Team Mafia 2018: White Flag — Day Six
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Ranmaru Jack of All Trades
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
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This is another point about you that I should have brought up. The way you ask questions and generate content doesn't feel town to me. You pick some hyper specific detail that can't actually be that relevant to anything, then you ask someone to explain it. Then you hound them to explain it until they do, usually ignoring the fact that you'd know the answer if you had just been reading the thread. It reads like someone faking scum hunting to me.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Gamma Emerald AnySurvivorAny
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This is sensible. Like rather than be outraged at being mislynched he seems to be outraged at being outplayed.In post 3795, Shadoweh wrote:
I think people do get angry about being lynched over people they think are scum, I don't think this is the same thing.In post 3793, Thestatusquo wrote:You don't think players think about how likely they are to be ML? I definitely do.
It's like, pre-flip rage? in an "I played so much better then you" way. I'm basically saying it sounds like he doesn't think he's scum.
...who were we talking about again<Embrace The Void>
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You know this makes sense to me as well, I've gotten the feeling throughout the game he has been sending people out on little excursion to distract from actual scumhuntingIn post 3803, Thestatusquo wrote:This is another point about you that I should have brought up. The way you ask questions and generate content doesn't feel town to me. You pick some hyper specific detail that can't actually be that relevant to anything, then you ask someone to explain it. Then you hound them to explain it until they do, usually ignoring the fact that you'd know the answer if you had just been reading the thread. It reads like someone faking scum hunting to me.
See this is why I need people to give reasons for their town reads, because Im pretty much accepting anything here at this point<Embrace The Void>
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Shadoweh Idol Hands
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I was talking about Lickety, but did you have someone else you thought this applies to?In post 3804, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This is sensible. Like rather than be outraged at being mislynched he seems to be outraged at being outplayed.In post 3795, Shadoweh wrote:
I think people do get angry about being lynched over people they think are scum, I don't think this is the same thing.In post 3793, Thestatusquo wrote:You don't think players think about how likely they are to be ML? I definitely do.
It's like, pre-flip rage? in an "I played so much better then you" way. I'm basically saying it sounds like he doesn't think he's scum.
...who were we talking about againI HATE YOU SO MUCH PLEASE GO JUMP INTO A FREEZING LAKE - Mr. Freeze
And this was like me realizing that you were a serial killer. - Hathor
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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What I don't get is why it's necessarilyScummyto be self conscious. I happen to be a very self conscious individual and it's a problem I have dealt with since I was very very young and if you say I am just making this up for this one game I am going to say you are just looking for excuses to lynch me at this point.
Look through my Town games... you could probably pick one at random and find at least one thing I did that shows I am a very self conscious person.
And if your argument isn't that I am Scum because I am self conscious (in other words I am looking at myself and saying I have played such and such a way) then I really have no idea what shadoweh's point even is.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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This is not a rhetorical question. I see pretty much zero reason why Dunn deserves to make it to LyLo in this game.
I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
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Gamma Emerald AnySurvivorAny
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Not really but wanted to be sureIn post 3806, Shadoweh wrote:
I was talking about Lickety, but did you have someone else you thought this applies to?In post 3804, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This is sensible. Like rather than be outraged at being mislynched he seems to be outraged at being outplayed.In post 3795, Shadoweh wrote:
I think people do get angry about being lynched over people they think are scum, I don't think this is the same thing.In post 3793, Thestatusquo wrote:You don't think players think about how likely they are to be ML? I definitely do.
It's like, pre-flip rage? in an "I played so much better then you" way. I'm basically saying it sounds like he doesn't think he's scum.
...who were we talking about again<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”-
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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That does not answer the question why Dunn deserves to get to LyLo.In post 3810, Thestatusquo wrote:Mainly because I think ranmaru is more likely to be scum.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
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Gamma Emerald AnySurvivorAny
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
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Like voting who to have in lylo based on if they "deserve to be there." is a way to lose a lot of mafia games. Scum players can play well. Town players can play badly. None of this has any ramifications for their alignment.
All that matters if you want to win is a probabilistic determination of who is the most likely to be scum. Focusing on anything other than that is a distraction.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
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Yeah.
Strong town:
Davsto, I like his actions on the ces wagon and I like his tone and posts for the most part. He and I seem to be drawing a lot of the same conclusions the last two days and while I realize thats not a strong point, it does make me feel more comfortable with him. He's also the player I feel like I am most likely to be wrong about in my strong town pile. He's capable of playing this game as scum I think, I just don't think that he is. If that makes sense.
LQ: I don't think his actions come from scum, especially the bizarre meta cases on you and his continued persistent illogical attacks on me. I think scum fakes better cases than those. I think scum doesn't attempt to use the logic he's used in the way he's used it. Cheetory6 has a town tell he's pretty fond of, which he calls "being confidently wrong" which basically means that scum players are more likely to qualify their opinions and their pushes and make sure they're good than town players. When someone is this stubborn and this wrong about something but you can tell they really actually believe the things they're saying, its a hard town tell.
Medium Town:
ActionDan: This read is similar to davsto but less strong because he spent time yesterday trying to deflect the wagon, but ultimately I liked how he interacted with CES yesterday and he's another player who I have been generally agreeing with when he posts and I liked how he stepped up his thread presence when I asked him to. That felt super town to me.
Shadoweh: This is really as simple as not really thinking CES' play makes sense as a long protracted bus. This is one of the things that I think lycanfire gets right when he says that the way CES played seems to have been designed to minimize connections and information as much as possible, which doesn't make much sense with marq-ces scum.
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You: I have less justification for this than others, but call it gut. Cheet thought you were most likely to be town when he did his meta dive and you seem generally invested in figuring out the game. Your doubt today has read as super real to me, and thats a pretty hard thing to fake. I don't love your interactions with ranmaru and I don't love your interactions with CES which is the main thing keeping you from being a stronger town read.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Dunnstral he/himGoodfellashe/him
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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It most definitely is an important question if you want to be process oriented over results oriented.In post 3813, Thestatusquo wrote:Thats because I think that question is not important.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Gamma Emerald AnySurvivorAny
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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I don't care who is Town. Dunn needs to get lynched.In post 3819, Gamma Emerald wrote:Thanks Shea. Quick and Dunn it's your turn: describe why you townread who you townread.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Mnaaaah I need this to actually sort people so like, please do thisIn post 3820, LicketyQuickety wrote:
I don't care who is Town. Dunn needs to get lynched.In post 3819, Gamma Emerald wrote:Thanks Shea. Quick and Dunn it's your turn: describe why you townread who you townread.<Embrace The Void>
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
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This is fucking terrible play and you know it.In post 3820, LicketyQuickety wrote:
I don't care who is Town. Dunn needs to get lynched.In post 3819, Gamma Emerald wrote:Thanks Shea. Quick and Dunn it's your turn: describe why you townread who you townread.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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Wrong. It's a play based on principle.In post 3822, Thestatusquo wrote:
This is fucking terrible play and you know it.In post 3820, LicketyQuickety wrote:
I don't care who is Town. Dunn needs to get lynched.In post 3819, Gamma Emerald wrote:Thanks Shea. Quick and Dunn it's your turn: describe why you townread who you townread.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
You was doided teh aposit_tisopa het dedoid saw em.-
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Lycanfire Mafia Scum
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