League of Legends (Old)

PJ. · Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:07 pm

Malzahar is my favorite mid laner...

PJ. · Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:08 am

theelkspeaks wrote:Been having a little trouble with new Ashe, seems I just don't do enough damage, anyone have advice on her?

She just got nerfed so she doesn't get frost stacks as fast and it was a much bigger nerf than anticipated I think. If you're gonna shread, you gotta wait til you 5 stack and then hit em with the bees.

Maestro wrote:
In post 42873, PJ. wrote:Malzahar is my favorite mid laner...

This. Am I right in maxing E first and rushing RoA or is there a better way
on the path to spreading space AIDS like a Voidling God among men?

That's basically it, you can go qeeqerew if you want. He's pretty straight forward and non-contact with a solid gank at 6. I find him best against the assassins that normal mages don't want to play against. So if you wanted to be a "traditional" mid laner, I'd say that a rotation of Ahri, Malzahar, and Lux is a good rotation. Diana if you absolutely need a real assassin (drop Ahri). I have prejudice against AD mid laners because I think it jacks up the team comp because AP top laners seem rare but if it's a thing that you absolutely must plague the league community with, talon is the guy. You can replace the AP all-in guy or just add him with the other 3.

PJ. · Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:22 am

It normalized from yesterday. Also brand went up 4% from when I post that. With Zilean going down almost 5%.

PJ. · Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:55 am

Dude, seriously...I'll send you a mouse...

Only one person i know can even effectively use a track pad. Rayfrost. And I almost guaranteed he'd be a tier or 2 higher if he used a mouse.

PJ. · Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:56 pm

Rayfrost is plat and a trackpad guy. He also has ping issues, cause Japan... he's a savant

PJ. · Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:34 pm

PJ. · Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:34 am

In post 42953, Papa Zito wrote:The best thing about playing on LAN is when people rage at you, you have no idea wtf they're saying. You just go "arriba" at them and move on with your day.

BIENVENIDOS INVOCADORES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PJ. · Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:20 am

why does ryze get to do more damage at every stage of the game then every other champ, still? This guy died 8 times in lane and was still a serious threat at all stages. That just is not fair

PJ. · Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:16 am

Fun Fact: Austrailians were WAAAAY worse than the Brazilians and waaaaay more rude.

PJ. · Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:17 am

Austrailia might actually be the worse region of league players.

PJ. · Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:43 am

I'm convinced that Australians only know 2 words.

PJ. · Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:28 am

Yes, in essence the game is FTP but there's definitely pay to win aspects which is kinda unacceptable. It takes A LOT of IP to buy tier 3 runes and extra rune pages. Plus you need champions and champions are much more fun to buy than runes but less necessary. For newer players wanting to jump into ranked, it's honestly too much, when you hit 30 you probably only have 2 basic pages and a quarter of the champs. Add to that power creep where the 6300s and 4800s just simply have stronger mechanics than most of the cheap 450s and 1350s; plus you have the constant updates that change what is and isnt strong, and there you have an argument that league isn't much different from the "freemium" pay to win mobile games like Puzzles and Dragons. Sure, that doesn't affect players that are willing/already have put in the extreme amount hours to unlock significant portions of content for free, but it is A LOT of hours. Like I think it took me 2 years of basically only playing league to unlock every champ and I definitely bought some. No bundles but just a handful of 1 offs.

Look at DotA as a quick easy comparison. Honestly if I was starting MOBAs today there's a 0 percent chance I pick league of legends up. I would 100% pick up DotA 2 simply because you're ready to play out of box, not hundreds of hours down the road.

PJ. · Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:29 am

Maybe you didn't get the pool points on your main? You seem not to play it so...

You can Def link multiple accounts to one FB.

PJ. · Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:25 am

zoraster wrote:I mean people choose to spend money. It's a pretty easy game not to spend money on. You just need 16 champions to play ranked and some runes. That doesn't take THAT long to do.

There are 12 450 champs, then add 4 1350 champs and that's 10,800 IP -- easily less than what you make leveling to 30. You can easily compete in ranked with level 2 runes, which are super super cheap. Setting up two pages (AP and AD) rune pages of Level 2 runes costs about 2500 IP. So to play in ranked you need to have about 13,300 IP -- which is about what it costs to buy two recent champs. It is definitely not prohibitive. If you want level 3 runes, things are more expensive but still easily achievable.

The thing that makes people spend money (other than wanting pretty skins) is wanting to play newer champions, which is fine, but it's also totally unnecessary.

450 Champ rundown:
Top: Ryze, Garen, Kayle, Poppy, Warwick
Jungle: Warwick, Nunu, Yi, Amumu
Mid: Annie, Ryze, Kayle
ADC: Ashe, Sivir
Support: Soraka, Annie

Add in 4 1350 Champs of your choice but for example: Janna, Cho'Gath, Morgana, Tristana

This is a totally playable ranked roster. ADCs have two of the very best ADCs in the game. Annie is almost a criminally underestimated mid-laner. Janna is consistently in all metas a top tier support. Morgana gives huge flexibility. Jungle gives you Nunu and Amumu which are two great junglers.

Tier two runes are not competitively viable and also are terribly cost ineffective. Also having a 3rd page for jungling/top laning is probably what you'd want. Bare minimum cost for 2 basic rune pages is 15,375. With your suggested line up you have 2 champs catching 30% plus ban rates, and 2 champs that are bottom tier in all their roles. So in a 3rd of your games your viable champ rotation is gonna look like

Top: Garen
Jungle: Nunu Warwick Amumu
Mid: annie, morg,
ADC: Ashe, Sivir
Support: Janna morgana soraka.

Looks not good. That's before factoring in some high play rates among those as well.

PJ. · Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:55 am

Did they lower the cost of the tier 2 runes? When I first started out the logic was definitely never buy tier 2s under any circumstances.

Edit: ban rate not win rate, my b. Poppy and Kayle are bottom tier in both roles.

PJ. · Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:04 am

I rescind what I said about Tier 2 runes not being cost effective because I didn't know about the 5.1 rune changes. I still feel they aren't viable especially when you are already at a skill deficit.

Kayle just straight not good wazza

PJ. · Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:10 am

The normalizing and price dropping of t1 and t2 runes was in january. Patch 5.1. Google it when zoraster's math seemed weirdly low from what the conventional wisdom was 4 or 5 years ago.

PJ. · Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:25 am

The argument isn't whether or not the game is free. It is free. The argument is whether a new player has a large advantage spending money over other new players who don't spend money. I think it's a definitive yes. The noob with more champion options and better runes has a competitive advantage over the not spending money noob. But the guy playing for free can close the gap by playing more.

Diana is really good.

PJ. · Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:30 am

And in general with constant patches, the ability to just throw down 5 dollars and learn a champ instead of power grinding to make sure you have enough ip to buy the FotM guy and the new champ is kind of a bad choice to have players make.

DotA having every character available from day 1 is just more palatable to brand new players.

PJ. · Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:17 am

In post 43052, hiplop wrote:Eh, as someone who has repeatably tried to get into DotA, it is hard! Way too many options of characters. I preferred early league where I honestly thought there were only like 7 characters. Allowed me to slowly try everyone out basically

I started playing back in the days of a new champion coming out every other week. And there was always a pile of guys that nobody knew what they did. Like all chat would literally be like "who is this red guy? Is he magic? What does he do?" And was like that pretty much every game. It would be a bunch of cheapy guys like soraka and ashe and nunu, with one guy playing Vlad or jarvan that had been out a few months and nobody ever saw and whoever the new guy was.

PJ. · Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:41 pm

In post 43069, Klazam wrote:Question- how do you abuse bushes?

Pretend you are rengar

PJ. · Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:41 pm

I can only show you, I can't explain it.

PJ. · Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:41 pm

Accept my invite if you're on right now

PJ. · Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:21 am

Bobsled corki. Aka a skin I will never use.

PJ. · Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:54 am

I already had 2 corki skins though. Red Baron and the Chinese one.

PJ. · Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:36 am

It's legendary too? I think that makes 2 and a 1350 then

PJ. · Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:36 am

I don't think heimer counters exist.

PJ. · Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:04 am

Being outside turret range or being able to farm through them isn't really a counter, it's an even lane.

Syndra, malz and nunu make sense.

PJ. · Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:46 am

fiora

PJ. · Sat Jul 04, 2015 2:13 pm

Yo, i'm with you. I think wu has been top tier for a while I just don't play him
cause irelia

PJ. · Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:02 am

Please don't use Spook as a noun.

PJ. · Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:49 am

1) I agree with animorph

2)wards and being aware of threat level. 4 mia, don't go to drag alone and don't farm past where it's safe.

3a) you're missing two roles. Your junglers are relatively high ban priority. Annie is a mostly not good support.

3b) definitely but idk why you'd want to.

4)split push, efficient trades. Farm heavy. Use bush games against tough lanes.

Edit: dan bitz is alive? Tell that faggot to get on before God damn 1 am.

PJ. · Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:39 am

Zoraster touched on something I think is mega important, at least to retards like me in mid elo and below. Support tank isn't a tank. The tank needs to be a solo laner or a jungler. And also to all the asshole AD mid players out there. Your tank is not your AP damage. So pick an AP assassin. You shits.

PJ. · Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:29 am

I agree with myko.

On tank supports, what myko described is my deficiency with Blitz. If we are ahead, I'm a golden god, if we are behind, I'm just pulling a guy that's gonna kill my whole team on top of us.

PJ. · Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:16 pm

No. As a player, 80% of the game is out of your hands already. They should at least give you full control of your 20%. You already have enough randomness in that the 4 idiots you got queued with can't spell laning, let alone actually do it

PJ. · Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:41 pm

Teleport should be removed from the game

PJ. · Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:12 pm

Bad for the game. It is a crutch for bad players. If i kill you early, I shouldn't have to make a decision between putting myself behind by backing while my lane pushes(eating my xp and money) and pushing lane, knowing my opponent has TP and risking being killed just to keep the lead I built up by being a better player. I shouldn't have to force a player out of lane more than once every 3 minutes or whatever just to get an advantage from winning trades consistently(meaning I have to pack enough sustain to take down and opponent who gets to fill up AND buy while not losing anything). Taking TP is a non-choice if your opponent has TP because if he has it, you HAVE to take it and that's bad for player choice. Teleport is basically the worst thing in league of legends. It's the league equivalent of the help defense charge in basketball. Get that shit out of here. Or put it on a 7 minute cooldown.

PJ. · Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:39 pm

Yeah sure, if you're already losing your lane, then yeah your opponent is gonna use TP to help beat your teammates or just split push/whatever. I don't lose my lane though, so sorry

PJ. · Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:42 pm

HAHAHAHA i'm a way better top laner than you. unfortunately. I might even be the best top laner in this thread. Seriously though, you're a support main, don't ever talk to me, you fucking scrub

PJ. · Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:55 pm

Ani is a support main and a scrub. Please don't tell me not to play my main role. Kthx. Also teleport is still for bad players. Please remove

PJ. · Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:02 pm

The reason is because I played 20 games and stopped lol. You have more than 200 more ranked games than I do this season. Last season I was Gold 2. I could probably get plat. I just really really don't care. I work 50 hour weeks and go to the gym and am sadly an adult. I'm probably losing my job due to extenuating circumstances at the end of the month though, so i might just milk unemployment for a month and get plat.

PJ. · Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:08 pm

I never run TP. I literally never ever encounter anyone that uses TP for anything other than coming back into lane after I kill them 3 minutes into the game/force them out. So I guess those options are false. Teleport = bad for league.

PJ. · Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:12 pm

@TBM: That's almost certainly true.

@Klazam: Also no, you should be be just smashing down the inhib while the other guy TPs into fights that he doesn't make a difference in because he's behind.

PJ. · Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:22 pm

I love when my opponent goes TPs to another lane, because I get to get stronger for free and probably take a tower(and if the jungle comes like buttons says, I probably get a kill). As long as the worst case scenario of him picking up a double or triple doesn't happen, I literally could care less about what he's doing with TP if he's not coming back.

TP is a largely versatile spell, and yeah there are "better" ways to use it, but the most annoying to me is when a bad player uses it to keep me from getting ahead after killing him.

and you guys act like you can't stop a guy from TPing. Or see exactly where the guy is TPing to and ping it to warn your teammates.

PJ. · Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:33 pm

In post 43307, Iecerint wrote:It's often harder to get kills in toplane against tanks, but trivial to get a double kill depending upon the support if you teleport bot.

I disagree with this. I'd rather lane against a tank then a not tank. Literally 100 times out of 100. Darius beats basically every tank.

PJ. · Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:47 pm

He's mindlessly TPing back into lane, by all accounts that's not what the spell is for. It's awful because the guy who got killed or forced out actually doesn't lose anything. And that's annoying. Sometimes it can even pit him up and that is bullshit. Simply by having TP you have the ability to win a lane by losing it, which opens up everything guys are saying about 4v2 and w/e. Take TP out of the game. It's anti player choice and anti player skill. Or at least nerf it back to where it was.

PJ. · Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:52 pm

Yeah, if you can't hard beat your lane opponent you are a scrub and deserve to lose. You don't deserve to make an impact. Season 2 snowball top meta was the best. Now too much bitchassness in top lane. I mostly play ADC because it.

PJ. · Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:54 pm

No. You don't deserve to. Because you suck. Just fucking lose.

Top lane should be about bushido, not teleport faggotry.

PJ. · Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:01 am

BROseidon wrote:The funny part about this conversation is that there are multiple ways in which one can win because league is a strategically complex game with multiple viable strategies.

And I'm allowed to say I hate that, right? You all can say I'm wrong, that's fine, but I hate teleport. To me it makes the game less fun and way more forgiving. I think the majority of the time people are using simply to stay afloat in a lane they are getting killed in. I think that shouldn't be allowed. That punishes skill. I thought that was something that shouldn't happen. It's a super versatile spell that lets bad laners stay in the game. Long live flash punch ignite.

PJ. · Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:08 am

In post 43326, Oman wrote:
In post 43324, BROseidon wrote:The funny part about this conversation is that there are multiple ways in which one can win because league is a strategically complex game with multiple viable strategies.

People with panzer's theories are the people who feel like they always carry games and if tehy don't it's someone else's fault.

I'll ftfy because I'm totally all-in on being a sociopath around here.

"People with panzer's theories are the people who think they always carry games and believe that no one on the team can/will"

I know it's my fault if don't carry, but I play every single game with the mentality that if I don't do it alone it's a lost game because there are 9 idiots in this game and I need to make sure I can beat their idiot that got fed. Is that rude? Yes. Is it wrong? Maybe. Does it work? 50% of the time just like every other semi-viable strategy.. Am I the best? No, but I try really fucking hard to be at least in my small section of the league world.

PJ. · Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:51 am

Oman wrote:I just think that 5 people on one team playing with that strategy is leading to A) a loss, and B) some toxic chat.

I'm only skype rude because im a poor typist and my teammates are probably worthless anyway. And I have a 60% winrate.

Iecerint wrote:You could try fighting games maybe.

I'm bummed I can't go to EVO this year. My MvC3 game is tight. Haven't spent enough time with MKX. I never fully polished my SF game.

PJ. · Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:54 am

I have started to like Tekken's character roster less and for the past 3 iterations or more.

PJ. · Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:41 am

I hate all of those people except eddy and steve

And yeah FakeGod basically has it 100% right. Get a flask and TP freeze lane wait for jungler. That's lame, skilless, and boring. But it's the right play. And I don't like that.

Kayle' build is probably devoured nashor zephyr wits void staff

PJ. · Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:14 am

I just straight dislike the aesthetic and goofy fight style of most of the recent additions. Zafina (contortionist kickboxing), alina the cyborg, Leo the reverse trap, Lars the bastard, Rufus adjace[bob], Blade adjace [raven], and Heihachi's fucking dad are the lowlights of the last two main releases.

PJ. · Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:23 am

In post 43352, BROseidon wrote:
In post 43327, PJ. wrote:
BROseidon wrote:The funny part about this conversation is that there are multiple ways in which one can win because league is a strategically complex game with multiple viable strategies.

And I'm allowed to say I hate that, right? You all can say I'm wrong, that's fine, but I hate teleport. To me it makes the game less fun and way more forgiving. I think the majority of the time people are using simply to stay afloat in a lane they are getting killed in. I think that shouldn't be allowed. That punishes skill. I thought that was something that shouldn't happen. It's a super versatile spell that lets bad laners stay in the game. Long live flash punch ignite.

The reason that you hate it is that you define skill differently from the riot designers and hate that they force you have knowledge of the game past 10 minutes.

It's not that I don't have the knowledge, I just think it's fucking boring. I hate how long games go now. I kinda hate league most of the time because it's too much dick sucking your team to do the right thing and not enough snowball smashing fools that get in your way when you did your job and got fed.

PJ. · Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:40 am

Since season 2? Def not true. It's gone from 25 to 35.

PJ. · Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:58 am

mmmm, where are you getting that number? Almost positive I never played long games back then. Like hardly ever. And they made a pile of changes that directly increased game length season 4 and 5. Some of which they reverted.

PJ. · Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:48 am

Why is every game I'm in 45 minutes of herding cats then?

PJ. · Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:01 pm

What is tahm kench

PJ. · Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:02 am

Olaf' sorcerers round 2.

PJ. · Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:01 am

It's not so much that he's maining FotM champs it's that they are making changes to items and giving a pile of champs radically different power levels. This Sated devourer thing is nuts along with all the AP changes have completely overhauled the game to where playing ranked right now is crazy.

PJ. · Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:22 pm

In post 43421, Saki wrote:
In post 43418, PJ. wrote:It's not so much that he's maining FotM champs it's that they are making changes to items and giving a pile of champs radically different power levels. This Sated devourer thing is nuts along with all the AP changes have completely overhauled the game to where playing ranked right now is crazy.

um, ok, then following an FotM playstyle/buildpath?
giving champions "radically different power levels" won't mean shit if you don't play a champion that was nerfed really hard by the changes
it won't even take a quarter of the game to adjust to the different power spikes/levels of said champions

i honestly dont see the big deal?

Okay, I play ADC and top. ADC in general just got worse with all these AP item changes. Top lane bruisers are now being outdamaged by the on hit jungler's like Shyv and Udyr because those guys get to be tanky as hell(shyv gets a pile of free stats) and do a ton of damage because of devourer. Last patch they had the big runeglaive change that introduced AP jungle but it also gave us that broken Runeglaive+ Luden's shit. That effected everyone that couldn't use it directly because they had to be able to handle that. It was a lot of burst for an ADC to handle and the only way to really do it was "don't get hit". When the FOTM changes, the other champs also change because they have to be able to deal with what's the new OP. Another big thing, is let's say you are an Amumu only guy, well guess what? People are ONLY playing people that can counter jungle the fuck out of you, better bring a mid lane duo. It's not a big deal when it's like "Hey guys, Ryze just jumped up 15% in win rate and everyone in high ELO is playing him or banning him, get him out of your games" this is like "hey guys, on hit junglers are OP right now and AP in general just got buffed." Those two things are super different.

PJ. · Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:04 am

"ez is a late game carry"

Man gold players are so fucking stupid. I need to get out of gold.

We can stop banning Ezreal now that runeglaive and luden's don't stack. He's back to being a pile of shit.

PJ. · Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:58 am

this guy was not mid ez. he was ADC Ez. ADC Ez is NOT a late game carry. Also, Mid ez win rate isn't shown well because he really picked up steam right before it was nerfed. He's not OP. I promise.

PJ. · Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:40 am

In post 43429, zoraster wrote:Yeah, I don't think that much of ADC ez, but you can't really decide to ban mid Ez and not ADC ez.

But it shows it broken down by patch.

I'm not saying mid ez is necessarily OP, just that he's worthy of a ban.

I know, I'm saying that it's deceptive. His win rate and play rate jumped too late in the patch to really show accurate information.

PJ. · Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:41 am

In post 43435, Iecerint wrote:
In post 43432, animorpherv1 wrote:Also, the reason mid ez is good with runeglaive is it makes q magic damage. Proccing luden's was a side benefit.

Yeah.

They're removing that next patch, though, so he will truly be crap next patch.

Removing his ability to proc runeglaive with Q? How? AAs only?

PJ. · Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:34 am

In post 43445, zoraster wrote:
In post 43443, Psyche wrote:which champion should i get if i want to impress the ladies

My wife loves Gnar.

This. Gnar is definitely the lady killer. Shubbanuffa.

@wazza: Magus also sucked.

PJ. · Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:50 am

In post 43450, Psyche wrote:but gnar's winrate is so low!

It's about halfway.

PJ. · Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:10 am

They aren't throwing on purpose. Big advice post that a lot of people will argue about coming in a few.

PJ. · Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:58 pm

Warwick is pick or ban. That is all.

PJ. · Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:56 pm

In post 43514, animorpherv1 wrote:If we're going to start discussing devourer junglers, I need say one thing.

Rylai's Kayle. No one can duel her because no one can CATCH her, thank to consistent 40% slows (thanks to her E, which procs it on her autos) which allows for easy kiting. And if you do catch her, she ults herself and you just lose. Warwick's ult can be stopped, and he's squishy because every warwick player ever builds full damage for some reason.

Because that build guarantees anyone who is. Caught by wick is dead. Red smite + R kills basically anyone. Also with a Banshee's it's hard to get him off someone he pins.

PJ. · Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:25 am

More warwick less koc

PJ. · Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:26 am

I agree

PJ. · Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:23 am

Red devourer, mobis, bork, wits. I go triforce on top of that. With a banshees

PJ. · Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:32 am

Yeah randuins is smarter than triforce but t force is the ultimate cheese.

PJ. · Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:17 am

I agree. Randuins is a way better choice. T force really kicks the damage up though and I like it.

PJ. · Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:50 am

It gives you too much other stuff. The sheen is nice but not necessary, the phage speed is really great, health makes up for the lacking resistances of other non-defense options, and more attack speed is good. It's just a good item.

PJ. · Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:19 am

In post 43542, mykonian wrote:Call me oldfashioned, and take into consideration that I haven't had access to lol with the new devourer, but Ilike my ww bulky. Some on-hit is nice, but you are still on jungle-money. IMO, you have 3 jobs: locking someone down, worrying a carry (possibly with a partner) so they have to target you and cleaning up the fight with bloodscent. Last two jobs get easier with bulk, and you get plenty of damage from one offensive item.

On top of that, in bronze fights take long, few are convincing victories normally. WW converts a small advantage in a fight to a chase that easily turns the fight into a decisive one. Then, his team AS buff makes objective taking easy and rapid. All you need to do is to stay alive in the fight, on the front line.

This new sated on hit ww turns "worrying a carry" into "outright killing almost any champion in league 100 to 0." That is really not to be understated. He turns any fight into a bloodboiled 5v4. Idk man, I'm very high on this guy.

PJ. · Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:25 am

In post 43543, KaleiÐoscøpe wrote:Sheen procs seem really silly on ww. He only procs it consistently with his q, since all other abilities have long cooldowns or dont trigger it at all. Black cleaver seems worth trying, but ww procs more magic damage then anything so it seems really not that great. With devourer/botrk/wits your aa at max attack speed should give you enough damage and enough lifesteal to outduel any adc

Look man, you're debating me about a 5th item. Feel free to build a randuins. I would under certain circumstances. The core is what is OP. Red devourer, mobi, bork, wits. Finish it as you please if it even gets that far.

PJ. · Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:00 am

The challenge does.

PJ. · Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:54 pm

I'm playing singed on a silver account and having a lot of fun

PJ. · Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:07 pm

I still hate teleport in general and think it should be removed from the game with flask.

PJ. · Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:46 pm

In post 45233, animorpherv1 wrote:As if we needed more proof that flaming doesn't win games: here.

So, Kindred fails a bunch of ganks and is generally overaggressive, we fall really far behind really quickly and all of a sudden the entire team is throwing around blame and flaming each other. I said these words. "Someone explain to me how flaming wins games" and everyone shuts up and focuses on the game. We pull off a pretty huge comeback, and I'm so happy.

I flame every game and win 60% of them. Am I an outlier or a genius?

PJ. · Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:43 pm

In post 45236, zoraster wrote:You're 6-14 over your past 20 games. 8-12 over your past 20 ranked games.

TBH I just spit that number out, I haven't played ranked in a month and haven't looked at my stats in probably quite a bit longer than that. I don't even really play enough anymore to really do anything other than see if I can egg ani on, tbh.

Just looked at my stats, they aren't great. barely over 50%. Not really that concerned cause I'm kinda retired due to work.

PJ. · Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:22 am

Middle mouse button is laugh.

PJ. · Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:16 am

Maybe I'm just being a sourpuss, but I am starting to hate that they change the game so significantly every year.

PJ. · Fri Oct 30, 2015 3:16 pm

My main problem is the big sweeping changes break the game for like 3 months. Like we still haven't REALLY sorted out the last big changes, and we're about to get more huge changes. But yeah every season, it's just like "alright the game now has different parameters and there is shit that is fucked up". I don't know how many people remember league of Cleavers but that was awful for basically everyone for at least 2 months.

PJ. · Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:20 am

who are the new SKT skins gonna be?

PJ. · Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:30 am

In post 45414, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 45411, PJ. wrote:My main problem is the big sweeping changes break the game for like 3 months. Like we still haven't REALLY sorted out the last big changes, and we're about to get more huge changes. But yeah every season, it's just like "alright the game now has different parameters and there is shit that is fucked up". I don't know how many people remember league of Cleavers but that was awful for basically everyone for at least 2 months.

Really, the only broken champs atm are Fiora and maybe Morde (not seen him yet) - The GP nerfs hit him very hard, and Garen/Darius have been beatable for several patches at this point.

This mostly seems untrue, tbh. Garen is still the best top laner, especially after nerfs on GP. Dirty D is always banned so who knows.

PJ. · Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:37 am

I only mean laning. Outside of laning there are too many variables to make judgement one way or another.

PJ. · Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:41 am

In post 45437, mykonian wrote:tbf, he was meant to be a lanebully. He always was. His synergy with cleaver is a tad unfair, but there's nothing wrong with his progression from lanebully to meatshield. There are still many toplaners who outperform him lategame.

He still converts a good ammount of the time though.

PJ. · Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:41 am

In post 45438, notscience wrote:I saw a thread on reddit that said like

Renekton
Elise
Ryze
Kalista
Ali

but I don't remember where it was

Not Sivir? They played sivir every game of the finals.

PJ. · Sat Oct 31, 2015 3:25 pm

In post 45445, Voidedmafia wrote:Why don't they just make skins for the team they played in the last game, like they did for S2 and S3? (with whatever was Easyhoon's last champ if they want to include him)

Was it the last game they used? I actually haven't watched worlds since S2 so I actually don't know if it's most played champs during finals, or the last game, or what. that's why I asked.

PJ. · Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:04 pm

s4 seems to be most played in final series barring someone who already has a team skin. \But Talon and Singed were only played once a piece, but I think both those guys switched every game. So maybe they got to pick? Support played 2 thresh 2 janna, jg was 2 rengar 2 j4, ADC was 3 twitch 1 corki, the solo laners play 4 diff champs a piece it looks like. mid was fizz ori talon jayce. top was maokai rumble singed kassadin. I'm assuming they went with guys that don't have team skins to pick thresh and rengar. Idk how they got talon and singed.

They didn't do the last picks in season 3 either.

Upon further review, I have figured it out(mostly). Most played champ in finals that doesn't already have a team skin(Faker got Zed despite play gragas twice in a sweep, same with Bengi playing j4 twice and lee once). I dont know why Piglet got Vayne.

So S5 skins baring weird shenanigans will be Rumble, Rek Sai, Lulu, Sivir, Alistair. Actually that seems pretty straight forward if they stick with most played.

PJ. · Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:01 pm

In post 45452, animorpherv1 wrote:Thing is, last year, the champs got a say in what champ they wanted. Looper picked Singed as it's "his" champion, Imp picked Twitch and specifically asked for it to be cute (I think that was his request?), so on and so forth. Obviously if a champ already has a skin planned, they'd move on to somehing else (which is why Faker didn't get the Ahri skin he asked for in S3 and got Zed instead as it was his signature champion at the time, I believe).

I didn't watch the finale of S5, however I assume it's the same.

Fun fact:Faker was definitely known for zed, but only played it once in the entire tournament.

PJ. · Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:41 pm

In post 45479, JasonWazza wrote:Riot don't give away new skins, or they very rarely do without us having earned it (victorious skins)

I wish they'd give away a participation skin like they did with Kayle season 1. I'm still really upset that they did away with that.

PJ. · Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:25 pm

Why is Maokai(and guys similar to Maokai) so weak now?

PJ. · Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:46 am

his win rate is super low and he sees like no play in high elo solo queue. It seems that the big tank junglers have also went away, also not sure why. Probably devourer.

PJ. · Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:03 am

Fair enough, what happened to the jungle tanks though? Sej gone, Maok gone, Naut has been banished to bot lane, Bear mostly gone, Rammus gone, Sion gone from everywhere.

Only tanks in the game right now are basically Amumu, TK, Mundo, Malphite, and Singed. What keeps amumu relevant, while all his friends have been relegated to the 45% win rate never play this guy in a real game bin?

Does league constantly have to be in a state of it's either a tank meta or a assassin meta? The Juggs(and guys that are basically juggs but not in the 4 guys they reworked) are outliers but the meta always seems to be either assassins or tanks, with the OP bruiser/juggs/we as outliers.

PJ. · Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:39 pm

who ever decided giving an adc an on hit sustain that isn't life steal should be fired

PJ. · Mon Nov 02, 2015 5:30 pm

Can sivir spell shield Zed ult? and if so, when do you do it?

PJ. · Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:26 pm

Anivia is like.. the best mid in the game right now...

PJ. · Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:26 am

In post 45519, xRECKONERx wrote:oh they're so bad in lane though

I think Kindred is totally fine in lane, and the sustain is incredibly strong. I think if you run her with a mage, it's very hard to deal with.

PJ. · Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:17 am

Kindred is really solid at follow up and the sustain makes it so if you're not onstantly hitting her, you basically lose every trade. it kinda functions like irelia but from range.

PJ. · Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:58 am

Kindred clears waves super fast.

Ez is such a fuck. Like he's fine, and good, and whatever, but there is a reason his win rate is ass. and it's because most people play him not very well(me included and I achieved my highest rank ever, exclusively playing Ezreal) Too much running, not enough fighting.

PJ. · Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:47 pm

In post 45551, FakeGod wrote:I'm pretty excited about the fact that we can do ranked with more than just solo and duo parties now.

League is a team game, and it always felt really weird to be judged in solo and duo increments, rather than as a team.

I think club thing is going to make it even easier to set up ranked parties on the fly and go.

These are good changes.

I disagree. Vehemently. I'd prefer if they got rid of duos or at least gave me the option to solo and only play with other solo players. League is primarily a solo game for me and I avoid playing normals alone because i hate playing with groups of 3 and 4 as a solo player.

PJ. · Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:29 pm

In post 45556, FakeGod wrote:panzer aren't you the guy who believes in "top lane bushido" and frown upon "teleport faggotry"?

aren't you also the guy who rather stomp noobs instead of playing against people at your level?

Yeah, those are gameplay preferences that I understand not everyone thinks is right.

And yeah, I'm not good enough to "get good" and I want to win every game cause losing at league is not very fun. Way less fun than losing at any other game(video, board, physical, literally any game beside other mobas)

But those and this are completely unrelated. The most toxic thing in league is a duo queue ranked. That's because you have 2 guys who are "ride or die" and anyone who disagrees with them or wrongs them gets the double fuck you. There are a lot of cases of duos kinda holding the queue hostage. because they are 2 and the 3 is disorganized and doesn't want to be ganged up on. It only gets worse with more people. How many times do you queue solo normal and get a four stack of all the roles beside support, and fuck you if you don't want to support because it's four guys who are gonna make you support or ruin your game. That's only gonna make ranked more toxic. Look man, I'm not good with people, specifically online people because of a lack of accountability and the general disrespect most people online act with, ranked is already the wild west most times. and I want less problems, not more. There's already a queue for you and your friend's, it's literally every other queue beside solo queue. I'm all for league making it easier for people to wrangle ranked teams and create clubs and all that. That's really good and cool and. But don't bring them into solo/duo queue. A trio queue is honestly the worst thing I can imagine and definitely won't "connect people". It'll divide them, specifically the two people on the team and not in that trio. Ranked is already frustrating and (bad)people already think that there is luck involved and their team holds them hostage, and that will only fuel the fire when their team ACTUALLY IS holding them hostage cause it's 3/4 guys saying it's our way or the highway, enjoy your negative LP.

PJ. · Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:06 pm

Yeah, if they start letting trio's into solo queue, i probably quit league.

PJ. · Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:35 pm

kill him before 6. I'm not sure if they buffed him or not, but i did notice champion.gg had him pretty high, but i've mostly seen him do poorly.

PJ. · Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:50 pm

You implied you were going to go over all the power picks of the season then didn't. Disappoint.

PJ. · Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:14 am

This is such a nit pick, but it seriously rustles my jimmies when they release skins for something that has already passed. Harrowing a week late, the first set of pool party skins were released after late august/september(which albeit is the hottest part of the year in California now, ty global warming), ect.

That being said, the login screen is sick and i'm probably gonna buy jinx.

PJ. · Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:54 pm

In post 45639, BROseidon wrote:
In post 45627, mykonian wrote:ok so I play normals now and then. Soloqueue even. And matchmaking can be interesting. Sometimes you are suddenly playing with a player who's not even lv30, next thing you know you are playing with diamonds. Now as long as it's mid plat... I can have some game against that, if I'm on a comfort champion at least usually I don't get stomped on. Diamonds are another story, that skill gap is just too big, 90% of the times that just goes horribly wrong. But today I got to a whole new level of sadness: playing a new jungler for me against a "master" opponent. Nothing I did was right.

AAARG.

I've played against silvers who've out-laned me. The big difference I notice is that those players are usually completely terrible when it comes to what to do outside of the laning phase

That's me.

PJ. · Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:30 pm

Oh man despite my belief in top lane bushido, I'm pretty excited for rift herald.

PJ. · Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:03 am

In post 45654, FakeGod wrote:you should hire someone to do your promos for you

I bet there are people who will do it for free in this thread

He obviously doesn't want it, but for the record, I'd definitely do it for free.

I've been doing them for a pile of people. Just raised krystal to silver from bronze 2.

PJ. · Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:11 am

Zito is a better player than me.

PJ. · Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:42 pm

Yes, Jinx is the best carry in the game and has been since her release(this is a little bit of hyperbole but she's always been tier 1). Ez is a guy that i think has a bit of Lee Sin syndrome, where if the guy playing it was good enough to use him to his potential he wouldn't be in low or mid elo games plugging away with 200 games of Ezreal.

Ezreal is much more potent at escaping threat then Jinx. Extending to your Yi example, Ezreal is far more potent at escaping him then Jinx is. Most times Jinx almost definitely has to flash him. Also if you are a VERY GOOD player and hit a vast majority of your skill shots, ezreal does the most damage of any carry in the game. It's just most Ezreal's focus on running instead of fighting and end up not doing anything. Ez is probably the second best carry in the game after Jinx but most people don't get that out of him. Corki is kind of in a similar place. where he's top tier but has a high skill floor.

PJ. · Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:47 pm

In post 45666, Brandi wrote:Jinx is also just a lot easier to pick up and do decently with compared to Ezreal.

This is a much more concise version of what I said

PJ. · Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:56 pm

I went out of town but I'm not gonna make it back for my favorite past time. Bombing the very last game of the season and ruining some poor guys last shot at promo.

PJ. · Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:56 am

They really really really bent Ashe over with these nerfs.

PJ. · Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:27 pm

You can't stack Q with anything beside autos, the double slow is gone off Q, You can't start up Q early and have Q fire off after a shot or 2, Her the frost shot damage no longer counts as a crit, and the slow is less slow

The trade is, her crit's are now normal crits effective, her slow is doubled upon crit, and volley crits. But still.. That's A LOT of shit off Q for not a lot in return.

That being said, I still don't know all the changes as far as the series goes(i haven't looked at any of the items and i just learned that last whisper is 1300), so it might not be as bad as it sounds?

PJ. · Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:07 pm

In post 45810, Voidedmafia wrote:
In post 45809, animorpherv1 wrote:"It's been two days and I know how to play a reworked champion like a god already"

Kog'Maw was NEVER good in solo queue - the changes accentuate that.

Kog is pretty much the epitome of "protect the ADC" comps. If everyone else on the team can both keep the enemy in range and keep Kog alive, he'll shred through anything, but if not he'll be dead as fuck.

Also, I don't really see those changes as a
big
Ashe nerf? I mean, I agree it's a nerf early-mid for becoming a late-game scaler, but it doesn't seem that bad? I haven't played this new Ashe yet, though.

I could be wrong, I haven't played her yet, I'm still getting used to the new season changes, I just feel like she lost A LOT and didn't get much in return. It's technically a tweak, but it reads like a nerf.

@Myko, Q not having a cooldown is a buff, because they made it untriggerable if you don't have it fully stacked. So the cooldown is 6 autos or something.

PJ. · Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:47 am

I don't know, I feel the games have been mostly the same length, It takes slightly longer to get your devourer running.

PJ. · Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:43 pm

In post 45933, SleepyKrew wrote:
In post 45919, mykonian wrote:I'm aware of his combo. Getting a champ has so little to do with the concept of putting 2 skills right after another

That alistar is too hard for me depends on his choices, when to ult, when to save it, when to combo, when to flash pulverize, when to level heal. Execution comes after that which would obviously take time. And many of those choices impact what your possibilities are after that, because ult, combo and flash are on sizable cooldowns and your mana pool isn't all that great. So a lot of his plays are very all in, make the right choices, you look like a boss. Make the wrong ones, you are going to feel that for some time. I never end up looking like a boss. Hence, he's too hard for me.

Ah okay.

Hey how many of you are support mains? My friends all looked at me weird when I said it was my favorite role.

Zor is almost right. Everyone here is a support main except for me and Llamarble.

PJ. · Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:44 pm

And yeah everyone is playing ADC because of the season 6 changes, because "adcs are OP yo"

PJ. · Tue Nov 17, 2015 5:52 pm

Welcome to ONM

PJ. · Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:39 pm

In post 45971, Cabd wrote:Oh also Panzer how2darius stompfest?

Seems like that's a valid option again now with games being so short and TP nerfed.

I personally wouldn't run with him. He's too easily kited and all the ADCs are faster and crazier. At least Garen has a speed up and the silence, Darius has kinda nothing. You'd be better off pick a different tanky lane dominator, like Renekton.

PJ. · Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:46 pm

In post 45984, Papa Zito wrote:Roses are red
No advancement for you
lolololol
-panzer

10/10. A thing i've definitely actually said.

Do they not send in-game settings locally now?

PJ. · Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:39 pm

In post 45988, JasonWazza wrote:Nope it's server side now for each account.

This kills me playing on other people's accounts because it's awful having to change in game settings

PJ. · Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:36 pm

In post 45995, zoraster wrote:i think they'd figure that was an unintended feature.

Lol, really?

On a more serious note, I'm sure that's why they did it, but having witnessed a professional boost job, this doesn't actually fix that problem. Cause a pro booster simply says "don't go on your account for 2 days" and jams in like 30 games and GG job over. Are there that many people that share computers or play on multiple computers to make this change or was it just a weird and bad shot at legitimate boosters?

PJ. · Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:28 pm

In post 46002, zoraster wrote:
In post 46000, PJ. wrote:
In post 45995, zoraster wrote:i think they'd figure that was an unintended feature.

Lol, really?

On a more serious note, I'm sure that's why they did it, but having witnessed a professional boost job, this doesn't actually fix that problem. Cause a pro booster simply says "don't go on your account for 2 days" and jams in like 30 games and GG job over. Are there that many people that share computers or play on multiple computers to make this change or was it just a weird and bad shot at legitimate boosters?

Yeah. I don't think it really helps with professional boosts much, but I think there's a pretty big segment of people who turn to their friends and say "hey, you're plat... can you get me to gold?"

Also, and this is just totally making stuff up, but I wouldn't be surprised if every time you make large scale changes it flags the account if it's also paired with a new location or other suspicious circumstances.

The second bit is interesting, but they have long been able to do that. and have been. That's why the one booster I know has a shit load of servers protecting his location. And I don't think they really care that much about people boosting their friends or there would have already been a bunch of guys banned. Including me. IO, they have only cared about boosting when people are getting monetary gain from it.

@Espeon, you confused what he said. You no longer have to change settings, so that's why he said if you do change the settings from a weird location, you could get flagged. Assuming you play on your account every time, you'd never have to change settings regardless of how many different computers you play on because the settings no longer save locally, so you'd never be flagged

PJ. · Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:49 pm

They must not have made the change for AUS yet, NA servers have their in-game settings saved on-server now.

PJ. · Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:54 am

In post 46009, zoraster wrote:
In post 46004, PJ. wrote:
In post 46002, zoraster wrote:
In post 46000, PJ. wrote:
In post 45995, zoraster wrote:i think they'd figure that was an unintended feature.

Lol, really?

On a more serious note, I'm sure that's why they did it, but having witnessed a professional boost job, this doesn't actually fix that problem. Cause a pro booster simply says "don't go on your account for 2 days" and jams in like 30 games and GG job over. Are there that many people that share computers or play on multiple computers to make this change or was it just a weird and bad shot at legitimate boosters?

Yeah. I don't think it really helps with professional boosts much, but I think there's a pretty big segment of people who turn to their friends and say "hey, you're plat... can you get me to gold?"

Also, and this is just totally making stuff up, but I wouldn't be surprised if every time you make large scale changes it flags the account if it's also paired with a new location or other suspicious circumstances.

The second bit is interesting, but they have long been able to do that. and have been. That's why the one booster I know has a shit load of servers protecting his location. And I don't think they really care that much about people boosting their friends or there would have already been a bunch of guys banned. Including me. IO, they have only cared about boosting when people are getting monetary gain from it.

@Espeon, you confused what he said. You no longer have to change settings, so that's why he said if you do change the settings from a weird location, you could get flagged. Assuming you play on your account every time, you'd never have to change settings regardless of how many different computers you play on because the settings no longer save locally, so you'd never be flagged

I think they care. I just don't think they're as easily able to distinguish between "friend boosting" and "playing on a friend's computer."

Anyway, for anyone who isn't engaging in boosting, server-side settings are very nice.

It is nice, for people that play a bunch of different places. My main question is,"Was that an issue that needed solving?". I haven't played league on a computer that isn't mine in probably 2 years. Even when I was doing it semi-regularly, it feel like it was a non-issue. Are there really that many people that have to switch up computers so often that the in-game settings were frustrating? I know it's not gonna change, but I was just wondering whether it's targetted at friend boosting or if it was something that was really an issue for people.

PJ. · Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:20 pm

I can play

PJ. · Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:39 pm

I had a bunch of hard truths typed out but decided it was best to simply say, ignore them and just try to get better every game.

PJ. · Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:41 pm

preseason, who cares. slam in tryndo every game and roll the dice. That's my advice. You're welcome. Also you want to stay semi in practice for when the reset comes and you have to take the break from ranked because of the fucking chaos. Play games during preseason cause they probably won't affect you much and it'll hold over until placements settle down and it's not such a volatile enviroment.

PJ. · Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:26 am

In post 46077, Cabd wrote:Won my promos to B3 on the fourth try lel.

Thank god for the new ranked retry autowin feature they're rolling out:

Promo series play an important role in the Leagues system as the thresholds between divisions and tiers. In some cases, they can feel more like revolving doors when players toeing the skill border between ranks fall into a cycle of entering, failing, and reentering the same promo series. This is, to some extent, part and parcel with participation in a highly competitive system, but last season's learnings from ranked decay show that the balance between competitiveness and frustration isn't equal across the entire ladder.

Enter Promo Helper. From Bronze through Gold 2, failing a series will get you a win credit that'll apply toward your next attempt at that series, provided you can get back in. If you're ever demoted, Promo Helper will automatically grant you max credits until you've passed as many series as necessary to get back to your season-high division.

Promo Helper is rolling out now during the off-season for testing so we can ensure everything's tuned accordingly before the 2016 ranked season starts early next year.

DIG TO THE SURFACE Promo Helper only applies when you're in a division below Gold 1 (the same point where ranked decay begins)

CONTINUE? If you lose a promotional series, your next attempt at that series will start with a win credit (can stack twice for Tier series)

WHY DO WE FALL? Demotion wipes Promo Helper's win credits

SO WE CAN LEARN TO PICK OURSELVES UP Promo Helper always grants max win credits for any series you've previously passed

USE 'EM OR LOSE 'EM All Promo Helper bonuses will be reset at the beginning of the 2016 ranked season

do not like

PJ. · Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:33 am

Lux been strong, but good luck playing against that yasuo.

PJ. · Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:16 pm

In post 46107, quadz08 wrote:nor is ziggs'

This isn't true. Ziggs bomb is blocked.

PJ. · Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:26 pm

In post 46107, quadz08 wrote:nor is ziggs'

This isn't true. Ziggs bomb is blocked.

In post 46116, ActionDan wrote:Yas counters lux. Full stop.

This is true.

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On poopy, why did you post the OCE link? Does poppy's dash blocker only interrupt at the barrier or does it stop the dash inside. I like that they kept some of her kit in tact, I always thought the dash wall slam stun was more of a defining characteristic than the OP Ult. Does the knockack always go toward their base?

PJ. · Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:28 pm

In post 46118, Voidedmafia wrote:
In post 46117, PJ. wrote:
In post 46107, quadz08 wrote:nor is ziggs'

This isn't true. Ziggs bomb is blocked.

Q is. R isn't.

The last post was meant to be an edit my bad, but you're wrong friend.

"While the bomb appears to us to go "over" the wall, it's still a projectile that moves in a straight line, meaning it is blocked if the straight line is blocked by the wall."

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeG6kPPHwq8#t=420

PJ. · Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:09 pm

Not worth it.

Re: Poppy: is there a way to math out if her free stats from her new W or nerf compared to her old passive? Or how big of a diffrence it is?

PJ. · Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:17 pm

In post 46125, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 46122, PJ. wrote:Not worth it.

Re: Poppy: is there a way to math out if her free stats from her new W or nerf compared to her old passive? Or how big of a diffrence it is?

The way Poppy passive interacts is weird - if she takes more than 10% of her current health in damage, she'll take the 10% of her current health in damage, and the REST is reduced by 50%.

Realistically, Riot is smart. I'm sure they've ran the numbers and have done this in a way so that the only way to get anywhere near her old passive is under the 40% health threshold for doubling the armor/MR AND with a full armor/MR build, if at all. Add on to this that buying more and more armor gives you less and less DR, and you've got a problem.

But just as a small note here, if 300 health is 10% of your current health (giving you an even 3,000 hp) and something hits you for 400 damage, you'd take 300 damage (200 is within the 10% health threshold, plus half of the other 200). So you're looking for an amount of armor or magic resist that, come lategame, can block upwards of 100 damage a shot.

Are you being condescending on purpose or nah?

Also you did the math wrong on how her passive works, while explaining it correctly, not sure how you fucked that up. In your example 10%of her HP is 300 and she gets hit for 400. From how you described how her passive works(which is exactly how it works) she would take 10% of her current hp(300) and half the rest(100/2). She gets hit for 350.

I get riot being smart, but I was asking if someone in this thread could tell me what the math was, not just assume that you need to build tank in order to break even. I have now gotten to the flaw in my question, which is that they have yet to give us the numbers on the w bonus, and I'm assuming the math would involve resistance numbers + the old passive and then resistance numbers + the bonus in order to math out the break even point. So uh, My b.

PJ. · Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:38 pm

In post 46134, animorpherv1 wrote:@Panzer: I wasn't. Ij ust fucked up on the numbers. Sorry.

It was the tone of the post and assuming I didn't know what Poppy's passsive did that came off condescending, not the numbers. It's all good though.

PJ. · Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:31 am

In post 46140, FakeGod wrote:struggling is how you improve

stomping noobs is neither fun nor educational

disagree

PJ. · Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:44 am

Illoai is very complicated. I don't get it.

PJ. · Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:41 pm

In post 46158, SleepyKrew wrote:update: I've started occasionally having good games, including two S games in a row. Still bad overall though. I think I got placed higher than I should have. My guess is I'll drop to bronze and then work my way back up to silver either during preseason or early s6. Yes I'm having these struggles in silver

like 70% of league players have those struggles in silver. Silver, I believe, is the most populated division. and it's not really close. I don't know the stats for last season, but I know at some point Silver 5 was comprised of 50% of the player base.

PJ. · Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:51 pm

In post 46163, hiplop wrote:is that little gold v bump a product of boosting?

No, 5 is the most populated in all the tiers except bronze, it's because once you get in you can't get bumped down. Also, I'm shocked at how easy they made getting into gold. I remember a point when gold was literally just the top 25% and that was it.

~~~~`

Okay I have a serious question. When I first blood a guy that has TP and I don't, how do I not fall behind? This happens to me literally all time. I crush the guy, blood him, push the wave into tower as best i can, he tps back into lane, i have to leave, and i come back and lose lane because he's a level up by the time i get back to lane( it's especially not fair in cases like hecarim, where the guy has tp ignite). What should I be doing, because I feel I'm playing it 100% right but getting punished for it.

PJ. · Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:10 pm

In post 46167, KaleiÐoscøpe wrote:Depends at what level you fb him and where the wave is as you kill him. But my general advice is ask your junglers help to kill him again. Assuming you run ignite instead of tp because you have kill pressure on him, right?

Level 1-2. Literally start laning, kill him, push the wave as close to the tower I can without dying to the incoming TP(sometimes i get to tower, sometimes i get just in front of it which is 100% gonna ruin me everytime), go back, come back and the guy is at an xp advantage and possibly a level advantage.

This happens to me with alarming regularity and is why the main source of why I think TP should be removed from the game. I don't know how to prevent this from happening and it's incredibly frustrating. Because it doesn't happen every time, but probably like 15% of the time or something. It obviously happens more often on characters without sustain(Jax specifically) because a lot of times with a sustain champ i just try to play safe and sustain it back to keep pressure.

PJ. · Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:31 pm

But if the lane is slow pushing, I'm losing on xp that they are going to pick up, right? Or will the wave not build up enough? Wouldn't they just freeze it and put me in the same situation, but I'm out 100-200 gold?

PJ. · Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:09 am

In post 46172, Klazam wrote:Fb is 2/3 a level and 400 gold. I'd think the important thing to do is to mae sure you don't lose that much

Alternatively, be cho'gath or garen and just sustain to full

I've actually been "beating it" by being tryndo.

PJ. · Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:56 am

I like having early kill pressure, and it's something I've been doing for years. So I just prefer it. It also helps deal with the menace that is mundo. And I have trouble remembering to use TP, to be honest.

TP is a broken summoner spell that has overcentralized the meta. Both solo laners are running it, because of the map pressure and complete lack of consequences of playing poorly early. But while true, this isn't the point.

I simply am looking for a solution to my problem of, "How do I consistently maintain advantage after getting first blood while the opponent has tp and I have neither TP nor sustain?"

Edit: very familar with that play to win article, I prefer the kill pressure because I don't die early and honestly, I forget to use TP when I have it.

PJ. · Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:36 pm

Kinda rude statement, but why the fuck are we talking about Illaoi when Quinn is literally the best champ in the game? 52%+ win rate in every role that matters. Basically the best solo laner and best bot laner.

PJ. · Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:33 am

And more to the point, How specifically is Illaoi, OP? Does she beat mundo, Quinn, TK, GP, or Irelia? I think the answer is no on all accounts and the only kinda close one might be Irelia.

PJ. · Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:29 am

In post 46213, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 46212, PJ. wrote:And more to the point, How specifically is Illaoi, OP? Does she beat mundo, Quinn, TK, GP, or Irelia? I think the answer is no on all accounts and the only kinda close one might be Irelia.

Yes, Maybe but quinn roams, not entirely sure, i haven't seen a GP in like a month is he even any good any more?, haven't seen irelia V Illaoi

GP is probably the 3rd or 4th best top laner, still.

I really dont see how she beats mundo.

PJ. · Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:55 pm

Thanks Shanba, that actually makes a ton of sense.

PJ. · Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:23 pm

In post 46246, zoraster wrote:I have zero trust that people in lower elos know how to use her. It's possible there's a skill component to it, but there's also just the possibility that the majority launch in without a real thought on how to approach her.

I think it has more to do with that she's a wombo combo champ than that she is good late game.

But than again, She is actually the inverse of Amumu's win by duration graph, so maybe I'm wrong, But it is similar to Cho's graph, just a much lower average win rate.

PJ. · Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:19 am

In post 46274, Papa Zito wrote:
In post 46270, Psyche wrote:oh is zito actually good at league

bruh

PJ. · Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:20 am

Cause UT uses the fuck out of the John Wall one, and John Wall is scrubbing it up this year.

@Zito, IDK man. The Bitz signal is always up, the hero just never arrives. Basketball season started.

"Yo Zito told me to put up the bitz signal for games later" "Lol it's second period"

I think you need to get him a popeyes gift card.

PJ. · Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:57 am

IDK man, What is the prospective team? Me, you, bitzo, peggo, and real dan?

PJ. · Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:03 am

Yeah, that's Real Dan.

PJ. · Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:30 am

I personally hate spontaneous in-houses because those are always lopsided clique ass beatings.

PJ. · Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:41 am

In post 46295, zoraster wrote:I don't really know why we don't do captain draft players for those things. Instead it's always "this looks fair" and the onus is on someone to say it's not and feel like they're taking it too seriously -- only to get ignored anyway.

PJ. · Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:46 am

In post 46300, zoraster wrote:

I am just a humble man who just couldn't take any more injustice.

PJ. · Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:02 am

Also, What happened to chronopie and his edible moustache? Poppy is coming back, i need some Chronopie.

PJ. · Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:36 am

This basically.

PJ. · Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:26 am

This is entirely too complicated at this point. If y'all around tonight, the bitztrotters got game.

PJ. · Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:37 am

In post 46316, quadz08 wrote:so quinn is a good champion to take into illaoi according to my very scientific single game we just played

i crushed her it was awesome

PJ. · Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:00 am

In post 46319, dramonic wrote:Im mostly always up for scummers game, but im not online super often so just skype me or fb me or something.

PJ. · Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:17 am

I think real dan just gave his spot up to pysche

PJ. · Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:12 pm

Yo, we got some in-house?

PJ. · Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:32 pm

did you change your ign?

PJ. · Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:32 am

In post 46334, Klazam wrote:
In post 46255, PJ. wrote:
In post 46246, zoraster wrote:I have zero trust that people in lower elos know how to use her. It's possible there's a skill component to it, but there's also just the possibility that the majority launch in without a real thought on how to approach her.

I think it has more to do with that she's a wombo combo champ than that she is good late game.

But than again, She is actually the inverse of Amumu's win by duration graph, so maybe I'm wrong, But it is similar to Cho's graph, just a much lower average win rate.

explain what you mean by cho's graph?

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions ... p/platinum

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions ... p/platinum

win by game duration.

PJ. · Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:22 am

Basically what Zoraster said.

PJ. · Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:28 pm

Nah we already played a weird bad in-house this week that reminded everyone why in-houses suck. We even drafted teams kickball style. Still awful.

PJ. · Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:56 pm

Umm, you guys kinda counter picked our lane so I settled for outfarming you by a considerable amount. I was ahead of you most of the game. Basically until it got out of hand. I think before laning broke I was up by 30.

I have other commentary on that game but the short version is; my team was very salty at 1 particular member of our team that made it unenjoyable for the rest of us. I can't post the long version.

PJ. · Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:41 pm

That's a very weird statement seeing that I didn't bring any of this up. All I said is we played a weird bad in-house this week. 4 people on my team had not very much fun. That's a fact. I don't know what I would have to defend myself post game about? I didn't approach that game any different than I would any other game. I was farming to try to catch up because we AS A UNIT were very behind. If you have a problem with my play, state it plainly, because I don't think my damage being dealt to champs being low has anything to do with why we lost that game.

Also, isn't this exact conversation just proving my original premise, which was "We played a bad in-house this week that reminded everyone that they suck"? Way to prove me right, FG. Also, why do you even have a problem with me?

Edit: I didn't even mention my total CS over the course of the game. I just mentioned my lane CS. Where I was ahead of Ank until you and amumu came and broke our lane. They asked why I played passive so I gave them the honest answer. I was ahead and we were counter picked so we didn't have to force it.

PJ. · Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:36 am

Yeah, bitz randomed Leona. But it's all good, cause he's the best.

But people sure are salty as fuck in here over nothing.

Edit: not you myko, you are great. That lane was actually pretty okay as far as lanes go. I enjoy playing against you and ank, and I don't have a problem with you asking me why I played the way I did, sorry if I came across as indignant, I just figured since I played it right it should be self-explanatory.

PJ. · Sat Dec 05, 2015 7:00 am

Good things that came from this in-house: I found out I still enjoy playing with Reck a lot and Zoraster is a cool dude that made the best of a bad situation. I realized that NS has gotten really really good since I taught him to "not be a bronze player" super long time ago(my star pupil!). He's still an extraordinarily rude laugh spammer though(not in the lesson plan!). Anyway man, look at me being on my best behavior.

PJ. · Sat Dec 05, 2015 7:53 am

In post 46380, Iecerint wrote:What on earth is so outrageous about Vayne top.

Nothing. He picked it into Lissandra.

PJ. · Sat Dec 05, 2015 7:58 am

In post 46376, FakeGod wrote:So why the fuck did SAD decide to play Vayne top?

PJ. · Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:01 am

In post 46391, Iecerint wrote:
3. I can't say for sure, but my inference is that the causes for the outcome of the game were more complicated than "SAD played Vayne top and made us lose I am outraged."

You forgot the part where he fed profusely.

PJ. · Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:15 pm

In post 46403, SnowStorm wrote:Isn't one of the benefits of playing with friends, that people play for fun and don't take screw-ups so seriously? I thought that inhouse was going to be like that, I was even a little sad that I couldn't join for being in EUW, but it sounds like it was as stressful as a ranked match.

It seriously doesn't have to be though. Dude, I used to play semi-serious to serious pick-up basketball games 4-5 days a week before I blew my knee out in May. 10 dudes of varying skill levels playing a competitive team game together without (too much) butthurt. Most people on MS just have a serious lack of social skills and a lot of them are the professionally offended.

I wish people could just play a damn competitive game with friends without being so butthurt. It's not hard to just, ya know, pick your guy and play like normal without ruining the game for your team or the opposing team. Hell, our bot lane was a mix of a panic selection and a random selection. We made the best out of it and got it done.

Oh by the way, we did the whole "for fun" thing once too, one guy was a dick and ruined that too

Apparently being a decent person is hard.

Edit Nice Penta ank

PJ. · Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:23 am

Lucian is good wave clear. MF can ult the wave and clear it if she only has to stall for a small time. Graves range is waaaaay to short to stall against more than 2 people.

PJ. · Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:04 am

In post 46428, Shanba wrote:Any ADC is good at wave clearing if they pick up hurricane or shiv - especially shiv, for the kind of wave clearing where you're just stalling under tower.

This actually a pretty good point. Shiv Caitlyn probably clears fine as long as they don't have baron and is safe as can be.

PJ. · Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:53 pm

Ani has a point.

But to Voided's defense, I don't see the appeal in 3s.

Congrats to team Europe for getting gold though, because getting gold in either team queue is an accomplishment.

PJ. · Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:20 am

left walk q right walk flash r left walk q? looked diamond to me.

Wow the Lee Sin at 3:10 is apparently the best gold 4 player alive.

PJ. · Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:18 am

That's how I felt about Draynth's play, tbh. But that play at 3:10. OMG. Just OMG. A-moving and life stealing while dodging attacks and getting out of range then killing him was brilliant.

PJ. · Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:43 am

That gnar was the worst silver 2 of all time, sure.

PJ. · Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:04 pm

I think I need to bring back the king of midlane now all these squishy guys are back in mid. Air Jarvan

PJ. · Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:00 pm

He kicks the shit out of all the squishy guys with no mobility. Lux, TF, Probably Anivia. Probably Brand.

PJ. · Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:00 am

I think gnar is super weak right now.

PJ. · Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:50 pm

Vlad's counter has always been sticky gap closer bruisers early.

PJ. · Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:35 am

Who you gonna play against Trynd or Jax?

PJ. · Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:22 am

Teemo lose to both those guys for the same reason Vlad does.

PJ. · Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:23 am

In post 46483, Iecerint wrote:
In post 46482, PJ. wrote:Who you gonna play against Trynd or Jax?

Demand bans.

That's not the only 2 guys that get through those picks. Irelia, Aatrox, basically any guy like them. I think He'd be better off switch Karthus out with someone else.

PJ. · Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:33 am

I'd be happy to 1v1 crush you with either of those champions against teemo to show you the light.

Also Poppy is here! And an Ashe buff! Also a rammus nerf?

PJ. · Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:46 am

In post 46489, Psyche wrote:as long as it's still summoner's rift

summoner's rift is the only map that matters, send me a friend request, audiotsunami

PJ. · Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:48 am

In post 46490, hitogoroshi wrote:
In post 46480, PJ. wrote:Vlad's counter has always been sticky gap closer bruisers early.

this is the correct answer. J4 is particularly Vlad's nemesis for a few extra reasons too. J4 passive is on a similar clock to Transfuse early which makes trading nearly impossible, especially with shield. it's also because both e AND q outrange transfuse, so he can mix up the combo. sometimes trying the combo and sometimes just going straight to q for damage. it makes it hard to use pool well at all, not to mention iec's point that pooling does so much damage even if you do pool the whole e-q. just a friggin nightmare all around.

hiplop, as a vlad kid,
I'd reccomend trying Ken.
He plays kinda similarly to Vlad but has good matchups against a lot of Vlad's nemeses.

This is actually a way better answer to my question than even I could think of. Which was Irelia.

PJ. · Wed Dec 09, 2015 5:28 pm

Did you kill the guys who didn't get cc'd? Cause THAT is funny.

Only thing I hate, is it's just another fucking headbutt troll move. Just a move that seems to always go off right as I'm channeling my big AoE CC. Like tibbers.

PJ. · Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:43 pm

umm, it only has to knock them back a couple teemos to kill a skill shot.