Newbie 1733: Mafia Boot Camp Mafia Topic

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OH HO HO HO
So it begins.
I'm going to be honest, this is my first time playing scum, literally.

Day strategy, it's seems the both of us seem to have general town leans, so I think we should just keep on doing what the both of us have been doing. If you get in a bad position during the day, I will most likely try to reason myself onto your wagon to get some town cred, so please don't hesitate to do so if I'm the one to be in the bad position.

As for the night..... first, a question, Mod Lord UTL. Are we allowed to not act at all, so no nightkilling and no roleblocking? Because I have something devious in mind >:3

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I can barely read my own text.


THAT'S BETTER.

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Two more question? If we were to target the 1-shot bulletproof, would we know that we did? Or would only the bulletproof be alerted of his/her new un-bulletproof status. If I were to roleblock the bulletproof, would I render the bulletproof unusuable?

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INTERESTING

My logic for the idea that I had fell through because I misunderstood how the jailkeeper works.

Well. Gear, when you get here, this is what I am currently thinking.

As much as I don't want to have this setup, because I just played it in my previous game, but I think we could have Cop/Doctor doctor setup. riktus looks like a potential power role that could fit the bill of Cop or Doctor. He's been laying low for the majority of this game and hasn't stuck his neck out too much, but just doing enough to garner town cred. But I can't tell which, nor can I tell the other potential candidate. Eiralox is probably VT, and serra as well. But beyond that, I'm unsure.

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It was his #166 that gave me that the feeling that he was not afraid of putting his neck out. He has not been afraid to let everyone know what he thinks of them. He willingly expressed an intent to hammer Vax, which tells me that he was not afraid of being put on the spot. Also, this line from #291:

-Would like Vax to give comprehensive reads after coming in, especially focusing on keyen and TNE/Lii patterns

It was passive aggressively confirmation bias-y to me, which I don't think a cop nor a doctor would resort to. Also, I agree that the statement that you posted from Eiralox was just too obvious of a crumb.

It's ultimately just a feeling. There's no way for me to exactly deduce one's thought process

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I agree with the RB onto riktus.

I don't think we should be killing any of the currently arguing trio (serra/vax/shadow). It seems more likely that they will knock of themselves out rather than anyone not part of that trio. I would say the Nightkill should be going to NJAC. I was going to say Eiralox as well, but if there is a doctor/jailkeeper, it seems more likely that Eira would be protected instead rather than NJAC.

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Okay, since we both seem to be in agreement with the ritkus RB....

Reso roleblocks riktus.

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Awesome. Well, then UTL, feel free to lock up this thread whenever. I do believe all conversation for this Night in this thread is over now.

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AH WAIT

I suppose that while we still do have time, that if someone does decided to suddenly/subtly change their vote onto us, we should be assuming that they are cop.

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OKAY THEN. I really wish you didn't hammer so early, before Vax posted.

So while the possibility that you are going to be lynched exists because of said hammer, I don't think serra scanned you. Because if he did, wouldn't he have opened the day with at least some form of subtle nod that you are scum? Instead he opened the day with his usual 'vote scum for 2016' spiel. I think you should be making this argument yourself

Still, there's a good chance that people will jump onto you.


However, since the cop is now dead, I propose that we don't kill anyone and put the game in a MyLo (Mislynch or Lose) state. If town doesn't think much of it, they have a lower possibility of lynching scum (a pool of 3 town/2 scum if we do this, compared to a pool of 2 town/2 scum if we do nightkill). But if town does catch on, it's an easy way of gaining a small amount of towncred by proposing to No Lynch, presenting why that is the best way to go, and make scum have to lynch else be forever stuck in ...and they all lived happily ever after.

Of course, this would all depend on Our Beautiful Doggy Overlord UpTooLate. So dearest Doggy Overlord, if the game was presented with this situation, what type of mod are you? Because I've seen games where town was forced to lynch, where scum was forced to nightkill, or the game ended in a draw?

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Okay, fair enough. I'm a bit of a risk taker when it comes to scum actions. But I can understand with your reasoning. Then we'll go for the night kill.

I don't have anything to recommend. It sounds pretty sound to me.

I will still be roleblocking riktus. No one else's behavior has popped out to me as possible doc yet again.

I think Vax is the kill to go. The way serra insisted on Vaxkiller being town Day 2 without any explanation of it does make me think that Vax was his Day 1 scan. Better to eliminate a 'confirmed' townie, methinks.

On the off-chance that Vax is protected this night, I'm gonna go with the argument that we shouldn't be lynching for the day.

Reso roleblocks riktus

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The nice thing about this game is that everyone has opinions that are everywhere.

Eira suspects shaddowez and Vax.
Shaddowez suspects riktus and, to an extent, Vax.
riktus suspects shaddowez
Vax is the only outlier, because I'm still not sure to whom he suspects.

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Hmmm... I don't know what to think about that.

I don't quite object, because I think it's a good idea that we should be publicly holding different mindsets and showing it. But I'm not quite getting the logic behind it. I'm not seeing the believability to it. Where are you pulling the two confirmed townies from? And where did you pull the 66% from? In a no-nightkill situation, with two 'confirmed' townies and still no dead scum, wouldn't there be a 50% chance of hitting scum instead?

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To add on to my previous comment, I'm not sure if that 50% will be enough to satisfy enough people to vote for someone.

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Hmm.... Okay, I see where you went with this.

YET ANOTHER OFF-CHANCE. On the off-chance that nightkill does not happen AND doctor does claim, then I will refute by saying that it was entirely possible that the mafia just voted to No Lynch. I'll even go ahead and link to one of my most earliest games on this site, where I played mafia in a newbie game, and did just that (this is the game in question, I am WianaotBrriarNod; before either one of you two with access to this thread go ballistic and call me out for having an alt account, that was my very first account on this website, and I forgot about its existence and made another account, and some technical difficulties happened with said multiple accounts, but I had it all cleared up with zoraster).


Also, here is an interesting idea you should keep planted in your head.

Remember that serra was cop. And serra had voted for shaddowez for the majority of Day 2, without much additional comments about said vote. It could be a little tricky, but I think it could be worked out that serra had scanned shaddow, got a scum result, and decided to go with it unconditionally. We also work out his interaction with your and his eventual vote onto you as fishing for the other scum. But like I said, I think it requires a specific environment, and therefore qualifies as tricky. The possibility still exists though.

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No Lynch.

I meant No Nightkill

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Ah shit, that's right. He did. Damn.

Okay, well that's one dead idea then.

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I don't think we have anything else to talk about.


Just as a recap, in the scenario that Vax does not get nightkilled, I will push for a No Lynch and explain that it's statistically better for town to do so.

In the additional scenario that the doctor also claims with the lack of nightkill, I will insist that his claim proves nothing because it's entirely possible that mafia could have just not done a night kill, and if needed, I will link that old game of mine as an example of mafia doing so.

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Ah. And UpTooLate, when the game comes to an end, I am totally okay with you sharing this topic with the others.

And if you don't mind me asking, does a dead topic exist as well? >:3

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Feel free to post your own recap (or not).

I'll see you passively in during the third day.

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Hmm... a coordinated hammer. I could roll with that. It's a bit on the dick-ish side of actions, but it's a clear and easy win. But I would think town would be ultra-careful about their votes because of the situation, so I personally don't think it's going to happen. In the case that it does happen (with the exception of tomorrow because I have a job interview that a bit far away that I need to attend), I am usually awake this time as well. Right around now would be 1:00-2:00 UTC-7 for me. We could do it then.

I do agree that you would be on the defensive after that hammer.

While I'm fine with voting for shaddowez, I may catch some flak for voting for him because I did post in the game that I suspected shaddowez if serra flipped scum, and riktus if serra flipped town. But given the towncred that I have, I don't think it's impossible for me to find a way to do it.

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In the end, I think it's fine that we both act our separate ways once more. I was merely speculating on what problems may arise.