you're just trolling, Mollie.
Shut it.

[KuroiXHF]

okay then ill just assure you you dont have to worry, whoever of me/mollie is alive tomorrow will carefully consider both GL and Kraeg as options

I trust Mollie to be town.
I don't trust her reads.

[KuroiXHF]

Wisdom out of curiosity, why would you think I'd go after mollie after you tell me she's clear?

[KuroiXHF]

also i just have to point out that in the same post you're thinking I could be scum yet are also sure I am going to die tonight

lmao

Its not dumb to consider both possibilities.

[KuroiXHF]

to act dumb on purpose

you've done it before and you've specifically stated you did it to fool me

Looks like I'm keeping you on your toes.
Good.

[KuroiXHF]

Two votes presumed to be on me.
Two votes on Guilty Lion.
The last person remaining is Guilty Lion. So yeah, maybe I should start hugging people goodbye?

[KuroiXHF]

just so that there is no misunderstanding, I am going to vote for kuroi

but I wld like lion and kraeg to chime in first

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCgmrcxn4Zc&t=18m27s

[KuroiXHF]

GL didn't even mention my criticisms of him and Shaddowez...

[KuroiXHF]

kraeg, why isn't kuroi scum

Well Radja said I wasn't and this isn't a bastard game so...

[KuroiXHF]

KuroiXHF is not scum and this isn't a bastard game, so...

[KuroiXHF]

KuroiXHF is not scum and this isn't a bastard game, so...

VOTE: kuroi

(Not taking you seriously anymore, BTW)

[KuroiXHF]

Actually, I'll say another thing - There's a big difference between being able to read me and just voting me, getting me lynched and gloating about it when you get lucky.

[KuroiXHF]

sure, we got lucky catching you

Except catching implies I'm scum.

But if we can be realistic with each other, Wisdom. There's nothing I could really say to prove that to you, is there?

[KuroiXHF]

I did say that I neighborized BBT because I felt I could read him best. Obviously I'm biased since I know my real role and you guys don't, but there's no scum motivation to get BBT on my side.

If I can ask one more question I asked before, who would be the scum neighborizer? Does it make sense for Cersei? Did she try to gain any loyalties in the game? We haven't gotten to the point of her curfuffle with Eddard about the Baratheon/Lannister boys.

[KuroiXHF]

Which brings me to Guilty Lion. if you're not Cersei, who are you?

[KuroiXHF]

Him doing that should be a town move to talk to someone who hasn't been posting.

except that Kuroi claimed that he neighborized him because he was his top town read

Sorry. Where did I say that? I don't see that in my ISO.

[KuroiXHF]

Wisdom, read the PT. I don't know if I can quote it, but you can look.
Last line of Post 6.

[KuroiXHF]

Alright, fair enough. It doesn't change the fact that I can read BBT, even with low content.

[KuroiXHF]

Wisdom, read the PT. I don't know if I can quote it, but you can look.
Last line of Post 6.

yes, that line is you saying to BBT that you neighborized him in order to read him better

But that's not what you said inthread

The magical land of only one reason existing.

[KuroiXHF]

And I'm hammered.
I'm town.
And you better be this sure about Kraeg being town.

[KuroiXHF]

I still think there is a good chance that kuroi is scum cos he was trolling before he was hammered and it just looks like he is continuing to troll afterwards.

I'm so fucking glad you're not scum because you're saying all the things scum would say.
Instead, you're just either paranoid/crazy or very silly and I can't tell which.

But yeah, GuiltyLion is scum.