Open 713: Jungle Republic [Game Over]

[Montosh]

N_M, why do you think beef is mafia. I can only see wolf!beef as a possibility.

[Tchill13]

I think itcle's ar that beef or montosh is scum due to how they're both handling it

[Montosh]

I don't. Can you explain at least a little? Rather than just making the assertion.

[Not_Mafia]

Beef seems a lot more focused on survival than gamesolving

[Montosh]

Right but that's a general scumtell. Why mafia specifically?

[Thor665]

I was hoping someone else would just field it.
But Espeo's "slip" of forgetting Mafia can't kill.
Too daft to be legit considering it's the entire concept of the setup, or obv. town?

[Thor665]

I mean, I want to kinda call him scum just for gunning for me - case closed.
But, that he ttried to gun for me and then reversed off bad logic with a 'oh yeah, mafia can't kill...' like, that's an intense moment and looks either like people should read it as him being blatant obv. scum or blatant obv. town.
I feel like I'm the only one who noticed it.

[Thor665]

I'll admit my current take is favoring town - just because it's not like I looked like trouble to lynch at that moment.

[Thor665]

I mean, he should be town, lolwolf, or obv. buddies Mafia with me at that stage, right?

[Not_Mafia]

I really wish we'd flipped Thor, game would be a lot easier right now

[Not_Mafia]

I mean, I want to kinda call him scum just for gunning for me - case closed.

Like this is impossible to take seriously but I don't know if it's town or scum

[Not_Mafia]

And I noticed and think Espe is town, it isn't obviously faked so it's just a shot in the dark, could be genuine, might not be

[Montosh]

@thor I don't think Esp's logic post is particularly scummy, it's easy enough to get lost while just considering future scenarios in your head. I think that he tried to justify it with a dumb excuse like "I forgot mafia can kill" is somewhat scummy. Just sorta reinforces my tchill/Esp mafia grouping.

[Espeonage]

Who's scum?

Montosh is the only one I'm super sure of. I could see any of the other four of you as scum, but I'd have to take a closer look.

I also just realized that there are only 6 players left.

I think TChill has properly redeemed the Korina slot, so the remaining scum is in {Thor, Not_Mafia, Espeonage}

or perhaps a better format: (from most likely to be scum to least)
- Montosh
- Thor
- Not_Mafia
- Espeonage
- Tchill

But seriously. Get those votes off me. I'm town.

Is this a slip. You have not given any clear indication of which variety of scum you think people are which kinda screams you are only looking for one kind.

[Espeonage]

Like cognitively I knew mafia can't kill but it's more that it's ingrained that 3/2 is two days of lylo.

[Beefster]

Why should I be trying to sort them out? If you want to know, I'm guessing Montosh is the wolf due to wilky associatives.

[Not_Mafia]

So you think Thor and I are a team?

[Montosh]

Why should I be trying to sort them out? If you want to know, I'm guessing Montosh is the wolf due to wilky associatives.

Bold stance

[Beefster]

So you think Thor and I are a team?

I'll have to get back to you on that. I haven't really thought about mafia teams tbh.

My gut is telling me you're town though. This looks like genuine gamesolving.

Thor/Esp seems pretty likely, but I'd bet on Thor before Espeonage

[Beefster]

So maybe (most likely to least likely):
Thor/Esp
Thor/NM
Esp/Tchill
Esp/NM
Tchill/NM
Tchill/Thor

[Espeonage]

So maybe (most likely to least likely):
Thor/Esp
Thor/NM
Esp/Tchill
Esp/NM
Tchill/NM
Tchill/Thor

This feels very arbitrary.

[Beefster]

It is somewhat arbitrary.

The more I think about it, the more Thor/Esp makes sense.

[Thor665]

@Beefster - without using your role PM as the reasoning, how does Thor/Esp make more sense than Beefster/Esp?
I'll also accept Tchill/Esp if you can't handle the above, I'm just making a point.

[Thor665]

Actually yeah you're right bc if we get the ww wrong presumably they can not be an idiot and hope to sway.

Then it's just I don't be an idiot.

And scum Thor wants this bc can win off partner potentially.

vote:beef

And, from a slew of posts I was about to rage on - common sense.
Think you'll have any luck talking to TChill and NM? They're both pointedly ignoring me while still advancing bad lynch theory, which makes me convinced at least one, if not both, are scum, because it's really obvious I'm right if you stop and look at things, yeah?

Why do you see Beef as more likely Wolf than Montosh? I asked you earlier methinks on this same point, and it's a really big point for the day.

@Espeo - bolded the question for your ease.
Please stop avoiding it, otherwise I'll just wagon you out of spite.

[Not_Mafia]

Do you really think you have the cred to start a wagon right now?