Mission 2a - The Fire and Brimstone Job

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Obviously. I looked that up as well xd
Do you mind if froot and I post with our mains?

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PV is very likely town
Due to a mod error it wasnt changed, im handling it now

I had missions
But everyone commandeered me on who i should take
I had little time and i was so pissed i didnt bother relooking at stats and stuff, i just reassigned missions.

I'm sorry but i think you can understand my perspective

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I tried
And i gave up

Ive done some statistics, its really hard to lose missions, even with all stats at 2 or 3, so it doesnt matter anyway. These missions are just a treat for us.

I find it kinda funny that this is our second game together and it is also the second time i invite you to a pt with me xd
And i think you are town so that completes the picture

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Im town as well (although i really wanted to draw scum; so far ive only been scum once and i hate being town)

-they could be striking astral...wouldnt it be safer for you to leave it then?
-im tired of the karnos discussion as thats a horse beaten to death already. We'll see about that tomorrow, but i actually believe in mathblade being town. House is just tunneling for some reason.
-thats interesting...but i dont think SC was part of any pt?
-thats a rather drastic idea, and i think you might be wrong...the game would be unbalanced like that imo
But you could be right, my role makes sense for either alignment

Drixx joined matrix and karnos was aware since he can read pt's
Although it makes little sense to let vigs guess if they can see who is in the pt's...
I agree jae is town, obviously


Wanted to post this yesterday but internet died^

Yes, that was the mod error. It can't be fixed, but it will be publically announced at daystart, luckily.

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Okay.
Still, I believe math is town. Jaereed was in their last mission, and i thought i read somewhere that math suggested to cop karnos. I would't do that as scum tbh. The vig - okay, if they are scum they are scumclaiming by not vigging, but would you vig him with a wacky reputation already if he was your scumbud? I'd shoot someone else and have the town clean up 2 scum members the next two days; I believe math will get lynched anyway within the next 2-3, anyway.


Btw, karnos claimed to be able both PT's at any time, so it's not some night action i think (but yeah, hes confscum why trust his claim)
The vig was done because karnos could jailbreak (we still dont know how it works) so we just decided that mathblade should ue the gun tonight, sinc it completely kills karnos AND we get a flip.


Pedit: could be...
Im designing a 28 player 5+ faction game as well now so lol
Gistou style, but more balanced

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@mod

FA said:
I want you to ask mods to announce there was a minor mod error at night start that we shouldn't talk about or whatever. just the confirmation there was something from their sides. this might affect the amount of townread I have about you

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Thanks mods


Karnos didnt claim jailbreaker, but i dont trust those jailbreak mechanics as i dont know them, so i prefer to have confscum dead instead of jailed.

The cop is definitely town. The vig less so. But math's scumhunting is better and more than most other imo

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You dont know if the vig is imaginary.
And if it doesnt materialise we have ANOTHER confscum

I really dont think its that bad
+now we also lynched random who also was a rather questionable player

Fun fact im now alone in the matrix; it might be safer to leave it as well?

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Fight is 2-2-5
Perception is 5-5-2 so i think thats where we should go again

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Lmao we had a drug dealer and have a porn dealer
10/10 flavor

VOTE: observe

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Ok i looked at our stats for this and the previous and im very sorry for picking this mission

Our demolition and combat skills suck ass

This is why i like tobe in active pt's; people can tell me not to do stupid things because im angry

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I think there are bigger odds of survival if he can join a pt since both kills and docs have to specify a pt
Logical nightkill choices are not only jaereed tbh
If i were scum i wouldnt kill jaereed because hes a key flip
His death would change a lot of reads imo (most likely on math-abr-worldz)
I would go for low info flips like klingon, house, worldz to some extent

And since yume very obviously softed doc twice or so, i wonder why you are still alive.

I didnt send any message last night and i doubt i will this night
My role is shit and i have nothing to hide or discuss

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I say it here because i trust you and jae
I trust math as well
Pv and abr but less

I dont trust house
I dont trust klingon
And i DEFINITELY dont trust worldz


Pedit and youre doing it again...

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I think pv and abr are both town and they will be kept alive if they are
I think house could be scum but mathblade is a possible mislynch in the near future so he will likely live if hes town as well
If pv/mathblade/jaereed/you are scum, which i doubt, i wont die either because ive been pretty much been hard defending them

Klingon is a no info kill
Worldz is mislynchable if hes town, and if abr is scum hes just a pawn that can be kept alive

You are a doc and dangerous for scum so you are the most viable kill for acum again

Pedit1: do you think there is a mole on the missions? If so, who?
Pedit2: saying what i want to say right before i say it
You did that in hunger games too
It was one of the reasons i neighborized you there

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Wat
Why are you valuable jae? You are obvtown
And how much did you exchange with mathblade that you thought it was a great idea to share your roles and stuff?

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Do you think scum can sabotage a mission they are not on?
I think that both of you are town and we passed the first part already

I doubt this mission will be messed with, but we'll see.

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We will see about them
We cant hear about the other mission until tomorrow anyway
I like to believe D&D is town but im unsure

Pedit: i dunno, i think they pushed karnos and space cowboy a bit?
Although space cowboy is town imo
There wasnt a single decent agrument against them yet they were almost lynched

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Possibly yes

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I think there was scum on both
Not neccesarily the same scum

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I dont know...
There is so much that makes me believe math is town

There is less that makes me believe d&d is


Ps: the game is messed up already imo
If i have to doubt about that too rn im going insane
Ill doubt when there is more shit on them


Like, i dont trust 3 players AT ALL right now

If i have to hunt them down AND defend PV AND worry about mathblade...

So far there is more that makes him town than scum imo.

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Jaereed
Myself obviously
Mathblade

Mybe pv


Oh and i dont mind lynching KC

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We can all claim if you want.
I trust you and jae
I'll go first

But if you dont trust me enough for that its fine

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I doubt they do
There has to be SOMETHING safe
And if the party leaders choose the right people they have a 1night neighborhood

But yeah to be 100% sure, you are right


Pedit: i was offline at the time i think

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The other was koggz
And i still think there is some other jailbreak thing, there is no way only 2 players with an ability can escape

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What if a certain mission triggers it?
There is a mission called demolitions, the other party is running it. What if they are destroying a prison wall?

Dead players and jailed players still influence the game, as said in the OP. What if, when there are enough players dead/imprisoned, they can break out?

There is so much unknown, and i dont think you cause a jailbreak

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Jae and i are extremely charismatic
You are okay-ish

So please, media.

And yes FA, but that means we have to lynch jae first
That gives little info
He can be killed while in jail i think
And it gives scum a free nightkill

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LOL
questioning the mod instead of just agreeing
We are mocking aztech, why wouldnt that be awesome


Pedit: doesnt change anything

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Lmao the first part was you questio ing the 'that doesnt change anything'
The second part was about jae

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Lmao ofc
that girl looks wicked

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VOTE: media

Lets end the adventure so we can discuss what jae wanted to discuss

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Yes lol charisma is 6-6-4
There is no way to lose that

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Statistically speaking, with those stats we roll 8 passes on average
And we need only 3

So we are well in the safe zone

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Lmao i wanna see me as well

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a cathegory is killing, protective, investigative...right?
Does killing also prevent from nightkilling?

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stopping actions is only for 1 night, right?

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I dont know
We cant shut down kills because mathblade vigging karnos
I dont know who is scum for sure so shutting a random player out is wasting it


The pt's mentioned were astral and matrix
I hope scum doesnt have day chat tbh, that gives them a lot of power

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We could shut down all blocking abilities

Or we do the pt thing on klingon/any other scumread

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Okay
Ill wait for jae but it seems the best idea

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Oh okay
I thought it had a phase delay for some reason

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Its more likely to have a roleblocker but this is a democracy so you are free to tell me which one you think is better

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Jailkeeper?
Wait a sec

if i choose to block blocking, will the protection part of a jailkeeper also get blocked?

We need protection
Oh and jae, if we choose to block blocking, send mathblade a message. They shouldnt be assuming they found scum if they jailed someone and a kill didnt go through

I dont think im aware of other roles to send it to, but i doubt we have a jk and a rb

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But you aren't, grovyle didn't flip mason.
Probably there are a few people with useful roles that send a message with their role
A bit friendly neighbor style

I wont since its completely useless, im just filler and maybe even slightly role miller ish

Pedit: okay thanks

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So
Blocking blocking:
+ scum cant block math kill or other protown abilities
- math cant jailkeep so we effectively lose 2 way protection
Blocking redirection:
+its likely only scum would have redirector, so we are only likely blocking scum
- the odds of there being a redirector are rather low in comparation to roleblocker


For me either is okay
I think the doc part of jk being blocked is rather negative
But do we want to possibly waste this ability?

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Lmao nice walling but yeah
Flipping a coin is meh, i want to male sure i do the right thing

Identifying and protecting town was extremely frustrating, if i wasnt in a hydra with froot i had replaced out. I cant stand people just pushing random reads without telling anyone why. Its rude, bad and sometimes even scummy. AND PEOPLE EVEN SHEEP ABR


Was i lynchbait because i wasnt emotional enough D1? Wow.
Thing about me is that i always get emotional when im angry, and thats when im pushed for shit reasoning or when other people do stupid things and refuse to change their behaviour. I think i did pretty much okay without that much emotion in hunger games...
And i really didnt trust everyone townreading grovyle.


If you flip as town people will likely townread math more
But when that happens abr gets a backlash because of his behaviour towards math
And worldz' only 'trump card' is abr. Abr is the only reason worldz is alive.
If you flip scum (i dont think you will but whatever)
ABR gains a lot of credit on being right
Worldz' goes with that
And mathblade will get a closer look due to your interactions


My role is not important so ill just claim
I am a voyeur, which is often used as a scum role, which is why i could agree with FA's setupspec
N1 i targeted worldz because i didnt trust him but he only got the bounty
But i realized its a stupid idea to target people you dont trust so i think ill target mathblade to see if anyone messes with their shot

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RR did well imo
But obviously my 2 top townreads - koggz and RR - had to die
Koggz got modkilled, do you know how awful it is to lose your top townread because of a modkill?

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I can't heal scout unless he is already out of matrix pt before the night starts. so thats pretty much of the table.

Doesn't matter, if I die, you have my reads and general ideas.
I read abr as town though, and if he really is, scum might want to keep us alive because we keep disagreeing

URGH THIS GAME IS A MESS
i want flips

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This is somewhat a good idea though I think. Even with Math's jailkeeping thing. I have a theory about that anyways. I was thinking there's a possibility no one gave Math a gun, and that was them soft claiming another ability of theirs? If that's the case then the jailkeep wouldn't be used tonight. But that's just a theory I have.

Yeah I don't think both exist. If we end up ruling out blocking then we need to go with FA's thing if karnos doesn't flip. Which means Math can't know that roleblocking has been blocked. I suppose saying something was done specifically about jailkeepers last night to them might work?

if we are disbaling block we need to hide this till every other single detail claims. if anyone claimed to be blocked we can assume their flat out lieing. this also applies to mathblade. outing this info with messaging is stupid.

Probably...


But i think redirecting could be better
We have an extra heal which is rather important and useful, in a 12 player game 2 protectives are really strong
And if mathblade shoots someone else they cant lie about being redirected

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Urgh but blocking might help catching scum
I hate making important decisions, just give me a neighborizer and im happy

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Okay
I will block something and i wont message it

For 100% safety measures i wont say which one, but its either blocking or redirecting.
Okay?

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Ill send a mesage to someone that is not mathblade and someone who i trust with the info then

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Nope, those are not my targets. You aren't either. That's all I will disclose.

Do we have anything else to discuss?
Your reads maybe, fa?
What will be the course of action tomorrow?


Btw im rereading stuff, you gotta look at how klingon jumps on the math wagon D2
Its terrible

Pedit: tapping all messages is overpowere and takes away the use of it. It could have been a 1-shot spy, but then klingon already used it

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Thanks
Mine is in the main thread but ill update it if you want
Gotta go for now tho

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How?

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It doesn't make sense unless scum messed with it

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Or they had a critical glitch

Jaereed: do you know anything about this? Youve done another mission as well so maybe you have an idea

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You both are scum?
You as in house and D&D or me and D&D?

Because neither make sense

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Maybe

But just wait and hear their explanation
Your theory has a lot of guessing

Nonetheless this makes me doubt my D&D read

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The previous one

They could choose to ban a mission from being run

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They could choose to ban a mission from being run

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Not sabotaging
Deleting it from the list so it cannot be chosen in the first place

It could be useful for late game, when for example all roles with high charisma are dead, you can ban a mission with likely a lot of charisma
Its by far not as strong as this reward or the public cop but it can help a bit i guess

It was probably meant for that purpose and its likely rewards are tied to the missions

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But we didnt know the reward in advance
Maybe they dont either?

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Like
All rewards are protown so scum should sabotage as much as possible and run as few runs as possible

It can be that the other mission's reward can be useless as well, but we dont know
I think it would be rather odd of scum did know

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I dont understand the question :/ sorry

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I believe jaereed said that they were notified after their first choice that scum made it harder

But they succeeded anyway and got a reward

It could be that this time they sent the party leader to jail (which is susp bc people wanted abr there)
Or that they made it harder and PV glitched

That seems the most logical imo

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Im gonna sleep as well

Gnight

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the game is kindda lost if there were 5 scum starting players and none is already jailed.

ohhhh

it they couldn't sabotage the main mission that night so "It was neccessorry for them to be on the mission for doing it"

that means math is more likly towntown and there is scum in D&D , ABR , randomidget

Before i go

I think there is 4 or 5 scum
At best, one of menno-cowboy is scum, and random
That leaves 2-3 scum alive

17p
-2scum =15
-2dead town -modkilled - pv = 11 players
Lets say its 8-3
Karnos dead and 2 nightkills (like last night)
6-2
Thats not mylo yet, even with 2 nightkills
But if thats how it is tomorrow i doubt we should go on a mission, because if the same happens as to pv it could be mylo

^dont mind this i just want some numbers and its incredibly hard to do so without flips or knowledge of scum-town ratio

But i do believe there is scum in jail, at least random is. Karnos dies tonight as well if math is town, so thats 2 scum already gone. Its not as lost as you may think

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I will crumb and i will send a message to someoone you trust

I think timing has noting to do with it, koggz had to get some of her drugs with night effects submitted before day end. Like night actions with a day effect have to be submitted, i think actions withnight effects have to be submitted alongside the missions. It's impossible for the mod to keep up with everything in real time.

But thats just a theory, so i believe your paranoia.

And actually i wouldve fucked up this mission, sent jae to jail and accused you of it if i were scum. Jaereed is way more townread than PV and assuming hes town (he likely is) he would be an incredibly hard mislynch. Why would the scum team with me and me fix a guilty on D&D? Im not stupid lol

But again,thats just my word against yours. Ill crumb and send that message to someone in your top 2 or 3 tiers.

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2 do you mean N1?

3 ask the same question for this night as well
When as in: what stage were they in



Otherwise i agree, and i think youve got everything covered apart from who the kills are and why them