Micro 718 - Roleblocker 6 (Game Over)

[Persivul]

Here. Will catch up later today.

[Persivul]

I replaced shaddowez. I've read the game through once. Still need to look at ISOs.

[Persivul]

UNVOTE: Edo

Not feeling this vote anymore.

Why not?

I'd lynch within Gamma or Shadow but that slots getting replaced, (presuming that Persivul is his replacement).

Why Shadow? This is your very first mention of him.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Gamma

L-1

[Persivul]

I was half expecting a beetlejuice from gamma from the L-1, but he seems to be legitimately off site.

[Persivul]

No mention of an additional extension was made.

I'll be around before deadline. I'll unvote. You vote. I'll give him until tomorrow morning EDT to post. How's that?

UNVOTE:

[Persivul]

Well fuck that one is surely awkward -

please, come tell people why I'm townie

.

[Persivul]

Note that mod increased the deadline to 2 days.

[Persivul]

I'll catch up eventually. Sorry this is backburnered!

I really didn't like ASP's push on shos, and you presumably know that you have time to play a game when you sign up as a replacement.

VOTE: Aristophanes

[Persivul]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Even if he came back and defended well today there's no way this group would be able to run up a different lynch in day. Hopefully people will be more engaged tomorrow.

[Persivul]

That was a hammer.

Yep.

Not really happy that you didn't give Gamma the remaining hours he had.

He hasn't been on site since Saturday, so he didn't know deadline was extended. Doubtful he was coming back.

The Ari vote was meh, especially so close do deadline on a slot that wasn't likely to engage.

The point was to get him to post, and it worked. I had seen that he's in a lot of games, so his explanation is reasonable. I still don't like the ASP ISO, but Ari's lack of participation is now NAI to me. We'll see what he does tomorrow.

[Persivul]

VOTE: kop

[Persivul]

I'm wondering why scum kop wouldn't just bus there, he didn't try to lynch anyone else so why not bus with a partner lynch inevitable?

He could still be scum, of course. That play around deadline definitely looks bad with gamma being scum, I'm just not sure if he would really make himself look that bad if he knew that flip was coming though, if that makes sense.

Bussing D1 on a 2-man team is near suicidal. The simplest route is to kill from the people off the lynch wagon, and let any investigative check within the wagon. Disclaimer - I did bus D1 in a micro once, but my partner's play was incredibly bad. Gamma was just meh.

[Persivul]

I'm wondering why scum kop wouldn't just bus there, he didn't try to lynch anyone else so why not bus with a partner lynch inevitable?

Thinking more on it, I agree with this. I was going with Kop because you said you have a TR on pyra, but pyra makes more sense. It's tougher for a newbie to decide to bus there.

VOTE: pyra

[Persivul]

I don't understand how you suggest that only a newbie busses there.

I'm saying the opposite - I'm saying the newbie

doesn't

have the confidence to bus on a 2-man team. Pyra

wasn't

on the lynch.

The Gamma slot was a lost cause and not voting there and tryin to go elsewhere would have put pressure on anyone.

Why do you not think that people voting earlier on the Gamma wagon voted there because they weren't expecting Gamma to be lynched? (me or Rask).

Look at the VCs. 404 - Gamma lynched on 6.20. 339 - on 6.17, just 3 days prior, there's not a vote on gamma. The gamma wagon came together late. It's not like someone had a vote parked there from a week earlier and couldn't think of a way to get off when the wagon moved. People don't tend to make distancing votes at that point in phase.

[Persivul]

Given how the game has gone, and how hard it's been to push anyone (other than the earlier L1 on Gamma) why do you not think that either me or Rask voted in hope to distance and aim for a NL?

It's possible, but with such little time left in phase it's very risky. As you note, gamma had previously been at L-1, so you would know the support is there. Why would either of you as scum think that was a safe play? Plus, you had already done distancing with the prior L-1.

I doubt that's the situation, but you seem to have bypassed it instantly ignoring everyone who voted Gamma.

In my experience, the simple explanation, if there is one, is right more often than not.

Why do you think Kop is less like to avoid bussing that Pyra? Being new isn't what I'll accept for that reasoning either.
Kop gave intent to vote Gamma, but never actually done so.

Kop is more experienced. If you don't want to accept that reasoning - don't.

[Persivul]

Do something useful like voting Pyra.

[Persivul]

I pretty much expect that on weekends any more. Not saying I like it, but it doesn't surprise me.

[Persivul]

VOTE: kop

can see pyra's point on kop potentially trying to buy gamma some time

What do you think of the fact that pyra didn't find his own point convincing enough to put a vote with it?

[Persivul]

VOTE: kop

L-1

Maybe this will get him posting.

[Persivul]

He didn't actually say "convince." Misuse of quotation marks annoys me, especially in a game of mafia.

[Persivul]

Or someone could just hammer him...

[Persivul]

Rask, I have a game based on Breaking Bad in signups in Mini Theme...please join if you have time for another game.

[Persivul]

course maybe kop did something scummy but 90% of the time i play with him, he gets lynched/vigged due to being inactive. so i assume that's what happened this game.

when will you get it instilled in your pathetic brains that activity over the course off the game isn't alignment indicative.

Bussing D1 with a 2-player scum team is pretty rare, so kop is in the obvious lynch pool as he wasn't on the gamma lynch. Personally I prefer pyra today, and was voting kop primarily to get him to do something.

VOTE: pyra

[Persivul]

And so your read on Ari is based on?

[Persivul]

Yeah, I know, it was a rhetorical question. Point being that people can vote for pressure to help get a read, so I disagree with your characterization of the kop wagon as quasi emotional.

[Persivul]

I wonder if I should

No, it has to be Transcend today.

[Persivul]

Don't you understand why it has to be you?

[Persivul]

VOTE: Transcend

[Persivul]

Transcend standard play is just to lynch VT claims in a scenario like this

Because you early claimed like you did the onus is on you to make it a very compelling case for why someone else should be lynched.

Exactly.

[Persivul]

"let's just mindlessly lynch VT claims as they have no worth to the game" - u guys

like yea lynching me doesn't draw out any power roles but jesus fuck it's incredibly lazy

It's somewhat lazy, but it's logical, and likely to lead to a win.

Lynching Ari, who hasn't posted at all and is apparently busy in RL, is highly lazy and completely illogical.

[Persivul]

But Persivul is mafia

Why?

Why does scum!pers try to derail an Ari lynch and push a claimed VT? If there were two or more scum, you could argue that we're buddies. But, there's only one scum left. Charging me with being scum for wanting to lynch you over Ari makes absolutely no sense.

[Persivul]

let's just mindlessly lynch VT claims

Why do you think that lynching a VT claim is mindless in this setup and this game state?

[Persivul]

Mod, can we get a VC?

[Persivul]

How about if we lynch you today and if there's a tomorrow, I go next? I'm not too worried about that...

[Persivul]

No, lynch Transcend.

[Persivul]

Ari would just be a PL.

[Persivul]

Persivul do you think transcend is scum over pyra at this point?
I follow the claim logic, I'm curious though because after transcend claimed VT you voted pyra and said you preferred him.

I wanted to see Pyra's reaction. His lack of concern looks OK.

[Persivul]

Meh, these Isos are both boring.

From interactions Pers seems far more likely than Shos.

So let's
VOTE: Pers

First, not playing at all. Now, playing like shit. You shouldn't have joined this game. You're ruining it.

[Persivul]

You should have done that two weeks ago when I first pointed it out.

[Persivul]

Hammer Transcend.

[Persivul]

I was cop. I got an innocent on Ari N1. If Transcend wasn't scum, I just needed another inno (or of course a guilty) to win it. So, I wasn't really concerned with scum hunting. I figured I'd survive N2 because, if Transcend was town, his push on me presumably made me look lynchable and rask proabbly would have died.

[Persivul]

My Breaking Bad mafia is in signups in mini theme. 13 player role madness. Still need 7 players.

[Persivul]

Did gamma claim VT early? If not, he should have claimed a PR to draw a CC.

[Persivul]

Suspected you of this inno

Yeah I figured you were onto it.

but also thought maybe someone had a Pyra inno since there was way less talk there today.

It was likely the scum was off the gamma wagon and I had the inno on ari, so for me it was between transcend and pyra. But, I didn't want to antoagonize both for fear of NK. So when I pushed Transcend for the VT claim (and that was bad as town or scum), I had to lay off pyra. Actually I suspected pyra over transcend and was planning on investigating pyra N2.

[Persivul]

Eh probably

Sign up for Breaking Bad!

[Persivul]

i knew i was likely boned so i just meme'd my way through

aris wasn't getting lynched, pers would've pushed hard against it.

Nah, I wouldn't risk my own cop neck over a single innocent. Gentle pushing was all he would have gotten - especially after he saw all the clues but didn't put them together, and voted me!

[Persivul]

so basically with an IC and 2 prs left my chances of winning were very slim. So I just had the most fun with it rofl.

You shouldn't have claimed VT but it probably wouldn't have mattered in the end. Town gets a huge advantage in this setup after a scum lynch because otherwise so-so roles like tracker and town RB effectively become cops when down to a single scum.

[Persivul]

Eh probably

Sign up for Breaking Bad!

i did it

Nice!