Mini 2039: uPicketyPicketyPick Mafia Endgame

[Firebringer]

Varsoon remember when you said you wanted to be civil. Here’s your chance

[RadiantCowbells]

If you think that's an out of game appeal

You think that I'm town

So why are you voting me?

This doesn't logically follow, a scum-rc still has a feud with varsoon...

RC I had a lot easier of a time working with you when you and varsoon werent at each others throats. Can ya put that boy on ignore and look elsewhere? I still dont grasp your mariaR scumread and I dont know that you've ever elaborated on it, can we go there?

I gave him his chance. I'm not letting him live.

[RadiantCowbells]

Elbirn you know full well I tried to avoid this but I'm finishing it.

[RadiantCowbells]

I would ask you to pop in as well

And the idea that I as scum would do that in this situation is laughable

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I personally appeal on occasion as scum.

But this is well beyond plausibly thinking that I'm scum.

[Varsoon]

@RC: You literally provoked me, even after I asked you to stop, multiple times, and my response culminated in catching a signup ban, so
Yes?

@FB: I'm just explaining why I think my top scumread is scum.
I'm not posting any expletives, swears, or attacks on RC's character.
If my casing itself is too aggressive of play to be considered civil, I'll back off.
I want other people to consider my points, too, so I'm not keen on walling up against RC again.

[RadiantCowbells]

You provoked me repeatedly

Your provocations not being met with the kind of deference you hoped for made you freak out and get banned

[RadiantCowbells]

You first personally attacked me on page 1 of this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

But sure, I don't care. I don't care about you enough for it to affect me. I just want your scum ass lynched.

[Varsoon]

It is somewhat of a concern to me that you saw my early posts in the game as personally provocative, but do not see insistently refraining that someone else isn't a good enough player to get you lynched (and that everyone agrees) or having a fragile ego as insulting.

Furthermore, it's hard to think you aren't being intentionally manipulative when you positioned my own comments as personal attacks on you in order to justify a 1v1 on me.

These two points, combined, make me fairly sure that the kinds of manipulation you are performing in this game are scum-motivated.

[RadiantCowbells]

Say what you think you need to say man

[RadiantCowbells]

There's a better way to play scum than this.

I sincerely hope you're not imitating your perception of my scum game.

[Gamma Emerald]

You first personally attacked me on page 1 of this game.

eh wot
I don't see any posts from varsoon page 1? do you mean in his wall

[RadiantCowbells]

I meant the wall, my bad. I vaguely remembered it as post 16 then I realized my post that he quoted was post 16

[Elbirn]

I'm not sure what you expect differently from me. I'm trying to sort your alignment to the best of my ability. I'm sorry if I'm not as good at it as you want me to be?

It honestly doesn’t feel like ur trying.
And I am starting to think you hooded me only because you believed I was the only person you could easily convince to vote with you regardless of alignment and time thinking that was ur goal there thinks I don’t want to help you.

Presume you're town. Why does scum-rc give a triple vote to anyone but a scumbuddy?

Elbirn, I townread RC.
I am just not voting with him

If you think that's an out of game appeal

You think that I'm town

So why are you voting me?

This doesn't logically follow, a scum-rc still has a feud with varsoon...

RC I had a lot easier of a time working with you when you and varsoon werent at each others throats. Can ya put that boy on ignore and look elsewhere? I still dont grasp your mariaR scumread and I dont know that you've ever elaborated on it, can we go there?

I gave him his chance. I'm not letting him live.

Remember that there is a second lynch occurring this night. Who's lynch #2 and why?

[Elbirn]

Didnt mean to quote fb, I have a bad habit of smashing that mother fucking multiquote button and then forgetting

[Varsoon]

If I had two lynches: RC and, depending on how that flips, NK15.

[RadiantCowbells]

If NSG flakes out then MariaR

Maaaybe nk15

[Elbirn]

If NSG flakes out then MariaR

Maaaybe nk15

Can you walk me through NSG, or MariaR because I've been slightly town reading her. I'd search your iso but I dont know that you've gone in depth on that one, and your iso size is daunting.

[RadiantCowbells]

I have said absolutely nothing in terms of an explanation for MariaR iirc. I can try to case it but it's mostly gut feelings and I think that it is healthier for me to focus on bringing Varsoon down since this game is already taking a toll on me without having to fight on multiple fronts.

NSG I think I knee jerk called her scum because I was frustrated with her play and reading her posts I don't scumread her anymore

[mutantdevle]

Okay, so I've just spent the last 3 hours catching up because my time allowed it. I read most of it but I think like literally everyone skipped some of the RC v Varsoon stuff because it got quite tedious.

Honestly Varsoon, despite your claim, I still want to lynch you. I think my problem with your claim is pretty much the same as everyone else's problem with it. It's

too

clever. It keeps you alive with the whole IC thing and the whole concept of a roulette gives you room to claim pretty much any ability if you needed to. Someone cop checks you? Oh, you just so happened to get a miller pacifier that night. I think RC was generous in originally saying they'd let you live to day 3 because I personally would want you dead on day 2 if you weren't confirmed.

Also not going to lie, I find it a little insulting that you'd think the people voting for you are solely voting for you because we're either being convinced by RC or just unable to catch up. I was scum reading you before I fell behind on this thread and even before you got majorly into the 1v1 with RC. Your play this game hasn't exactly been the towniest. The only thing that RC has said about you that I'd strongly agree with is that there are points where you'd argue with him as though you knew he was town. Most of the rest of what he's said I've written off as arrogance and toxicity. None of the meta reasons he's given about you I buy in to because at no point has he ever back them up. But the thing is, those reasons don't matter because I think you're scum anyway. RC has been undeniably toxic in this 1v1, I don't think anyone disagrees with that, but you've also been toxic at points too. Additionally, RC was in my voting pool before this spat started and he isn't really anymore. I've not judged either of you by how toxic this 1v1 has been (if I did then RC would 100% be being lynched instead) but have instead tried to pick out the AI stuff from your pages of back and forth and interactions with others.


Eldrin, I think it's wise that you're using your minigame ability now though I don't think it's mechanically optimal. Given that there isn't really a clear candidate for a 2nd lynch I'm not so confident that we'd be able to come up with one during the short period of a night phase (so I hope your ability extends the night phase or I've just misinterpreted how it works). I don't think you should have claimed your ability tbh.

Does anyone have any meta examples of Nico explicitly lurking and replacing out of only her scum games? Because I've played with Nico as both alignments and I remember her lurking and replacing out of all of them except 1. I don't really see MariaR as a good candidate for a lynch either as I've seen nothing to suggest her lack of involvement is scum indicative. In general, I think its bad to lynch lurkers in the early game due to how little information you'd get from their flip.

I remember that Gamma was criticised for some scummy stuff that I kinda agreed with but I can't remember what any of that was now because it was overshadowed by FB being scummy too. FB's reaction to not derp hammering has shaken my read on him but there are definitely other people that I'd want lynched way before him.

No other slot, except Nibbui, has really done anything noteworthy. But I'll take about that later. Right now I want to go and enjoy some food.

What's the votecount?

[mutantdevle]

Oh, there's only 2 votes on Varsoon? I thought there was more than that.

[RadiantCowbells]

Firebringer hasn't voted him (yet? but idk if he will)

I don't agree with you that I was the root of the toxicity mutant

[Gamma Emerald]

@mutant what is your own read on me rn in general
Also Maria hasn't come off as a lurker imo
and @Elbirn does your role work as mutant interprets it, not extending night? that is kinda ass if so. When I implemented that type of role in earthbound mafia I made sure there was ample time for the second lynch (it was also a second day phase rather than a night lynch)

[Varsoon]

I absolutely won't become a miller because it's not one of my possible modifiers, Mutant.
Try again.