Open 55 - Vanilla 2:10 (Abandoned) before 542

[Skruffs]

Vote: No Lynch

It's optimal to no lynch tomorrow if we mislynch today; why not no lynch now and get the info to hopefully get us going in the right direction?

Town chooses the information they get by lynching; what evidence are you talking about?

Unvote, Vote : JDodge

[JDodge]

Vote: No Lynch

It's optimal to no lynch tomorrow if we mislynch today; why not no lynch now and get the info to hopefully get us going in the right direction?

Town chooses the information they get by lynching; what evidence are you talking about?

Unvote, Vote : JDodge

Unless you analyze the nightkill, which so many people are afraid to do nowadays.

Any no lynch today will provide better info than any uninformed lynch. 'Tis better to lower our chance of using up our single mislynch on a lack of data.

[Skruffs]

How would you analyze the last three night kills, then, JDodge?
Have you done that yet? Why is the next one more important than the last three?

[JDodge]

Three?

Yes, I have analyzed the kills. They have proven inconclusive. And when did I say it was more important? I just said that a nightkill is a better way of getting info than a lynch at this time.

[Skruffs]

A nightkill will happen wether we lynch or not. If we lynch, wether it is accurate or not, there will still be a nokill. Your reasoning is flawed.

[JDodge]

and we have less info to make that lynch. We have

one

mislynch left - it would be far better if we had all the info available to us at this time before we waste it for minimal reason.

[Skruffs]

Which is why I am voting you; because you are more sure in the possibility of a mis lynch than that of a correct lynch.

[destructor]

Absence of a towntell does not prove anything at all.

I'm pretty sure you actually argued the opposite against me in Newbie 516.

I do have substantial reason not to lynch him today - his lynch is motivated by the way he always plays.

That's irrelevant to me. Flameaxe has shown no sign that he's going to or willing to contribute to this game. If he's town, I doubt he's even

playing to win

, which I'd love to be a grounds for replacement. If he's scum, he's not even

playing

in the first place, which, again, I'd love to be grounds for replacement.

The reason I want him lynched is that we're probably never going to get a read on him. Scum aren't going to night kill him either way and so I want him out of the way so I can start analysing the players that have actually provided something to analyse. I'm really opposed to going on a wild goose chase trying to deduce scum-pairings between everyone else when Flameaxe himself could be scum. On top of this all, I have absolutely no reason to think he's town at this point and he's been anti-town enough to be scum.

[JDodge]

I may very well have argued such as that.

des, why do you want to waste our single mislynch on what you agree is essentially random chance?

[Skruffs]

JDodge, as far as I can tell, the only person you've ever voted was Ryan (me)
Why were you not voting at the end of hte day, yesterday?]


Did you think we were better off no lynching yesterday, too?

[JDodge]

JDodge, as far as I can tell, the only person you've ever voted was Ryan (me)
Why were you not voting at the end of hte day, yesterday?]


Did you think we were better off no lynching yesterday, too?

I had no clue yesterday. Didn't think of the no lynch idea until today.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

I'm still not clear on why destructor is being given such a pass.

[destructor]

I may very well have argued such as that.

Well, then it seems you're making an accommodation here for Flameaxe.

des, why do you want to waste our single mislynch on what you agree is essentially random chance?

Mostly because of this:

I'm really opposed to going on a wild goose chase trying to deduce scum-pairings between everyone else when Flameaxe himself could be scum. On top of this all, I have absolutely no reason to think he's town at this point and he's been anti-town enough to be scum.

So I don't think it's that random anyway.

TSPN - Are you serious? I'm being given a pass? Most of this day has been about me...

I'm not sure why the wagon on destructor suddenly disappeared. He still seems like the best play to me, to be honest.

Honestly, why do I seem like the best play?

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Because you've been consistently anti-town. You're arguments have been weak, and essentially you're being given a pass because "he's inexperienced to the point that he thinks there's still such a thing as a universal scumtell." Your join date says otherwise, so I'm not buying it.

But actually, no-lynching makes sense. We have a better chance of lynching scum with seven alive, then five, then three, than with eight, then six, then (no-lynch) three.

Unvote, vote no-lynch.

[Skruffs]

JDodge : if you hadn't thought of the nolynch idea yestesrday - then why were you not voting at deadline? BEcause not lynching yesterday is exactly the reason why you want to nolynch today.

TSPN: You were voting me, the ONLY person voting me, yesterday. So you also helped contribute to a nolynch yesterday. Now because we nolynched yesterday, you want to nolynch today.

EFfectively, both of you wanted to give the scum two kills and strip the town of two kills.

How do you plead?

[JDodge]

Because I did not have anywhere I wanted to place my vote yesterday.

[destructor]

Because you've been consistently anti-town. You're arguments have been weak, and essentially you're being given a pass because "he's inexperienced to the point that he thinks there's still such a thing as a universal scumtell." Your join date says otherwise, so I'm not buying it.

You're full of shit.

I not even going to start believing you believe this until you can show us all how I've been "consistently" anti-town. Show us where my arguments have been weak, and then explain how making these weak arguments makes me scum. Show us how me being "inexperienced to the point of thinking a universal scumtell exists" could somehow negate the criticism you posted above, even if you don't believe it's the case.

If you can't do that my votes switching to you. You haven't done much better than your predecessor.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote JDodge

. I'll side with skruffs on this one.

I still, however, don't get why some people are so sure of destructor being pro-town.

[destructor]

The only people (sic) that have said they're sure I'm town are JDodge and... that's it.

Still waiting on something from TSPN.

I'm still opposed to the No Lynch on the chance that Flameaxe is scum and my supreme confidence that he won't be night killed.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

How do you plead?

I plead 'skruffs should read the part of the thread where we lynched avinashv yesterday.' I was voting for him, even.

Show us how me being "inexperienced to the point of thinking a universal scumtell exists" could somehow negate the criticism you posted above, even if you don't believe it's the case.

Well, I don't know, you'd have to ask jdodge why that means you're town. As for:

Show us where my arguments have been weak, and then explain how making these weak arguments makes me scum.

To start off, you're arguing that we should lynch flameaxe because. . . he's lurking? That's not exactly the strongest case, and that's all you've presented. And how are you so confident he won't be the nightkill again?

[Skruffs]

I Realize now that you were on the votecount twice, TSPN, when I read that I saw your name next to mine and stopped reading at that point. I blame mod-error for the confusion, sorry about that.

[UltimaAvalon]

Flameaxe - destructor
pickemgenius -
Jdodge - Skruffs, Lowell
TheSweatpantsNinja - pickemgenius
Elmo -
Skruffs -
Lowell -
destructor -
No Lynch - JDodge, TheSweatpantsNinja
Not Voting -Flameaxe, Elmo

[destructor]

To start off, you're arguing that we should lynch flameaxe because. . . he's lurking? That's not exactly the strongest case, and that's all you've presented. And how are you so confident he won't be the nightkill again?

I can think of very few reasons that scum would choose to kill him.

And he's not even 'lurking'. You have to be playing to lurk. He's not even playing. Since our mod doesn't seem to think that's a reason to replace him, I want him out of the game the only other way I can think of.

[Lowell]

The no lynch thing is still a stupid idea. Let's just kill someone and be done with it. We have a few decent leads. Interesting that the people getting heat are the ones who want a no lynch.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Its not a stupid idea, but the benefits are fairly marginal, so if we can come to a consensus on a lynch, I wouldn't be terribly hurt.

Anyway, destructor, so you think we should lynch an absent player? In other words, we should lynch at random?