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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:48 am

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Ugh, this is pissing me off, I can't let it go there.

Some of the best scumhunting strategies revolve around putting people into uncomfortable, unfamiliar situations, and seeing how they react in an organic way. Dogmatically sticking to old models (like LaL) actually benefits scum because it allows them to fall back on
established protocol
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Persivul, your dogged determination and blind insistence on absolutist truths strikes me as Town. Don't blow it by sabotaging the cause.
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:21 am

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I thought I was doing a decent job in causing uncessacary conflict to draw out scum by being ignorant and seeing who would gun for me.

Can I have some townread now?
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:19 am

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Votecount 1.4


C14

Pine
(1): xyzzy

No Lynch
(1): Maki Harukawa
Not Voting
(5): Pine, Taly, Elsa Jay, Irrelephant11, Persivul

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to achieve majority.

--

B7

Irrelephant11
(2): Elsa Jay, Maki Harukawa
Elsa Jay
(1): Taly
Pine
(1): xyzzy

Not Voting
(2): Pine, Irrelephant11, Persivul

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to achieve majority.
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:35 am

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In post 126, Elsa Jay wrote:I thought I was doing a decent job in causing uncessacary conflict to draw out scum by being ignorant and seeing who would gun for me.

Can I have some townread now?
Nope.
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:47 am

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In post 126, Elsa Jay wrote:
I thought I was doing a decent job in causing uncessacary conflict to draw out scum by being ignorant and seeing who would gun for me.


Can I have some townread now?
Not from me - unless I have poor reading comprehension here - this post assumes that
specifically scum
would vote or suspect you.

You're playing defensively and without any clear motive to scumhunt.

Which makes sense to me, because your vote has not left
Irrelephant
since but you've stated it was serious? Despite his unvote and note to re-evaluate? That's not a concern of yours, apparently. You're not making any conclusions based off interactions you've had, you're placing attention on anything away from that.

I want to hear
Maki
elaborate on ; regarding her thoughts on
Irrelephant's
push and my thoughts directed to
Elsa
in my last few posts.
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:47 am

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Persivul wrote:
In post 86, Irrelephant11 wrote:Persivul please explain your read on me
I said that, after you had one conversation with another person, I was "meh," i.e. null, on you. Your repeated requests for an explanation of my read feels forced - like you're scum paranoid that you don't look townie enough, and you want to know why so you can correct it.

C14: Unvote

B7: Unvote

B7: FOS Irrelephant
Your push on
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thus far seems focused around his read on you... Also, I don't know what meeting you've had with
Irrelepehant
before, but is dismissive of him.

Can you post-link or point out specific things about what he's said to emphasize your point?

@Persivul's


I actually want to know why
Maki
and
Elsa
would rather do B7 first because I'm not seeing the reason that makes B7
"slightly more complicated"
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:01 am

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Spoiler: *non-game* shameless promotion of new GTKAS thread


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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:02 am

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In post 130, Taly wrote: Your push on
Irrelephant
thus far seems focused around his read on you...
Not at all. I'm not even sure what his read on me is, would need to go back and check. I'm suspicious of him because he's so concerned about
my
read on
him
. As I clearly said.
Also, I don't know what meeting you've had with
Irrelepehant
before, but is dismissive of him.
In our last game, we were both town, and I led a push on him and got him lynched. He was kinda pissed about it, but we kissed and made up afterward. :P
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:22 pm

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whoopsies i misread, i see ur point now

k, going to stop clogging up thread

readslist later tonight if more people post, or tomorrow morning before i start VLA

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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:20 pm

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I ended up being out until nearly 3 am doing karaoke with friends and didn't get a good chance to catch up on the last day or so of posts, but for now I just wanna say that I think the "play both games completely separately" plan seems like a really bad idea just from a time management perspective. this compartmentalization won't be remotely beneficial.

anyway it's looking like I'm gonna be at Columbus International Airport for about 8 hours tomorrow night so I will definitely have time to do a more thorough catch-up then!
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:22 am

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If we're going to stick with a certain schedule for games, we need more than 2-4 people actively scumhunting at once...

(Moderate Townread) Pine:
I feel similar toward his assessments of
xyzzy
and
Persivul
, and I believe his honesty, alongisde his below-surface scumhunting is town-motivated and geared toward gamesolving.

(Slight Townread) Irrelephant:
He's aggressive and confident in his pushes,
but
he also re-evaluates them, which strikes me as town much more than scum. I don't really see
Maki
and
Elsa's
suspicion there, and I'd like him to respond to
Persivul
before I think more here.

(Townlean) Persivul:
Nothing pulls me strongly one way or the other so far, but I think his burst of content displays a good town trait and his push away from
Pine
shows that he's actively scumhunting.

*Low Confidence* (Scumlean) Maki Harukawa:
Vague posts on thoughts, hints at scumreads but hasn't followed up much yet. I liked their opening posts about how to deal with two-games-at-once, but I question if that's town-motivated or not.

*Low Confidence* (Scumlean) xyzzy:
They've essentially been one-note so far in the game. I already stated that earlier discussions on how to approach this game were mainly playstyle, but I wasn't fond of the implications behind their initial reasoning.

(Moderate Scumread) Elsa Jay:
ISO me for my case here. There is being deflective to gauge for reactions, and then there's doing that in hopes to confirm preemptive suspicions on people like
Irrelephant
. I think
Elsa's
game has been the second option; I can't discern if he's scum/scum or scum/town, but I'm confident he is scum in one game at least.

To Help Bring Confidence To All Reads:


Maki

- Prompting you to reply to my questions in .

Xyzzy

- Prompting you to reply to my questions in .
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:23 am

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I'm going VLA, but if I see a lot of people directly addressing me or a surge of activity that I'm not expecting right now, tbh...

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I'll be prompt.
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:14 am

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In post 99, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 87, Elsa Jay wrote:19 hours to a bored Elsa is an eternity, and you were gone for 19 hours.
I have to admit this kinda struck me as towny
This might just be a play style + “defining ideal play” difference
UNVOTE: both
I’ll re evaluate tomorrow
I...don't know how I feel about this considering it came right after my post. Irrele did you see my post or not before you posted this. Because while yes I agree with the whole point in this quote the fact you unvoted right after is weirding me out slightly.
In post 100, Persivul wrote:Idea: we play this as 2 separate games. All posts for now are on one game. We set our own deadline for that game. Then we move on to the other with the mod's deadline.

Thoughts?
This could've been an idea but I believe we're on the whole one game thing unless I'm mistaken
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:14 am

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In post 101, Taly wrote:Yeah, I think you're acknowledging specific posts and dodging others purposefully.

VOTE: B7 vote Elsa Jay
This is weak
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:17 am

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In post 120, Persivul wrote:
In post 97, Maki Harukawa wrote:Can we try to get out of all the mech talk now.
Considering my next post that's right after that is talking non mech and you don't talk about that boy what cherry pick posting.
Says the person who's done nothing but mech talk, and precious little of that.
In post 126, Elsa Jay wrote:I thought I was doing a decent job in causing uncessacary conflict to draw out scum by being ignorant and seeing who would gun for me.

Can I have some townread now?
Sure.
Now that we're past the whole Pine VT/VT reaction test BS that was very obv a test I'm gonna go and check who fell for that because it's something that on the surface. Yes it looks objectively scummy and scum are most likely to jump on that then not. Town will give it another glance
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:19 am

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In post 30, xyzzy wrote:
In post 27, Pine wrote:BEHOLD IT IS I, PINE, IN MY FIRST GAME IN LIKE SIX MONTHS

So hey y'all. I'm doing a new thing this game. I'm a VT/VT. Discuss.
I don't think an actual VT/VT would claim this early

VOTE: C14 Pine
VOTE: B7 Pine
In post 49, Persivul wrote:
In post 27, Pine wrote: So hey y'all. I'm doing a new thing this game. I'm a VT/VT. Discuss.
The only town motivation to declare that would be to play D1 wifom bullshit like A50 does.

I like lynching A50 early. :P

VOTE: 1 Pine
VOTE: 2 Pine
Alrighty these 2?
VOTE: B7 xyzzy
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:20 am

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Pine could be scum but I doubt he got scum in both games so there's town motivation in that reaction test regardless. Certain people fell for it and in xy/pers XY pings me more
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:38 am

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In post 139, Maki Harukawa wrote:
In post 120, Persivul wrote:
In post 97, Maki Harukawa wrote:Can we try to get out of all the mech talk now.
Considering my next post that's right after that is talking non mech and you don't talk about that boy what cherry pick posting.
Says the person who's done nothing but mech talk, and precious little of that.
In post 126, Elsa Jay wrote:I thought I was doing a decent job in causing uncessacary conflict to draw out scum by being ignorant and seeing who would gun for me.

Can I have some townread now?
Sure.
Now that we're past the whole Pine VT/VT
reaction test BS that was very obv a test
I'm gonna go and check
who fell for that
because it's something that on the surface. Yes it looks objectively scummy and scum are most likely to jump on that then not. Town will give it another glance
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:43 am

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Listen bucko you wanna go?
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:54 am

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Obviously.
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:56 am

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Pray tell, what purpose does such a threat serve? Asking for a friend.
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:07 am

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Because teasing my friends entertains me.
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:36 am

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I don't know if you read my posts for the past 2 pages
Maki
.

There's more to my reasons on
Elsa
being scum in at least one game, as I've stated.
I've posed and linked my questions to you in my readslist.
I don't see how
Pine
"could be scum" as you say in , so I'd like to be enlightened.

:neutral: I'm feeling a bit alone on the gamesolving part here.

(OK, now actual VLA because I keep looking back at the thread every couple hours and I need to unplug from this a bit.)
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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:41 pm

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In post 146, Maki Harukawa wrote:Because teasing my friends entertains me.
Cool story. However, given that we've never (to my recollection and your user profile) played a game together or significantly interacted before, I don't buy it.
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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:40 pm

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okay y'all I'm at the airport so I'm gonna make some posts. I'm waiting for the fucking airport Bob Evans to open because that's apparently the best option at John Glenn International Airport at 5 am on Christmas Eve, so depending on how long it takes me to eat food I might not get all the way through. I've been awake since 11 am yesterday so it is not an exaggeration to say that I'm dying and I will do my best to read this thread real good. my life is incredibly challenging and you should have sympathy for me. I just remembered I'm going to have to wrap a fuckton of gifts when I get to Houston. I'm halfway tempted to just leave that shit unwrapped and fall asleep in the pool

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