League of Legends (Old)

zoraster · Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:47 am

In post 40564, Klazam wrote:stole baron from cho? dat cho needs uninstalling

Also, the cho wasn't jungling, so cho would have to beat smite with feast... not smite vs. smite+feast. Even if Cho was 16 at the time (probably at 45?) he only had 130 AP, so his feast was doing 741 true damage. At level 16, smite does 900 damage.

zoraster · Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:01 am

what was the other execute? unless you're on voice comms, the idea that you should be able to time different champions' executes along with smite is laughable.

Don't get me wrong, it's still amazing to steal a baron, etc. Just pointing out that it's not really cho's fault.

zoraster · Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:44 am

ah right.

zoraster · Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:49 am

2 weeks suspension?

zoraster · Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:25 pm

i don't think queue dodging ever gives penalties that harsh. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Queue_dodging

zoraster · Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:31 am

They're probably going to nerf skirmisher's saber pretty soon with its adoption in top lane too. Kind of a shame as it's interesting.

zoraster · Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:20 am

yeah most seem to give up flash and use a champion with either an escape or a speed boost or something: hecarim, shyvanna and mundo are the ones I've heard most. It still requires playing somewhat safely in the opening minutes, but with a side that if you need to leave lane because the lane gets pushed you can jungle.

To be fair, I think this is one of those things that's more powerful in organized games (I think China and both EUCS and NACS have used it recently), but still seems viable in solo.

zoraster · Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:43 am

do people really have a problem with flash?

zoraster · Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:37 am

As long as there's diversity for one of the slots I don't really mind, but there are some niche picks that don't take flash. I think they could do a little to make a couple of the summoner's spells more appealing at least, particularly Barrier and Cleanse (add armor/MR to barrier, allow cleanse to work on basically everything, particularly suppression). I'm not sure Clairvoyance or Clarity are worth trying to improve.

zoraster · Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:39 am

If everyone on a team is using cleanse to deal with suppression champions, I think you've done your job already. Plus, just like Flash and teleport, these things do have significantly longer cooldowns than the suppression abilities.

zoraster · Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:57 am

In post 40622, PJ. wrote:Can't heal through a wall, can't exhaust away from sticky tank, can't ignite away from an assassin trying to do you, and teleport takes a month to get you anywhere and can be interrupted.

pardon?

zoraster · Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:12 am

In post 40627, quadz08 wrote:
In post 40625, MystoNeko wrote:
In post 40623, FakeGod wrote:Ghost-Smite is pretty standard on jungle Olafs

hmm yea but I think that's the only champion that can still use ghost effectively. I can't think of any other right now

Horse used to take ghost I thought, before TP-homeguard was strictly better

I think it's still used in that. It's usually TP/Ghost

zoraster · Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:45 am

In post 40646, KaleiÐoscøpe wrote:Anyone tried running smite top for the sickingly good jungle item for tanks?

I tried it with Mundo. Worked well, but I think to be really useful you need to also have some jungle mentality (really think about when's a good opening to take Krugs/Gromp, invade to steal blue, make sure you have the scuttler on timer).

Honestly, cinderhulk is very good, but the combination with skirmishers is what makes it really good.

zoraster · Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:40 am

he should get level 2 from killing krugs as long as no one else is there to leach and you get both of them. Wasting TP right away isn't that big a deal. You figure you respawn around 2:40, you TP in at 2:45, so your TP is back up at 6:45ish. It means you can't back early, but you have a few extra potions, which should make that unnecessary as Sion. I don't think most Sions would want to TP elsewhere on the map before 7 minutes anyway, but I'm no expert.

zoraster · Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:02 pm

In post 40718, DeathRowKitty wrote:
In post 40707, quadz08 wrote:what direction is that?
Partly the fact that they're steering into the mobility creep, but it's more that they've started throwing in mechanics that can't possibly have been thought out beyond "WE DON'T HAVE THIS YET, THIS CHAMPION IS UNIQUE" and that fundamentally change the way you have to interact with gameplay elements. I can go on an entire rant about Azir or Kalista or Bard or Yasuo, but I won't. Bard is by far my least favorite champion, but only because my irrational hatred of Quinn has caused me to not consider her to be a champion at all.

I feel like we have approximately the opposite reactions.

zoraster · Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:20 am

there is literally no way that's "plagiarism." It's clearly a reference to the commercial. Come on now.

zoraster · Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:25 am

evelynn?

zoraster · Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:38 am

I thought she was indian?

zoraster · Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:54 am

Well, her being "Karma" seems like it'd fit more with an Indian heritage, plus I mean... just look:

zoraster · Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:20 am

so i was curious and I looked through. I made arbitrary distinctions between who looks human enough and put everyone else in an "Others" category (I mean sure most have a "gender" but one that's largely irrelevant for this). Support+ is the people who have Support as a main or secondary mark. Obviously this isn't about meta, but I think it shows who was designed to do what.

What stands out most to me is that while Support primaries are about the same, even classes that were designed to be played elsewhere were kind of designed as "supporty" (think Morgana, Orianna, Lux, Karma).

zoraster · Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:34 am

this is how I broke them down fwiw: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... FcLGs/edit

there were some cases that were close... Kassadin and Jax, for example. But interestingly almost all the close cases of "do they go in the "humanish ______ category?" were male. Sure there's Nami and Cassiopeia, but at least for me those weren't particularly close calls.

zoraster · Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:48 am

I am making no statement based on lore or whatever. I frankly don't care about that, and I think it actually makes the exercise muddier to buy into the lore. I'm entirely focused on the character model/splash screens and what I think they're intended to be read as or what I read them as. I'll readily accept that my biases are at work.

I understand all these Yordles are the same race, but some are human analogues and some are more of the creature variety (Teemo looks like a squirrel to me. Fizz looks way more like a fish than nami does. Tristana is less humanish than she used to be, but I'm pretty used to the old model. Lulu, corki, poppy, ziggs are all clearly modeled on humans).

zoraster · Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:53 am

Oh you're right, Aatrox is pretty human looking. My memory had him more demon looking. Changed

zoraster · Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:49 am

In post 40799, JasonWazza wrote:Can we just stop this and realize one thing

VIDEO GAMES ARE SEXIST, RACIST, ETC. NO ONE REALLY GIVES THIS MUCH OF A FUCK.

No?

Why is it that games are held to a massive ass statement of bullshit equality, yet no where else is held to such scrutiny?

Movies and TV shows are frequently subjected to the same scrutiny. Books for that matter too.

zoraster · Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:07 pm

my wife got contacted by a recruiter for riot a few days ago. no idea for what kind of position, not that she's interested right now.

zoraster · Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:21 pm

what? I would love to live in Santa Monica or on the west side. No idea what you're talking about.

As for market rate, I have no idea. I suspect they pay market rate or more for most things, but it'd still be a substantial step down for my wife.

zoraster · Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:29 pm

if you don't know what the west side is, i suspect you've never lived in LA.

zoraster · Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:29 pm

also, yeah i've lived in LA as well as the valley. my mother-in-law is in carlsbad too fwiw.

zoraster · Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:51 pm

brentwood, westwood, beverly hills, west la, marina del rey... maybe century city? like... obviously they're expensive. But I mean... that's part of it, right?

zoraster · Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:26 pm

malzahar jungle

zoraster · Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:19 am

i'm really sad you aren't doing bard. papa zito hates fun.

zoraster · Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:57 am

i haven't played him a ton, but to me the Q just feels sluggish. i saw on the PBE that they had sped up the missile speed, but then they reverted it.

zoraster · Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:58 am

In any competitive event, most people experience plateaus in performance. Whether that's lifting weights, running fast, playing chess, or league of legends it'll happen to most people. But lots of people eventually break through that frustrating period... it just takes time and (sometimes) perspective. You maybe got as good as you could through doing the same sorts of things you were doing before -- just doing them better. But at some point that has to end and you have to figure out different ways to do it.

Not using my own league performance as a source of advice -- I suck and I will likely always suck -- but just general insight into how life works.

zoraster · Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:41 am

i always forget. is this you, panzer? http://wardscore.loltools.net/?name=Aud ... &region=na

zoraster · Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:51 am

ranked. they search wards per game.

zoraster · Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:00 am

it counts trinket wards, so probably that.

zoraster · Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:54 am

I don't think it's optimal (heal has saved me/my teammates from getting killed/gotten me kills almost as much as flash), but teleport on an ADC isn't exactly like taking clairvoyance or something. Teleport is pretty awesome.

zoraster · Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:54 am

ps. why doesn't chrome know the word teleport when google quickly defines it?

zoraster · Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:59 am

I mean there's a reason why only top laners tend to take teleport right now.

zoraster · Mon Apr 27, 2015 3:55 am

why not just go a marksman? The ratio on Parrrley is just 100% AD and its range is less than caitlyn's

zoraster · Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:38 pm

maybe GP just isn't that good.

zoraster · Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:42 am

lots of neat stuff in the patch notes, but surrender timer being reduced to 15 in ARAM makes that game mode 25% more playable.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/g ... h-58-notes

zoraster · Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:01 pm

recursive bow builds into BTORK

zoraster · Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:07 pm

I'll ruin your king.

zoraster · Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:42 am

Well that's fine if you don't care about your teammates being able to do damage to the enemy. Plus, it has a lot of good other stats: CD reduction, 400 health, phage unique.

If you're the only Physical damage on your team, BC probably isn't that great (though it's cost effective without stacks). If you have two or three AD teammates, then it can be pretty awesome in team fights against tanks.

zoraster · Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:04 am

did you previously max your CD on talon, hito? If so, how are you going to adjust your build?

zoraster · Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:29 am

well the finished item doesn't have any flat armor pen, so you'd be trading some of your brutalizer's flat armor pen.

zoraster · Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:30 am

what are the other typical items that fill that role? Triforce on some (which shares the phage)... Brutalizer used to be common, but I can't imagine youmumus is the item you're looking for if you only get one...

zoraster · Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:45 am

oh right. hydra. botrk seems an odd one to be a solo item

zoraster · Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:11 pm

just need two more wins to get my other account to 30. the worst levels were around 10-20.

zoraster · Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:51 pm

gosh darn inebriati princple. Two beers=good. Three beers=bad. Also, have to use the bathroom a lot. But fortunately because three beers=bad i'm dead a lot and can run to the bathroom really quickly.

zoraster · Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:42 pm

No. Unless you want my death to be more than just virtual.

zoraster · Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:43 pm

anyone want to duo with me to make my level 30? only have 60 XP to go and have a boost on. so win or lose, i make it.

zoraster · Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:19 pm

haha i am, but i just made glork, singer and quadz suffer through a horrible ARAM to get me to 30

zoraster · Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:27 pm

holy shit. my wife and I just looked up the voice actors for LoL and her best friend did the voice for Orianna!

zoraster · Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:45 pm

In post 41141, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 41137, zoraster wrote:holy shit. my wife and I just looked up the voice actors for LoL and her best friend did the voice for Orianna!

You did the voice for Orianna??

hahaha zing! no, her friend from undergrad who now lives in hong kong teaching english. It's mostly weird because she's more dabbled in VO work doing mostly non-union anime stuff, so I never would have expected to hear her voice on something.

zoraster · Tue May 05, 2015 2:41 am

Finally leveled my alt to 30 and did my placements and was put into Silver III despite going 5-5 (compared to my 7-3 Bronze I finish on my main). Getting to 30 sure is a slog!

zoraster · Tue May 05, 2015 3:37 am

did you add yourself to the spreadsheet on the OP, Psyche?

zoraster · Tue May 05, 2015 12:24 pm

it is not for no reason that in the 90s when pulling a prank, where one kid would make another kid believe something that was not true, the prankster would yell, "Psyche!"

zoraster · Wed May 06, 2015 3:01 am

I have't checked, but I assume that any skill that relies on flat damage rather than high AD ratios would benefit from armor pen. not sure that makes it worth it though.

zoraster · Wed May 06, 2015 3:32 am

Am incorrect to think that flat armor pen from runes is actually better the less armor a player has? Because armor has decreasing utility, and unlike LW (which is a % armor pen), removing points of armor from someone without much armor has a greater effect than against someone who has a lot?

If so, that seems a bit counterintuitive...

P-edit: i see myk's post now

zoraster · Wed May 06, 2015 4:21 am

yes, it does. Jinx at level 1 (23 armor) with no armor runes takes 81.3% damage. From 23 to 24 armor she takes 80.6% damage, or roughly 0.66% less damage. But the difference between her having 99 armor (you take 50.25%) and 100 (you take 50% damage) is only 0.25%. Therefore, at the start, she's getting 2.64x as much out of each point of armor than she is at higher armor levels.

So flat armor pen that reduces at that lower armor levels does 2.64x more than flat armor pen at higher armor levels.

To put it another way, at 50 armor you take 66.7% damage. At 100 you take 50% . At 150 you take 40% damage.

zoraster · Wed May 06, 2015 4:42 am

Actually, looking into it you may be right since each health left is also of a higher value with higher armor.

zoraster · Wed May 06, 2015 6:49 am

just curious, why go 2 AS/1 AD Quint? Why not all one or the other?

zoraster · Wed May 06, 2015 12:53 pm

it makes people miss auto attacks.

zoraster · Wed May 06, 2015 6:24 pm

In post 41260, PJ. wrote:
In post 41254, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 41253, PJ. wrote:Keep pushing out skins and ignoring known login bugs.

You
don't
want the skins team working on bugs. They have no or very little idea on how to code and would probably just make the game worse. It's comments like these that make me rage, because it shows how little people actually know about the industry as a whole.

You're an idiot animorph. An inordinate amount funds goes to the art teams, that do ridiculous amounts of shit that doesn't even get used and towards creating little 14 dollar skins to sell that could be being directed towards hiring people that fix bugs, qa, ect. The allocation of funds is directed towards selling micro-purchases and not creating a game that you can reliably login to play.

How exactly do you think they make money? Like I agree, I'd love to get more stability. But allocating resources toward skins is net positive for their resources, not negative.

zoraster · Thu May 07, 2015 2:44 am

In post 41267, pickemgenius wrote:Panzer is wording things slightly poorly but let's be real.

What the fuck more does Riot need to get a better client?

They've been the biggest game in the world for like 3 years now? That's fucking insane, and we still have all these stupid fucking bugs that FRUSTRATE people NEEDLESSLY. We don't have a replay system either. Like fuck.

I think a lot of people don't care about a lot of things, they just want a simple hassle free way to play league of legends.

I agree with this absolutely. And regardless of whether they're making money right now, I think they could probably be making more by reducing the frustrations associated with their game. And it IS frustrating.

But I don't think that the problem is that Riot spends a lot of resources on things like skins and champions because that returns a lot of resources. Whatever is keeping them from figuring out a solution isn't the release of skins.

zoraster · Thu May 07, 2015 6:29 am

I played a game on the LAN server last night as the NA one was down, and that 40 ms change really seems to make a difference with responsiveness. Wondering if i should transfer my alt account over there. Also sort of nice not to understand what my teammates are saying.

zoraster · Thu May 07, 2015 8:09 am

what?

zoraster · Thu May 07, 2015 9:02 am

i mean he's fun to play, kind of like lucian

zoraster · Thu May 07, 2015 9:07 am

also it's worth pointing out that champion.gg, while really great, covers platinum+ matches.

zoraster · Thu May 07, 2015 9:23 am

Honestly, a lot of it comes from playing games. Make a point of trying to identify people on your mini-map. This may be a problem unique to me, but when I first started I literally could not understand how people were watching the mini-map AND playing the game. I can still get tunnel vision, but now it's become more natural. And that's kind of important for split pushing because if you see people top, you know they're not going bot any time soon.

zoraster · Thu May 07, 2015 9:28 am

Do it ASAP.

zoraster · Thu May 07, 2015 10:18 am

Don't be shy about pinging, btw. Basically, ping for everything.

zoraster · Fri May 08, 2015 6:24 am

Could I have gotten this pentakill? or would doing so have given up our final nexus turret? I didn't go for it (I dashed back), but I maybe could have. But I was afraid at the time that I might (a) die to stupid thornmail shen or (b) the minions would finish off the pretty low turret. Plus, when I was watching my deathtimer get to zero my sole thought was getting them off the turrets fast.

zoraster · Fri May 08, 2015 8:01 am

In post 41334, quadz08 wrote:depends a lot on you and shen's itemization at that point

In post 41335, quadz08 wrote:if he's got any damage I'm pretty sure he just kills you?

I had IE, Shiv, LW, Vamp Scepter, BF Sword (I think? hard to tell with timing, but I don't think i finished my BT+Specter's Cowl until after this)

He had Thornmail, Sunfire Cape, and Spirit Visage.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends. ... ticipant=9

People's builds were attrocious. We actually won the game, largely due to Nasus split pushing which was aided by their Support Morgana placing 14 wards in 48 minutes, all but one of which was an un upgraded trinket ward.

zoraster · Fri May 08, 2015 9:00 am

Okay. Good. Makes me feel better. It wasn't like killing him would really have helped our team goals much anyway.

zoraster · Sun May 10, 2015 2:35 am

You'd think they could write a script to identify these types of bots.

zoraster · Sun May 10, 2015 8:33 am

Also, I'm 9-2 in my past 11 games and I'm still only gaining 13 LP per win... shows just how tanked my MMR was before.

zoraster · Sun May 10, 2015 8:33 am

In post 41386, ~Jordan` wrote:so these are people running bots in order to collect IP with low effort?

I think it's actually companies that are doing it to sell people level 30 accounts.

zoraster · Sun May 10, 2015 10:22 am

Yeah I mean I didn't need it to tell me as I was demoted, but it does confirm it by telling me "Welcome to ELO Hell."

I don't buy ELO Hell, though there are certainly more times where I've felt totally helpless on this account despite performance than on my Silver one, but I do think it's pretty frustrating to essentially have to win at a 67% win rate in order to even stay EVEN in terms of LP. That said, over time this'll presumably correct itself as MMR comes closer in line with the league I'm in.... just it'll take a while.

zoraster · Sun May 10, 2015 11:01 am

I'm not complaining at all. Or rather I'm not complaining about the system. I don't actually think anything I've faced has been unfair systemically, though that hasn't made it not frustrating.

zoraster · Mon May 11, 2015 2:23 am

Yeah I agree with panzer, which is why I talk about my "alt" which is kind of awkward (also my "smurf" is higher than my "main"), but smurf to me implies that you're basically going to be able to carry consistently.

zoraster · Mon May 11, 2015 2:29 am

Have you duoed with anyone yet, Psyche to get a taste of non-newbies?

zoraster · Mon May 11, 2015 3:30 am

to be fair, you were level 10 taking on players who were level 16-24, and you didn't die a bunch or anything. Keep in mind that at level 10 you only have 13.4% of the XP that someone who is level 24 has.

Mostly I just wanted to show you that don't worry, the game isn't easy. You have plenty of challenges left in front of you.

zoraster · Mon May 11, 2015 9:07 am

yeah. i need a few rune pages to work in my Revival and experience quints into it.

zoraster · Tue May 12, 2015 2:20 am

is bard really an early level champ? I have no bearing on where he's strong.

zoraster · Tue May 12, 2015 2:23 am

What quints do you have right now? Skipping your 90th champion or whatever is probably worth the 6300 it takes to buy a set of three quints.

zoraster · Tue May 12, 2015 2:27 am

Also, I know this bucks other people's advice, but if you're using really suboptimal quints for the position, given the changes in cost, it can be worth it to buy Level 2 quints until you have the IP to buy the level 3 ones. All the level 2 quints are 100 IP and the gains from going from Level 2 to Level 3 are marginal (not unimportant, but it'd be better to play with Level 2 Armor Quints on Leona than Level 3 AD quints or something)

I think in all cases Level 2 quints are 78% as effective as their Level 3 brethren.

zoraster · Tue May 12, 2015 2:35 am

I mean that seems reasonable. It looks like you have AP and Movement Speed quints. I'd argue that you'd add a lot of versatility by adding AD or armor quints, but if you're happy then it's all good. I know you don't play much ADC, but AS quints are pretty awesome too.

zoraster · Tue May 12, 2015 9:47 am

Made it back to Bronze to Silver promo series... again. I started off the season having to do these. It was a lot more painful to get here this time since I had to go 16-4 to get here (11-13 LP for a win, 26 for a loss made it slow)

zoraster · Tue May 12, 2015 3:11 pm

I have 2 wins and 0 losses in my promos to silver, but I'm kind of tipsy. Should I go ahead and try to make silver tonight? Good idea?

zoraster · Tue May 12, 2015 3:16 pm

Sobriety test is whether you follow Panzer's advice. I am taking Panzer's advice. At least for one game.

zoraster · Tue May 12, 2015 3:53 pm

worked out pretty awesome.

zoraster · Tue May 12, 2015 3:56 pm

All in all, going from Bronze II at 75LP to Silver V took 19 wins and 5 losses.

Of course, moving up to Silver V just means that my STILL really crappy MMR is even crappier comparatively, so I'll probably get like... 10 LP a win (rather than the 13 I was getting before).

zoraster · Wed May 13, 2015 8:17 am

oh my god. My game crashed on game startup. I restarted the client to try and make it work. Now it's reinstalling the game.

zoraster · Wed May 13, 2015 3:37 pm

zoraster · Thu May 14, 2015 6:29 am

I like watching singed deal with a banner of commanded siege minion.

zoraster · Thu May 14, 2015 9:46 am

It feels REALLY good to beat an elo booster (http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=LORDCHUGZ). It was a close thing, but managed to win with no nexus turrets.

I had to go Banshee's Veil third item as ADC. I almost wish I had gone second item because every time his ult was up he targeted me.

zoraster · Thu May 14, 2015 11:47 am

for the champion mastery there appear to be two different numbers for me. One that says +1247 and then if I mouse over it, it gives me my grade and +268. Does anyone have an idea what those two numbers come from?

zoraster · Thu May 14, 2015 11:53 am

the person PLAYING was an elo booster, not the account holder. He wasn't elo boosted. He was in process of it.

zoraster · Thu May 14, 2015 12:00 pm

Presumably because the account holder was already placed. Say you place into Bronze III and you want to get Gold V. You pay some guy to play on your account until you hit Gold V.

zoraster · Thu May 14, 2015 12:04 pm

btw i don't just suspect it of that guy, I IMed him after:

[3:37] LORDCHUGZ: ?
[3:38] Zorasterful: just curious what your main account level is. i assume the voli is the main account holder
given that you swapped flash d for f
[3:38] LORDCHUGZ: lmfao
spending so much time researching me
[3:38] Zorasterful: i mean, i looked up your match history
since you're a lot better than the rest of us
[3:39] LORDCHUGZ: i gain elo. skype: teemo_breeder
bye.

But it's really obvious if you look at his match history.

zoraster · Thu May 14, 2015 12:06 pm

I did.

It's my second report this week, weirdly enough (not counting in game ones). I reported this other guy who said in champ select:

SUPER TROLL: this is the 18th game I've trolled in a role
SUPER TROLL: don't believe me? look me up
SUPER TROLL: dodge now
SUPER TROLL: or suffer

I looked him up and... yup. He's been feeding (0-32-2 Nunu was my favorite) so I dodged, but I reported him. Since Riot told me "we'll look into it but because of privacy can't tell you if we did anything" he hasn't played another game. So... vindication.

zoraster · Fri May 15, 2015 1:26 am

In post 41614, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 41607, zoraster wrote:[3:38] Zorasterful: just curious what your main account level is. i assume the voli is the main account holder
given that you swapped flash d for f

sneaky observation

It's pretty much the first thing to look at. Everyone has their preference of which key to put flash on. Admittedly, there's a 50% chance that even if they are using someone else's account they'll have the same preference.

That said, I used to put flash on F, but after the bajillionth accidental flash from trying to ping, I moved it to D.

zoraster · Sat May 16, 2015 8:25 am

has TF supp always been a thing? this is my second game in as many days with a TF support.

zoraster · Sat May 16, 2015 9:05 am

it was atrocious. it's like a worse taric because his stun is obviously coming.

zoraster · Sat May 16, 2015 4:28 pm

In post 41675, animorpherv1 wrote:I'm so fucking sick of losing every match and not being able to do anything about it. I just feel like I've gotten worse. I don't even know what to do anymore.

Man. You have had a rough time lately. Fortunately it hasn't been ranked?

Also, stop playing with JDamage. You've played 12 times with him and lost every single time.

zoraster · Sat May 16, 2015 4:32 pm

I really suggest playing the free champs exclusively. If there's a free champ you loved and was 450, buy it. Otherwise, save your IP for runes. Wait until you're near 30 to spend IP or RP on a champion you're sure you're going to like.

zoraster · Sun May 17, 2015 5:46 am

I have no idea what the first paragraph means.

But as to the second, you're the one who came into the thread bemoaning your losses, which is fair. But I don't think it's unreasonable to point out that maybe playing a bunch with a Diamond guy who you have a 0-12 record playing with has something to do with it.

zoraster · Sun May 17, 2015 5:56 am

Oh. That's pretty high up there on "petty things to care about."

zoraster · Sun May 17, 2015 6:01 am

If you want to do the ADC thing, grab Ashe and Sivir. Both are pretty strong and only 450 IP. If you're spending RP, I'd suggest Lucian or Graves. Having an escape built into your ADC kit is pretty awesome. Don't spend more than 450 IP on a champion until you've filled at least your primary role's rune page.

zoraster · Sun May 17, 2015 8:23 am

In post 41713, DeathRowKitty wrote:
In post 41708, Oman wrote:So, I agree with this 800% when you're learning. Don't learn on Kog, learn with an escape.
/disagree

Learn ADC on a champion on which you need to care more about your positioning. It's much better to learn to position well early on and then later supplement it with escape skills than it is to learn to rely on escape skills early on and then trying to shed bad habits later.

i disagree with this is more effective than the reverse as tempting as the "bad habit" line is. Anyway, adcs with escapes are pretty prevalent: Lucian, graves, Corki, Tristana, Caitlyn all have escapes. Learning to play with escapes is still learning to play and positioning with escapes should be different than without.

zoraster · Mon May 18, 2015 2:10 am

you're level 13. You've barely started playing. Don't worry too much about what champions you learn to start as long as you're having fun.

zoraster · Mon May 18, 2015 4:34 am

I used almost exclusively Graves and Leona to get out. Not sure it matters. Focusing too much on solo-style carry champions if you're not naturally a carry-type player is probably a mistake.

zoraster · Mon May 18, 2015 10:51 am

so I dodge games a fair amount, mostly for when people start off in a really bad mood or say they're going to troll or whatever. I never dodge twice in the same 16 hour period, but still... it occurs to me that dodging is REALLY uneven in terms of when you can do it. I had 98 LP. A guy says he's going to troll when gragas wasn't banned. There is literally no reason for me not to dodge the game because it'll only take me down to 95. Even if it were the SECOND game I was dodging, it's probably worth it because my LP gains are more than 11 a game.

But compare that to other times like promos where there's literally no ability to dodge, and in those situations I'm left hoping someone else does the honorable thing.

zoraster · Mon May 18, 2015 1:16 pm

Iecrint: joins a premade game. Sees a name he doesn't know. Asks who it is, IMMEDIATELY leaves, then queues up elsewhere.

zoraster · Mon May 18, 2015 2:02 pm

good lord no. I was destroyed by fiora as morgana.

zoraster · Mon May 18, 2015 2:02 pm

iec plays a lot of bot games.

zoraster · Mon May 18, 2015 2:33 pm

In post 41811, Iecerint wrote:
In post 41807, zoraster wrote:iec plays a lot of bot games.

I play exactly 1 bot game every 22 hours.

Just what a robot would do.

zoraster · Tue May 19, 2015 2:29 am

for what it's worth, team builder will automatically adjust your normal MMR a bit to take into account roles and champions you haven't played much before. Also, it tends to get a ton of people who are trying new things.

zoraster · Tue May 19, 2015 4:42 am

jax is a good champion to get good at.

zoraster · Tue May 19, 2015 5:18 am

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends. ... /228737996

zoraster · Tue May 19, 2015 5:20 am

Don't most jax's build a damage item? or am I crazy? I have no idea how you get 16 kills without any damage whatsoever.

zoraster · Tue May 19, 2015 5:27 am

zoraster · Tue May 19, 2015 1:35 pm

that's not what that report shows.

zoraster · Wed May 20, 2015 1:18 pm

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/g ... ds-testing

actually getting to know when my reports are acted on is nice.

zoraster · Wed May 20, 2015 3:20 pm

LCS Fantasy Sign Ups Are Open

zoraster · Wed May 20, 2015 5:36 pm

In post 41872, FakeGod wrote:Undoubtedly worse.

I can't speak to Season 2, but I have to say, this is not at all my experience. I started in Season 3 and left for a year or so and came back. While there's still toxicity, it's way better than when I first started.

zoraster · Wed May 20, 2015 5:49 pm

A guy flamed me the other day after the game for not building BOTRK on Jinx. Not that building one is ridiculous, but caring that I built a BT over a BOTRK enough to yell at me after the game for it was weird.

zoraster · Thu May 21, 2015 2:28 am

I used to have that beanie baby.

zoraster · Sun May 24, 2015 1:37 am

sona building it in a double adc comp seems like it'd work well, but for ardent censer to be most useful the shielded player has to use AAs and probably needs to be not a melee because sona isn't going to want to get that close and her aura is not huge. The new one coming out with the magic damage probably is more widely useful since I assume that applies to bruiser abilities too.

zoraster · Tue May 26, 2015 9:47 am

If you make Gold before July 1st, I'll gift you the teemo skin of your choice, Psyche.

zoraster · Tue May 26, 2015 9:54 am

sure. you'll need to make 30 pretty quickly though. you can easily get placed into mid-silver through placements if you do well.

zoraster · Tue May 26, 2015 10:45 am

congratulations! that's actually a match report worth posting

zoraster · Thu May 28, 2015 4:10 am

When playing your disfavored role, staying even in lane and hoping for the best from your team is a pretty solid strategy.

zoraster · Thu May 28, 2015 11:00 am

i think they're positive changes. +20 MS is more useful to start with, while losing some power later. Theoretically it might make it worthwhile to get boots other than mobies, but I kind of doubt it. The bandit improvement is a pretty huge deal for champions like Leona and way overdue. The switch of the mana utility thing seems fine, though i'm not sure the purpose.

The movement speed thing is kind of a stealth nerf on Janna I guess?

zoraster · Thu May 28, 2015 11:09 am

Sona movement:
Base: 325+20=355 (new) vs. 325+16=341 (old)
Boots 1: 325+25+20=380 vs. 325+25+17.5= 368
Merc Treads: 325+45+20=390 vs. 325+45+18.5= 389
Mobi Boots (active): 325+105+20= 450 (turns into 443) vs. 325+105+21.5= 452 (turns into 445)

So it's a pretty significant early game boost for utility tree champions and only a minor nerf with mobis.

I was wrong btw. Janna actually benefits from this because hers is a % movement bonus, which is multiplied to the +20 MS, but wasn't multiplied to the % movement bonus before. So a very slight buff to Janna

zoraster · Sat May 30, 2015 12:10 pm

In post 39873, zoraster wrote:So this happened.

After seeing the scripting stuff on reddit, this is probably a guy scripting.

zoraster · Sat May 30, 2015 12:35 pm

it's not the doing it. It's the doing it seemingly at random and it hitting nearly simultaneously with arrival at the fountain.

zoraster · Sat May 30, 2015 12:39 pm

compare:

https://youtu.be/hytffYdrBnM?t=10m51s

(start around 10:50 if it doesn't do it automatically)

zoraster · Sat May 30, 2015 1:18 pm

I'm not really casting it or anything, but here's FakeGod's final game: http://www.twitch.tv/bronze2silver he's doing well, but it's close.

zoraster · Sat May 30, 2015 1:27 pm

i'm pretty sure i jinxed him. game is pretty much over.

zoraster · Sat May 30, 2015 1:40 pm

i take it back. congratulations, fakegod.

zoraster · Sat May 30, 2015 1:44 pm

so interesting to build BC on lucian.

zoraster · Sun May 31, 2015 2:25 am

give it a few weeks

zoraster · Sun May 31, 2015 2:53 am

In post 42163, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:Because a lot of games where one team has him the other team also has him lol.

usually the stats are for ranked games.

The bigger issue is that the vast, vast majority of Ekko players in the ranked stats have played him only a few times. Only 3% of people have played him more than 5 times, but of that 3%, they're winning in the 60% range (at least for mid Ekko). http://champion.gg/champion/Ekko

zoraster · Sun May 31, 2015 5:20 am

"of that 3%, they're winning in the 60% range"

zoraster · Sun May 31, 2015 7:50 am

my first ranked game in over a week I had to win playing with my sona masteries on graves. On the minus side, I missed that damage, attack speed, etc. On the plus side, I've never been a faster graves.

zoraster · Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:43 am

oh. so you're that jerk.

zoraster · Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:28 am

I know some people hate caitlyn or find her boring, but glad to see a couple changes possibly coming down the pipeline: https://twitter.com/ricklessabandon/sta ... 7623829504

zoraster · Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:22 am

http://champion.gg/champion/Caitlyn/ADC if you look at the win % by game length you can see she peaks fairly early in the game. The issue for solo queue is that she's essentially reduced to just using autoattacks and pretty much nothing else.

Her range makes up for a lot of that (it's a GOOD autoattack), but might as well have jinx or tristana late game for that.

zoraster · Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:06 am

Just made Silver I on my alt. Let's see if I end up with a full Tier of difference between my main account (Silver V) and my alt.

zoraster · Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:16 am

OH HELLOOOOOOO WAHAHAHAHA

zoraster · Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:33 am

agreed! I think it'll take some getting used to at first, but it looks very solid to me.

zoraster · Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:35 am

having countdown timers for respawn visible without hitting tab is pretty awesome too.

zoraster · Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:49 am

you could already rearrange if you were spectating.

zoraster · Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:21 am

That happened to me the first time I leveled up an account in the 20s. It takes a long time to get through those levels.

zoraster · Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:47 am

His win rate at plat+ has improved by like 11% but that put him at a 51% win rate so not world beating

zoraster · Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:54 am

zoraster · Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:38 am

In post 42260, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 42258, zoraster wrote:why?

Because people see "[X] champion went up in winrate by a lot! They MUST be op" and don't even bother to think about context, but blind pick that champion into any matchup for their first time and feed with it.

but... isn't that a reason you'd want your opponent to play it?

zoraster · Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:50 am

there are so many ways for teammates to be idiots, almost none revolve around having a particular champion

zoraster · Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:16 am

yeah. i think banning a new champion makes sense.

zoraster · Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:36 am

Hell is 99 LP heh. kind of wish the win would just have given me one less LP

zoraster · Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:08 am

myko's soraka build path in a game we just played:

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends. ... ticipant=5

zoraster · Sun Jun 07, 2015 8:28 am

i've started to buy Ardent Censer after boots and sightstone. Mistake? I like it because I can still grab a mana item first, and I feel like it's really powerful with sona. It's also more powerful the earlier you get it (since the damage falls off as a % of health later in the game)

zoraster · Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:07 am

one of the attractions to sona is her ability to bully in lane, so it's hard to justify going coin instead of spellthief to start.

Mikeal's is the natural other item here, but I've found my reaction time to be fairly slow in team fights when CC is applied (I very much prefer the preemptive black shielding of morgana).

zoraster · Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:50 am

is there a way to differentiate between having grevious wounds on you (e.g. morello's) and having ignite on you?

zoraster · Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:55 am

Has everything except a dash

zoraster · Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:43 am

I left my first game yesterday :-/ It was ranked too, and I was a fairly fed Jinx in a game that was 15-11. But my internet went out (and has yet to return!). I'm considering trying to buy the guys from that game skins to apologize, but I'm not sure if that's appropriate.

zoraster · Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:21 am

No lol for a while I'm afraid: no internet till Monday

zoraster · Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:42 pm

awesome. That Jax game though

zoraster · Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:25 am

Getting mad about the price of a purely optional skin that is only aesthetic...

zoraster · Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:39 am

So I ended up buying mystery skins for the two guys who accepted my friend request. Spirit Udyr for one.

zoraster · Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:55 am

Yeah? You get a randy ins and get 3 Mr? Hooray

zoraster · Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:22 pm

I'm up to play ranked 5s Monday-Wednesday. Much less availability weekends.

zoraster · Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:35 am

I don't think so. You get a power spike with runeglaive a lot earlier. For most champions, you'll still want to start machete, and you probably want your jungle item (for chilling smite or whatever). So beyond what you have already, that's 1400 gold you need to finish your item and start whopping people with your spellblade procs. Compare that to Lich bane where beyond the jungle item you need

3000

gold, and it's pretty obvious which gets you to a power spike first. Plus, early on that 6% missing mana part is going to be pretty nice.

That said, who really used lich bane? Diana and Ekko? Maybe Kayle? It's possible this will make these champions more acceptable meta picks, but most AP champions rarely want to use their auto attacks. Maybe there'll be some attempts at playing more unusual mages in the jungle like akali?

zoraster · Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:50 am

fiddle

zoraster · Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:59 am

er why? fiddle doesn't want to spend much time Autoattacking

zoraster · Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:19 am

yeah, right now fiddles are going magus: http://champion.gg/champion/FiddleSticks

zoraster · Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:59 am

this patch actually changed win rates a lot more than I would have expected.

zoraster · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:58 am

i can't stand that chat rooms feel the need to make a sound every message and there's no way to turn that off without turning off all sounds.

zoraster · Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:33 am

Doesn't that push toward the cap for attack speed when the active is enabled, particularly if you use Attack speed runes+frenzy+fury?

zoraster · Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:39 pm

I have qualified for my promos to Gold!

Ardent Censer Sona has carried me through Silver I * pretty much. I only bought her on this account starting with Silver I, and have a 78% win rate and a 5.8 KDA with her over 18 games.

*I now notice that my league is titled Sona's Commandos so it's particularly appropriate.

zoraster · Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:25 pm

In post 42572, FakeGod wrote:I saw ardent karma the other day

basically she wrecked repeatedly without mercy

is this a thing now

lemonnation did it in their win.

zoraster · Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:10 am

I'm 2-2 in my gold promos, so the next one will decide it for better or worse.

zoraster · Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:00 am

KCdaspot was the correct one. Lost in a blow out. 3/5 players went: 1/8, 2/8, 2/9.

So frustrating to lose in best of 5s because it means needing to win at least once more plus 3 more times.

zoraster · Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:18 pm

It wasn't even that bad, really. I get most stressed when it's a relatively close game that I feel like I can do something about. But this was just one of those games where it's clear there's nothing you can do, which took some sting out of the loss.

zoraster · Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:24 am

screen shots or it didn't happen

zoraster · Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:31 am

and teemo will like the landry's + nashor's changes. 30 extra AP for 180 more gold? the lowering of attack speed seems like a minor concern compared to that.

zoraster · Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:49 am

i can't even find the game on op.gg

zoraster · Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:22 am

Uh So River Tam? Like from Firefly?

zoraster · Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:46 am

I find it hard to carry with support with my silvers iv account but I actually find I make a huge difference at silver I/gold v mmr

zoraster · Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:44 am

In post 42721, hiplop wrote:lesson learned today: I'm not smart enough to play vayne

are you sure you aren't too smart to play vayne?

zoraster · Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:02 am

8 out of the last 9 champions have had slows in their kits (only rek'sai does not). It's interesting that Riot has leaned so heavily on slows, but it makes sense.

zoraster · Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:11 am

Not according to the wiki. To be clear, slows were always kind of popular.

But Tahm, Bard, Kalista, Azir, Gnar, Braum and Vel'koz all have slows. That's every champion but rek'sai since December 2013.

zoraster · Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:35 am

Ekko is cool in the awesome individual playmaking, highlight real kind of thing. I think Tahm is arguably more interesting from a "unique aspect he brings to a game" kind of thing. It'll be interesting to see if people in solo queue really use him to do surprise ganks and what not, but I'd be really surprised if pros don't pull off some interesting stuff.

zoraster · Sat Jun 27, 2015 3:52 am

I haven't played in a week. Should my first game be ranked? Sounds like a good idea, right?

zoraster · Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:19 am

I just had the first game i've ever played in ranked where the other team says to push mid, they're all 5 afk... and then they were. 13 minute game. Back into Gold promos, though kind of silly.

We got up 5 kills to 0 and then aced them (making it 10-0), so it was pretty much over anyway, but...

zoraster · Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:28 am

her turret destruction and pushing power is extremely high.