This is that shit I don't like. The WHOLE point of this game is that it's a U-PICK where YOU PICK the roles.
I can't fathom why someone would want to play as characters they DID NOT PICK.
This reminds me a lot of my frustrations with my very own favorite-game-designed-and-run-onsite, Final Fantasy Tactics Mafia.
In FFT Mafia (which I designed, of course!), players were all given secret alt accounts to post from that aligned with the Zodiac signs that each represented,
Those players then double-drafted their roles in what was, really, honestly, the best draft phase that anyone has conceived of.
Basically, players had access to every JOB CLASS role in the game, but only knew the FIRST ABILITIES of each while having a somewhat nebulous flavor explanation of what the class does.
After the first phase of private picking, everyone learns ALL THE SECRET ABILITIES of the first JOB CLASS they picked and then they get to post and pick again at the end of that posting phase.
So it was this really involved semi-closed draft. Town, of course, tried to game it, but scum was secretly
.
Anyway, as you can see, replacements SEVERELY compromised the integrity of that game. It ran to completion, but it infuriated me that the anonymity of the setup was oft-compromised with replace-ins making it that much harder to actually read a slot, but, furthermore, those replace-ins were never a part of the semi-open double-draft, so it was like they had no agency over their role which was a huge part of that game.
Anyway, what I'm saying is, shame on you Carcalilly for replacing out. Or eating a ban. Or whatever happened. I mean, I guess I get if IRL stuff came up and bit you in the ass but if you just made picks and replaced out for no good reason, gross.
In fact;
@MOD: Did Carcalilly make the picks for that slot or did you let Nibbul make the picks?
Me too! I was surprised it finally did. I've been pretty excited for it, but yeah, it is a U-Pick, so it makes sense, especially given that JJH had to design these interesting and multifaceted roles.
Why do you vote FB here? I thought it took a long time for the game to start, too, but that doesn't make me scum.
Seems like a pretty NAI thing to push, I don't understand.
Are you just reaction fishing? On Firebringer? One of the most volatile players in the game?
It really looks like you're kicking a wasp's nest and hoping that people will blame the wasps for being violent.
I'm gonna keep an eye on how you try to handle game momentum moving forward.
Good shit on calling that out but I wish you'd be more critical.
Posts like this don't give me much more insight into your alignment;
I'm tempted to call it town, because it's so Firebringer devil-may-care attitude, but I think you might just play that way regardless.
Do you actually have some criticism of this vote or how do you think of it? I'm reading this as sarcasm, btw, but when I look at it further...
You absolutely deny the vote any weight by calling it out as an RVS vote, like, that they don't have legitimate reason to vote you.
It's interesting that you'd do that, but we'll see if that sort of denial and sarcastic survivalism is indicative of align or not, I suppose?
This is trash. If everyone just sheeped you on this petty interaction, we'd have no info at the end of D1.
What I take from this is that you're trying to give your vote pressure and reassert it as meaningful after Firebringer's denial.
I can get the town mentality of doing so (trying to reaffirm pressure) but the means of doing it is so anti-town that right now I'd rather vote you than FB.
Ugggh openwolfing and pooky-tells are supposed to be my thing, Firebringer.
But on the real, I'm reading the further sarcasm and nonplussed response as you letting the vote and double-down roll off your back.
You're being consistent, at least, which feels better than not.
I'm curious if Not Known 15 will be as critical of this post as Firebringer's entry.
Same thing goes, but in case you didn't catch it just above because that was directed at Firebringer:
I was surprised the game finally started!
I've been pretty excited for it, but yeah, it is a U-Pick, so it makes sense, especially given that JJH had to design these interesting and multifaceted roles.
This post rings more as joyous at the start whereas FB's seems a bit more 'ugh it's about time' kinda stuff
So I imagine you got a role you're excited for, or even an alignment?
What's the optics on Gamma's enjoyment of playing each alignment?
Does he like playing scum or town way more than the other?
In post 10, mutantdevle wrote:Can we vote for past jjh?
VOTE: past jjh927
Ngl I'm already loving my role primarily because it looks like the mod properly researched into my obscure picks. My minigame flavour is just perfect. So thanks for that jjh
It's wild that there's already a bit of an interaction happening on-page so far and you've decided to ignore it ENTIRELY to push this vanity-joke.
I don't get it.
I do appreciate the flavor and role design so far, too, but I really want you to focus more on the game.
You continuing to deny that seems like a further denial of the severity of NK15's vote, which is in-line with Firebringer's approach.
Lightly thinking you two are in the same camp, at least, mentally.
Won't be surprised if FB likes you.
I play on Mafsilver too and the mod color literally requires me to highlight the text.
That said, your continued avoidance of actually engaging with the game bothers me a ton.
I don't think it's a huge deal at this point but if I was given a gun and asked to shoot someone out of you three posters so far, I'd shoot you every time.
@MOD: Consider using a mod color that looks fine on the various Mafiascum.net templates.
For instance, white looks neat on MafBlack but is completely illegible on MafSilver.
Just something to consider.
In post 12, Firebringer wrote:past jjh is dead. this is currernt jjh which will soon also be past jjh who will die.
we should instead vote for future jjh but future jjh will never come because when it is the future it will be the current and then past and we all know the past is just history and history is dead.
so we can't lynch anyone when u think about it.
our past selves aren't our current selves and we aren't ever our future selves until it becomes current and then it will pass and the idea of the self is kind of a touchy subject, not even sure if there is such a thing of the self and we are all just in mass delusion that a self exists for convenience.
Yup, called it. FB's engaging with Mutant's off-topic post. Reads as further vote-distancing.
But it's pretty postmodern to acknowledge that your past self is not your current or future self even.
This is why we write shopping lists, because we know right now what we need, but we are acknowledging that our future self will not know despite still being 'us'.
It's some pretty Derrida-level stuff, actually factually.
If you actually are interested in this stuff and aren't just shitposting, I suggest reading 'Signature Event Context':
http://lab404.com/misc/ltdinc.pdf
Goes a lot into writing as a representation of communication of the self of the past, which arises from an acknowledgement of the absence of that self in the future.
It's like 25 pages of verbose, ambling French translated into English so I'll save you the scrying and just grab the best bit of it:
What are in effect the essential predicates in a minimal determination of the classical concept of writing?
1) A written sign, in the current meaning of this word, is a mark that subsists,
one which does not exhaust itself in the moment of its inscription and which can
give rise to an iteration in the absence and beyond the presence of the empirically
determined subject who, in a given context, has emitted or produced it. This is
what has enabled us, at least traditionally, to distinguish a "written" from an
"oral" communication.
2) At the same time, a written sign carries with it a force that breaks with its
context, that is, with the collectivity of presences organizing the moment of its
inscription. This breaking force (force de rupture) is not an accidental predicate
but the very structure of the written text. In the case of a so-called "real" context,
what I have just asserted is all too evident. This allegedly real context includes a
certain "present" of the inscription, the presence of the writer to what he has
written, the entire environment and the horizon of his experience, and above all
the intention, the wanting-to-say-what-he-means, which animates his inscription
at a given moment. But the sign possesses the characteristic of being readable
even if the moment of its production is irrevocably lost and even if I do not know
what its alleged author-scriptor consciously intended to say at the moment he
wrote it, i.e. abandoned it to its essential drift. Ar:; far as the internal semiotic
context is concerned, the force of the rupture is no less important: by virtue of its
essential iterability, a written syntagma can always be detached from the chain in
which it is inserted or given without causing it to lose all possibility of functioning,
if not all possibility of "communicating," precisely. One can perhaps come to
recognize other possibilities in it by inscribing it or grafting it onto other chains.
No context can entirely enclose it. Nor any code, the code here being both the
possibility and impossibility of writing, of its essential iterability (repetition/alterity).
3) This force of rupture is tied to the spacing [espacement 1 that constitutes the
written sign: spacing which separates it from other elements of the internal contextual
chain (the always open possibility of its disengagement and graft), but
also from all forms of present reference (whether past or future in the modified
form of the present that is past or to come), objective or subjective. This spacing
is not the simple negativity of a lacuna but rather the emergence of the mark. It
does not remain, however, as the labor of the negative in the service of meaning,
of the living concept, of the telos, supersedable and reducible in the Aufhebung
of a dialectic.
In post 13, NicoRobin wrote:Hello.
VOTE: Firebringer
Because there can only be one pirate in these seas. Ahoy, matey!
This sort of doubling down and bringing the focus back on the game at hand is great but I don't appreciate you grounding it in a less serious place and not addressing the game so far.
This is the sort of weak sheep that I was saying was anti-town just earlier.
Like, game-momentum-wise, this could be townie, but otherwise, I don't like this post very much.
Dukes up, Nico.
In post 14, RadiantCowbells wrote:Firebringer I just wanted you to know how much your continued support has meant to me through all these years and I've thought about you from the sidelines but until this moment I've never really realized just how much I want to be with you.
Would you do me the honour of a dance?
Honor doesn't have a 'u' in it.
I also think it's wild that you intentionally acknowledge FB but not the two-vote wagon there or his interactions.
This sort of interaction reads really awkward but also strikes me as you not being the same align.
I take back my gun shot earlier. I'd shoot you now.
But, nah, really, waiting for you to WOW US ALL with your PERFECT READS, you GOLDEN GOD OF MAFIA.
You're off to a GREAT START that I couldn't possibly levy any valid criticism against, and even if I tried, it'd just be me being a HATER.
Wouldn't be surprised if you picked yourself, you narcissist.
In post 15, NicoRobin wrote: In post 14, RadiantCowbells wrote:Firebringer I just wanted you to know how much your continued support has meant to me through all these years and I've thought about you from the sidelines but until this moment I've never really realized just how much I want to be with you.
Would you do me the honour of a dance?
Someone is being unfaithful.......
See, this is why RC's post is so egregious to me;
I know that Nico will engage with it for fun factor
So it just drives the fluffposting
And distances further from the game at hand.
Don't fall for this nonsense, Nico.
I'd appreciate it if you'd comment more on what's actually going on Page 1.
Once again, seems like another player snowed by RC's 'play' approach that capitalizes on FB's distancing.
FB can't call it out because they initiated and would be painted for it, but I can see what's happening here.
Please stop this.
Play the game at hand.
If you have another post after this where you continue to not game-engage (especially if it's baiting Nico for fluff), I'm going to tunnel you until either one of us is dead.
In post 18, ChibiBear wrote:This long awaited day has finally arrived!
In post 12, Firebringer wrote:past jjh is dead. this is currernt jjh which will soon also be past jjh who will die.
we should instead vote for future jjh but future jjh will never come because when it is the future it will be the current and then past and we all know the past is just history and history is dead.
so we can't lynch anyone when u think about it.
our past selves aren't our current selves and we aren't ever our future selves until it becomes current and then it will pass and the idea of the self is kind of a touchy subject, not even sure if there is such a thing of the self and we are all just in mass delusion that a self exists for convenience.
VOTE: Firebringer
My next existential spiral is scheduled for Wednesday, please don't mess up my schedule
Once again, another anti-town, content-devoid garbage sheep that I warned against earlier.
This does nothing to help sort either of your alignments.
Please step your game up.
Honestly, the fact that you've read up to this point and all you can do is offer a fluff-sheep, it makes me a lot more convinced of FB as town here.
Anyway, please, articulate yourself and don't fall for this garbage.
I'll get you there, Maria.
Way to soft your secondary role enabling.
I'd take being in a PT with you, for what it's worth.
In fact.
@MOD: Can I have a PT with MariaR?
I'd like to ally with them a-la Steven Universe Mafia.
Thoughts on the game so far, MariaR?
In post 20, Nibbui wrote:Oh, I finally found a game where we can fakeclaim to our hearts's content!
VOTE: ChibiBear
People with cute avatars can't be trusted!!
Nibbul, did you make your own picks or did you inherit your replacee's?
I somewhat appreciate driving the game somewhere other than the Firebringer exchange but it bothers me that you'd avoid entirely.
Reads as conflict-avoidant. Dunno what that means for you, though.
In post 21, Gamma Emerald wrote:
How soon we talking
@Chibi, wdym existential spiral?
@Nibbui, why do you believe infinite fakeclaiming is less reprehensible/whatever you believe here?
Gamma, please don't hint at a means of using your role, don't wanna give scum too much info here and guide their kill.
Though if you're scum, it makes plenty of sense for your to open-soft.
I don't see these questions as really helping you sort either slot.
Could explain how they do?
They both seem like questions that'll just generate more fluff posting.
In post 22, MariaR wrote: In post 21, Gamma Emerald wrote:
How soon we talking
@Chibi, wdym existential spiral?
@Nibbui, why do you believe infinite fakeclaiming is less reprehensible/whatever you believe here?
ASAP
A$AP ROCKY
Hold up, bitches simmer down
Takin' hella long, bitch, give it to me now
Make that thing pop like a semi or a 9
Ooh, baby like it raw with the shimmy shimmy ya
Huh, A$AP, get like me
Never met a motherfucker fresh like me
All these motherfuckers wanna dress like me
Put the chrome to your dome, make you sweat like Keith
‘Cause I'm the nigga, the nigga nigga, like how you figure?
Gettin' figures and fuckin' bitches
She rollin' Swishers, brought her bitches
I brought my niggas, they gettin' bent up off the liquor
She love my licorice, I let her lick it
They say money make a nigga act nigga-ish
But least a nigga nigga rich
I be fuckin' broads like I be fuckin' bored
Turn a dyke bitch out, have her fuckin' boys; beast
...what a garbage flow. This is the dude's most popular song? Trash.
It really does make me respect the people who put in work and write bars that aren't misogynistic hoodrat shit.
In fact, I apologize for posting this. Doing all I can to get you into that PT ASAP, though!!
This is a good question and I wish it was bolded at the mod so
@MOD: What determines when game events happen--is it real time or certain phases of the game?
Convenient excuse if you're scum.
Why would you claim this?
As town, wouldn't you want to seem like you've enabled a strong part of your role and then DRAW THE KILL.
Mad shade on you for this, seriously.
I really do not like it.
But, ugh, I'm already committed to getting you into a PT.
Mmmhm.
I really still don't know how to take this and it bothers me a ton.
Obviously.
Mutant bothers me with the blatant fish here, especially given their earlier play.
-1.
In post 27, MariaR wrote:
Well my quest has 2 parts getting into the pt is one. I'm already somewhat not killable at night but I know if I finish it it gets better
I still have no idea why a BP would ever out that.
In post 28, Nibbui wrote: In post 21, Gamma Emerald wrote:
@Nibbui, why do you believe infinite fakeclaiming is less reprehensible/whatever you believe here?
Hi there Gamma
It's not about being reprehensible or not, I wanted to do it just because it's fun!! :'D
Seriously speaking though it's more of a pun since I love fakeclaiming as scum, but since I rolled town I might need to hold myself
Oh, also I have a xmas gift for you
VOTE: Gamma
We're not in RVS anymore.
Why the vote on Gamma?
Please explain this a bit more.
In post 29, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I was expecting to have to dance around this more, based on a similar play Kokichi Oma made in Deja Vu Mafia (RIP). Thank you for providing these specifics, they make me much more inclined to aid you. While making you immune to some sort of a kill is kinda unsavory, it’s better bulletproof than Lynchproof as lynch is town’s main weapon while the gun is a more rogue tool.
Unfortunately I cannot aid you right now but I’ll do what I can to help. This is dependent on you remaining not-a-scumread FYI.
I appreciate Gamma being forthright here.
This is probably the one decent post in the game so far.
Like it's the only post so far I haven't gone, "Ugh."
Gamma, do you think we can trust MariaR?
In post 30, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 28, Nibbui wrote: In post 21, Gamma Emerald wrote:
@Nibbui, why do you believe infinite fakeclaiming is less reprehensible/whatever you believe here?
Hi there Gamma
It's not about being reprehensible or not, I wanted to do it just because it's fun!! :'D
Seriously speaking though it's more of a pun since I love fakeclaiming as scum, but since I rolled town I might need to hold myself
Oh, also I have a xmas gift for you
VOTE: Gamma
I already accounted for you not meaning it in a way that regarded fakeclaiming as reprehensible with the “whatever you believe” part.
So uh...what’s the pun? I see a rhyme, but no pun.
And thank you for your gift, I like votes of many kinds. Unfortunately votes on town are disliked so that sours the feeling a little.
This is a much more blatant hand-wave of a vote.
The insistence on being town is noted, though.
Same with engaging with fluff.
Still dunno to make heads or tails of this slot. :/
In post 31, mutantdevle wrote: In post 27, MariaR wrote:
Well my quest has 2 parts getting into the pt is one. I'm already somewhat not killable at night but I know if I finish it it gets better
Huh. My quest is a simple condition that needs to be met but I have no idea what it rewards other than my flavour submission.
I was thinking about whether it was worth all of us sharing what quest conditions that we have. That way, we can help each other to unlock our 2nd abilities. That said, we don't know whether each person we help could be mafia. So then, would it turn into only helping the people we trust? If so, then that might lead to some town discourse as different people want to help different people and others try to prevent some from reaching their conditions. Then there's the possibility that the mafia may be able to prevent us from completing our missions, especially if they cannot be completed within the day.
The alternative is to just let people complete their missions on their own. My problem with that is, I don't know about any of y'all but, the process of my quest isn't helpful to the town. (Whereas if I told you what it was, it could easily be achieved without any consequences). Naturally, if we follow this route, people are going to ask for help anyway if they feel that that's the best way to unlock their ability. That then treads into the territory of "so do we actually help this person because we might just be giving more power to the mafia".
I think the default soloution is the 2nd option as I'm fairly certain that was the way the mod intended. There's also the added benefit of being able to use the extent that people go to try and achieve their quest as AI.
If we all out our quests, then mafia also know who is role-enabled and can base their kills off of that.
I think it's much more in the spirit of the game for us to privately work towards our quests.
But you seem to have come to the same conclusions so
I think you might be town for that. Hm.
In post 32, mutantdevle wrote:Wait, can we infer that MariaR is town from her quest? Since mafia would already be in a PT.
It could always be 'Enter a PT with a town player' which a role that I would definitely design because I kind of have before in Steven Universe mafia games, which are entirely hinged around entering PTs with players in order to activate roles. I'd read it as NAI because I don't think that anyone's role-enabling, by design, would be alignment indicative.
In post 33, Nibbui wrote:
It's for myself, I'm egocentric enough for that yes
In post 30, Gamma Emerald wrote:And thank you for your gift, I like votes of many kinds. Unfortunately votes on town are disliked so that sours the feeling a little.
...bout what?
I really with you'd share a lot more of your thoughts.
It's been hard to pinpoint very much at all about you.
In post 34, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 32, mutantdevle wrote:Wait, can we infer that MariaR is town from her quest? Since mafia would already be in a PT.
Whilst possible it could be she needs to be in a non-factional PT or some other way of phrasing that excludes a mafia PT.
I like your gusto though.
Coming to the same conclusions here, too.
I don't think Gamma and Maria are on the same scumteam if either is scum here.
Basically, Gamma would be complicit with trying to make Maria's needs look townie and has no reason to doubtcast this way if scum with Maria.
In post 35, Nibbui wrote: In post 31, mutantdevle wrote:
The alternative is to just let people complete their missions on their own. My problem with that is, I don't know about any of y'all but,
the process of my quest isn't helpful to the town. (Whereas if I told you what it was, it could easily be achieved without any consequences)
.
I mean, if this is what I think it is, it kinda sounds like a scum quest to be honest.
I don't see why you would say that so easily though, I would expect you to be aware that it was a not-so-good-looking quest so...
maybe it's kinda a nice intention after all?
dunno :/
Enabling unknown factors in other player's roles should benefit us more than hurt us, regardless.
There's no way that scum have roles that will unfairly tip the balance of the game if enabled--that's awful design and if it is the case, then the game was somewhat compromised before it began.
I put trust in the mod, though, and believe fully that the interactions we get out of enabling and the likelier chance of enables being on town than scum means that the mechanic, in general, should drive engagement and be, ostensibly, pro-town. It does risk tilting role-info to scum and allows for clever scum to power up very fast but that's pretty much all it allows them so we're probably fine playing towards it.
I do get your own back-and-forth about Maria based on the sincerity of her posts, though.
+1.
In post 36, mutantdevle wrote: In post 35, Nibbui wrote: In post 31, mutantdevle wrote:
The alternative is to just let people complete their missions on their own. My problem with that is, I don't know about any of y'all but,
the process of my quest isn't helpful to the town. (Whereas if I told you what it was, it could easily be achieved without any consequences)
.
I mean, if this is what I think it is, it kinda sounds like a scum quest to be honest.
I don't see why you would say that so easily though, I would expect you to be aware that it was a not-so-good-looking quest so...
maybe it's kinda a nice intention after all?
dunno :/
It's not a full-on anti-town quest lol. It's not a quest I can achieve by myself so I'd need to work with everyone to achieve it. But I can see a way in which it could make things go badly. Don't worry though, I'm not stupid enough to fall into the trap that it kinda sets out. I imagine that we are either going to achieve my quest condition naturally or we are going to come close to it and I'm going to be like "hey, can we quickly do this:" to achieve it. It would make more sense if I claim it.
You have raised a valid thought though, do you think that the mafia are going to have specifically anti-town quests? Because if so, then that's a solid reason for everyone to claim their quests.
I don't think scum are going to have anti-town quests, just anti-town powerups.
I don't know that this discussion is fruitful, though, and I'm very against people claiming in a closed role-madness setup.
In post 37, Gamma Emerald wrote:I guess the best way to describe my quest is “disruptive”. Don’t care to say more for now.
I think it’s possible but kinda don’t feel we’d be dealing with mafia having specifically anti-town quests.
I totally get this.
I actually feel like it's very likely that there's anti-town quests mixed about the whole of the setup.
Reminds me of my Bloodborne mafia where I rewarded town players for lynching other town players.
The idea was that if town roles get powered up with the loss of other town roles, it somewhat mitigates swing.
But that setup had other problems.
In post 38, Nibbui wrote:It's not necessarily "anti-town", but let's look at an example:
A quest that is about being put on L-1 that day but surviving.
It's not "anti-town" in the sense that will do permanent damage to town or anything, it just kinda looks like a scum quest.
Idk if it's a good idea to claim quests, because it may end up revealing what kind of role townies might have while scum can maybe fakeclaim?
Like, maybe it's not a bad idea but it's something to be thought a lot before doing. Also, although I'm quite confident that at least one scum may have a scummy quest, I dunno if all of them have scummy quests at all.
Also, sometimes townies may have a not-so-good-looking quest as well, it can happen that maybe someone with a quest similar to my example is town, and then not only would we be giving scum a lot of info, we would be clinging in to a sloppy rope.
JJH spent a lot of time doing the quests and setup, I wouldn't be confident that there is such a cheesy way to go about scum hunting.
If we get to know the quest of someone by other means though, it might not be a bad idea to wonder if it's scummy or not.
I don't think claiming quests is a great idea for exactly the reason you kind of came to here;
It's incredibly easy for scum to secretly fulfill their quest but to claim something absolutely false--shit, they could even claim stuff that makes town waste uses of their roles or puts town in compromised positions.
I would think long and hard before gating how you play and the actions you submit based solely on fulfilling someone else's quest.
I'm working toward's Maria's being fulfilled, but that's because I am fairly sure I'd get a lot out of having a PT with her and the only way it's waste is if she's some sort of PT-blocker or PT-based-killer but that'd all be incredibly evident after the PT stuff happens and would shade her as absolutely guilty.
I do agree with this--wouldn't an anti-town quest be something like 'hammer a town player' or 'get someone to use their doctor action on you instead of another townie'?
In post 40, Gamma Emerald wrote:And yeah, given jjh’s habit of picking apart roles I think he knows to avoid making something easily gamed.
I agree; let's put our faith in the mod and play as normal.
In post 41, ChibiBear wrote:Nevermind
Pedit: Hey that's what I was about to guess!
I don't really see why that would be a scum quest in particular though.
Ditto. Please add more to the conversation besides parroting, Chibi.
In post 42, ChibiBear wrote:
Idk, just seems like the obvious conclusion considering what he said? I was thinking of the exact same thing.
How did it seem obvious?
What did he say to make it seem obvious?
Walk me through this like I am a child.
In post 43, northsidegal wrote: In post 32, mutantdevle wrote:Wait, can we infer that MariaR is town from her quest? Since mafia would already be in a PT.
probably not, the quest could very easily be "be added to another private topic" or something along the same vein. it's also possible that getting into a PT isn't part of her quest at all and is actually some element of her main role
although i am somewhat inferring that you're town from this post
VOTE: nk15
NSG, why the NK15 vote?
What do you think of my points on NK15 so far?
While I do come to the same conclusions you do, I dunno if this is you trying to keep a possibly town!maria from being townread for claiming or not.
Slight townread here but also paranoia.
Did you or did you not?
It's the first thing you posted, so there's no way of us knowing otherwise.
That much seems obvious.
Why the sudden flipping of the question?
Seems overtly defensive.
-1.
In post 45, mutantdevle wrote:
Yeah, that's a better way of explaining it. My quest isn't necessarily disruptive though, just that it
could
be.
Hey, maybe don't tilt anymore here.
In post 46, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Exposure: I had that exact quest in a game I replaced into in order to make my role better. So I thought you read that game and saw it, or you were in it on another account.
Could you link that game?
I wasn't aware other games had 'quests' like this.
I mean. Besides my games.
Oh boy am I influential?
Please someone feed my ego.
In post 47, northsidegal wrote: In post 41, ChibiBear wrote:Nevermind
Pedit: Hey that's what I was about to guess!
I don't really see why that would be a scum quest in particular though.
what were you saying nevermind to?
I'd like to know this as well but, NSG, aren't there more pressing avenues of investigation?
Why are you completely ignoring page 1's interactions?
Thank you.
I always found Dang Ole Ron Paul to be cringy anime malarky.
I don't consider it good writing.
I don't like the character designs or aesthetic.
I don't get why people like it.
I have the same feelings about Higurashi; it's just trying too hard to be edgy and subversive.
In post 49, ChibiBear wrote:I was about to also guess about the quest being needing to get to L-1 or L-2 or something similar but Nibbi beat me to it.
I assume this is because of something to do with the character?
For the record, people shouldn't claim their picks exactly for these reasons.
In post 50, Nibbui wrote: In post 46, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Exposure: I had that exact quest in a game I replaced into in order to make my role better. So I thought you read that game and saw it, or you were in it on another account.
Yeah, but that's not it to be honest, I naturally thought of it when thinking about not-so-good-looking quests, it's a pretty easy quest to come up with.
Can we move on from this conversation?
It's pointless and is taking up too much space.
Maybe don't make obvious picks with easy solves for how they'd render into Mafia?
Like damn, son.
What? Why?
Ditto on this, need an explanation.
+1 to Nibbul for driving the conversation away from shitposting and fluff, maybe they are tow--
In post 54, Nibbui wrote:nvm it's probably too soon for that
back to shitposting
In post 55, northsidegal wrote:
-shrug-
i townlean you, mutant, and also maybe gamma. i figured that out of everyone who had posted so far, voting NK15 would be the most likely to have some sort of effect in helping sort him (along with his entrance being just sort of awkward enough for me to want to do so)
Can you go more into why you consider NK15's entrance awkward and worth voting for a sort?
Can you explain the townleans on Mutant and Gamma?
It seems like we're coming to a lot of the same conclusions here.
Which, on one hand, reassures me about you a bit, but
On the other
makes me noided AF.
In post 56, Nibbui wrote: In post 55, northsidegal wrote:
(along with his entrance being just sort of awkward enough for me to want to do so)
yeah I was like
"if someone asked me who we should burn just based on entrance posts maybe NK15 wasn't a bad option huh"
but that's not a "reason" that we can discuss
In post 55, northsidegal wrote:
voting NK15 would be the most likely to have some sort of effect in helping sort him
Mmmmh, maybe I'm being slow and I don't get it, but why? do you perhaps have experience playing with him?
Yeah I'm with Nibbul on this.
Please explain a lot more.
+1 to Nibbul.
Fairly certain Nibbul is lock-town here.
I kinda get this.
Though I wish there was more questioning to prod NK15 into doing something.
In post 58, northsidegal wrote:yeah, a few games i think. i vaguely remember him overreacting to votes or something along those lines (i didn't really check)
And do you think that over-reaction would make his alignment clear?
Or is it liable to just get people ML'd and drive attention further away from the important parts of the game?
In post 59, Gamma Emerald wrote:Mind telling why you think explaining the reaction test helps? I had a somewhat recent game where I saw someone was reaction testing me because I saw their post after posting about something unrelated to their test but still part of the game.
Who is this directed at?
Nibbul or NSG or both?
In post 60, northsidegal wrote:it was barely ever a "reaction test" in the first place, i just felt like voting someone and NK15 seemed like a good choice. the fact that i'm actually voting him and think that his entrance was awkward enough to warrant a vote has also not changed, so he's still that much actually closer to a lynch
I'm glad you stood by your vote and resisted shrugging it off as a reaction test.
You're gonna accept that at face value?
What do you think of NSG's vote and open-pressure?
In post 62, Nibbui wrote:maybe and just maybe NSG is town.
I feel as if I've only seen her as town recently so I'm a bit afraid here though
NSG tends to obv-town though she's been really lazy lately so I dunno.
Why are you afraid?
Gross.
Aint no one got time to be reading wikis.
Meta a trash anyway.
Why would you point someone AWAY FROM THE GAME AT HAND?
Just doesn't make sense to me.
Probably a playstyle thing though.
In post 64, Gamma Emerald wrote:Are you activity telling me again -_-
I just read your PT for the coalition, and I object to the idea of a straight activity read. You can try to read me on engagement, I engage in different ways as town and scum I feel. But you can’t just try activity read me like Creature (which doesn’t work either).
Can you explain your history with people activity reading you?
I don't understand the context.
In post 65, northsidegal wrote:can't really activity tell you in the first 12 hours of a game. and despite what i said there, i didn't actually end up doing that.
What's informing your Gamma read then?
In post 66, Nibbui wrote:
Oh, that might help.
My to-do reading list is a bit rough here though, lots of people I don't have experience with or haven't seen enough of them.
In post 64, Gamma Emerald wrote:Are you activity telling me again -_-
I just read your PT for the coalition, and I object to the idea of a straight activity read. You can try to read me on engagement, I engage in different ways as town and scum I feel. But you can’t just try activity read me like Creature (which doesn’t work either).
It's still amusing for me when you frequently post though (later or in the middle of the game)
it kinda feels like there is a elephant in the room and we might need to address it
I'm the elephant, right?
It's me, right?
No, really, what are you hinting at here even?
In post 69, Not Known 15 wrote:Any... guess you already belong to the Mafia PT?
Nearly impossible to verify without wasting a nightkill - and by far not guranteed to be town-ish...
talking about things and avoiding reading/rvs...
This is not the town version of MariaR!
VOTE: MariaR
It's interesting that NK15 has come to this conclusion but problematic to me for a few reasons.
1. NK15 needs to drive attention elsewhere but isn't reacting to the votes on himself outright.
2. MariaR is likelier town than scum here even if it's sub-optimal play to claim bulletproof.
3. The outright condemnation without probing really seems like a mind made up rather than someone actually trying to gamesolve, which may be NAI, but isn't really pro-town to me.
Why don't you address the points against you, NK15?
Why don't you engage NSG?
Same. Good post by Gamma. Asking what needs to be asked.
Bad post is bad. You've got 70 posts to analyze here and you're posting this kind of entry-level fluff?
Let me show you how a real entry post should look, child.
Why aren't you?
Anyone can do anything as scum and town.
Pointless.
You're adding little to the convo right now Kokichi.
Change that.
In post 74, Elbirn wrote: In post 69, Not Known 15 wrote:Any... guess you already belong to the Mafia PT?
Nearly impossible to verify without wasting a nightkill - and by far not guranteed to be town-ish...
talking about things and avoiding reading/rvs...
This is not the town version of MariaR!
VOTE: MariaR
>"Nearly impossible to verify without wasting a nightkill"
>"Wasting a nightkill"
>NK15 is thinking from the perspective of a night kill not working as being a bad thing
Gg ez
VOTE: NK15
Yeah, this is kind of funny if true.
Please don't try to greentext on forums where you can't.
It's unbecoming of you.
Do you really believe in this as a slip?
What about NK15's play otherwise?
That shit should be evident from when this post finally goes through.
Yeah you better fuckin build a house and get a job in me 'cus I'm town as heck.
What about you, Elbirn, my pal?
You town?
Thoughts on other slots, pls?
In post 76, Kokichi Oma wrote:Yeah nk15 post was bad. But lets not lynch yet. We should do a mini game today
I agree, we should do minigames instead of turbo-lynching.
I'm willing to vote NK15 for a few reasons but I'd much rather spend the day phase sussing things out.
In post 77, MariaR wrote:It was bad but I'm trying to debate if he really belives it or not
Howso?
Aren't you always?
What does ignoring the joke tell you about their approach to play here?
Please don't fluff-engage.
In post 81, Gamma Emerald wrote:
So, like this is supposed to be 100% trustworthy? I heard this in a past game but have minimal clue as to the actual validity. Although it’s possible there’s a connection between that and this because jjh and Nico were both in that game (Nico as Carnelian, who flaked) and iirc were in two slots that were both Miller.
It's really, really hard for me to believe Nico claiming miller.
I'll take it at face value, though.
There's no reason to believe an investigative check doesn't yield a guilty on Nico.
People are best served using such checks on other players anyway.
Nico will sort themselves out.
Go on?
Are you still joking around here or is this earnest?
Are you still joking around here or is this earnest?
Basically what I mean with my earlier posts re:Nico.
What do you make of the claim otherwise, Kokichi?
You should have 1 role and 2 flavor-roles that can become real roles.
In post 86, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I’m not merely judging off what’s in that post. Either becoming a listmod changed you or thus is way too serious compared to the Maria I know, who would get upset at the joke or something.
Is it alignment-indicative?
If not, pls drop it.
Catching up is hard enough without having to consider the validity of Joke posts.
In post 87, MariaR wrote:I...was making a joke back at you I thought that was painfully clear.
Okay good but that doesn't diffuse the possible situation.
Please just address Gamma genuinely moving forward.
Setup is designed such that he does, don't let him trick you otherwise.
I think it's more likely Kokichi just didn't read right or something.
Yeah, jokes in games never are. Leave em for someplace else.
I'm tryin'a win this game, not make jokes.
Even if I am one.
I think everyone wants to win the minigames.
In post 91, Kokichi Oma wrote:If I win the mini game, I can unlock a person's 2nd role PM for them. So I can unlock whoever we all think is towniest. Sound good?
Fairly certain multiple roles unlock based on this.
Let's just have an actual competition to win them instead of colluding.
This sort of proposition is way worse than Maria's "someone put me in a PT" sorta thing.
<3
I kinda got it
But seriously.
Please focus on the game.
In post 93, MariaR wrote:mutant is town along with a hidden sr and tr I do not feel to name atm.
Why's mutant town here?
Explain how you came to that conclusion a bit more?
In post 94, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 91, Kokichi Oma wrote:If I win the mini game, I can unlock a person's 2nd role PM for them. So I can unlock whoever we all think is towniest. Sound good?
That only works if you win twice
The first time you win you unlock your own role
Unless you somehow just got no roles at all, which is kinda sketchy.
Yeah, ditto, think that a lot of people/everyone has a role that unlocks solely off of minigame
Since that's THE FUCKING SETUP.
"16. If you win a minigame, you will unlock your minigame role PM.
17. If you win a minigame and your minigame role PM is already unlocked, you can choose another player who will unlock their minigame role PM.
18. If you finish your quest, you will unlock your quest role PM."
And if it's not alignment indicative, please drop it.
I'm tired of having to come back to this quote thread.
Damn.
It's clearly me, Elbarn.
In post 97, MariaR wrote:
This is really ironic but I'm gonna not continue this conversation.
Pedit: Oh no
In post 98, Kokichi Oma wrote: In post 94, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 91, Kokichi Oma wrote:If I win the mini game, I can unlock a person's 2nd role PM for them. So I can unlock whoever we all think is towniest. Sound good?
That only works if you win twice
The first time you win you unlock your own role
Unless you somehow just got no roles at all, which is kinda sketchy.
No I automatically unlock their 2nd role PM. I just need to win 1
Since you're already soft-confirmed for poor reading comprehension ("Wait we have roles!?")
Please re-read the setup and your role so we know you're not just misreading.
Can you explain how you came to this townread and, furthermore;
Why are you insisting you're not scum here? Do you typically scumread maria in games where you're town and vice-versa?
I'll unlock u any day bby
In post 102, Gamma Emerald wrote:Oh gosh what if Kokichi went for the easy pick and that became his normal, or possibly worse his quest role
Fairly obvious.
In post 103, Not Known 15 wrote: In post 74, Elbirn wrote: In post 69, Not Known 15 wrote:Any... guess you already belong to the Mafia PT?
Nearly impossible to verify without wasting a nightkill - and by far not guranteed to be town-ish...
talking about things and avoiding reading/rvs...
This is not the town version of MariaR!
VOTE: MariaR
>"Nearly impossible to verify without wasting a nightkill"
>"Wasting a nightkill"
>NK15 is thinking from the perspective of a night kill not working as being a bad thing
Gg ez
VOTE: NK15
Yeah no. A town nightkill is wasted because it could hit non-bulletproof scum instead( of verifying something that isn't towny in the first place).
The mafia nightkill is not in the hands of town so it is obviously not part of that verification process.
Cute that you're trying to twist this to being about a 'town nightkill' when in literally the site standard is that scum are the ones that do nightkills and town have 'Vigilante shots' and your original post that Elbirn took umbrage with only states 'Nightkill' and makes no clear indication that you intended 'town nightkill'.
