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Post Post #700 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:05 am

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Post Post #701 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:08 am

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In post 447, Bins wrote:I'll probably vote Herr if DL comes down to it, but I will not be happy if we quicklynch NS, RC.
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Post Post #702 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:09 am

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I mean I'm not here to criticize your reads, far from it, I'm just showing that scum can get themselves really far into town good graces.

I actually once got the cop inno lynched over myself in a large.
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Post Post #703 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:10 am

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I lynched four people with cute frog pictures before running out of towncred as an arsonist in titus' large (two of them were scum but one was a death godfather so he flipped vanilla town)

i was the towniest arsonist that ever towned :)
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Post Post #704 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:12 am

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I do think people are underestimating how much it hurts scum to not be able to kill the people they want to kill.
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Post Post #705 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:13 am

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"I will not be happy" is really not what I would call a strongly opposed.

Also, it was mainly because of the QL anyways.
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Post Post #706 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:14 am

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Yeah, but otherwise this is essentially 7-2 mountainous which is like 15% town winrate.

I do realize it, because instead of just having to be in the top half of town scum now have to be in the top quarter.

But no PRs + no NKA changes the ballpark entirely.
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Post Post #707 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:15 am

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I don't think scum were as far from winning this game as you seem to think.

If Herrcombs had survived and been lynched, instant LyLo.

Only 2 possible mislynches + no PRs makes for a narrow margin of victory.
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Post Post #708 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:20 am

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true. and in lylo you get paranoid of people even if you'd been townreading them before and there's an explanation for why they're still alive like there is here, which could easily fall on a townie.

and it is almost mountainous, that's true.

I think it would be more interesting if everyone has 1-shot bodyguard and it wouldn't affect the balance too much, just a little bit.
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Post Post #709 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:55 am

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nuu setup is fine trusterino
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Post Post #710 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:55 am

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Thanks for modding, Ploti, and thanks to everyone else for a fun game ^.^ I didn't have as much time to dedicate to this game, and I didn't feel very comfortable making lots of rooms when I didn't know anyone :/ More rooms would've probably helped, since that was where the important stuff was happening. I wish I could've gotten more into this. But it looks like y'all did just fine lol :P
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Post Post #711 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:57 am

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like I'll wait to total it till later but given that I had about 400 posts in my PTs and that's just one player we're talking about a town that had like 1200 posts of discussion over 2 days in a micro.

this game didn't go to town because of issues with the setup
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Post Post #712 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:59 am

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In post 709, RadiantCowbells wrote:nuu setup is fine trusterino


okay. I trust you. we'll try it again. i'll try to recruit some strong scum players to prein.

I'm slightly overextended on mafia games at the moment but a few should be wrapping up soon and then I'll join the mod queue again for slavic mafia ii.

pedit: i'll check the post counts across all the PTs. i'm curious about this too. :)
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Post Post #713 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:01 pm

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town did play really well; i'm not trying to downplay that. I just really felt sorry for the scumteam because I do feel that some things that hurt them weren't their faults (real life stuff, herrcombs protecting radiantcowbells on night 2). I think both sides played well.
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Post Post #714 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:03 pm

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I think town played pretty well here. I think in a micro that tends to happen though. I am not sure how it would fare in a larger game but that's probably my preference showing rather than real feedback! :)

It is a really interesting mechanic. Where do I go and second whatever you did to say that, RC?
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Post Post #715 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:03 pm

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942 posts in the PTs (not counting the scum pt, the dead thread, or the mod pt. all other pts were counted)
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Post Post #716 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:04 pm

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In fairness Herr protecting RC was excellent town strat. WIFOM elimination was my argument for Espe protecting me N1 in the end, too.
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Post Post #717 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:05 pm

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yeah, herr protecting RC was a wonderful townplay. and espe protecting you was also really great for town.

it's just that scum couldn't have anticipated it. it wasn't their fault that herr died; they thought herr was scumreading rc and wouldn't protect a scumread and that was good and sound logic. herr outWIFOMed the scum and did an excellent job.
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Post Post #718 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:07 pm

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Also I agree with whoever said Herr was obvtowning in the Postie and Herr PT.
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Post Post #719 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:25 pm

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Also, the issue comparing this setup to mountainous is that mountainous doesn't force scum to make suboptimal kills.

That's the ONE big part of being the informed minority, you can remove vocal players. In this setup, we were forced to kill two very mislynchable players. I mean, you can fault scum and say it's their fault for not being top-tier town all you want, but if scum attempting to kill top-tier town are instead forced to kill low-tier town, it's hard for them to win.

Maybe give scum a roleblock or something, but there needs to be someway for scum to take out problem targets.
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Post Post #720 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:14 pm

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Yeah, but scum being forced to make suboptimal kills compensates for the fact that this would be otherwise quite difficult for town.
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Post Post #721 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:37 pm

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Not when the suboptimal kills just ends up with "kill literally every viable mislynch"
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Post Post #722 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:44 pm

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Instead of bodyguards there should be polarity shifts

Ie

You target a b dies

B a dies

Multiple actions makes them fail

That gives town the same basic element and some wifom but doesn't erase counterplay
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Post Post #723 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:35 pm

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I'd rather just make it 7p if it was really imbalanced because to me the point of the setup is that you can't NK heavily townread people.
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Post Post #724 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:09 pm

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If you really wanted to introduce WIFOM, I think the best strategy would be to make bodyguarding compulsory.

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