Mini 2039: uPicketyPicketyPick Mafia Endgame

[RadiantCowbells]

hold off for a bit fire plspls

[Firebringer]

UNVOTE:
fine

[Elbirn]

On topic though, hot take: varsoon and RC, I've gathered you both have a masturbation contest at each other every game you play and I'm content to ignore the both of you so long as this goes on because I don't think anything AI can be gathered from the two of you interacting with each other. Hopefully you both start to chafe and give up soon and we can move along

[Nibbui]

Also who is the utter T H O T who didn't add me to a neighborhood

Somebody masonize me those are fun

I'm a cult leader though can I recruit you tonight?

I promise my cult thread is a nice place to hang out

Yes considering my despair and dejection from society at large I am a ripe target for a murder cult this is fine[/quote]
we're having a communitary barbecue in N1

bring snacks.

@Radiant what is your experience with Varsoon and what is more or less your ratio of misreading/correctly reading him?

[RadiantCowbells]

we actually don't, at least not from my point of view. he was trying his best to mislynch me in our last game and I said that he was a near 100% townread.

i did say he was playing fucking terribly but I never thought he was scum.

[Firebringer]

On topic though, hot take: varsoon and RC, I've gathered you both have a masturbation contest at each other every game you play and I'm content to ignore the both of you so long as this goes on because I don't think anything AI can be gathered from the two of you interacting with each other. Hopefully you both start to chafe and give up soon and we can move along

do u think varsoon is acting normal for him in this game?

[ChibiBear]

Chibi you don't have anything else to say to me about your vote?

Sure. Your reluctance to post was weird to me and I didn’t like it but it’s obviously not

necessarily

scum.

Either way I wanted to see you post more because if you’re scum, it would help me read you. (duh)
If you’re town, you’re a strong player so we’re going to do better in the game if you talk more.

Pedit: On my phone rn, expect me to lag behind.

[Elbirn]

we actually don't, at least not from my point of view. he was trying his best to mislynch me in our last game and I said that he was a near 100% townread.

i did say he was playing fucking terribly but I never thought he was scum.

Then perhaps I'm way off base, and if that's so then I apologize. I do feel that the way you're both interacting doesnt seem productive to me

On topic though, hot take: varsoon and RC, I've gathered you both have a masturbation contest at each other every game you play and I'm content to ignore the both of you so long as this goes on because I don't think anything AI can be gathered from the two of you interacting with each other. Hopefully you both start to chafe and give up soon and we can move along

do u think varsoon is acting normal for him in this game?

Well he's trying hard and being slightly abrasive to those he disagrees with and those are very Varsoony traits? I don't know what he's doing that's not normal

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not trying to interact with him. I think that my interacting with him is the single least productive thing I could do and also bad for the gamestate.
I can read him better off how he interacts with others than me anyway because there's tons of baggage with regards to his me interactions.

[Varsoon]

The fact you start in a neighborhood makes me think you're likelier scum than town.

Are you...not the guy who modded a game with an all town neighborhood, or did I make that up/misremembering something?

...My point being neighborhoods dont (or shouldnt) have any bearing on alignment and I think you should be aware of that :/

If I had designed this game, a game in which players compete to upgrade their roles in minigames, then I would give scum neighborizing powers/neighbors, so they can exert more influence over what is, on paper, a mechanic that swings in town's favor 2/3 of the time.

@RC: I've literally interacted with every single post in the first several pages of this game. I have interacted with every slot. The fact your read on me right now is so wrong is indicative that your judgment can not be trusted.
I am to then believe one of two things.
1. You are a good player but must lie because you are scum.
2. You are not a good player and can not discern my alignment accurately despite a huge amount of content to base a read off of.

What is it, RC? Are you scum and good at Mafia or are you town and willing to admit that you could be wrong about your 'top scumread'?

[Varsoon]

Chibi, don't be tricked.
RC isn't a strong player.
Strong players can lead town to victory.
Strong players can acknowledge their weaknesses and grow.
Proof is in the pudding. Lynch RC and the flip will prove their strength as a player.

[Firebringer]

ur literally trying to antagonize rc here.

[Varsoon]

Hell, in post-game, it'll be obvious for everyone, and if RC is town, he'll be swearing up and down about how justified his read was and how it wasn't a mistake.
But RC isn't town here.

[Varsoon]

ur literally trying to antagonize rc here.

So what if I am?
RC needs to play the game.
If I have to kick the hornet's nest to get him to do it, I will.

[Firebringer]

ur literally trying to antagonize rc here.

So what if I am?
RC needs to play the game.
If I have to kick the hornet's nest to get him to do it, I will.

no if u do, i am going to have to ask the mod to interject because ur intentionally trying to provoke someone.

[Varsoon]

It's against the rules to try to provoke other people to produce content?

[ChibiBear]

ur literally trying to antagonize rc here.

So what if I am?
RC needs to play the game.
If I have to kick the hornet's nest to get him to do it, I will.

no if u do, i am going to have to ask the mod to interject because ur intentionally trying to provoke someone.

You can’t be serious. How is this sort of interaction even anywhere close to needing mod intervention?

[Firebringer]

It's against the rules to try to provoke other people to produce content?

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Basic Conduct

1. Do not make any post or start any thread with the
   intent to insult or offend any other user on this site.
   
   [/quote]

[Firebringer]

It's against the rules to try to provoke other people to produce content?

Basic Conduct

1. Do not make any post or start any thread with the
   intent to insult or offend any other user on this site.

[ChibiBear]

Chibi, don't be tricked.
RC isn't a strong player.
Strong players can lead town to victory.
Strong players can acknowledge their weaknesses and grow.
Proof is in the pudding. Lynch RC and the flip will prove their strength as a player.

Eh. He managed to pretty much win the game for us last time as town, but admittedly only barely.
Either way as I said, my main interest is seeing him (and others) post more so this works fine for me.

[Varsoon]

The basic conduct rule you quoted is from a general list of rules that are "apply to any posts made outside of a game, including all Discussion/Administration forums, the Queues, and post-game."
These posts of mine are not outside of a game.

Global site Game Specific Rule 8 is "Since Mafia is based largely on conflict and psychological manipulation, we are somewhat more tolerant of aggressive and heated posts in-game than in the rest of the forums. However, game mods will often take action for excessively abusive behavior or slurs, up to and including a force-replacement or modkill."

Would you categorize my prodding of RC to take a firm stance based on the actual content of this game as 'somewhat aggressive and heated' or 'excessively abusive'?

P-EDIT: If you listen to him here and lynch me, town has a significantly lower chance of winning.
I won't let RC bully another game into submission and when the players of that game happen to scrape a win, let him gloat about how great of a player he is.

[Firebringer]

You can’t be serious. How is this sort of interaction even anywhere close to needing mod intervention?

i mean i think its pretty obvious what varsoon is doing and if you can't see it, i don't think your reading it very well.

theres a difference between focusing on arguments for why rc is scum rather than him as a player and varsoon has at every chance attacked him as a player even when it is not warranted and unprovoked. I don't know what you call that besides gross.

[Varsoon]

If RC is really town here and really as good as he claims to be, he'll be capable of discerning my alignment truthfully.
The fact RC has me as their highest scumread and has posted nothing of substance by page 13, repeatedly turning down my questions towards their slot, should be indicative of one of two things:
1. They are scum
2. They are town and wrong

[Varsoon]

No, Firebringer, I don't know what you're talking about. RC is a strong player that leads towns to victory.
So, if RC is town here, they'll be able to elaborate on why they scumread me, engage with the entirety of the playerbase, come around to an accurate read, and work towards a town wincon.
Right now they aren't doing any of that.

[Firebringer]

The basic conduct rule you quoted is from a general list of rules that are "apply to any posts made outside of a game, including all Discussion/Administration forums, the Queues, and post-game."
These posts of mine are not outside of a game.

Global site Game Specific Rule 8 is "Since Mafia is based largely on conflict and psychological manipulation, we are somewhat more tolerant of aggressive and heated posts in-game than in the rest of the forums. However, game mods will often take action for excessively abusive behavior or slurs, up to and including a force-replacement or modkill."

Would you categorize my prodding of RC to take a firm stance based on the actual content of this game as 'somewhat aggressive and heated' or 'excessively abusive'?

P-EDIT: If you listen to him here and lynch me, town has a significantly lower chance of winning.
I won't let RC bully another game into submission and when the players of that game happen to scrape a win, let him gloat about how great of a player he is.

I am telling you right here varsoon.

You are trying to provoke a player and the path your going down will lead to a very aggressive and heated fight between you two and it can easily lead to ban, which is why I am asking you to stop.

i don't think you hiding behind the tolerance of the rules is cool when you know full well what you are doing and should know clearly what will occur. I am not even saying for you to be kicked/removed or anything, I would say that mod should give a warning for anyone trying to make this game personal. Because you are very much going into that territory.