Open 720: NOIR (GAME OVER)

[jjh927]

Eh, it's a solved game anyway, and I can make it more solved for everyone else. I'm the real tracker.

VOTE: mutant

Random checked quick n1 who did nothing, and I checked pintu last night. Seriously thought I had a guilty because he didn't crumb targets but I'm glad I waited for the hider claim thing to resolve

[Sando]

If we mislynch here, we go to 8 player mylo or 7 player lylo.

Do we want to be dealing with alive!mutant and alive!counterclaim at lylo?

If there is a cc today, we can ensure at least one lynch before then, and a far smaller lynch pool going into 6 or 5 man lylo

@sando can you walk me through your thinking surrounding this, mate?

Fo shizz.

I'm still living in a world of 3 scum within mutant, alonzo, JJ, Fitz, NM, so keep that in mind.

We lynch Alonzo and worst case scenario he's town. I think you're saying that scum jail hider and kill Oxy (the conf!town), and then say Fitz CC's (this could be anyone though). Well for one, we've now got another track off, potentially giving us more info.

For two, we're not in any worse position than we are right now.

What do we have to lose? If we get a CC we have to deal with that and if we get it wrong we can't mislynch anywhere else, why do I care about getting it wrong today vs getting it wrong tomorrow? Getting it wrong tomorrow at least if I get it right I've gotten an extra nights lynch.

Other options revolve around not jailing the hider and confirming NM to us, but I've walked through that previously and I don't see a way for scum to make our lives anything but better there.

[Sando]

I still think we lynch elsewhere, gimmi a couple hours please, work crushing me and need to think it through.

[jjh927]

I mean, it might be a good call if you want me to get a track off, but we're gonna have to lynch mutant eventually

[Quick]

@Mod, Does Hider go before JK like is should according to NAR?

[Quick]

When looking at counter claims, you base your decision on Scum hunting.

VOTE: jjh927

[jjh927]

This particular hider is only immune to kills when they hide

[Sando]

I mean, it might be a good call if you want me to get a track off, but we're gonna have to lynch mutant eventually

Also provides some cover for the hider to achieve things unless they want to shoot into you/mutant and save us the trouble.

[jjh927]

I'm maybe 50/50 between mutant and Alonzo for the jailkeeper fwiw

[pinturicchio]

jjh, which song would you identify yourself?

Welcome to my townbloc, I knew you were townie enough to give you my special invitation

[Mathdino]

@Mod, Does Hider go before JK like is should according to NAR?

Natural Action Resolution in conjunction with this setup's role PMs indicate that, if a Jailkeeper jailed a Hider, the Jailkeeper would be applied first.

NAR's list only applies in case of emergency breakdown of NAR's guidelines.

[jjh927]

I switched off of NM after realising that confscum was voting NM meaning he isn't jailkeeper

[Quick]

I'm maybe 50/50 between mutant and Alonzo for the jailkeeper fwiw

I think this is a comment that is too sure to come from Town.

[jjh927]

Fwiw if I was in this from the start rather than taking over from Random I'd have been a vig and NM and Alonzo would be dead in that order

[pinturicchio]

I switched off of NM after realising that confscum was voting NM meaning he isn't jailkeeper

That's what I'm telling you. Mutant should be dead already, bussed by his partners. They don't want him dead. He got to claim tracker, why would he as a goon instead of giving that to the jailkeeper? Seems like a waste of claim to me

[Quick]

@Mod, Does Hider go before JK like is should according to NAR?

Natural Action Resolution in conjunction with this setup's role PMs indicate that, if a Jailkeeper jailed a Hider, the Jailkeeper would be applied first.

NAR's list only applies in case of emergency breakdown of NAR's guidelines.

If that's the case, then it's not NAR since NAR has clear guidelines.

[jjh927]

Quick, can you stop being a tool for the rest of the game

[pinturicchio]

Ok I solved it! @scumteam, I'm hiding behind Quick tonight, you can shoot him tonight and you will get two towns by the price of one!

[jjh927]

NAR has clear guidelines for when roles CONFLICT. There is no conflict between this version of hider and jailkeeper

[jjh927]

I wouldn't hide behind quick. 2/3 he's town just on the track N1

[Quick]

Ok I solved it! @scumteam, I'm hiding behind Quick tonight, you can shoot him tonight and you will get two towns by the price of one!

This actually works well with my schedule. Thanks.

[Sando]

Yeah I'm pretty sure we lynch into Alonzo/Fitz, and I'm going to assume worst case that we hit town, but same applies to hitting goon.

Scum can jail hider and shoot tracker - saves us the trouble of dealing with tracker
Scum can jail tracker and shoot town-NM+Pint - saves us the trouble of dealing with NM
Scum can jail hider and shoot Oxy - If we correctly call tracker we get more info from extra track
Scum can jail tracker and shoot Oxy - We get NM confirmed one way or the other

I think those are the options available to scum? In none of them are we coming out behind from leaving the tracker claim dealt with until tomorrow.

Feel free to let me know where I'm wrong here.

[Mathdino]

@Mod, Does Hider go before JK like is should according to NAR?

Natural Action Resolution in conjunction with this setup's role PMs indicate that, if a Jailkeeper jailed a Hider, the Jailkeeper would be applied first.

NAR's list only applies in case of emergency breakdown of NAR's guidelines.

If that's the case, then it's not NAR since NAR has clear guidelines.

Natural Action Resolution's Golden Rule is that actions that modify other actions are applied prior to the actions that are modified.

As this setup's Hide action only has the effect of protecting itself from nightkills, it has no impact on the Jailkeeper's ability to block actions.

NAR's list only applies in case of emergency breakdown of NAR's guidelines, which has not happened.

[Quick]

I wouldn't hide behind quick. 2/3 he's town just on the track N1

How do you figure 2/3?

[Oxy]

@Mod, Does Hider go before JK like is should according to NAR?

JK stops hider action. this was asked and answered