League of Legends (Old)

[Oman]

Bronze Shen who has his ult disabled.

Saw a guy use it on the jungler to get back into lane faster and stop the jungler taking his CS. I wish I were joking.

[Oman]

Schools back and I'm enjoying league again! Whoop whoop.

[Oman]

Rewarding myself for learning olaf by buying brolaf.

[Oman]

I forgot base gates were a thing.

Base gates are a thing.

[Oman]

I'm 7 and 2. 9 out of 10 placements.

Feelin p good. I'd love to see where I shake out to.

But I have to go watch birdman while my girlfriend entertains a lady.

[Oman]

Won 8 of 10, dropped from Silver V to Bronze 3...

Time to climb again.

FUCK!

EDIT: So i finished the season in Bronze 2, climbed to Silver in post-season. I think when the reset hit it used the end-of-season MMR/rank rather than the one I climbed through. That's about the only way I can describe this crazy shit.

[Oman]

What's with the support Annie resurgence?

[Oman]

Leona has no option other than to all-in though, while graggy grab has a limited kind of poke/sustain playstyle. I'm terms of team fights I want Leona every time.

[Oman]

So what is grag's role? Thanks disruption against positioning based teams? Trying to think who I'd pick him against in a team instead of Leona.

[Oman]

That's great advice, but I'm pretty offay with the lane. More talking about in or against what team comp, looking post laning phase, would I want to take gragas over Leona?

[Oman]

TBH the best part about the change is that you're not forced into the MR/AP path if you do buy a ruby crystal early. Buying that quick health boost, then building it into Sunfire Cape is just amazing. Having the flexibility to build it into liandry's, RoA, or Spectral cowl makes it an amazing item that will probably be my first purchase on first back for nearly every top laner.

[Oman]

This just in, Oman doesn't buy sightstone :p

I rarely jungle, but when I support I've been buying ss later and later.

Bascially, I'm high-bronze low-silver, to give you perspective. I find a pink and my totem and MAYBE one more ward is plenty to keep me and the lane partner safe in lane. Then I pour that 800-odd gold into more combat stats and prove that I own this lane. Note that I usually play Leona or Blitz and like to fight often in lane, so it's probably a product of how I play.

I have been finding the "rush gold item level 2, rush sightstone, then gold item level 3" to be REALLY lackluster as a support. It basically trades out all combat effectiveness for the first 15 minutes or so. I dunno, could be wrong, certainly don't main support, certainly not a good player overall.

[Oman]

Yes I definitely pick up sightstone eventually. When is a complex question, but the answer is "when it feels worth it"

[Oman]

Drunken 1v1s with Reck and Kise, weeeee.

[Oman]

Played 2 games of 3 with at least one person trying to sink to bronze 5.
The 3rd had two people DCing constantly.

I'm off league for a few days, I think.

[Oman]

so I played Leona in a game where the other team went all physical damage. I wasn't sure what to go with for my sixth item. I had: Face of the Mountain, Frozen Heart, Ruby Sightstone, mobiboots, thornmail, and then I finished off with randuin's. Is there a better option? Should I have gone warmogs or something?

I rate Warmogs so highly.

But yes, at that point you probably had enough armour that health would have been a better choice.

[Oman]

Triforce Malphite seems like it'd be awful or just the most overpowered shit ever.

Which is right?

[Oman]

Dyrus just looks like he doesn't know where he is or what he's doing.

Take the mouse out of his hands and he falls apart.

[Oman]

Do you guys know if you don't have smite you can't buy machete? So if you're busy cleaning up after dinner during champ select and you take olaf with barrier and flash you have no machete all game.

Don't ask how I found that out.

[Oman]

I mean sure you can place low in like, initial placements or w/e because of random chance, but once you hit a few dozen games you can't really say you "are gold" but are "stuck" in silver. it's very possible to climb out of silver while being a gold-level player and not plat; we call these players "gold players"

I think he's referencing the fact that there are a lot of Bronze to X type accounts doing their own climb right now. You're almost guaranteed to have a smurf on either team, and there's a greater liklihood of it being theirs.

I've been experiencing it a lot in Bronze.

[Oman]

Explain him to me, RiotBRO

[Oman]

d her build path is ????????

RE: MF Triforce MF is so FUCKING fun. But falls off way too hard. You have to steamroll midgame.

[Oman]

If you need a bruiser with an endgame clock I have just the champ for you.

Spoiler:

I've never quite understood Jax before. I can get to be a big splitpusher, but I can never be the huge carryjax that I see other people playing.

Does anyone have any advice? I normally play Renekton, Rumble, Malphite top, so that's my context.

[Oman]

do you know how to use aa resets?
if you do then maybe you're activating your e too early or your ult too late.

I understand them, but rarely use them to their full potential. With renekton I'm p good at using my W and Hydra as AA resets. It's probably the first skill that falls off in big distracting teamfights, though.

For Jax I understand his W is a reset, is that the only one?

[Oman]

Depends what you're trying to achieve.

[Oman]

Have we seen a quality infinite scaling support yet?

[Oman]

Correct, thanks.

[Oman]

Bard will make lane swaps more attractive

[Oman]

Kinda like how braum has godly ganks but isn't a top tier jungler

[Oman]

Ok so i'm gonna go ahead and ask here, given that bard is coming, what champs are strong in a 2v1 swap like scenario?

I'm thinking bard might result in a 1 in every lane, a jungler and bard that roam together like scenario

Yeah prob. If you're talking 1v2 adcs, probably...Caitlyn? I dunno. Lucian would probably be the choice I'd make though.

If you're talking top laners, cho is 100% the guy you want. Panth ain't bad and Renekton can survive under turret. Yorrick is usually pretty comfortable when he's zoned out, but I don't think he's good enough to bother learning. Rumble sorta can unless you're up against hard engage supports.

[Oman]

I believe in you.

[Oman]

OCE for life.

had a few DJ sona mids already, a few were dodged by others, the one that I played with was a mad piece of shit. Not terrible during laning phase but just useless mid- and end-game.

[Oman]

Vi is fucking OP. Ganks are godly, clears are easy.

[Oman]

Renek doesn't need CDR

What?! I love CDR on Renekton!

[Oman]

Sounds like bad Sivir-ing.

[Oman]

Sounds like Bard is a bad low-elo champ

Oh yeah!

I feel like he's built for the lane swap meta which doesn't exist at low-elo (in OCE at least).

[Oman]

quick question- does Sion's voiceover change between skins? I just read all of his lines and i find them badass, so I'm wondering if its the same for Lumberjack Sion

Yep. Lumberjack is visual only.

I don't know about the rest.

[Oman]

I'm having a mad struggle with league at the moment. I'm still enjoying it, but I'm watching some massive losses. Especially games where I don't too badly myself. Not sure if it's just a streak or what.

[Oman]

Taric

No but for real, taric is in your "yeah play this guy" list?

[Oman]

just switch to maxing Q

This seems like a recipe for bad.

[Oman]

Or should I not take Gravity's game against TSM as the norm for that matchup?

I mean, you should never take a single game, or pro games as "the norm". They're very good players and can make a lot of strats work, but it might not be consistent.

Overall though, yeah he's really strong in 1v1, but I'm not sure he really makes up for it across the team.

[Oman]

Although, something pretty amusing is that Urgot's mid winrate just dropped all the way to 41%. He's 48% in toplane.

I blame Kanye.

[Oman]

When you think about it, if you kept 3 wards alive all game it'd be 1 ward/minute from when you bought your sightstone. Add a few vision kills and a few pinks and I think 1/min or .8/minute is probably a good goal.

[Oman]

Massive, but even as someone who loves Sejuani, valid. Her ult was just way too forgiving, and was effective over way too large an area.

[Oman]

That's mostly a clear time nerf for sion where for sejuani it's a killing people nerf. And not one that is insignificant.

sej's ult nerf is maaaassiiiiive

How to get around sej ult nerf - HIT THE DAMN ULT. Also, she had a 56.68% winrate yesterday. Clearly it wasn't that big.

The biggest thing is that hitting the ult on one or two people doesn't mean hitting it on five. With the 90% slow, if a team was spread out you could still hit all of them, albeit only a few with the stun. Now, though, if they're spread outside of stun range, they drastically counter the effectiveness. It's got good counterplay in it now, IMO.

Panzer is right though, that AOE CC is huge in Low ELO. The problem I've always had with Sej prior to cinderhulk is that her weak first levels (pre 5 or 6) are so bad that you're not ganking, and Low ELO lanes struggle to be without help for that long. I've come out of the jungle after my second clear and had a botlane that's 5 kills down to a caitlyn/thresh and continuing to feed while sitting under turret. There were definitely options that I didn't take there, that I could've, but I also just needed people to not feed for 8 minutes. Which is a big ask sometimes.

[Oman]

I thought URF mode was the least fun of all the modes they have released.

You're wrong!

[Oman]

I have a very big desire to play support naut. I will not deny this is in part because of the popularity of naut in the LCS.

Saw it once in Bronze II wasnt bad.

Just played a naut support yesterday. Not entirely sure he's better than Thresh. His W shield is actually useful now, but his hook is definitely not as useful as thresh's. The ability to escape with it is amazing, but not being able to hook over a wall/turret/etc is a real limitation. It seems to be a tradeoff between utility and tankiness. I do much much much prefer naut's ult to thresh's ult, though.


Taric is a pretty OP support though. Man his cooldowns are STUPID long, but a point+click stun is awesome. He's also the only tank support I'd recommend going mostly utility masteries on.

[Oman]

<3 I love drunk league with reck.

[Oman]

Holy fucking shit. Playing with this guy who keeps saying "I am in bronze 5 renekton's demolishers. I need to play renekton to get points so I can move to next champ."

and it's hilarious.

[Oman]

Cause I'm bronze five as fuck right now man. Silver at the end of last season, 8/2 on placements and back into Bronze Four. Lost a BUNCH right at the start of season (like I was terrible and luck was terrible and everything I did was badtimes) and then I haven't played in weeks because of the girlfriend/housing problems.

That dude was hilarious all through the game. Just constantly talking about how he HAD to win this renekton game to "get points". I like playing with those people (oh and btw: He was honestly terrible. I don't think I've seen someone play that poorly).

[Oman]

Our side banned Renekton so he played Jax. Bronze man.

[Oman]

Just pointing out that it's not really cho's fault.

Cho has a 1000+ dmg smite. There's no reason it should be getting stolen.

[Oman]

That's my point. You don't lose baron to cho because you have to smite at 800, he gets to "smite" at 1200 or so.

[Oman]

Oh you were replying to zor, sorry

[Oman]

It has many many frames, but you can lead it.


Promos, first game our fifth pick goes cleanse clarity sion and feeds. This game, bra.

[Oman]

Oh man it is getting better! our volibear's "keyboard broke" and he's feeding too

[Oman]

It has zero cast time but it does have a shitty little animation.

[Oman]

FUUUUUCK I ENDED UP ON THE SAME TEAM AS THE FEEDER AGAIN! WHAT ARE THE GODDAMN CHANCES OF THAT.

GGWP 0-2 series.

[Oman]

Well those two games were the least fun I've had in league. Just people being vindictive.

[Oman]

I love the tank meta and am annoyed at how vocally people are complaining about it.

Because everyone wants to be the solo carry and tank meta natural counters single assassin recking the whole team.

Tank meta is team meta

[Oman]

That's a huge investment including giving up tp or flash. Very interesting.

[Oman]

I find ignite terrible on xerath. If you're close enough to ignite you're out of position.

[Oman]

URF has destroyed my ability to manage mana.

I played brand in urf, liked him so much I had to try him in a real game. I burned through many so fucking hard.

[Oman]

Shyvana with smite toplane is fucking amazing and I love her.

[Oman]

Mr snarky one line post

[Oman]

VROOM VROOM VROOM?

League in one line. Well played.

[Oman]

Quadz. There's a black guy. I don't know what you're complaining about

But seriously, when the race of your character can be a defining attribute (to the point that the Korean's routinely just call him "Obama"), that is a concern.

Also, grungy NuNu.

[Oman]

Are you referring to Karma?

[Oman]

Change "Chinese" in the discussion above to "Asian" for more safety at the cost of possible specificity. Karma is most definitely Indian which fits into the broader Asian theme.

This is one of those things where "black" isn't "black" if you know what I mean? The fact that she has a darker skin colour doesn't make her "black" in the American sense. She's Indian, at most I'd give you West Asian (Near East, like a Turkey/Egypt thing, maybe, but I'd still pick Indian over this).

Using Quadz's list:
Ahri - The nine-tailed fox spirit who can shapeshift into a beautiful woman to seduce men. China/Japan/Korea. This is pretty much a cert for me (Same root as vulpix, I'd assume).
Irelia - Definitely Asian/Chinese based on her artwork. It's in the lips and her facial structure. Hiten Style is the giveaway - Hiten is a Japanese word, celestial or something, it was the name of their lunar orbiter.
karma - I'm calling Indian based on the fact that her name is Karma (Buddhism is the biggest anchor for the term, other option is probably Taoism which is still Asiatic).
Lee Sin - I mean, the Asian martial arts, the name, and the fact that he studied in a monastery. I'd probably lean Japanese with a name like Sin, but I don't know.
Master Yi - I know nothing about Yi except the Katana, the name Yi, and reference to Wuju style (which is actually a Chinese word that refers to a type of theatre named after a Chinese City [yes I had to google that one!]).
Soraka - I could probably argue something about the crescent moon and the area, but I won't because it's weak at best. She's a unicorn. Whatever. There are unicorn-like creatures across Asian mythology, but tbh there are unicorns fucking everywhere in every mythology.
Varus - The biggest thing about Varus is that his corruption comes from a temple that he was protecting. Temples tend towards a very Asian culture. I don't really have else to add on this one.


I dunno, Ionia is Asia in my mind. I mean you can say "maybe 4 chinese" which I'd agree with, but if you broaden it to the rest of Asia it's almost certainly *most* of them.

Still, diversity *is* a joke on the rift, and your point about female body types *is* a serious one (and much broader than Riot!). I'm not writing the above with the intent of saying "oh no look how diverse they are with all this Asian-ness!" It's more just for funsies.

League would accept more champions of different colours and different locations, definitely. The different body types thing needs to happen but unfortunately is symptomatic of a larger issue.

[Oman]

Akali and Kennen are both ninjas and have spent some time in Ionia, Udyr is a representation of the spirit animals and trained in Ionia I think. Yasuo was born in Ionia before he started his pilgrimage I think, and the wind/sword stuff is very Japanese. There's a couple more. I'd have to do more research on champion backgrounds to speak definitively on any more.

[Oman]

(see ahri in particular; foxes are not humans

She's not a fox though, she's a fox spirit who can take on human form.

And if you're getting specific, none of them are Asian, they're Ionian

But if you're talking about a player seeing a representation that they can identify with (which is, I think, the broader social context behind what we're talking about), yes, Ahri doesn't add to racial diversity for player avatars. There's no coincidence that most of the original (unskinned) Chinese Artworks are redrawn to make the characters look less...European White. They definitely look more Asian. Jump on the wiki and take a look at the champions compared to their chinese artworks (Garen and Caitlyn are both good examples).

It's a massive fucking problem, that racial groups and most women CAN'T find a character that they can roleplay as, with whom they identify. And as I said, my point that Ionia is Asia, that Karma is Indian, isn't offering a counterpoint to that at all.

[Oman]

There are many people who are definitely better to talk about this than me. If no one steps in, I'll attack it tomorrow after work.

[Oman]

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/bo ... ?t=2485782

She black

The problem is the usage of the term "black". Literally anyone kinda brown could be thrown into the "black champion" box.

If by black you mean "imitating or symbolising African-American descent and culture" that's a really different thing to "non-white skinned". Lucian is definitely a "black" champion. Karma is definitely a "non-white" champion.

[Oman]

VIDEO GAMES ARE SEXIST, RACIST, ETC. NO ONE REALLY GIVES THIS MUCH OF A FUCK.

It's about ethics in video game journalism.

[Oman]

Also there's the bigger problem: If sex sells, if white homogeneity sells, that is because we've been conditioned towards those things being "the ideal". The solution is not to say "Man, that fucking sucks. Oh well, let's keep doing it because it sells."

This kind of cultural sustainability is the hard road, but in the long run it's required! Social change CAN happen through our video games, our music, and our movies/TV. It can happen if the producers of that content make that cultural change one of their priorities.

It's a fucking circle: We're told white, and sexy is the ideal. We idealise white and sexy. We buy content that displays white and sexy. White and sexy content floods the market. All our heroes and their love interests are white and sexy, so we take white and sexy to be the ideal. Loop continues.

[Oman]

I never really played him but considering how much fun I'm having with Vi and Nunu I'm not sure I will...

[Oman]

In which team comp would I take udyr over Vi? When I need more of a carry?

[Oman]

Mmm true. I prob wouldn't expect udyr to lock down more than one person, but his aoe damage has a bigger ceiling than Vi. I just love her health scaling so much with cinderhulk

[Oman]

On W. Duh. I'm an idiot. Thanks

[Oman]

Wait no. Udyr doesn't naturally scale with health, does he? The W shield is just +AP. I meant Vi has her sick as fuck passive too.

[Oman]

I'm so excited to watch that when I get home.

[Oman]

Why is critplank a bigger thing than crit - anything else top lane

[Oman]

General theory question: When is penetration better than straight AD or AP?

I mean, when should I put LW as a second or third item is one question that I can kind of fake. The question I'm asking is: When should I use Pen runes instead of Damage runes.

[Oman]

Too easy. Keep it off cooldown. See a spell being used. Press E

Victory.

Oh one more comment: I get really down when I lose one game and win two and end up with only 3 more LP than I started the night with. I am learning Gragas though, so that's nice.

[Oman]

I've been playing heaps of ADC and I don't know how you guys fucking do it! You have to sit around and wait for the random yahoos that you play with to initiate or ward. Oh man, it's fucko. Fucko to the extreme.

[Oman]

Can I suggest an alternative?

Do it yourself.

Best advice.

[Oman]

Lee Sin just isn't S tier any more. He's not bad by any means but you don't want to take him instead of Sej /Grag/Vi etc.

[Oman]

I've played her a few times recently. She feels so immobile!

[Oman]

most least

[Oman]

if he's got any damage I'm pretty sure he just kills you?

Ki strike may have been enough if he built a reasonable amount of health.

[Oman]

how does one play mages as opposed to adcers or fighters

Mana management is a big one, always knowing how many spells you can get away with casting before you become useless and unsafe with no manna.

The biggest difference is cooldown management. Adcs can always do damage, when a mage is on cooldown, it's all over. Knowing when to blow your massive cooldowns, and knowing when to hold them for a better opportunity is the biggest thing. And that only comes with practice.

[Oman]

What are your two go-to rune pages then?

[Oman]

2) I play much better in soloQ when I am playing my own music.

Keep your ping volume high though.

[Oman]

I just had myself have to afk for five minutes due to a dodgy connection (this fucking sharehouse), came back and managed to semi-carry a game as riven through wards and rank 1 w stuns. I upgraded my trinket and picked up a pink and warded our topside jungle so that our Midnivia and I could just eat off the dumb fucks for days. So very satisfying. Anivia picked up the kills and did the damage, and I just "supported" her in a joint top-mid lane. So much fun, so much the best.

For reference. Dem 10k gold leads...

[Oman]

IMO

Ekko is massively overtuned right now. Needs srs nerfs.

Excluding Bard, I can't remember the last time a champion was released in any kind of balanced state.

[Oman]

When I said Bard I was referencing him being undertuned. A better sentence would have ended "was released in a not insanely OP state".

[Oman]

Having an escape built into your ADC kit is pretty awesome.

So, I agree with this 800% when you're learning. Don't learn on Kog, learn with an escape. Ashe is great too because she has the slows and the giant flying dildo ult for 450ip.

I also recommend Corki for learning, he's fun, has a boatload of magic and true damage for when everyone else goes AD as well, and has some casting in his kit for fun weaves. The only issue is that his "escape" is like a bullshit 4000 second cooldown, and is easier to flay than the enemies of House Bolton.

[Oman]

Not to Jinx it (ha!), but I'm burning through bronze 3 at the moment and feeling really comfortable with the game. Even when we're losing lanes woefully I'm still managing to find fights with my team and come back.

My current rules are: pick someone with Cc, preferably non ultimate CC; Upgrade trinket at first back after level 9; turrets > dragon in 90% of games; learning to chunk first, fights are easier when they're half dead already.

It's a good list that I can use in every position. Though it has meant I'm not taking shyvana anymore because of her lack of CC and that makes me sad.

[Oman]

Speaking of jungling. I'm tired of maining support because climbing through silver as a support is hell. I'm 200 IP away from 6300. What jungler should I buy?

I have Amumu, Eve, Lee Sin, Yi, Naut, Nunu, Panth, Rengar, Sion.

Sejuanni is another version of Amumu and I'm staaaaarting to understand gragas. I'd learn Amumu first, he's amazing and easy to learn, but you really want Vi. She's great at initiating, ganking, farming, and in fights she will LOCK DOWN and explode that ADC that's wrecking your shit. In most games you'll fill a tank initiator role, so I'd build triforce then full tank on her (cinderhulk plus passive makes her beastly). If you can get away with more damage she's insane, but she's worth more with some tank stats to most comps. At worst the extra shield scaling off health is worth picking up AD/Health items.

Vi is just a fun jungler. Probably my favourite. I wonder how she plays in lane...

[Oman]

Lets not be dramonic boys

[Oman]

I build ardent on Sona a lot. She's healing 2 people every fight, and healing a lot. She loves the AP and adores the mana regen. It might be wrong, but I've never had a problem and felt like that item was the issue.

[Oman]

I believe Zito when he says he'll probably be really OP and I don't really like the design of the champ really at all. Too much power creep.

These are my opinions.

Ekko isn't bad, he's interesting. Having to think six seconds ahead is awesome, but he just feels really too strong. He's got way too many options. AoE CC, Shield, heal, displacements for days. I REALLY don't like him having a double dash like that, I'd prefer to see him have ONLY the blink-on-attack so that it doesn't add to his positioning and safety options.

[Oman]

I think a bulky AP Ekko is going to become the norm.

In midlane or as semicarry toplane (a'la lisandra)?

[Oman]

Bronze 2. On the climb train. Chu chu.


I EL OH VEE EEE LOVE Jinx. Build standard AD with a focus on crit, stand at the back of the fight, select rockets, and watch them EXPLODE INTO MILLIONS OF CRIT DAMAGES. She's got everything. I love her. She's amazing. Maybe she'll get me to BRONZE ONE, but no rush on that one.

[Oman]

Don't need one in league of tanks I'm getting solid peel across the board. With her range, chompers, and passive, so long as you initiate the fight, I think you're good.

[Oman]

Thank fucking god.

[Oman]

Vi is a better option then.

[Oman]

Vi is AD!

SHYVANNA! FUCK YEAH!

She's ad but has magic damage out the butthole. If you don't need the hard CC she's amazing.

[Oman]

I've been trying to build a 100% crit jinx for funzies. I'm finding it hard to make it work without sacrificing too much.

[Oman]

Eh I feel like that's giving up a lot. I haven't really tried it starting with runes though (I'm embarassingly bad at rune setup).

[Oman]

And Vi. Amumu for magic dmg, Vi for physical.

[Oman]

My actual tip is: Crazy People Kill Babies.

This is your thought train as a jungle.
Countergank, Push a lane, Kills, Buffs. If you're down your camps (or big camps), run through that above to decide what to do.

[Oman]

Austrailia might actually be the worse region of league players.

Have you seen OPL? We're trash city man. Not to mention EVERYONE is playing on a million ping. We have shitty infrastructure. Not even the servers or anything, just our personal internets are terrible.


Also, we're not rude, you're just a soft cunt <3 Seriously though, Australian culture is so confrontational, our language sounds super rude even when it's not.

[Oman]

You wish, cunt. You even know where to find winnie blues or how to drink a new?

That said, I'm always keen to show another seppo the ropes. We'll turn you from a dopey cunt into a sick cunt in no time!

(i still switch my Australian on less than Brock does with his southern)

[Oman]

We know 7 words, but 6 of them are cunt.

[Oman]

God your comments on that thread. Just so standard LoL forum bullshit. Are you really that personally offended or what?

The question above, it's rhetorical. I honestly don't care why, I just a hate seeing that attitude all the time.

[Oman]

Yeah that's the one I'm referencing. Either way, don't be entitled to the game that is still exceptionally functional on one of the more humane ftp systems.

[Oman]

Yes. Free to play. Which chases monetisation through other means like aesthetic products.

That is what literally everyone understands free to play to be and you being snarky about it just because it has the word "free" in it (which it TOTALLY IS! You could play this whole game for zero dollars if you wanted to! You choose to pay because riot are actually really fucking good at being a business that makes a product that you want for a price you're willing to pay!)

You're not a fucking revolutionary, this is FTP economics 101. Riot are actually amazing at it, and that doesn't make them bad people or an evil business or omg Rito plz. Having a snarky scoff because they've made a product that is so AWESOME that people want to spend money on it is 10/10 dumb.

Jesus fuck, man. Why even play this game if you're too fucking good for it. Just sit at home and type blogs about how silly all these companies are for having a sound business model.

[Oman]

Totally dope! He's fun!

[Oman]

because of how much everyone spends on it.

That's what Free to Play means. Free to Play, with the option for microtransactions. Otherwise we'd just call it free. Free game.

I'm glad you get so much enjoyment from understanding what a phrase means.

[Oman]

Shyv into teemo is one of my favourites because everyone thinks his blind beats her aa reliance. Q is an aa reset. So you get blinded, aa (and miss), then q immediately, double aa right there. It's hawt. But yes, the key is to go in at 6,before he can lay shrooms with your doubled free armour/mr. With the extra damage on auto with burnout active you're good to go.

Before you go in, cs with e Spears.

[Oman]

Thanks for the wukong advice guys, he's a blast.

[Oman]

How do i beat him/what should I watch out for when playing him?

[Oman]

The funny part about this conversation is that there are multiple ways in which one can win because league is a strategically complex game with multiple viable strategies.

People with panzer's theories are the people who feel like they always carry games and if tehy don't it's someone else's fault.

[Oman]

I just think that 5 people on one team playing with that strategy is leading to A) a loss, and B) some toxic chat.

[Oman]

Because you have no leadership abilities and are probably not counter-productive to games ending.

Fucking. Hilarious.

[Oman]

He feels like a more movement oriented Braum and not one that I enjoy.

[Oman]

Does dev work on Vi?

Yes, but you lose so much. Vi gets a lot out of cinderhulk. She's naturally scales off health. Plus the burning aura. I don't rate devourer on her in any case

[Oman]

Like, a couple of times. She's more a quality of aa over quantity of aa lady

[Oman]

Denting Blows
PASSIVE: Every third basic attack on the same target deals bonus physical damage

So, I play Vi as a tanky teamfight initiator. Maybe it's just in how I play her, but she benefits from denting blows more because of the armour reduction it grants her team. And you're not actually waiting for AAs cause you can Q+aa+e(reset) and that gives your boys and girls the 20% reduction (That's what I meant by quality over quantity).

TBH, Devourer could work. Definitely. I still think you're giving up way too much that tanky Vi brings, especially with her passive. Buuuut I could imagine a Vi with a stack of AD doing 10% of target's health (+ everything else) every 2 aa's.


Also just started a game, they have two junglers cause someone wanted to jungle vayne and their rek'sai didn't trust her

[Oman]

The joke is that article is a made-up fact and JD fell for it.

[Oman]

Because I'm on OCE and I really only play between 12 and 5am, most of us know each other just because of how it works.

Apparently I have a reputation for making enemy bot laners shit themselves when I go adc.

But that's not the funny part.
There is a guy that only plays runeglaive amumu.
And he's really bad.

And so we started adding each other just so we can track when he's going in to queue so we can all try to avoid him.

I love late night OCE. Biggest thing I miss about not working shift work any more.

[Oman]

I'm getting really bored with sated WW to be honest. Sated Udyr is a nice refresher though.

[Oman]

... It shouldn't be?

Corki gets a lot(!) out of raw AD and isn't a big attack speed dude. BT is a better option.

[Oman]

Mmm I guess. I just feel like corki gets so much out of that passive in league of tanks. I dunno. I'm bronze 2.

[Oman]

I just had a game.

I don't really have words for it. I had just gotten bounced back to Bronze 3 (bouncing between 3 and 2 a lot over the last two weeks), and I was feeling kinda shitty, then in the pre-game team chat someone says "Oi, cunts. Can we hurry this one up, I want a maccas run." So we all start going full Straya and having a blast about it. "Get a 1/2 pounder you fuckin' skirt!" "Wait until breakfast you ponce." A real blast. We had so much goddamn fun, then we played the game, had a bit more banter, were losing MISERABLY early. Gold was pretty equal but we were down in power peaks and everything was rough. Someone makes another Straya joke and we're just all on the banter bandwagon again, having a fuckin' blast.

In the end, we end up winning, pretty convincingly. and in the post-game chat the other team are raging at each other. Literally telling each other to drink litres of bleach. Our team were just talking about what we were going to eat and how bard was a pussy for ulting everyone instead of letting us all get pentas and shit.

Just a great time, one that really made me happy, and reminded me how much fun this game can be when people just enjoy each other's company.

[Oman]

Talisman is amazing and I've been taking it on most of my supports. Sure there's more gold to be found elsewhere, but Talisman seems above and beyond either of the other two third tier items.

[Oman]

Ugh. Do not want meta teemo top lane.

[Oman]

if you suck at ADC the ADC you should pick is Caitlyn, IMO - she's literally designed to be the beginner ADC. her advantage is quite literally range.

If you suck at adc but you're a good mid pick graves.

Graves plays more like a mage than any other adc.

[Oman]

top lane is going to be the worst place in the world

Also yes.
This is my biggest fear because I hate it, but it's gonna mean assassins in mid are going to be a big thing without CC tanks up in top lane.

[Oman]

Yessssss

Yeah dawg. Talon for days.

[Oman]

top lane is going to be the worst place in the world

Also yes.
This is my biggest fear because I hate it, but it's gonna mean assassins in mid are going to be a big thing without CC tanks up in top lane.

I am talking about teemo+fiora

the bruiser changes aren't in yet

No what I mean is everyone will go teemo/Fiora. Then that will cause other people to go some kind of top lane killer thing to "counter" them. Then Dramonic will play talon, roam and just eat whoever doesn't control the wave correctly.

Seriously, I love two-tank wet-noodle top lane. I wish it would happen more.

[Oman]

Weekends on OCE are fucking HELLISH.

[Oman]

I've just uninstalled league.

That's what I mean by Hellish.

[Oman]

Can you only play on weekends?

Honestly i play whenever and just accept that at least half my team has some sort of problem doing the basics of playing league.

Yeah I refuse to be a part of it, tbh.

And yeah I can mostly only play on weekends due to Uni and work. I just...can't man. There's more than enough fun games around for me to waste time on pounding my head against this wall. I had good games, but they were 1 in 10. I had fun games, but they were 1 in 20.

[Oman]

I have been playing HoTS to detox from League and it's been pretty good. I'll prob come back to league, but I'm really enjoying this teamfight-focused game.

[Oman]

You have tried to justify reprehensible behavior, but you just come across as even worse.

[Oman]

I'd be happy with adcs being taken out of this "hard carry" lategame role and being given early game power in exchange for some of their lategame opportunities. The true advantage there is removing that kind of ticking-clock power from them would also mean you could feasibly NOT have an adc.

[Oman]

Ugh that is, it have a marksman. Having your tower wrecking sustained damage carry filled by something else.

[Oman]

I actually think that making adcs worse at taking turrets will let them be buffed in other ways that are more fun

That was kind of my point. I wasn't entirely sober when I wrote it.

Removed the eventuality that is ADCs smashing turrets, and give them some early game impact in return. Then give the whole game more diversity.

[Oman]

drunk league

Went ham.

[Oman]

Leona. Leona just brings SO much to a team.

Alistar is an amazing disengage tank, I prefer him over Janna for a lot of reasons.

[Oman]

Cam Alistair headbutt her out?

[Oman]

Last night I had 3 afks in a row. I'm not stomping around about ELO HELL or anything like that, just sayin' that night SUCKED.


On the plus side I laned well in every game, considering. Decided to start playing carry top laners more because my tanks just aren't dragging my teeam through anymore.

[Oman]

First game of the day. Fourth afk in a row but this guy was actually "lagging" and went 0/6 in the first ten minutes.

I'm now demoted. From 66-ish LP to demoted in four games with AFKs and feeders.

LEEEAGUE!

[Oman]

Second game. Soraka recalled while we did baron, then stood in base and danced while we got slaughtered in a 4v5. Our volibear immediately quit after that.


That's five in a row. Statistics are starting to hurt.

[Oman]

I did, dawg. I went to bed and everything.

5 games over the course of 24hours. Every one of them terrible.

I've been playing brothers instead. Less bad.

[Oman]

I can't really think of anyone more important than sivir in changing how the game was played this season. She made a lot of hard engage teams possible.

[Oman]

Skrew I'll tell you what no one else in league will:

That's okay. You're allowed to learn

[Oman]

i think i will exclusively play kennen for the next few months except when forced to adc/jungle

Adc kennen

[Oman]

i think i will exclusively play kennen for the next few months except when forced to adc/jungle

Adc kennen

I'm a fucking Nostradamus.

[Oman]

i can never be very responsive to an enemy team

Herein lay your problem.

Heimer isn't reactive. He's about zone control, objective control. He's about planting his feet in a patch of dirt and saying "this is mine, take it from me."

If you are trying to react to the enemy, you're always going to lose, you need to be PROACTIVE. Get their first, set up the turrets, get real. Heimer's usefulness in mid- to late-game teamfights I've found often comes in one of two flavours: Ult Rockets to pick off a squishy that gets out of position (because he can pretty much one-shot peeps with those), or an awesome 5 man ult-grenade. Plus the zone control stuff.


Overall, though, Heimer is about fighting on your terms vs fighting on theirs. If you're chasing them, they'll spank you up and down the map every time.

[Oman]

But yes, assuming you're playing Heimer top. Get a rylais.

[Oman]

If Galio's mana costs weren't so high, I think he'd be viable. But I'd hate to see him ever become universally useful.

Galio was my first love as a champion and I do hate how situational he is. The Roost idea is really good at giving him identity without nicheing him so hard.

[Oman]

doooope playz!

[Oman]

l

I've played a lot of malz (because assassins are always popular and malz is awesome against them), so seeing him being played a lot these days is really good for me. It's an excellent excuse to play more Olaf too.

[Oman]

He's also super immobile so your decision making needs to be pretty solid.

[Oman]

alking about champions requiring "skill" is arbitrary and dumb.

Shade Brigade strikes again.

[Oman]

I really need to get my wave management together. I can shove it so that it crashes into the enemy turret, that's the easy part, but how to I "bounce" (hearing this a lot at Worlds), and how do I "Pull" the wave towards me when the enemy laner is absent. If they're there, I just push the wave a little less than they do with my CS, and eventually they push it towards me, but if they're absent how do I move it to my side?

[Oman]

Right, thanks, I'll look into it. There's bound to be a million youtube tutes.

[Oman]

I couldn't find that video, Cabd. Anyone got any good recommendations for which videos to watch?

[Oman]

I was going to say before KScope that the idea that the freeze rewards me more than a roam will for them is rare in soloQ, especially bronze. Basically people have terrible map awareness and struggle to play safe, so a roam usually means a nice kill and a lane set back and etc etc.

[Oman]

How'd it go?

[Oman]

the first time I played azir (took a shit during champ select, had to emergency pick a mid and he starts with A) I went about 0/8. He's stupidly mechanically difficult and I'm not sure he actually does anything that I can't do better with another midlaner.

[Oman]

Also, free turrets are nice.

True that tho

[Oman]

I love maokai jungle, just saying. Maokai feels crazy OP and his biggest problem is that he can't trade with Darius and crew up top. So you just put him in jungle and everything is A-OK

[Oman]

panzer aren't you the guy who believes in "top lane bushido" and frown upon "teleport faggotry"?

aren't you also the guy who rather stomp noobs instead of playing against people at your level?

I honestly believe this is one of the twice-a-days for this particular stopped clock.

I very much dislike playing with duos as a solo because it affects the game in a remarkably meta sense. I'm not a fan.

[Oman]

CRAFTING HYPE

What is this I can't find data on this?

[Oman]

So, I heard you all like tentacles.

I know I sure do and will most likely pick up this champion and cry because I can't play her, only enjoying her for the aesthetic.

Quality post

[Oman]

Liandry's?

If they have tanks, Liandry's, otherwise yeah Ludens isn't a bad go I guess.

[Oman]

Well that's helpful...

[Oman]

Rammus, if my understanding of what you mean by "Supertank" is accurate.

[Oman]

Well. I just played my first preseason game.

I feel so lost.

[Oman]

Malz is great in bronze. Huge poke, wave clear, and he can lock down an assassin or fed member all on his very own. He's weakearly, but not in the "able to be bullied out" kind of weak because his space aids is just so punishing.

[Oman]

Are there really that many people that have to switch up computers so often that the in-game settings were frustrating?

Maybe not in middle-America, but I can imagine this to be a boon to anyone who plays in internet cafes. League is the #1 game in PC bangs in Korea (as of 2012).

This is a problem, it's just not a problem for you.

Edit: Zorastersniped

[Oman]

How do you beat mundo right now?

[Oman]

First Pentakill as brand. Holy shit he's terrible in 1v1s and small skirmishes, but jesus christ when that 5v5 breaks out and you get the chance to go ham and R the entire team....

PENTAKILL!

[Oman]

So after a game i just played of Sivir, where i basically stalled the game out till we were able to actually beat the enemy team (http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... b=overview), i've realized that i should be looking to have ADC's that are good at just flat out stalling games out, obviously Sivir is one with her waveclear, are there any other ADC's that have waveclear like Sivir's that i'm not thinking of?

Jinx, Tristana both good, especialy because after the stall they're omg amazing.

[Oman]

Like, Trist is never going to have midlane mage levels of waveclear, but it's PRETTY GOOD for an ADC. I'm not listing the best waveclear in the game, I'm listing solid choices for an ADC when waveclear is important.

[Oman]

Varus

Varus is no one's best bet. I want him to work and he just WONT.

[Oman]

I try to climb but feeders gonna feed afkers gonna afk and wins are gonna give half as much lp as i lose for a loss

Everyone's fault but yours.

[Oman]

IT'S ALMOST LIKE EXCEPTIONS TO RULES EXIST. WHOAAOAOAOAOOAOAOAAAA.

Golden post

[Oman]

3 * AFKs in placements. Yaaay

Anyway, bronze V again. Lets hope I git gud

[Oman]

I think building Devourer and then on-hit is kinda standard for her.

Depends. She's also a great cinderhulk candidate. I usually push Shyv into Dev, BoTRK or Titanic Hydra into full tank. One of the things I love about Shyv is how many roles she can fill and how many different ways you can build her.

She's a diver, you kind of need her to stay alive for a while. Yeah she gets free stats but building tank for your last 3 or 4 items achieves more.

[Oman]

I am the Venn diagram of cuddles and vitriol

Most accurate post we've seen in this thread.

[Oman]

If walking forward isn't an option, press E

[Oman]

Ashe and Sivir are definitely better this patch. Sivir's winrate especially skyrocketed.

Sivir feels amazing right now.

[Oman]

Sure mate.

[Oman]

Supports have possibly the biggest play making potential in the game. They are the ones who set up vision, get catches, peel for the adc, and do countless other things

This is the problem. Every one of those "plays" requires someone else to do some work at a level of competency. I've set up vision all day just to watch the enemy on the map collapse on the split pushing adc and kill them. I've made picks just to to have my team focus the tank and get aced.

The core problem with support is that good supporting can go unrewarded much more than a good mid, so less people play support, so they're worse at it, so people trust supports less, so it goes unrewarded more and the cycle continues.

I play tanks and support classes in every game cause I GET force multiplication. But in league I'm just sick of supporting teams who don't watch their map and don't know when to go in on my engages or run on my disengages. When I support I play brand or lux because if my adc is trash I can at least wrest some control.

[Oman]

%

Someone doesn't quite understand how percentages work.