Mini 2039: uPicketyPicketyPick Mafia Endgame

[ChibiBear]

Scumreads then?

Oh. Is this going to be a repeat of Open 740? Fantastic. Just what I wanted to deal with.

[Elbirn]

Scumreads then?

Oh. Is this going to be a repeat of Open 740? Fantastic. Just what I wanted to deal with.

Correct! Why are you not suspicious of anyone at all? No pressure. Big smiles. Friendly people playing games. No but really who's scum?

[ChibiBear]

The last time people tried to squeeze scum reads out of me before I was ready to give them, I tried to lynch a town power role and then got mislynched and temporarily lost my goddamn mind.

Yeah, self meta, yada yada but if you really wanna know, check my ISO on Open 740. I'm not proud of it, but I won't apologise for working off townreads and PoE until I'm ready to do otherwise.

[ChibiBear]

After that huge clusterfrack I spent a few hours reading those wiki articles that are probably super outdated but they're better than nothing.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... tive_Tells

"Many games aren't won by lynching scum, but rather, by not lynching town."

The way I see it, it's a completely valid way to play the game.

[Nibbui]

It's valid, we didn't say it wasn't. But it's a very valid scum play as well.

I mean, if you aren't specifically scum reading anyone, I take you'll be up to lynch any of your null reads without a priority right?

Do you agree with me that this kind of play can be a way to scum stay float as well?

[ChibiBear]

Yup.

Considering that I got mislynched for playing this same ways a few week ago? Apparently people think so.

[ChibiBear]

Wow english is hard. You know what I meant.

[Elbirn]

...uhhhhh mmmm I'm no longer interested in bullying right now

But if I may; cuz I also generally have the goal of finding townie town and then going from there. Having frends to cooperate with is a great plan. But that doesnt mean you dont also try to determine who's scum, because that's how you achieve win con

"You're still aiming to hit the most-likely scum player, but that can sometimes be a secondary objective compared to the primary of not lynching town."

I'm not gonna harass you for reads you dont have, but if you're town you need to play both sides of the ball. You have "eh" and "null" categories, surely you have a bad gut feeling about at least one? Do a soul search on them, think about stuff. Get down in the dirt with the rest of us homie

[Elbirn]

Oh

Wait what the fuck I quoted the same thing you did *but I read it backwards*

[ChibiBear]

Yeah thanks I already got this same speech from like 3 people during my absolutely failure of a previous game but sadly, it has failed to instantly make me a better player.

[Elbirn]

Okay cool be bitter when I'm trying to be a pal

I THOUGHT WE WERE POCKET-BUDDIES CHIBI

[ChibiBear]

The only by logic scumread I managed on Day/Night 1 was RC which turned out to be completely wrong.

My gut scum read on Day 1 was Fire but I'm now starting to wonder if it's really mechanically likely that a scum player would be given a freaking triple vote, even if that triple vote is dependent on a town player's actions.

[ChibiBear]

Sorry if it came off as bitter, that's not what I meant. I was trying to be sarcastic.

[ChibiBear]

Ok fine I'm a little bit bitter but that's less at you are more at Open 740. It was a really bad experience for me.

[Nibbui]

If Maria flips scum I think Chibi is town.

and if Chibi is town It's time to wear my WIFOM hat because there is just something very wrong in our PoE.

[Nibbui]

Chibi...

I checked some of your games right now and...

are you perhaps town for real...

no way...be scum please.

I want my easy PoE to be right and just lynch scum mindlessly.

[Nibbui]

Well anyway, about your play on Open 740 I don't think it was bad, really.

It's just that your playstyle is a bit different so you'll need to play some games to people get used to it and recognize that it's how you play.

It'll be helpful as well when you do roll scum because there'll probably have differences between your plays and it'll be easier to try to read between the lines.

[Nibbui]

Ok I typed too fast #2766 but let's pray no one notices or bugs me about it.

Hopefully.

[ChibiBear]

Can you explain my apparent association with Maria's flip please? I'm genuinely interested.

And yes, I am in fact town. I would have thought that was obvious but I guess I'm biased.

'Different' Yeah let's go with that.

[Elbirn]

The only by logic scumread I managed on Day/Night 1 was RC which turned out to be completely wrong.

My gut scum read on Day 1 was Fire but I'm now starting to wonder if it's really mechanically likely that a scum player would be given a freaking triple vote, even if that triple vote is dependent on a town player's actions.

What's got me is that + do scum shoot the player who's been pocketed AND grants your team a triple vote?

"buT wIfOm" lol shut up everyone else scum does things for reasons and gets away with it when you overthink things

[Nibbui]

I mean, it's even impressive you play that way as town.

I for example used to not be able to contain my suspicious even if they were small and screamed in the thread for lynches.

Most people somewhat tunnel scumreads as well. The fact you hold off seems to indicate you're pretty rational although not much confident on yourself.

About you and Maria association it's mostly because:

1. Maria was in a bad situation and suddenly naked voted you
2. This part of your readlist:

- Maria's frustration feels genuine-ish to me, plus I think I kinda like her posts from yesterday, but only enough to make her a very very slight town lean. She herself has said that she's hard to read. I still think she's wrong on NK15 though either way.

If you're scum I would say you're someone that tries to go along with the flow, I don't think it's likely you would say good things about MariaR here when there was so much shade on her, even more when she suddenly voted you.

I don't know if it means as much if Maria flips town though.

[ChibiBear]

Yup that's me, zero confidence and a focus on being rational.

I never really got the hang of tunnelling.

[Nibbui]

Maybe it's [Kokichi, MariaR, Mutant]. Really.

If I'm wrong on someone maybe the last scum is NK15?

Elbirn isn't impossible but I don't feel it right now.

[Elbirn]

I think a lot falls into place with a kokichi/maria flip and that's what I'm looking for today

[Nibbui]

Yup that's me, zero confidence and a focus on being rational.

I never really got the hang of tunnelling.

I'm basically you but with the extra of tunneling sometimes.

Nowadays I drop a lot my reads though, I reevaluate too much.

Also I'm becoming fond of tone reads but they're hard.