Micro 839: Two-in-One (its over)

[Taly]

4/4 the people I've mentioned all have directed a comment at me since I've last seen the thread!

+1 to my motivation.

[Taly]

@xyzzy

, you've done nothing but game theory this entire dayphase while ignoring ANY attempt at town agreeing on a game approach, what are you basing your reads off of?

Especially the double-vote on

Elsa

despite them actually explaining their thought process in the past page or so?

this first part is just................................ factually incorrect. like go read my ISO and tell me that I've done nothing but setup theorize

also you're implying that my vote on Elsa Jay is based on me disagreeing with his lynch plan, which is not remotely true???

all of these questions are pulled completely out of your ass and in no way accurately reflect anything I've done

*ISO skim*

-You've double-voted

Pine

, do you still believe he's town/scum?
-You don't see

Irrelephant's

stretch of saying

Maki

could be town/scum of his assessment?
-You've reiterated your stance on double-votes and double-lynches a few times.
-You also note that you think

Irrelephant

is town in one game and

Elsa

is scum at least one as well.
-You've double-voted

Elsa

.

Have I missed or misread something?

Dude, Taly, I’ve pretty extensively discussed my suspicions of Elsa. ISO me.

*ISO skim*

And your vote?

[Taly]

Maki's kept her No Lynch vote on C14 for several pages now, and I doubt that it's "just RVS" at this moment.

Considering I've said I'm focusing on one game and I've been voting in the B7 game. Yes it's RVS although I don't see how even if the vote wasn't RVS it'd be scimmy

Maria

noticed me!

And I don't see how acknowledging any of my posts ONLY when you want to minimize them is towny.

You make statements about people's pushes but you don't iterate or expand on your own. 98 138 140 141 You say you're focusing on B7, but even though I've explicitly directed posts to you when I was gamesolving just for B7, you don't reply. 129 and 130 135 147 196

I'm post-linking just to make sure we're on the same page here. ^_^

It is noteworthy that you engaged with me when my C14 vote was on you, though.

I wanted to focus on Bird but

we're reaching the deadline faster then anticipated, due to holidays or lazyness if up to debate.

I'll be here more tommorow and I hope the 7 of us can get a discussion going.

What have I been trying to combat since my VLA?

I don't know how I can make myself clearer.

Thus far, my reads haven't changed much with the responses - or lack of - I've been getting. So right now, I'm going to stop doing this "throw question-respond to" approach since it's not viable at the moment, and ISO-dive. I've started a bit already, and I plan to begin posting some content tomorrow since it's New Years.

Also

Elsa

, it off-puts me that you continue to reiterate that you're focusing on Bird but you've never countered any point I made around my vote on you.

[Pine]

@Mod: I’m on vacation in Vermont with my family through the new year. Not quite V/LA, but can we get a small extension due to ongoing holiday shenanigans? Should be good after the first.

[Errantparabola]

Votecount 1.6

C14

Elsa Jay

(1): xyzzy

Maki Harukawa

(1): Taly

No Lynch

(1): Maki Harukawa

Not Voting

(4): Pine, Elsa Jay, Irrelephant11, Persivul

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to achieve majority.

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B7

Elsa Jay

(2): Taly, xyzzy

xyzzy

(2): Maki Harukawa, Elsa Jay

Persivul

(1): Irrelephant11

Not Voting

(2): Pine, Persivul

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to achieve majority.

Deadline in (expired on 2019-01-04 17:37:00)

Pine is V/LA until the 1st.

[Errantparabola]

I have decided to deny the request for further deadline extension. I hope this is understandable.

[Irrelephant11]

I’ve regretted not following my gut D1 in my past few games

double vote: elsa jay

[Elsa Jay]

Kindly fuck off the doctor k thx bye.

[Elsa Jay]

I’ve regretted not following my gut D1 in my past few games

double vote: elsa jay

Let's follow the gut of the doctor instead. I'll compromise and use your strategy to get you out of this game and Think about what you've done. Also not noticing why I focused on Bird first. Jeez.

VOTE: B7 Irrelephant
C14 Irrelephant

[Elsa Jay]

One more time so whoever reads and decides to hammer me literally has no excuse to not see it.

I'm off to work, and since the elephant has sacrificed his right to be seen in a reasonable light, we hang him now. If we go with MY plan, we only hang him in B7 for being a dumbo and revealing the doctor.

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[Irrelephant11]

Bird vote: Persivul

[Irrelephant11]

What about my not knowing you were the doctor makes me scum?
What about my not knowing you were the doctor makes me scum in both games?
Why did you claim already?

I had a different player i thought was doctor. Does that affect how you read my scumread of you?

[Elsa Jay]

See, the problem is that my PR style requires I be petty and kill you for making me reveal now. This is why I didn't want to reveal day 1. I'm fine with dying now, but I wanted to help the cop tommorow.

As for Claiming, I'm not getting lolhammered without claiming so scum have an excuse. The bird game had me as a safety net anyway.

[Irrelephant11]

I didn’t make you do anything, I was only the second vote
But I guess I see your point about lolhammering? If you think I’m scum then scum wouldn’t be able to lolhammer, though. And if you think I’m town then your votes on me make no sense
If you actually play intentionally petty whenever you feel your own actions are someone else’s fault this will probably be our last game together

[Elsa Jay]

7 people here means 4 to hammer. You put me at 3 on Bird. So yes, you did do that, not put me at 2 votes there.

[Pine]

I’m kinda thinking the Doctor claim is fake, meant to draw the real Doc into CC’ing. No counters, please.

Still,

VOTE: C14 Elsa

Tomorrow on the long ride home I’ll decide how to vote in Bird. Not going to lynch claimed Doc on D1, even if I don’t believe.

I think Irrelephant’s actions re:Elsa makes him Town in Bird.

[Pine]

See, the problem is that my PR style requires I be petty and kill you for making me reveal now. This is why I didn't want to reveal day 1. I'm fine with dying now, but

I wanted to help the cop tommorow

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As for Claiming, I'm not getting lolhammered without claiming so scum have an excuse. The bird game had me as a safety net anyway.

Wait a tick, bolded is super hinkey. The Cop in Bird is Macho, and I don’t think anyone drawing the Doc would have forgotten that detail. I mean, think. You draw the Doc role, look at setup, and your first reaction would be “shit, I can’t protect the cop.”

This professed strategy reeks of “forgot the details.”

Seriously considering a Bird vote on Elsa regardless of claim now.

[Maki Harukawa]

I'm keeping my xyz vote

[Elsa Jay]

It doesn't matter if the cop is macho. I wanted to help them tommorow. What the hell does that have to do with anything?

My agenda this game is to make sure I win both games for town. If I must focus on Bird, my goal is to be sure we don't out the cop and doctor, so that tommorow we can have 3 people cleared and auto-win it with a cleared vt, doctor, and macho cop.

What part of this wasn't the hint to you I was trying to help the PRs in Bird survive tommorow? Why are you throwing shade at my claim? Because you want to CC it tommorow? Fucking CC now then. I'm not letting a fake Doc come into the game in LyLo while trying to fuck over town.

Pine: I've seen people throw shade at a slot to cc it in a lynch or lose situation. "Nobody CC yet" is your way of trying to claim it tommorow. Duel me now for the claim. Get me lynched. Die tommorow for killing the doctor. If you don't cc day 1 now you will not be believed tommorow.

[Elsa Jay]

As a sidenote, xyzzy, Elephant, and now Pine have me at L-1 in Carbon.

This is another heads up to everyone that it's a horrible idea to lynch me today.

Currently think Pine is garunteed to flip scum in B7. Nobody shades a PR that much. Like i said, he's getting ready to CC it day 2. Don't let him do that.

VOTE: B7 Pine

[Irrelephant11]

UNVOTE: Elsa in Carbon because I read the votecount wrong
Not ready to decide either lynch

[Persivul]

I didn’t make you do anything, I was only the second vote

That's bullshit. Your vote was the second post after the VC. You knew it was L-1, didn't announce it, and now deny prompting the claim.

VOTE: B7: Irrelephant
VOTE: C14: Elsa

p-edit: you realized your mistake and are now trying to save face.

Happy New Year everyone!

[Elsa Jay]

Pers wtf. Why me back at L-1 in Carbon. Don't you get it?

Im the doctor in B7. Of course I'm dying tonight in Bird. Now, why wouldnt Carbon scum ALSO shoot me as well at that point? They clearly won't want me around to be able to talk. They'll be better without another voice day 2.

Garuntee I get shot in both games tonight. Don't waste the Carbon lynch on me. Make the scum in Carbon actually have to shoot me as well to get rid of me completely day 2. If I'm alive day 2 in Carbon lynch me then.

[Irrelephant11]

We’ve been “playing Bird first” so I glanced at the VC very quickly and thought the first half was Bird
And since we weren’t really “playing Carbon” I ignored the second half, thinking there weren’t Elsa votes there (I was confused that there was only one Bird vote on Elsa, too - I thought there had been more there)

I admit low effort but I don’t think it makes sense to assume I’m scum for my mistake


Elsa, if Pine is preparing to cc you’re thinking he’ll leave you alive?
I don’t know what’s making anyone townread Persivul here.

Pedit: I’m very confused where these varied assumptions are coming from, Elsa

[xyzzy]

UNVOTE: B7 Elsa

I'm not sure where to move my vote to for this game. my gut says Pine, but I need to iso Irrelephant first since that's the only other option with real traction. that probably won't happen until

next year