Micro 1079 - dividing connor (small hood)

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There's pretty much no point in using hood chat since small hood scum can just paraphrase in the scum chat unless we lim small hood scum with two small hood town still alive in which case it's only usable during that night

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Invisibility who's your partner?

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can you rephrase this? I don't follow

Scum have scum chat so anything that's posted here will be known by everyone in small hood + the big hood scum, all posting here does is prevents big hood town from seeing it. It's only when the small hood scum dies that this becomes hidden from scum but at that point scum shoot the two small hood town (since they're confirmed town at that point).

In other words, it's only useful after the small hood scum gets limmed but before a small hood town gets shot (i.e. a single night)

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Actually nvm there is one case where big hood town not knowing what's being posted here is good and that's if for some reason we decide to do an extended quickhammer (I don't know

why

we'd want to do that but it's there as an option)

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The optimal way to use this hood is to post memes

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or maybe we should rock paper scissors between the 3 of us in the small hood and the loser gets limmed no questions asked

Ok I threw rock, what about the rest of you?

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origami scissors

Can I change my throw to gun?

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I feel like yessiree not participating in this jovial atmosphere is scum motivated

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Like if you look at 22-27, 32-33 people missed out on RVS because the very first post was serious but still wanted to be silly. Yessiree being silly in the main thread but not here feels significant

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Like if you look at 22-27, 32-33 people missed out on RVS because the very first post was serious but still wanted to be silly. Yessiree being silly in the main thread but not here feels significant

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gah I forgot the post tag doesn't work that way, 22-27 and 32-33

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[usesPython]

Imagine getting outed as scum because your meme folder is empty, I don't think I'd be able to recover from that

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I'm not sure how relevant that is though considering Yessirree also could just be like, totally unaware of what's going on in here since he didn't egopost lol

That kind of boring optimization fits my profile of scum anyways though, like letting the hoods be obviously randed like that sounds like something Nameless would come up with that I'd have to veto because of how boring it sounds

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If yessiree were here to have fun with the hood mechanics why not ego here?

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such rapaciousness!

No idea what that means but I agree!

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Sky we've been double checking your mod notes math, keep up the good work

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@yessirree be silly NOW

LOL get me drunk first

Were you drunk in the main thread when you posted 78?

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Y'know since scum decided to be boringly optimal this game I'm thinking we do the same but without the boring by using the hood to pool our votes on people.

Like as long as we all agree to vote as a group if we get two people here to agree to a vote we can force the small hood scum to either use their vote in a pro-town way or get outed as scum and the ability to arbitrarily throw down 3 votes on people is pretty strong pressure wise

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Anyone y'all want to wagon with that move? Big hood wise I'm down to wagon Dan/Cakez/STD

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is that more optimal? I think ultimately the lim has to be one of us

The lim's probably gonna be one of us but the wagons and pressure will still be useful for sorting + generating associatives, if our 2nd or 3rd lim is the scum lim I think we're gonna have some problems going into 4v1/2v1 if we completely ignore the big hood d1

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I like the idea 90% cuz it's funny

Gotta inject the fun back in the game

That kind of boring optimization fits my profile of scum anyways though, like letting the hoods be obviously randed like that sounds like something Nameless would come up with that I'd have to veto because of how boring it sounds

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ouch, do u think i'd be

that

boring

Yes

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[usesPython]

Well more accurately I don't think either of you would be boring enough to suggest it but I think the big hood scum suggested it and one of y'all were boring enough to go along with it

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I'm down as soon as we figure out a name

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ActionDan perhaps?

wait but I kinda wanna wait when we are all here before doing it

Same

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we're probably unlike to get anything of value from cakez or dragons tho

Why do you think this?

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Also what do we think would be funnier, three naked votes or three wallposts on why we're all individually voting that person?

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I feel like co-ordinated naked votes would make the funniest reactions

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ngl I feel like Invisibility lurking in the hood rn instead of making any sort of post about Operation: Wagon is scum motivated in that he's waiting for his partner to come back online

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This is so sad, can we hit 50 likes?

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Actually nvm there is one case where big hood town not knowing what's being posted here is good and that's if for some reason we decide to do an extended quickhammer (I don't know

why

we'd want to do that but it's there as an option)

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yessiree come join the darkside

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someone hammer before Invis gets back LOL

Limming in the big hood

does

have a 100% town win rate tbf

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[usesPython]

UNVOTE:

So no d1 win then?

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was I supposed to sort of say what was going on in the main thread like had I not foolishly bumbled the jig would've been up anyway

I think the jig's up anyways

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[usesPython]

Hey it's against the rules to out your Cult Leader like that

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lol I just realized I have more posts here than in the main thread, guess this is how to solve my hyperposting

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Yeah I'm still maintaining my standard 25% thread presence ratio. Wish the big hood members would post more I'm kinda getting nothing from them when they're like this

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and I didn't want someone to derp hammer and end the day yet, a lot of big hood players haven't fully gotten into this game. I'm still good with giving them a bit more time

Ah, so Merlyn's your partner I see

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Hey Invis I'm pretty sure you're the other town here and it also looks like yessiree's prob not gonna get limmed without some work, you down to do a coordinated quickhammer if he hits E-2 today?

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no lol

boo, you down to do a co-ordinated quickhammer on me if I hit E-3?

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why would I want to do that and what happened to betraying the trust of the small hood

The fact that both you and yessiree have forgotten about hood chat and missed shit means town can do that since both of you can't be scum, I think your missingness is townier than yessiree's though

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I'm not sure how relevant that is though considering Yessirree also could just be like, totally unaware of what's going on in here since he didn't egopost lol

Can I get an update on this after yessiree's continued meming in the main thread with stuff like 296 and still hasn't been funny here?

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plus Yess has been mostly serious in the main thread recently anyway

I don't think this is a good thing though, since he's still joking around in the main thread occasionally but never in the small hood I think it actually makes it weirder. Small hood we've got a steady collection of memes and jokes he can jump into, main thread has been pretty serious. idk how to explain it but it feels like there should be more inertia to doing that in the main thread compared to here and there's definitely value for scum!yessiree to be pocketing people through that kind of persona while also not caring about doing the same to small hood since he'd have to lim all of us anyways

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I reserve the right to say I told you so in postgame

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Spoiler: Resizing memes is a pain on laptop

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The thumb tag has made me more powerful than you can possibly imagine

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Invis need your honest assessment here, if I flip being adamant that yessiree is small hood scum due to hood posting can you use that to get a yessiree lim afterwards or do you think you're in danger of being limmed in that scenario?

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mmmmmaybe? If you flip town your assessments probably gain credibility

I'd prefer to lim in the big hood d1 but if it's iffy it's probably better to lim small hood d1 even if I get limmed just to ensure we don't lose in 5p ELO

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why would you prefer to lim in the big hood?

d1 is the only day that big hood scum can't get limmed without losing the game, I want to take advantage of that to help with solving the game later

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Like none of us have really interacted that much with Merlyn/STD/Aureal/Cakez in an associative way, pretty much all of us had a problem with Dans mindmeld, and the only person here that had a problem with Flavor is me and that doesn't help us in figuring out who big hood scum is through associatives because I'm town

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Too late for that, there is no consensus big hood lim, also I feel like python are just saying that since they are on borrowed time

Anyone getting limmed in big hood was probably gonna get mislimmed later anyways, it's only beneficial for scum!Python if we can endgame in 5p ELO. Unironically what's the scum motivation here

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Like this is such a bad take, if I was wagoning a lurker slot you'd have maybe had a point but I'm not even doing that

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Simple. Scum survival mode, obviously scum!python would rather not be limmed on day 1 and pushing the lim in big hood achieves that since you are most likely the lim in small hood

Are we playing the same game? Scum win by getting 3 mislims (or 2 mislims if small hood scum endgames), if I'm on the chopping block in a bus heavy setup my priority as scum sure as shit isn't gonna be a survival that doesn't advance my win condition

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Like wtf is this shitpush, small hoods scum only job in this setup is to not spew big hood and any mislims in small hood are only a bonus

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How likely does town!flavor leaf push town!you like he did or are you still pretty confident he is scum shitpushing?

town!flavor doesn't exist this game

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Too late for that, there is no consensus big hood lim, also I feel like python are just saying that since they are on borrowed time

Also why tf did you think I asked Invis if he can get a lim through on you, lack of consensus doesn't matter if I can force one to be made through a d2 flip on me

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Wait nvm misread that but the lack of a consensus big hood lim is actually optimal anyways for d1

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Simple. Scum survival mode, obviously scum!python would rather not be limmed on day 1 and pushing the lim in big hood achieves that since you are most likely the lim in small hood

Are we playing the same game? Scum win by getting 3 mislims (or 2 mislims if small hood scum endgames), if I'm on the chopping block in a bus heavy setup my priority as scum sure as shit isn't gonna be a survival that doesn't advance my win condition

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of course u'd say you wouldn't do the scum thing

a mislim is a mislim and it directly advances the scum wincon, in what scenario does scum only need 2 mislims to win? im not seeing it

I was gonna say 5p ELO but then I realized I can't count, yeah it's 3 mislims to win. And no, a mislim isn't a mislim because anyone getting mislimmed today would've been mislimmed at a later day if they live that long, risking creating more associatives to stay alive for something that doesn't further scum!Pythons wincon is actively counterproductive

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no? if you lim scum in small hood day 1 the other 2 functionally become ICs and aren't ever getting limmed; scum is forced to shoot them
whereas a mislim in small hood gives more leeway for scum to select their kill in the big hood to setup their ideal endgame 3p lilo

There's a pretty big if there, I don't have the skills to change peoples reads on me regardless of alignment so all limming big hood in a scum python game does is change which order the lims happen. Also you were literally talking about a big hood mislim so I don't see how small hood mislims have any relevance here

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Like wtf is this shitpush, small hoods scum only job in this setup is to not spew big hood and any mislims in small hood are only a bonus

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less of a shitpush than you scumreading me for not posting memes in the hood

This is pretty reductive. You scumreading me for my scumplay is a bad push because you're assuming that not only would I take suboptimal moves as scum, but that I'd take actively counterproductive moves that'd work against my wincon regardless of if those moves succeed or not. My scumread on you is based on the dissonance in the persona you're presenting in hood chat vs main thread that makes your main thread posting feel like it lacks genuineness, and I don't see how it's any more a shitpush than any other tonal read.

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from my pov the order matters a lot if you're scum, shifting the lim from small hood to big hood means you're shifting away a potential scum flip on ur slot, which is massive +ev for scum wincon

In what world am I not the first small hood to get flipped rn? We'd have to spend the entire game mislimming big hood for it to be +EV compared to big hood bussing scum Python and shooting small hood
(6/3 d1 start
4/3 d2 start
2/3 d3 start)

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see that makes no sense to me
why would i fluff post more in the main thread and not here? what purpose does fluff posting in main thread serve other than reduce my signal-to-noise ratio and get potentially scumread for it when i could be buddying up u 2 in the small hood by meme posting here

I don't actually know and I don't think I need to know. My main problem here is that fluffposting is pretty much autonomic for town and so even if I don't actually know what the strategy for scum!yessiree would be the fluffposting in main where people are serious but no fluffposting in hood where we're not serious creates dissonance that I wouldn't expect to see in a town!yessiree game. Like in a town!yessiree game I'd have either expected a lack of fluffposting in main or I'd have expected fluffposting in hood too (or even fluffposting in hood and seriousposting in main), this kind of reversal isn't something I can see a reason for if you're town

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UNVOTE: Oclax
VOTE: yessiree

I get the feeling there's about to be even less consensus on the big hood

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Predicting that Oclax will hammer us off of this, don't think it'll be AI for them though

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It's a little depressing we all know I'm dying Night 1 here.

Hey yessiree, just imagine the funny WIFOM if you kept them alive. It's not like you can kill them before they reassess anyways since they still have hood chat to give reads to overnight

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it's +ev for scum because a scum flip in small hood day 1 forces scum to shoot in small hood instead of big hood
meaning they are unable to kill off protown players and also i reason i outlined above

Only protown bighooder is Flavor, more than enough kills to do Flavor -> rest of small hood with a small hood scum flip

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And unless you're claiming Flavor is my partner it's literally strictly optimal to bus scum!Python here BECAUSE scum can't kill more than one big hooder, it gives them a reason to be alive by 3p ELO

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btw if y'all want to confirm to the main thread specific hood posts now might be the last chance to do so because in a 1v1 scum can just lie and make up posts/say a post never happened

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maybe I haven't been clear enough that someone should just hammer Python right now. Wagoning Oclax was funny but I feel ok with what we got out of it but we should definitely just go for the

1/3

especially from my perspective!

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"especially from my perspective" cuz it's a 1/2 duh

So why say 1/3?

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tbh I think Python is right here but it's not gonna happen

You don't think an Oclax wagon can go through? Aureal + you + Merlyn'd be enough to push it through

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is Aureal amenable to it though

Pretty sure she'd go for it at this rate

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is Aureal amenable to it though

Pretty sure she'd go for it at this rate

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So if you wanna do it you have until Cakez hammers to swap wagons

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