Mini 2039: uPicketyPicketyPick Mafia Endgame

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells
The double standard is real

[Varsoon]

Gamma, do you still think that the series of posts I highlighted doesn't reflect progression from my early townread on you to coming to suspect you for being on my wagon without much in the way of Gamma-original rationale for it?

If so, why?

[RadiantCowbells]

what double standard?

[RadiantCowbells]

ohhh

:shrug:

if there's a reason for her to be less invested in this game she should say so.

why do you think that makes me scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, do you still think that the series of posts I highlighted doesn't reflect progression from my early townread on you to coming to suspect you for being on my wagon without much in the way of Gamma-original rationale for it?

If so, why?

I can see it better now that it was pointed out
As for the double standard, look at the reaction when Varsoon and RC voted Nico
I’d bet my bottom dollar Nico is town off that too

[Varsoon]

Can you pull quotes that illustrate that double standard?
I know I caught flak but I think that was largely due to RC not having distance from our 1v1.
Now that he does, do you think it's still across the line for him to push NR like that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Pretty sure more than just RC pushed you?

[Varsoon]

For when I stopped 1v1ing to try to push Nico for content?

[Gamma Emerald]

For when you started doing that

[RadiantCowbells]

@Gamma explain in words why you are currently voting me

[Varsoon]

From looking back on it:
Nibbui softs a better reason to believe Nico is scum but still hasn't divulged it (as far as I am aware) despite hinting at it again.
NK15 said some backwards logic that somehow led to a vote on RC there that everyone questioned.
Firebringer called it a vanity push.
RC called it a lazy counterwagon.
MutantDevle saw it as backing out of a 1v1 where no one supported me.

Spoiler: What I'm pulling from

a lazy counterwagon.

It's not as lazy as you may think it is.

That is all I'm going to say for now.

ur NR push is bad and i agree with RC that it doesn't make any sense to focus on Nico when she has literally done nothing.
it is a vanity push.

and i am not clear on why you want to sort her slot.

Actually, these switches off RC towards a lurker lynch is very suspicious from the ones who advocate it - and it does make a scum RC ... more likely.

It's not coincidence that the moment I stopped floundering and started mustering my energy to fuck Varsoon up he put his vote on a lazy counterwagon.

But more on that later, I have better stuff to do rn

Yeah it's not like I mentioned and voted Nico earlier and that people largely don't feel like voting you right now,
It's not like it's clear that if I continue voting you, you're not going to do anything but OMGUS me and be petulant,
Yeah it's for sure not the case that I'm sheeping my highest townread on a read that I believe in and put stock in their confidence in.
Naw, couldn't be that.

I'm at a real loss as to how you think the push against Nico is lazy or a counterwagon.

I don't know about anyone else but I personally read this as "nobody seems to support me in this 1v1 so I'm going to back out".

[Varsoon]

Can you pull quotes that illustrate that double standard?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like the situations of Varsoon's vote and my vote are utterly incomparable
Varsoon was called out for it (and by multiple people, not just me) because it didn't seem to mesh with his trajectory up to that point. Whether that's true or not I make no comment on at this time
I am not being called out for it because it matches my trajectory: giving Varsoon to day 3 was something I brought up like literal days ago and I believe I've expressed my dislike of Nicorobin's slot multiple times

your 180 on me is really scummy if I'm not missing something here

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I thought the double standard you were referring to was the fact that I, on occasion, favor certain games and that's not usually AI and that would be a genuine point
what you seem to have said is 'oh look RC voted Nicorobin in the exact same way and nothing happened and that's really scummy and nico is town!!!" and thats eww

[Varsoon]

I feel like, especially after I swapped to vote Gamma, Gamma 180ing on RC feels manipulative to me especially.
Like to get me to follow back there and drop back into 1v1 mode.
I dunno.
Maybe not?
Is that just me being really cynical?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma explain in words why you are currently voting me

I think the fact you received no blowback for voting Nico prior to my vote is rather shady given the reaction to Varsoon doing so
Given both sides telling me I have it wrong I’ll look back and see if I’m looking at this differently than I should
This will also give me the chance to find quotes if I still think my point is valid post-going back to look.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like the situations of Varsoon's vote and my vote are utterly incomparable
Varsoon was called out for it (and by multiple people, not just me) because it didn't seem to mesh with his trajectory up to that point. Whether that's true or not I make no comment on at this time
I am not being called out for it because it matches my trajectory: giving Varsoon to day 3 was something I brought up like literal days ago and I believe I've expressed my dislike of Nicorobin's slot multiple times

your 180 on me is really scummy if I'm not missing something here

The circumstances feel awful similar
Both of you reacted to a headwind of your push by going after Nico. Again, maybe I’m misremembering but that’s how I think it played out when Varsoon did it

[Varsoon]

So how does the differences in other people's reactions make RC likelier to be scum here?

[Gamma Emerald]

So how does the differences in other people's reactions make RC likelier to be scum here?

Because I think the selective comes from scum wanting to scumpaint your actions, while RC is scum and scumpainting him hurts scum wincon
And FYI this idea of thinking scum is behind blowback comes from some meta experience I consider rather solid.

[Varsoon]

So you're saying that one of Firebringer or Mutant is scum with RC?

I don't think FB and RC can be scum together unless the extra votes FB got can't function in LYLO.

[RadiantCowbells]

varsoon vote on nico came out of nowhere.
there was all this song and dance about not doing the 1v1 anymore so I switched and the target happened to be the same one that varsoon had previously voted.

there's literally no comparison between these instances and you insisting there is doesn't give me good feelings about your alignment gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

Would say mutant over fire but yes.

[Varsoon]

So why are you going RC over Mutant here, then?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because RC already has votes?

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: gamma