Micro 830: DoY II: Plato's Symposium! Lyncher/Inquisitor Win

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James: At a band concert for the last few hours, then serenaded my beautiful girlfriend for about 30 min. Sorry we’re late to the party.
Hi Fa_Q2

Hi Krazy, lovely to see you again. It’s been a while, here’s hoping that we are partners this time!
No RVS vote for me atm. Must confer with my other brain. Will have more soon.

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James:
On second thought
VOTE: Fish
#ducknation

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Ok well no one is saying anything.

There's only one thing to do.

Eager to have rolled wolf?

VOTE: Krazy

That’s an interesting statement. Is that RVS? Or am I missing something?

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EWBOP: the previous post was by James

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Inferno390 says:
Hi.
I’m going to sheep my other head because RVS.
Not quite sure what to make of this game because there’s a noticeable lack of talking.
Talk more.
Thanks.

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Ok well no one is saying anything.

There's only one thing to do.

Eager to have rolled wolf?

VOTE: Krazy

That’s an interesting statement. Is that RVS? Or am I missing something?

I'm not sure where your confusion comes in. What's "interesting" about it?

Not sure how he finds it interesting but I find it interesting because it is not entirely obvious if your reason was tongue in cheek as a RVS or if you are serious here. More interesting is that you did not clarify when this was pointed out. Almost like you don't want to give a hard reason yet.

VOTE: carmen

James:
This is my thinking as well. Also pretty confident Fa_Q2 is town now.

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James:
Yep, Fa_Q2 is townlocked for me.
Krazy, would you tell me some about your meta? How do you play as town? Scum? PR?

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Nope.

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Inferno says:
Going to go out on a limb here and say the scumteam is Carmen/Carcalilly.

Will explain more when I have time.

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James:
I really hope Krazy isn’t scum.
Massive dislike of Carmen, he seems to be hot on the pressure wagon.
Also thinking that there might be some whiplash on Fa_Q2’ part. I think both he and Krazy are overreacting a bit.
Don’t like Fish’s posting very well. He’s striking me as wishy-washy
On the subject of Fish, he asked our opinion on Fa.
Currently, this head thinks that he’s prob town mainly because I have a bit of meta on him and it seems to me as scum he plays far more aggressively.

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Inferno:
I’m somewhat convinced that Maria is a Jester.
This is a bastard game, right?

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JAMES:
Wait
Hold up
I missed Fa’s contradiction
Am concerned now
My reads my be bad

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James:
Upon some thought
I’m going to ISO Fa/Carmen

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James:
Lucky for you all
I’ve gamesolved
Scum is Fa/Carmen
Carmen is hard bussing his partner, then tunnels Krazy when he starts so scumread Fa.

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James:
In case anyone needs proof, there is a wall incoming

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James:

Ok well no one is saying anything.

There's only one thing to do.

Eager to have rolled wolf?

VOTE: Krazy

That’s an interesting statement. Is that RVS? Or am I missing something?

I'm not sure where your confusion comes in. What's "interesting" about it?

Not sure how he finds it interesting but I find it interesting because it is not entirely obvious if your reason was tongue in cheek as a RVS or if you are serious here. More interesting is that you did not clarify when this was pointed out. Almost like you don't want to give a hard reason yet.

VOTE: carmen

VOTE: unvote: carmen

Mini, don't want to see a hammer happen suddenly. Did not realize 4 ends in a hammer aright away. Still want to see a response here.

So initially I thought this was OK. But look at the speed at which he unvoted. It's like he's aware he screwed up.

Mini, don't want to see a hammer happen suddenly. Did not realize 4 ends in a hammer aright away. Still want to see a response here.

Yeah, the three person scumteam is going to quickhammer me on page two.

Mini, don't want to see a hammer happen suddenly. Did not realize 4 ends in a hammer aright away. Still want to see a response here.

Yeah, the three person scumteam is going to quickhammer me on page two.

Why mention a number in the scum team here? I have heard that statement a thousand times in various forms here but I don't think that anyone has ever said something so awkward as 'the three person scum team' like this. It just does not fit.

A) Word semantics is a weird way to approach this. B) The fact that 3 is mentioned specifically bugs me. That's odd. Thinking that Carmen knows something here that we don't.

Also townleaning Inferno.

BEF is a gut scumlean but I have no doubts I can clarify that better given time.

By the way, BEF's latest two posts don't do him any favors.

I'm going to leave my vote on BEF for reasons, but my top scumread is still Carcalilly.

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

It's a bastard, this game could have ended in pre-game LOL

Is it? Hadn't realized. I remember that this is apparently the second in some series but I can't find the first game to see what that setup was like.

I'm a little worried she's too scummy to be scum here, but don't hold me to that.

Thinking like that will lead you straight away from the correct solution nine times out of ten.

Oh, wonderful, even more nonsense to deal with.

No offense to the mod.

I don't understand the connection.

What's your read on me?

I'm going to solve this game whether this lobby wants to shitlynch me or not. That's just the way things are going to be.

So if you want to beat me in postcount, you better start solving

This is so much fluff. He's actively lurking here to try and look busy. Also, he admits he's scumreading Carcalily, and only gutreads BEF, but then goes in and votes him anyways?

I lynched him fairly recently in a recently completed game and I think the manner in which I did so left an impression.

I keep wanting to do this and now I think I'm going to do it

Vote FA_Q

Hope he's not like Profii and is just someone I'm always thinking is scum but never is

No, no real impression. I don't actually recall which game that was.

This is +scum indicative for FA. Townpoints to anyone who can guess why I think this.

This is +scumpoints for Carmen. Way overreaction

cause he's not paying enough attention to realize the first part was about BEF?

Bingo. There's also a small element of a guilty conscience, assuming that you talking about someone you're voting would be him even when the context doesn't make immediate sense.

cause he's not paying enough attention to realize the first part was about BEF?

Bingo. There's also a small element of a guilty conscience, assuming that you talking about someone you're voting would be him even when the context doesn't make immediate sense.

Assuming that he is talking about me - the only player he mentions in his post is scum indicative...

That is asinine.

cause he's not paying enough attention to realize the first part was about BEF?

Bingo. There's also a small element of a guilty conscience, assuming that you talking about someone you're voting would be him even when the context doesn't make immediate sense.

Assuming that he is talking about me - the only player he mentions in his post is scum indicative...

That is asinine.

Not reading the context of the conversation taking place in the two posts directly above the one you responded to -

that

is scum indicative.

But hey, cool your jets. I'm still voting Carcalilly. You should be too, really.

Scum indicative -- But no vote, no further searching, just a casual, "This is scum-indicative" and moves on. That's a casual bus if I've ever seen one.

Stop canvassing people onto a wagon that isn't the one that I'm voting on.

Whatever you want to believe.

By the way, if you're curious, I'm no longer townreading you.

Yeah, I'm hard turning to townleaning BEF. Scumreading Krazy more now.

Lot's more fluff

I took it off because it was a pure RVS vote. Maybe it was placed correctly out of luck, but I can always throw it back if the situation arises.

so you looked at FA_Q's game there and noticed he had good reads, but didn't comment on the lack of an unvote and the lack of caution

the lack of caution is what is what I focus on. He is an aggressive, highly reactionary player as town

and he doesn't seem to be that way here

maybe it's because he's a double voter

or maybe it's because he's scum or third party

but what do you actually think of his reads in this game, and what do you think of his tonality in this game?

Did I put someone at L-1 on the first page in RVS?

No, no I didn't. As soon as I explained the post you immediately went into lynch mode. And assuming 3p? Based on what? It is as though you are not bothering to evaluate anything I state at all.

This is scum.

VOTE: Krazy

And this is an attack and an attempt to make something not scummy look very scummy.

Gonna double check to make sure I'm not quickhammering, but

FOS: Carmen, FA_Q2

Also thinking there is a possible traitor here, maybe Carmen? Unsure atm, but that 3-person thing has me leaning in that direction.

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James:
Yep
This is L-1. If I see a hammer, I will flip out.
VOTE: Carmen
Good night from central time.

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Inferno:
Three scum makes no sense
Because that would mean we’re immediately at LyLo.
SK also doesn’t make sense unless it’s 2 of them
Because that would also technically put Town at LyLo depending on situation
SO
We have to have a non-traitor, non-killing 3p role
Or two one man scumteams
I’m gonna lean Jester or Survivor, because that feels like it works IMO.

But I honestly dunno other than that.

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Wouldn’t that be convenient.

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ouch everyone just dogged out
Carmen was totally powering before now

And inferno, what if we just had a 2 person scumteam? Or one person with a traitor?

Inferno:
Well I mean
Duh
But is Traitor plus 1 man really that likely?
And I was mostly just responding to the whole three person scumteam thing.
But yes, a two man scumteam is reasonable.

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James:
What the heck?
I thought we were at L-1

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James
And the classic flail:
“Town wants to lynch me for shit reasons”
Not a good defense
VOTE: Fa_Q2
This for sure is L-1. No hammers please.
Where the heck is my other head?

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James:
Double voter scum would be really powerful, but also make sense for the Fa/Carmen scumteam, since that would have put a scumbuddy at L-1, where they could be unknowingly quickhammered within the first 24 hours — A bad prospect for scum. But as town, Fa could have just announced he was a doublevoter and put a lot of pressure on Carmen.

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James
Wow Ok then
Scum replace much?

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James:
Agreed. This is getting rather dull.

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James:
There will be no need for that Krazy.

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James:
You def hammered and I seriously doubt he’s a lover.

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What does loved mean?

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James:
Kk
I doubt there’s a scum loved doublevoter tho

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James:
I think the flavor claim

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James:
Nope nope nope
If my hunch is correct shot was at Krazy or us last night.
Eager scum is now confused and trying to get the lynch they lost in shot last night.

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James:
And I know what you’re trying to crumb (I think)
It’s okay, buddy. I have it too.
Why do you scumread Carmen?

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I think Carmen is town. Scum might be between BEF and Carcalily?
If Krazy does end up being scum he has to be the last lynch, but there’s no way that’s the case

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James:
Krazy, I must know: are you a protective?

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James:
There are 5 people and likely 2 scum. I know I’m not scum and am confident that Krazy is not scum. That leave scum between you, Carmen, and Carcalily. My gut tells me that Carmen isn’t scum, hence the scumteam of you and Carcalily.
However, I really need to ISO and check that, because at Lylo it’s a bad idea to gut read to endgame, but that’s where I am now.
Inferno claims that it’s highly unlikely there is two scum because we had a 3rd party, but I don’t buy that.

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James:
That’s a lovely fakeclaim you have there.
Whatever you think I’ve implied, you’re wrong.

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James:
Not voting because I believe there may be a scumteam and doubting myself at LYLO is what I do, but BEF is likely scum.
If you’re macho, who do you think is the protective? If it’s Krazy, you’re wrong — he’s a fruit vendor.

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James:
Am convinced.
Would like to look for other scum before I vote though.

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Inferno:
Because we’re all idiots who decided to setup spec in a bastard game
I’m gonna throw this out there

A) There is basically no chance that we have a 2 man scumteam.
Because by that logic, we would have been in LyLo yesterday.
So unless this was a game where we were in LyLo D1, which I find highly unlikely
This is an SK we’re dealing with.

B) Even if we are dealing with a 2-man scumteam
Why the heck are we worried about that now in terms of setup spec?
I mean yes, we should be touchy with our votes
But instead of trying to wheel out a scum team atp, let’s just lynch the scum.
If there’s two, the game will continue
If there’s one, the game ends
It’s literally that simple

Now I’m going to read and parse. Thank you!

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Inferno: Krazy, what did you actually DO?

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James:
So you're an inventor?
Who gives idols?
That neighborize people?
OK

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James:
So I checked that with your flavor claim

I am one of the following:

Gorgias, the Orator
Pausanias, the Inventor
or
Polermarchus, the Hospitable

If you already know the role name then you know which one is real!

You know Pausanias was a geographer, right?

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James:
Not voting because I believe there may be a scumteam and doubting myself at LYLO is what I do, but BEF is likely scum.
If you’re macho, who do you think is the protective? If it’s Krazy, you’re wrong — he’s a fruit vendor.

@BEF

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James:
I think you are bluffing and avoiding my question, actually.
And the fact you’ve yet to garner a successful lynch even though there were plenty of quick hammer opportunities makes me think you are scum.
Now, please answer the question. Or we can end the day by lynching you, your choice.

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James:
So you’re telling me:
You’re macho
You are aware there is a protective
But you have no idea who that is? Despite

If anyone was thinking of using protection on me, it would be better placed elsewhere.

Knowing for certain there was a protective role and that play was likely to use it?
I’m not buying it.
And you seem to be fishing for mislynches: you don’t care who we lynch, so long as it ain’t you.

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VOTE: BEF
I apologize to town if this is bad.

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James:
Krazy I SWEAR IF YOU ARE FREAKING SCUM!

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James:
Agreed.

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James:
???
Seems odd to me for scum to have immunity to protectives.

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James:
Unless BEF is a loved scum, in which case he’s not dead yet...
Which is not unreasonable considering his previous posts. That’s the only thing I can think of that could explain the attempt to convince us continuing.

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James:
FRICK
Was a Lover-Doctor on Krazy. Sorry all.