Mini 2039: uPicketyPicketyPick Mafia Endgame

[Firebringer]

I am guessing you don't want to talk about it, is there anything I can do to cheer you up?
perhaps a stupid joke from my bag of stupid jokes?

[Firebringer]

this comic really made me laugh my ass of this morning:
http://explosm.net/comics/5106/

[Not Known 15]

Also, screw it, we only have 48 hours so I might as well compromisse.

I don't think this is flipping scum though.

VOTE: Nibbui

[Not Known 15]

I went over Nibbui's ISO and found multiple things that are scummy, and at this point Nibbui is definitely scum:

to be honest.

Honesty point number one.

VOTE: nk15

is there a reason for this?

nvm it's probably too soon for that

back to shitposting

disengaging in a weird manner - would town really do this, there?

maybe and just maybe NSG is town.

I feel as if I've only seen her as town recently so I'm a bit afraid here though

Distancing from NSG

When I saw Nibbui come to the same conclusion I thought it was pretty cool since I'm not usually any good at logical deductions, but since he also came up with the same thing, that means my logic was probably sound

I feel successfully pocketed

can I town read you already?

This is a strange thing to say as town.

to be honest

Honesty point number two

I think you're scum right now tbh.

Honesty point number three

Mutant, are you scum for real? :/

So mutant wasn't scum for real before?(see above the scum right now tbh thing)

I don't really feel scum!FB strongly at all but if there is no better options for today...

Non- comittance "I know that this flips town so I use the no better options excuse to evade scrunity"

This game I'm actually ready to headbutt on that with you tbh Radiant.

Honesty point number four

Spit your reasons out so I can explain why you're wrong.

tbh

Honesty point number five

however honestly
[...]
Honestly?

Honesty point number six and seven

I don't like it tbh...

Eight

@Nibbui: Wanna talk about it?
Because I'm flipping green here no matter how much RC spews filth and lies.
So if there's something I could to make it easier for you to read me,
turn me onto that.

I mean we can talk, but so far I doubt there's anything you can say to change my mind honestly.

Nine

My progression in all of those reads were very organic and even a bit overexplained, but you say that the fact I have multiple scum leans is a choice I made and not because of the fact that there's quite a lot of slots looking scummy.

If you don't want to be in the Nibbui's "willing to lynch" list, get townier.

Also, ranting a bit here, me actually willing to go for various slots is town-indicative because I'm always do that as town, and as scum focus on 2 or 1 people. That's not to say I'm necessarily town, but that's entirely NAI at best for me.

Very self-aware of own meta as town so this makes it NAI, indeed... EXCEPT

That's not to say I'm necessarily town,

<---- HOW DOES THAT COME FROM TOWN???

I'm not even that much confident you're scum anymore, but it's hard to see you as town to be honest. Are you perhaps a lyncher for real...?

Honesty number ten

I want to unvote so badly, but Varsoon really messed this up if he is town.

Distancing from varsoon lynch while keeping voting them.

I'm not moving my vote from you but whatever to be honest.

Even if you're scum, and to be honest I think you actually might be scum with that flip for a entirely different reason, at least It won't be my problem. If I decided the lynch, you would be the lynch today and that's good enough. I won't stress myself over convincing everyone to think like me here, this game has had enough toxicity already anyway.

I'll later explain why I think you might be scum here though.

To be honest number 11 and 12.

You can say Varsoon did a lot of shit and that's right.

Saying you have 0 responsibility is bullshit though. You're shrugging it off too easy honestly Radiant.

Even before the IC claim you were already set on your ways, but you're just trying to put all the blame on him now.

There's no clear right or wrong here for me, just unhappy things that came from both parties, maybe from one more than the other, but still from both parties.

Honesty number 13

Also, screw it, we only have 48 hours so I might as well compromisse.

I don't think this is flipping scum though.

VOTE: NK15

If you don't think that something is flipping scum then you try to fight that lynch.

TL;DR:
It is a very good indicator of scum if someone uses "to be honest" or similar often because town does have little need for dishonesty in the first place, and Nibbui has used it 13 times until now.
Nibbui used apologeticism multiple times to distance them from a lynch.
Nibbui made it clear that they are self-aware of their meta.
Their progression on mutant reads fake.
Their explanation of their vote on me is highly scummy.
Their backing down from NSG early looked like "oops I am pressuring a scumbuddy let's not do it"; why would town suddenly put all the pressure off there?
VOTE: Nibbui

[RadiantCowbells]

I think the way I've been singled out after the fact says enough about why I played this the way I did because if I didn't I'd always have lost any 1v1 with anyone off the back of "well x is towny and RC is too but who really knows that he is scum though?"

Your treatment of my slot backs me into a corner then you blame me for playing myself out of it

[RadiantCowbells]

I tried to give it a rest and wait for another day. Varsoon wouldn't let that happen. I solved the problem. I won't apologize for it.

[RadiantCowbells]

You even acknowledge that if I was anyone else I would not be scumread here, and that should tell you all you need to know.

I wonder how any of you would approach mafia if people consistently, after play that they would say is never scum from anyone else, scumread you anyway

[RadiantCowbells]

I rarely even tryhard as scum anymore. I have only given one scum game a true effort in the past year and I do this because when I'm actually power playing scum games the level of bs from this game gets jacked up to 11.

At this point it's pretty clear to me that there's literally nothing that I can say that will make you treat me like an actual player in this game so I just won't be one. I'll play in hoods and prodge until I get lynched. Cheers

[mutantdevle]

@mutant what is your own read on me rn in general

Pretty null I think. Sorting you isn't high on my list of priorities. I plan to look back on what happened to make me a little suspicious of you before the FB unsuccessful derp hammer but since all it took for me to forget about that was reading a few more pages I doubt it was anything too scummy. In general, I don't remember much of your opinions and stances in this game. That's either because you don't have a loud enough voice here or because I'm just not paying you much attention (given my absence in the game, it's probably the latter).

[Not Known 15]

Mutant, why did you not vote for the entirety of Day 1?
What do you think about my case against Nibbui?

[RadiantCowbells]

NK15 why are you not interacting with me at all? Where do you stand

[mutantdevle]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NK15

Choo-choo fuckers it's ya boi "Lil Compromise" comin' at ya on the microphone

I don't understand your logic here. You've scheduled us for 2 lynches and you want to make the more important one a compromise lynch? Given you've stated we get no extension on the night phase I don't know what you expect us to get out of the 2nd lynch.

And in response to 'when better than now' I would have thought maybe, y'know, when we've got more suspects than just a 1v1 to solve and people have actually had time to form solid reads on everyone in the game. I guess it's too late to talk about when the optimal time to use such an ability would be though.

[mutantdevle]

I wanna lynch mutant if Varsoon flips scum

Umm, why? I've been critical of Varsoon this entire game; even before the 1v1 started. What you're suggesting here is that my game plan would be to bus immediately, why do you think I would do that?

[mutantdevle]

I think MariaR's claim has some problems.
If MariaR indeed needs to be added to every PT:
What about the SCUM PT? Is she already part of it?

I thought MariaR's quest was to get into

a

PT, not all of them. One of us is misremembering what she said and I'm pretty sure it's you. Scum don't have any reason to voluntarily fake claim a quest.

[Not Known 15]

NK15 why are you not interacting with me at all? Where do you stand

Confused. I still think that you might be scum - your reads changed a bit too much. This also still applies:

the difference between me and varsoon right now
is that I'm begging everyone to judge my alignment by the varsoon flip and focusing purely on what I can bring to the table lynching scum wise to prove that I'm town
and Varsoon is repeatedly bringing up that I'm 'making this personal' with him to get the idea in people's minds so that on the off chance that he manages to win the 1v1 he can then go in tomorrow and continue off of that line of thought.

one of the pair of us is willing to say that if this read is wrong they are scum by default

. the other is not. that should tell you about

who really expects the other to flip scum

and who is just trying to survive.

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells
Not buying this. There is no need for Varsoon, if town, to expressly state that they are scum by default because that's not his decision to make anyways - and not a desirable scenario for the unlikely TVT. Everyone knows, if for whatever reason, Varsoon flips town while you are town then you will fight against your lynch.
Saying that you are scum by default is just an appeal to emotion that can easily come from scum.

But... the problem is that if Varsoon was town with that behaviour I am not sure about how I can categorize your behaviour - whether you are scum trying to powerlynch town or town in major tunnel mode saying stupid things. I think it might be easier to read into your other interactions when they actually flip - there were a lot of things directed at you by others and when scum hopefully flips then we can look back at these interactions they had with you and assess you better... because if you are town and we lynch you then we get rid of someone who is normally pretty good at scumreading and pushing scum and that's bad. This is the reason for why I currently don't push for your lynch.

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanna lynch mutant if Varsoon flips scum

Umm, why? I've been critical of Varsoon this entire game; even before the 1v1 started. What you're suggesting here is that my game plan would be to bus immediately, why do you think I would do that?

That argument would hold weight if you ever fucking voted. Since you didn’t it would have been pretty clear that you were holding out despite expressing interest which really looks like a softbus strat to me.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: NicoRobin

Gonna sheep Maria cuz she's cute and isn't calling me scum

[RadiantCowbells]

Not real feeling nk15 flipping scum rn

[Not Known 15]

I think MariaR's claim has some problems.
If MariaR indeed needs to be added to every PT:
What about the SCUM PT? Is she already part of it?

I thought MariaR's quest was to get into

a

PT, not all of them. One of us is misremembering what she said and I'm pretty sure it's you. Scum don't have any reason to voluntarily fake claim a quest.

It has already been established that it was me.
Also, I never thought it was a fake claim. The problem with that claim was - and still is - that the claim looks like something from the scum side. The ready claiming of the bulletproof portion of the quest- as reward - is probably not fake but it looks like scum motivated real claiming. What's the town motivation into claiming Bulletproof if X happens when that makes scum, unless they have a strongman attack, unlikely to use their nightkill on them?

[mutantdevle]

Wow. I was fully expecting Varsoon to have been lynched given that it's now night but I wasn't expecting that not only is he town but he lied about so much of his role... Dude. No wonder half the town scum read you when you were so dishonest with us. I think this should serve as a lesson to everyone else in this game that lying is fundamentally scummy and you will be lynched for it.

[mutantdevle]

Not shocked at all.
VOTE: Nicorobin

Why Nico and not RC?

[Not Known 15]

Not real feeling nk15 flipping scum rn

What about Nibbui? Why don't you sheep my vote? Why do you think that MariaR's push on Nico is better?

[mutantdevle]

VOTE: Not Known 15
This seems right.

Huh. So you think that the 1v1 was TvT then?

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think her push is better

As I stated I think she's cute and she's not scumreading me so

[RadiantCowbells]

Do you think it wasn't, mutant?