Unstable Mafia - Game Over

[Vedith]

Vedith we're effectively masons.

Effectively isn't actually masons.
Either you are confident 100% that Pignash is town or you're not.

[Rabbi Vole]

95% sure my role means he's necessarily town outside of 5% extreme bastardy.

I'll need to double check something setup related. Give me a couple of minutes.

[podoboq]

Official Vote Count 1.18

Lynching

With 13 players, it takes 7 to lynch.

volxen

(4): RCEnigma, Rabbi Vole, pignash, teacher

rosterfoster

(3): Creature, Almost50, TemporalLich

TemporalLich

(2): 0verki11, rosterfoster

pignash

(1): Vedith

teacher

(1): DoubtingThomas

Nobody

(2): Dr Worm, volxen

Deadline

: (expired on 2019-03-15 20:15:00)

[Rabbi Vole]

Look podoboq advertised this game as open to bastard mechanics including moderator lies but given the reviewers involved and the way my role is worded, pignash necessarily has to be town.

[pignash]

Vedith we're effectively masons.

Effectively isn't actually masons.
Either you are confident 100% that Pignash is town or you're not.

But for my role to make sense Rabbi absolutely has to be town.
I know what he's hinting at and it'll make sense when we explain later with the way our roles interact.

He shouldn't claim the other part of his role pm.

[Rabbi Vole]

...and I don't intend to.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Pignash

So why is Voxlen the wagon atm?

[RCEnigma]

Not super town, most of my null circle is looking like town and I don't want to break my town block already. I have a good idea on who the scum in my block is but don't want to be hasty.

Also thought Volxens low activity was to dodge slots that can read him considering his activity elsewhere on site.

Can't speak for everyone else.

[Creature]

Hmm, the Mason claim doesn't confirm rabbi as town, it only confirms that he and pignash's are the same alignment.

Still, most likely town and not worth to worry about it rn.

[Creature]

How can you read TL's posts and not think he's scum?

Dunno, who was towncasing Lich again?

[Creature]

UNVOTE: Pignash

So why is Voxlen the wagon atm?

Duuuunno.

[Almost50]

I think I got what pignash/Rabbi are talking about, and although it is strange that BOTH would be notified about it; it also does NOT confirm either to each other in a bastard game. (If what I think is true then I am talking out of experience and have personally seen it as scum+town before).

HOWEVER, the way they both are going about it suggests each is town and thus "thinks" the other must be town. In other words, each thinks "because I'm town then the other must be town" and while this isn't true it shows that each of them is actually independently town.

[DoubtingThomas]

EBWOP

Can someone take the time to do an actual lich case? I just dont see it. And I dont want the one sentence tunnels, but tell me a specific post that shows scum motivation? All I remember is the early claim shenanigans and it picking up steam way to easy. I think Lich's response to the claims was organic, if silly, and I can see his own mentality thoughout.

I am feeling very uninspired by this gamestate. After re-ISOing, I am still happy with my townblock, but nullreading way too many slots for a pagecount in the 20s. I am off rabbi and pignash for the time being, so willing to pressure another slot I havent felt much on. VOTE: Roster

this is the second? or third? person saying they don't understand lich vote.

i've learned from a good town player that people who come into the thread and ask why the top wagon is being wagoned means scums tmi'ing a town top wagon and hoping to make themselves look townier once the town wagoned player flips.

VOTE: teacher

UNVOTE: Pignash

So why is Voxlen the wagon atm?

lol

[DoubtingThomas]

a50 whats your read on me

[Almost50]

a50 whats your read on me

I hate you, but you're a town lean

[RCEnigma]

Harsh dude.

[Almost50]

@DT: If it were between volxen & roster only, which of the two would you lynch?

[rosterfoster]

Let’s do something.

VOTE: Volxen

[DoubtingThomas]

what made you change your read on me?

[DoubtingThomas]

@mod I will be V/LA until the weekend.

I say he needs to post more and he declares VLA.

Anyone up for a wagon here? I don't want to start a vanity wagon, but if I can find 2-3 others willing to make this a competing wagon I'm all for it.

So what's the point of starting a wagon on someone who is not even here to respond to the wagon against him? And if you really are wanting to start a wagon against him, why wait for Vedith to vote for him before placing your own vote?

And like DT brought up in this post:

Spoiler:

I have Over and Almost as town for now

haha.. fooled ya

again

!

what the fuck are you saying

did you just scum slip or are you just completely incapable of recognizing what the fuck you are writing yourself?

I said I

fooled him

again. I didn't even say it was "in a game of Mafia", let alone "town reading me when I'm scum". It's not

my

fault that

you

have comprehension problems or you jump to conclusions reading something that isn't there, and if you had tried to read beyond that you'd realize I explained I can joke with Creature & RCE (specifically) without them misunderstanding.

But that's not the

only

problem here. The real issue is you're comments seem to be aiming at playing down anyone's TR on anyone. You so not want

anyone

to trust

anyone else

. You know who does that? Scum do. They want the town to keep doubting each other and keep everyone in their lynching pool. You know how town go about TRs they feel unjustified> They

ask for the reasoning

. They don't go "I'm not pleased about this" and "you are scummy so stop posting" and "did he break his meta?" (on response to a TR stated on Creature).

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

And you may scream "OMGUS" as loud as you can, cuz I don't care how it looks to you nor how you want to call it.

ME IS NO LYKE DIS SR WARM GIMMICK. HAW DOES EVERYBIDY FEEL ABOWT LINCHYNG THEM TOODAY?

I can think of at least 8 ways to kill a worm.

I can think of 3:

1- Dipping it in alcohol
2- Locking it in a can after blowing cigarette smokes in it
3- Sinking it in certain sticky liquids

That's why drinking, smoking and having lots of sex is GOOD for your health.

On a serious note though, do you think it a good idea to out a VT role, gave Worm target it (and die), and then scum shoot the new PR? I mean, IF this role is for real them he played it in the worst possible way EVER.

Man this game is going at a

snails

worm pace.

Fixed that for you, Mr President.

The best play to Worm's claim is to leave him alone for today. If he town, Scum will have to decide whether to believe him or not, amd if they do they need to decide on whether kill him or not. Anything that gives scum a headache I am good with.

defending a player is different to saying another player just tunneling without doing anything should stop, creature. you know the drill

So what are we supposed to do if we shouldn't "tunnel" anyone rn?

Obviously if you can't tunnel you need to bridge, unless you prefer to wait for the ferry.

Eh, gotta start somewhere

VOTE: demonlord

RCE, Creature and Vedith want this wagon, so who am I to argue? This is NOT me denying responsibility for the flip, btw. I am just stating my reason for voting there, but it;s MY vote and MY responsibility.

Woah, woah, woah! That changed fast! Against me! I feel that this just a scum lynch. Lynching the underdog.

No. It's a Democrats driven impeachment. Hillary's collaborating with the Chinese, North Koreans and the Mexicans (only the bad ones. The drug dealers). Oh, and -most importantly- the

CNN

is backing this all the way.

Demonlord, I meant that you probably meant that you were the one being jumped on.

I thought you meant that he probably meant that you probably meant that you smell spearmint!

Dude, post something that has to do with the game, pg you will. (Or you can relief me of all taxes and cancel my parking tickets in exchange for my vote going elsewhere. Your choice.)

???

???

^Was this still open or did I miss out?^

1- I don't understand the case on TL as of yet. Can anyone help me get why he is being wagoned?
2- Rabbi (Trump slot) is being resisted heavily by 4-5 players, and I can't see them all being town. If giving the replacement slack was the idea, I don't see why it was resisted by so many BEFORE the replacement took place.
3- REC voting Vedith is kinds annoying. You know it ain't gonna happen today with this players list. Get off the vanity wagon and vote one of the two main candidates, or find a third candidate who

can

be lynched today and give a good case on why they're worthy of the lynch.
4- Same goes for Volxen. Worm is self-resolving. We don't need to pursue his case today. He's not gonna make it too far as either alignment the way he plays.
5- TL also needs to stop the OMGUS. Instead, show us why you shouldn't be voted, or -at least- give us a real case other than "He's tunneling me so I'm returning the favour. That ain't gonna fly further than your own nose.

P.S. I still maintain that OK vs TL us very likely TvT, with the caveat that I don't even know TL and don't claim to be an expert on OK's meta.

Another P.S. I'm not fond of roster's catch up, but I'm willing to give him another chance. At least he's trying. Meanwhile pignash is nonexistent, and neither is volxen.

Im fine with a demon lynch but im more confident in a lich lynch.
Creature is town, Teacher is town, Worm is town, RCE, DT, Teacher are probably town.
Ez time for a d1 gamesolve

Add Rabbi and Roster to this.

You forgot Teacher as a new addition.

Who resisted my wagon Mr Monkey? Do any motivations stick out to you as worse than others?

Not until you actually provide more content. It just feels weird that 5 players defended your predecessor the way he played.

hes not even tunneling me theres no pressure involved there.

Nobody talked about pressure. In fact, if he was applying any real pressure I wouldn't have stopped him. That's why I said to either stop it or provide a real case.

@mod I will be V/LA until the weekend.

I say he needs to post more and he declares VLA.

Anyone up for a wagon here? I don't want to start a vanity wagon, but if I can find 2-3 others willing to make this a competing wagon I'm all for it.

VOTE: pignash

He has Vedith who you townread in his POE and townreads DT who is your strongest scumread - obviously your views of the gamestate are going to be fairly different but do you buy that those reads are legit?

yeah... DT is scum and you cannot convince me otherwise.

Here's 0verki11's readlist according to the ISO.

Double Town

: teacher

Town

: Creature, Dr Worm, Rabbi Vole

Probtown

: RCEnigma, DoubtingThomas, rosterfoster
POE: Vedith

Scum

: TemporalLich

Yeah this seems somewhat survivalistic.

Can Overkill confirm this to be his current readlist?

So you wouldn't mind voting pignash if needs be. Right?

A50 makes a big ass case on me, clashes with me a little bit, then a day later

NEVER REVISITS

the read on me

I scraped all his posts. He never even mentions me, but actively tries to start a wagon on low hanging frits, who are not posting and are not ready to actively defend themselves like demonlord and when the sub comes in, retreats to pignash.

Doesn't look like his scum read on me is real. Doesn't look like he is trying to really find scums. He's trying to defend Lich by shading people's scum read on him.

@Almost50, can you explain your town read of Lich?

Your transitions don't really make sense since they were never explained. First you voted for DT and made a case against him, at one point going so far as to agree with DT when he said that either you or him should be the day one lynch (see: post 161). Then you voted for Demonlord (Rabbi Vole) (see: post 303), and now you want to wagon Pignash. Why did you abandon your original push against DT?

What do you think about this post? How does it affect your read on volxen?

[DoubtingThomas]

Last I checked, I was null on volxen and has town read on roster for mindmedling a lot with me, which is admittedly, weak.

Given this, I should say, as of right now, I will vote volxen if it is strictly between the two, but volxen lynch doesn't give us too much to work with. I kinda hope/expected him to post more, but Idk why he isn't being replaced?

What makes me be wary of the volxen wagon is how non-resistant it is. Seems like everyone's okay with it and doesn't really have a strong reason to think he is scum. If someone can explain their scum read on volxen, that'd be great -- aside from activity.

@ A50, who do you prefer, and why?

[DoubtingThomas]

Also why were so many people resistant to TemporalLich wagon? Like teacher who scummily came in and said, "I don't get this wagon" We've seen a lot of those.

[teacher]

^ill beetle juice it this time. I still haven’t seen an answer to my question. And since both times you’ve noted multiple players doing it, why is mine in particular scummy?

This game just isn’t advancing for me. I’ve gotten my reads and they are remaining just about constant. We need a flip.

[Almost50]

@DT: I'm already voting roster, so I guess it makes sense to assume I would rather him over volxen, although I don't really mind either.

[podoboq]

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