STELLARIS MAFIA - [Mafia Win]

[Firestarters]

I have not been hitting F5 obsessively for the past couple hours.

[Firestarters]

Bleep Bloop

VOTE: Nero Cain

Wagon here pls, conf scum. N0 cop.

Ha. Are you serious?

Nice avatar, by the way.

[Firestarters]

Bleep Bloop

VOTE: Nero Cain

Wagon here pls, conf scum. N0 cop.

Ha. Are you serious?

Nice avatar, by the way.

This unit has maximum seriousness engaged and also maximum thankiness.

-Br455

Awesome.

I think this game is fascinating (great game wgeurts!) so I apologize to Nero Cain for taking you guys out so fast, but never in my mafia career will I miss a chance to do this:

VOTE: Nero Cain

swarm:Nero Cain

swarm:Nero Cain

(using "Talented" perk)

And that's a lynch for today, as far as I'm aware.

If you get an ascension perk tonight, grab the federation one and we will work together with you. We've decided that if you've gone extremely adaptive you want the ability to not be on stupid wagons, so you're likely a town player, so we'll work with you. Joan of Arc is also llikely town based on her picks. Alisae might be scum, just because the "weak" trait implies she has friends keeping her from being lynched, but we're not decided on that at this point in time. Varsoon and Despair Galaxy are probably town based off of their trait choices. Dunnstral is probably scum, because he only gets ascension perks when putting his vote on wagons that don't share his alignment, which is super useful if you're scum.

[Firestarters]

Really hope you were serious about being serious.

[Firestarters]

hey guys whats up.

~fire

[Firestarters]

Invite: Varsoon

VOTE: Firestarters cos of last night

trash

[Firestarters]

I mean - it required the use of a 1-shot trait

and

the vote was on the person who did it

and

I doubt someone will intentionally do that again this early.

So...yeah. Bit of an overreaction.

(honestly thought that was Nancy btw)

i wanted to do it to nancy/ari

enter jumped the gun.

also we can do it again later apparently or something. Not today though.

~fire

[Firestarters]

Invite: Varsoon

VOTE: Firestarters cos of last night

trash

Why did you kill town?

because u suck

[Firestarters]

hey guys whats up.

~fire

nothing much, sent ya a request for a federation, so it would be really cool if you could accept it

i have no read on you and i want to allliance with someone i trust. we give some real goodies to people who are in our alliance.

and unlike a certain someone *coughs loudly* enter * coughs*

I will probably talk it over with him before doing anything with that.

~fire

[Firestarters]

Joan is probably scum here for this buddying of varsoon and moronic questions to me btw.
~fire

[Firestarters]

tsuchinoko, are you alisae when you townread me or singleton? I don't think you should townread our slot for that idiotic day 1 and I find you giving this bad townread out to be bad form and i want to call you bad.

but i want to know if its from my grandson first.

~fire

[Firestarters]

tsuchinoko, are you alisae when you townread me or singleton? I don't think you should townread our slot for that idiotic day 1 and I find you giving this bad townread out to be bad form and i want to call you bad.

but i want to know if its from my grandson first.

~fire

You biological lifeforms are disgusting.

-BR455

and ur fat

[Firestarters]

tsuchinoko, are you alisae when you townread me or singleton? I don't think you should townread our slot for that idiotic day 1 and I find you giving this bad townread out to be bad form and i want to call you bad.

but i want to know if its from my grandson first.

~fire

You biological lifeforms are disgusting.

-BR455

and ur fat

Crying drivers engaged.

-BR455

i have won this game.

[Firestarters]

VOTE: Joan of Arc

[Firestarters]

grandson, how are you?

[Firestarters]

Joan is probably scum here for this buddying of varsoon and moronic questions to me btw.
~fire

First off, I am not buddying.

Second off, even if I were, I'd pick a more malleable target that Varsoon. He would see through me in an instant.

Third off, answer the question properly. Because in one of the games I've played, scum could and did take refuge in audacity.

eat dirt scum

[Firestarters]

grandson, how are you?

woke up from a nap
Kinda happy and enjoying myself.
You?

decentish. need to get some life shit together these days.
can i buy alisaehappiness? How does one get that?

[Firestarters]

These idiots (Enter) can swarm, god save us all

sign with my face btw

I'm in for nominating varsoon!

no, don't nominate varsoon.

[Firestarters]

grandson, how are you?

woke up from a nap
Kinda happy and enjoying myself.
You?

decentish. need to get some life shit together these days.
can i buy alisaehappiness? How does one get that?

Found a girl I passionately love and who passionately loves me

good for u grandson. good for u. happy for u

[Firestarters]

i wouldn't trust nero to save anyone as doc anyways, so i don't know why people would even focus in on the "YOU KILLED A DOC" thing
~fire

[Firestarters]

i am very tempted to accept alisae alliance request.
alisae is too charming.

~fire

[Firestarters]

hey snik I got a more interesting question for you, if they are scum why should they care what role nero was?

woah.

its almost like we can go into a wifom circle and i didn't know role regardless of my alignment so you bringing up role was dumb.

~fire

[Firestarters]

I'm just saying the lynch was not pro-town!

God damn, people, read!

-BR455

no one is saying it was.

maybe u should read.

~fire

[Firestarters]

Alisae literally said it before.59

She literally called it pro-town!

-BR455

reread the post. alisae says they are townreading it for me and said doesn't expect scum players to do the action. which i think is dumb, but it isn't saying that it was pro town.

although alisae is saying nero is trash which you can go into that rabbit hole if you want

[Firestarters]

clarification: says its pro town because its nero. not that the action itself was pro town. which is a weird stance, but w/e. I am willing to die on that hill.

[Firestarters]

Alisae literally said it before.59

She literally called it pro-town!

-BR455

reread the post. alisae says they are townreading it for me and said doesn't expect scum players to do the action. which i think is dumb, but it isn't saying that it was pro town.

although alisae is saying nero is trash which you can go into that rabbit hole if you want

That's the part I'm having a hard time with. I don't give a shit if she wants to argue if you are town off of it, I'll figure out your alignment from more than one idiotic move that shows my point that people on MS have lost their senses of humor and fun to the point where they cannot discern an obvious joke.

-BR455

ms aint funny anymore? why didn't i get a newsletter?

[Firestarters]

alisae, if ur going to meme. do the full meme.
~fire

[Firestarters]

penguin is a townread for me.

[Firestarters]

i think alisae and penguin are very funny.

if you think they aren't i am gonna call you scum.

only scum have no good sense of humor.

~fire

[Firestarters]

@Firestarters I will forget for asecond that you are probably scum and ask you something, why not nominate Varsoon?

i see no reason to be throwing out peoples names for nomination at this point with so little info to townread most players.
i lean towards noming penguin right now just because he is a townread.

so if we frame this in the form of we should nom people we townread. i am guessing you townread varsoon. and I have to ask why?


also i don't think varsoon is a generally good option to nom because i think he can easily get townread as scum anyways. you have to really really townread him. so much you are willing to bet ur life on it.

~fire

[Firestarters]

Yo! I believed in a N0 guilty on page 1 in a mafia game, and here's how it went down. I did nothing wrong, man! I did nothing wrong whatsoever! I got Nero Cain lynched! I didn't even KNOW I lynched Nero Cain! I didn't get no email, I didn't get no explanation, I didn't get no chance to explain myself. I just got Nero Cain lynched. I got a message from the mod, that Nero Cain flipped town. The mod doesn't even message me and tell me that I got him lynched. So I decided to lynch Nero Cain from a post someone made, where they jokingly made a post- I jokingly, JOKINGLY, told, the world, that, they had a N0 guilty on Nero Cain. I DIDN'T ACTUALLY THINK HE WOULD FLIP TOWN! Anyone with a BRAIN, would realize it was a JOKE! It was a joke, that was- it was a good joke at the time!

woops picking this up

I am forwarding this to Enter

[Firestarters]

I would appreciate being nominated, as the immunity coupled with my own trait to be bulletproof will mean that scum won't be able to shut down my abilities.
If someone has a better plan, though, I'm all ears.

This is not a valid reason to be noming Varsoon btw. Not in my eyes.
~fire

[Firestarters]

You only play mechanically after you sort.
So if we have two equally townread players. then you start saying "well how would this mechanically be better for us to nom?" not mechanics first then townreads. thats just play 101.

[Firestarters]

keep in mind I still scum read you, prove me wrong.

no ty. i like you being wrong because i can laugh at you instead.

[Firestarters]

Varsoon literally claimed and it's being open and has a point to why we should nominate him, you think he won't get investigated after being given so much power?

right back at you, why PP is town? you literally town read him after one post and now you are saying is too early to town read people in the same fucking post?

i don't think it matters if someone investigates him after. whats the point in giving power to someone that we should be investigating because we aren't sure we gave more power to scum? why not just not give power to possible scum in first place?

like the solution to having a monkey shoot people with a machine gun isn't, to have a sniper pointed at the monkey to make sure he doesn't shoot anyone, its don't give a monkey a machine gun.

ain't hard.


also i am not explaining my townread on penguin.
~fire

[Firestarters]

in a game like this mechanics>reads for me

ur opinions are bad and u should feel bad.

[Firestarters]

why the fuck was enter townreading u...

[Firestarters]

yeah enter was townreading them for that choice.
all these mechanical reads.

i want to punch something, even my hydra partner.

MECHANICALLY READING PLAYERS.

i mean technically that is a choice made by a player, but still. I think it means very little to nothing.

~fire

[Firestarters]

i think u mean a lot.

[Firestarters]

gl with that buttercup

[Firestarters]

who would trust a penguin with a ship?
this game is madness.

[Firestarters]

gl with that buttercup

Also, there is a huge discrepancy between your read on me on D1 and now. I think you switched it because you are scared people might actually lynch you if you don't.

DAY 1 WAS 1 PAGE.
I DIDN"T EVEN PLAY DAY 1.

I WASNT EVEN AROUND.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

[Firestarters]

i want to scumread this stupidity.
but i got to refrain from it and make it nai.

i recently got into a argument with a player that was so asinine i read them as town because i was like "no way this is scum", and it was scum. So my inclination rn with dumb arguments is that people are being fake dumb but i just don't think this means anything.

lots of words to say nai.

i am pro at this game

~fire

[Firestarters]

Hello firestarter, twisted firestarter (Enter head)

Talk me through DG’s Page 1 bleeps and blops.
Talk to me about nero.


(Fire head)

Talk me through how YOU wanted to utilize swarm pre-game.

i wanted to lynch nancy/ari because i thought they were going to clog the thread.
enter agreed pregame and then he got excited because he believed the cop guilty, and i tried to tell him how stupid it was to believe it and he kept apologizing to me and saying "i got so excited! it seemed real". I mean, we are talking about how i basically having a face palm in my face when talking to enter about day 1.

i love the guy but that was even impulsive by nature, and i would only do that for lolz, and he wasn't. Which further makes me facepalm.

lol man i am really shitting on my partner.
enter, i luv u bro, that was bad tho

~fire

[Firestarters]

i don't think you know what "hold accountable" means.

[Firestarters]

ill never forgive u alisae.

u know what u did.

~fire

[Firestarters]

i told enter i wanted to accept.
UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE.

I am waiting for my partner. Before I do something rash.

[Firestarters]

ur avi really deosn't fit your username, despair.

this bothers me a great deal.

i want to scumread u for it too.

~fire

[Firestarters]

i should ask enter why he picked this avi.
i feel like i am tinder here.

i need to make matches between players here or something.


alisae is matched with firestarters.
~fire

[Firestarters]

@Tsuchinoko You say he is scum because he was so bold to openly kill town, but did you ever hear the phrase 'refuge in audacity'?

ngl I never heard of it.

thats a lie

[Firestarters]

I think I will need to sort you outside of Day 1’s swarm.

generally a good call.

[Firestarters]

I can provide avatars at request!

@Mod: I request an avatar that fits to my name.

[Firestarters]

i feel pocketed by alisae at this point.
~fire

[Firestarters]

am I starting fires with this avi?

~fire

[Firestarters]

No I think your thought process is unreasonable, unnatural, and unrational so the vote stays.

that still could mean she is town tbh.

I think her buddying of varsoon is scummy though.

~fire

[Firestarters]

Invite: Varsoon

VOTE: Firestarters cos of last night

All right, 1st off, I've got some information that implies Firestarter might not be scum, so UNVOTE:

Second off,

Bless: Varsoon

These are buddying varsoon.

[Firestarters]

Because they've played with you a lot and know how you'd react.

For the fucking fifth time.

ENTER DID THE SWARM. NOT ME.

Stop switching who did what to suit your god damn idiotic narrative.

[Firestarters]

Okay, I'll give you the first one, but is there a reason why the 2nd one can't be me genuinely TRing him because of our interactions in the neighborhood?

Go on....

[Firestarters]

Fire is supposed to know the interactions in your hoodHow?

I know fucking everything.

[Firestarters]

Okay, I'll give you the first one, but is there a reason why the 2nd one can't be me genuinely TRing him because of our interactions in the neighborhood?

Go on....

..........

sssssssssssssnek would like to hear more too!

Still want to hear more.

Even though I know everything.
Still would like to know more.

[Firestarters]

nominate: Tsuchinoko

I am so pocketed.

[Firestarters]

Not until you answer the question.And even then, giving out more would entail giving you his role, and I am not giving you his role.

I didn't say you couldn't be townreading varsoon from interactions in your neighborhood, but I am not all seeing to see any conversations you have. So when you come in here and say "WELL WHY CANT I BE TR HIM FOR THIS" I am like "explain that because I can't see it, and theres nothing here town worthy".

and given the fact you sent out the invitation today, and its been less than 24 hours since you had the neighborhood and I don't think you and varsoon have been on around the same time, I don't think you have any meaningful conversation with him, which is pure speculation. But I think its pretty reasonable to assume your PT is surface level at best or empty at worst.

So....expand?

[Firestarters]

The only thing noteworthy is his role, which I am not giving you.

so your townreading him for trash and calling it gold.

your still buddying him in a scummy way or he is buddying you by being so open with you for no god damn reason.

~fire

[Firestarters]

actually don't think varsoon telling you his role would be buddying? Well I guess scum him knows he can easily pocket you, just don't think him telling you his role would be done in a nefarious way of trying to pocket you? Not sure what his mind would be thinking on that, but I think scum him would just think its safe to give that info out freely.

WHO KNOWS.
I got no read on the dude.

I am just a speculator.

~fire

[Firestarters]

The only thing noteworthy is his role, which I am not giving you.

so your townreading him for trash and calling it gold.

your still buddying him in a scummy way or he is buddying you by being so open with you for no god damn reason.

~fire

I am townreading him because he entrusted me with his full role.

no, this is bs.
you are trying to pocket him.

I have seen you do this shit with him before.

~fire

[Firestarters]

No, I want you to explain. Why you trust him this much. Just because he gave you a role?
Why do you think, that is an explicitly town thing for him to do. Do you think he townread? Do you think he trusts you that much this early? Why do you think he trusts you?

Do you have answers to any of this?

[Firestarters]

Reading players based on mechanics is taking advantage of the way this game is set up and it is silly not to do so.

Also thanks for all the love on that hammer yesterday, really enjoyed all the meme posts about it.

I do really regret not hammering Mephistophanes instead, though, they claimed scum to us last night and we can't vote for them at all right now.

I think I've broken the game in our favor, maybe? But Meph seems pretty interested in making sure that that doesn't happen, so don't worry scum, your backs are (somewhat) covered for now. Good thing I have a backup plan.

[Firestarters]

Catching up more now, just wanted to put out what I did. We're still quite strong even with Scumstophanes trying to hold us back. (Pretty sure we hard claimed town yesterday, so hitting us with anything is essentially a scum claim.)

PEdit: Hey! How are you? I imagine this is Alisae? Good to see you again!

[Firestarters]

hey guys whats up.

~fire

nothing much, sent ya a request for a federation, so it would be really cool if you could accept it

i have no read on you and i want to allliance with someone i trust. we give some real goodies to people who are in our alliance.

and unlike a certain someone *coughs loudly* enter * coughs*

I will probably talk it over with him before doing anything with that.

~fire

By the way, I have a couple pages worth of game analysis in our Hydra PT that I'd love to share with our federation buddies if Fire agrees with it. (Or maybe he already has.) The only reason I hammered the way I did was because 1. I will never miss a chance to RVS hammer since it's probably the only chance I'll ever get and 2. Fire hadn't been there for most of my hours of analysis and discussion and when I brought up RVS lynch he was very on board with the idea before mentioning who or what, so while I did take a few liberties I greatly regret (we would have flipped scum if we'd flipped mephistophanes like we'd planned), I don't regret it probably as much as I should.

[Firestarters]

lol its only alisae I haven't heard from singleton at all.
Accept my federation request?

Fire and I already discussed this, so I'm good with

Accepting Tsuchinoko's Federation request

I've got some stuff for you guys

fuck you I just wanted to play D1, but they are probably town from that

wat

p-edit: I think you just slipped as Fire said it was all on you and such sooo one of you is lyin

Yeah it was all me. The only thing Fire did is chant "RVS LYNCH! RVS LYNCH!" when I brought it up.

[Firestarters]

Paraphrasing, cuz quoting isn't cool

[Firestarters]

I'm just saying the lynch was not pro-town!

God damn, people, read!

-BR455

no one is saying it was.

maybe u should read.

~fire

Alisae literally said it before.59

She literally called it pro-town!

-BR455

Learn to read, idiot. They (he?) said WE were town, not the lynch.

[Firestarters]

That still doesn'ty explain why he killed town D1 and why he thinks he shouldn't be held accountable for that action.

I understand why we're voting Joan now.

Scumreading stupidity FTW! Let's lynch this boys!

Hello firestarter, twisted firestarter (Enter head)

Talk me through DG’s Page 1 bleeps and blops.
Talk to me about nero.

It wasn't about Nero, I didn't have a mechanics read on Nero, but I thought if I can confirm that we deny scum from getting ascension perks, then that would make it worth it, even if we were wrong for some reason on Mephistophanes.
I think we still managed to keep scum from getting ascension perks, unless we were wrong about what drives a player to get the "Adaptive" traits.

I do admit I was a little excited and when Brass claimed a N0 guilty I figured "well, if we can hammer on day one, why wouldn't we have a night zero guilty?" I admit that that wasn't particularly solid line of thinking.

Also, Hi, Keyser. I dont remember what alt I played with you on, but we were scum together in a newbie a couple years ago. Maybe Extrapolated Eagle?

(Fire head)

Talk me through how YOU wanted to utilize swarm pre-game.

He didn't.

[Firestarters]

Yo Enter if you stay up till wguerts makes a PT for our federation, I'll stay up as well, since I wanna hear the spice your hinting so much about.


Yo Enter if you stay up till wguerts makes a PT for our federation, I'll stay up as well, since I wanna hear the spice your hinting so much about.

Yeah, definitely. I just kinda wanna talk about how powerful our race is, actually, so the fact that Mephistophanes is trying to suck away our powers is the OPPOSITE OF COOL.

[Firestarters]

Hello firestarter, twisted firestarter (Enter head)

Talk me through DG’s Page 1 bleeps and blops.
Talk to me about nero.


(Fire head)

Talk me through how YOU wanted to utilize swarm pre-game.

i wanted to lynch nancy/ari because i thought they were going to clog the thread.
enter agreed pregame and then he got excited because he believed the cop guilty, and i tried to tell him how stupid it was to believe it and he kept apologizing to me and saying "i got so excited! it seemed real". I mean, we are talking about how i basically having a face palm in my face when talking to enter about day 1.

i love the guy but that was even impulsive by nature, and i would only do that for lolz, and he wasn't. Which further makes me facepalm.

lol man i am really shitting on my partner.
enter, i luv u bro, that was bad tho

~fire

Ok it was partially for the lolz. I wanted an RVS lynch because the lolz were irresistible.

Yeah it was bad, I'm sorry fire. I got really excited and I was ALL BY MYSELF for THREE DAYS. You can't leave me unattended it makes me feel lonely!

[Firestarters]

BTW alisae if you don't particularly care to hear my novella on the optimal game strategy, it might not be worth it to stay up ~

[Firestarters]

All right. Tsuchinoko and Firestarter are scumteam.

"

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

the other kids are being mean to me because I said some DUMB STUFF and I want you to send them all to TIME OUT!"

[Firestarters]

VOTE: Despair Galaxy

Why are we letting this go for free

Well whats your issue with it?

He didn't know about the swarm yes but still faked a cop check to get a Lynch on a townie

Ouch.

This doesn't taste good in my ears.

[Firestarters]

I wanna speak to the manager of your hydra

Yes hello, it's Enter wdyw?

[Firestarters]

I wanna speak to the manager of your hydra

Yes hello, it's Enter wdyw?

I refuse to believe ur the manager

The amount of time and effort I've put into this hydra says otherwise.

Also the fact that I've made all the decisions. (except one)

[Firestarters]

Wow I feel bad ok I'm gonna stop ragging on fire.

Yeh i felt real alone doing everything but i know it was cuz he's really busy for the first couple days he seems actually invested right now so I'm really sorry for being all mean to you fire~ I know you'll help me out here eventually.

PEdit:

he's not here right now...

[Firestarters]

Meditation on Joan - I like where his heart is regarding Fire-slot’s unforgivable D1 actions but he’s gnawing too much on Firebringer’s ankles for my own liking right now (allowing Firebringer-head the easy route of defending himself: ‘it was Enter-head!’).

Ok joan is probably town. Not unvoting until Fire comes back because it really doesn't matter honestly and because my gut was to vote the player that would get us killed *squinty eyes*

but joan you're not allowed to say any more dumb words, ok? That means not talking to or about the day one thing like it's scummy at all

its okay
we'll have a good long chat later

why can't we have a good long chat right now?

[Firestarters]

The only thing noteworthy is his role, which I am not giving you.

so your townreading him for trash and calling it gold.

your still buddying him in a scummy way or he is buddying you by being so open with you for no god damn reason.

~fire

I am townreading him because he entrusted me with his full role.

no, this is bs.
you are trying to pocket him.

I have seen you do this shit with him before.

~fire

Fuck this shit I'm out.

Took you long enough gees

[Firestarters]

sure, all Im seeing now is people using meta to read others, which is bugging me, at this point anything I say about firestarters will sound like I'm tunneling them but I actually think they are scum

this act of fire blaming enter feels weird, is like I were to say oh shit shadowcloud you shouldn't be mad at me cuz it was brass, is still my slot and I should accept the consequences

Uh oh junko's scum again.

Got a slew of townreads,,

shadow and junko both wanna die tho

[Firestarters]

I wanna speak to the manager of your hydra

this is the manager. how may I help u?

~fire

[Firestarters]

dude ur posting is uh
something else

tell me about

no srs tell me about what is so something else i wanna hear



also meant to add to last post scum team is junko/shadow/mephistophanes guaranteed calling it now. this is all good

[Firestarters]

why?

GIMME GIMME GIMME LYNCHBAIT!

@jingle can we get a federation pt?

[Firestarters]

I wanna speak to the manager of your hydra

this is the manager. how may I help u?

~fire

this child's posts is something else can you please tame the child you control that is called enter. Thanks

you need to file a formal complaint in triplicates before we take actions.

ty

~fire

[Firestarters]

? All saying is that ifbit was just a joke,it was stupid. Is d1 red check jokes really that common? If so, I want that swarm person to explain why they also thought it was real. I've never been on a game here to see that happen but everyone's talking about it like it's a thing in every game.

RVS shitposting is extremely common.

Hell, I'm still doing it to an extent - and will continue to.

Enter-head should have known better, which is why I want to hear from him.

Enter-head got super excited about a possible for real N0 cop claim (looking at some of these species abilities do you really disbelieve that it was possible?) and did dumb things.

I do like PenguinPower here.

Also me and firebringer are talking. He says lying about reads to make people do scummy things so you can have a stronger read on them doesn't work, and since I've already made a bunch of decisions for the hydra, I'm gonna step back and admit I still think Joan of Arc is grabbing scum points right now.

[Firestarters]

I wanna speak to the manager of your hydra

this is the manager. how may I help u?

~fire

this child's posts is something else can you please tame the child you control that is called enter. Thanks

I'm tame now. Kinda.
It takes a specific kinda person to tame me.

lmao id love to see you pull up a case on why im scum.

That jump on Despair Galaxy don't look too purty

why?

GIMME GIMME GIMME LYNCHBAIT!

@jingle can we get a federation pt?

no offense but, how you lynchbait in this situation?

Not me, them.

@jingle can we get a federation pt?

As of right now, no. I sent a note to wgeurts, but I don't have the formatting readily available.

If wgeurts has not responded when I'm done changing my water heater tomorrow morning (approximately 10 hours from now), I will double check the mod notes regarding Federation formation and try to create any that might be necessary.

Can you make one and then wgeurts edits it to format it how he wants? You just have to give him moderator priveleges

[Firestarters]

Would a d0 cop check really be outta the world?

I haven't seen a legit one since I joined the site. The fact that the game started shortly after Role PMs were distributed should make it somewhat obvious that there weren't N0 actions - especially given night start games are usually announced as such...

No, it doesn't mean that. If it was in the species abilities that they could ask for that when they asked for that ability, it's possible it went out with the role PM.

[Firestarters]

this is the meme I put all of my heart and soul into over the night and it got 0 attention

I personally love it.

[Firestarters]

Wow did you ignore like the complete page after? lmao

No, I'm catching up, silly. I hadn't read that page when you asked me these questions.

this is the meme I put all of my heart and soul into over the night and it got 0 attention

I personally love it.

yeah well
you see
the thing is

YOUR HYDRA LOVES MEME

How astute of you.

[Firestarters]

@eragon join my federation ya fool

Why did you invite Eragon of all people?

[Firestarters]

@eragon join my federation ya fool

Why did you invite Eragon of all people?

I take this back I know why.

Town points for you.

but tbf
I just wanted to post the meme I made because I thought it was funny I glad you liked it

I like you, too!

[Firestarters]

Alright I'm all caught up.

Official reads list (cuz Firebringer doesn't like it when I lie):

I like the people based on mechanics that I said I liked yesterday.

The people I joined a federation with are town.

Dunnstral is probably scum.
Joan of Arc is maybe scum.

[Firestarters]

I disagree with the idea that he knows that it is going to be announced who gets ascension perks at the end of the day.

[Firestarters]

I mean I agree with you, but -

Oh. You're saying sorting him isn't important right now. Got it. I agree.

[Firestarters]

Sounds like Occam's Razor says Dunnstral should not be worried about until he's mechanically sorted and talking about it otherwise is boring and off-topic

[Firestarters]

Dunnstral is probably scum.

You realize that if I'm scum, I out myself after 1 lynch?

I disagree with the idea that he knows that it is going to be announced who gets ascension perks at the end of the day.

Also relevant:

I mean I agree with you, but -

Oh. You're saying sorting him isn't important right now. Got it. I agree.

[Firestarters]

Nominate: Dunnstral

[Firestarters]

nominate: Tsuchinoko

FITE ME ENTER

~fire

[Firestarters]

I didn't know it would have been announced, my plan was to try to hammer scum day 1 and then use the federation power to prove myself

Actually, throw everything else out the window. Why don't we just plan on hammering scum day 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc.?

Yeah this is actually bad now that I think about it.

Alright then let me explain my original idea

This works best if I'm part of a larger federation, like the ones some people already have going, so my plan would be for someone else to invite me to that federation and then for me to use the federation power to invite someone else

This way more than 1 person sees that I have the power

This game rewards players for having many smaller factions over having fewer, large factions, so this is also a bad plan.

nominate: Tsuchinoko

FITE ME ENTER

~fire

No, this is actually good. Dunn was a bad nom.

[Firestarters]

Not sure why you're being sassy, I think it's a worthwhile plan. The opportunity cost: 1 negative trait on me, oh well. Somebody said something about the trait weakening me, that's true but if I do soft confirm myself as town it will have been worth it

"bad" was the wrong word. I'm just saying planning on lynching scum day one is a bit oof.

Your reply in the middle: How does the game reward that? Keep in mind that I also have a trait that lets me control my own vote while inside of a federation

game has (had) 15 players.

7 federations of 2, and 1 individual player is a total of 22 votes
5 federations of 3 is a total of 20 votes
3 federations of 4 and 3 individual players is a total of 18 votes

see what i'm getting at?

[Firestarters]

4 feds of 2 or 2 feds of 4

Fed 1: 3 votes+embargos
Fed 2: 3 votes+embargos
Fed 3: 3 votes+embargos
Fed 4: 3 votes+embargos

Total: 12 votes and 4 embargos from 8 players

Fed 1: 5 votes and embargo
Fed 2: 5 votes and embargo

Total: 10 votes and 2 embargo.

Say there are 2 scum

Option 1 has at most 2 corrupted feds and 2 pure

Option 2 has all Feds corrupted

this is a better explanation

[Firestarters]

i'd rather have 1 town 1 scum in a standoff than 2 town standing off against each other and scum gets to decide where the votes go

[Firestarters]

snek is prolly town, btw.

[Firestarters]

i'd rather have 1 town 1 scum in a standoff than 2 town standing off against each other and scum gets to decide where the votes go

That's also fair.

Also had an antitown thought about what a 2 person fed could do and I'm so glad I realized not to say it

Oh I do that all the time
except I really often do say it.

luckily right now I have firebringer so I can say it to him first.

there are some things that I just would rather i got credit for the idea on but don't want to suffer the consequences for having the idea on.

[Firestarters]

Enter tags Firebringer in for a while

.

[Firestarters]

But real talk I don't give a duck about why Enter made a shitty choice. It's indefensible. Dude should be policy'd on the spot and the only reason I'm not pushing that hard as duck is because I'm concerned

that's what scum wants

and a green flip from Enter-hydra puts us in the pit.

Classic "I only know how to play vanilla mafia and cannot consider anything outside vanilla mafia."

Also all your reads are surface level.


And for someone who's upset about my hammer on day one, you didn't put an awful lot of thought about it before you dropped your entire role on the scum team.

[Firestarters]

I'm glad that you undermine my capacity to play the game, but that's kind of Firebringer's schtick more than yours, Enter.

Yeah, I know that I fucking suck at this, no need to rub my face in it.

Sorry. Just an overreaction to all the flak I'm getting. Who would miss a chance to instalynch someone on day one?

Maybe I'm the only one to do it. Years of playing VT so when I get a little power I abuse it. Oh well.

If it makes you feel good I also screwed up my power roles in this game and prey as well.

Firebringer likes snek for town right now and I'm not deep enough into today to be saying for sure what direction everyone is going yet, all my pushes are RVS pushes to get reads. Can you town spew a bit more in this thread so that we can get a read on you?

Also for some reason I keep thinking you were in YCBA IV. Is that true?

[Firestarters]

Yes, makes sense Varsoon. I understand why some people think its bad but not considering the upsides is actually dumb. Joan is doing that. TBH with a few exceptions I do agree with your reads, but Fire and I are a bit conflicted at the moment so I'm letting him.

Just a heads up, mephistophanes can make it so that you cannot vote them for the remainder of the game and you lose all species abilities for the remainder of the game. I would be lynching that right now if I was capable of voting for them.

[Firestarters]

Just a heads up, mephistophanes can make it so that you cannot vote them for the remainder of the game and you lose all species abilities for the remainder of the game. I would be lynching that right now if I was capable of voting for them.

You know this...how?

Because they used it on us last night.

Which was a bad idea, IMO, especially because you can conftown us mostly from information you had yesterday.

We have an ability called swarm, right? You could see yesterday it gives us three votes each. We got a ascension perk last night, so in one day we can have a level 2 ascension perk. You can tell we are biological by the traits we chose, so the flesh is weak would be available to us today if we were on the lynch wagon. The moderator has confirmed in our Hydra PT in a frustrated post about how anti-town he thought my day 1 play was that only two more mislynches are required to win the game for scum. So we just have to not lynch scum and end up on the lynch wagon today, then we take the flesh is weak which gives us efficient processors. With one night kill and one day kill every cycle, on day three there are 11 players which means it takes six to lynch. Efficient processors gives us two more shots of swarm. How does this seem viable for a scum team at all?

[Firestarters]

Also Mephistophanes has efficient processors which means they have at least two more shots of what they just used on us.

[Firestarters]

But wait-im confused. I thought you said he made you lose all of your abilities. Yet you still have swarm?

I was making that post using the the thought process one should use to make us conftown and not taking into account the abilities mephisto used on us.

[Firestarters]

Wait did firestarter just slip? Noone knows how many scum there are. The setup was hidden lmao

How is this a slip. If the MOD tells us something in our hydra pt, how is that a slip?

[Firestarters]

I think you can infer my answer from my opinion of your alignment.

[Firestarters]

Our opinion of your alignment. Firebringer believes more strongly than I do.

[Firestarters]

Wait did firestarter just slip? Noone knows how many scum there are. The setup was hidden lmao

How is this a slip. If the MOD tells us something in our hydra pt, how is that a slip?

Cause I have more trust then a mod telling you how many there are if you're town. But that was before I realized there was 4 as the mod already told us in signupa

You aren't making any sense. Why would I lie about the MOD saying something that the MOD can easily disprove? And even then it's not a slip, because it's an intentional lie. You're not implying this is a slip at all.

Whatever. I still take little to no responsibility for firebringers read on you, you either aren't thinking things through or you're doing malicious scum things.

[Firestarters]

I think you can infer my answer from my opinion of your alignment.

So you don't trust Varsoon?

Again, I'm pretty sure our reads have been posted. If they haven't, no, we don't particularly trust Varsoon. Why does this matter, though? You took traits to make you a neighbor, it's hot like neighbor is your role.

[Firestarters]

Our opinion of your alignment. Firebringer believes more strongly than I do.

Soi answer this question, since you are the head who did it. Why do you think you shouldn't be held accountable for your quicklynch on a townie?

You'll get a lot farther asking a tree to burn itself down than you will asking me stupid questions that I've already answered. You're playing mafia but I'm playing stellar is.

[Firestarters]

Joan your argument against me right now is so old fashioned that I'm almost certain playing mafia with dinosaurs would be new and revolutionary to you. I don't know how you managed to play a mechanics heavy game with such a vanilla mindset but I have a feeling this might be a difficult game for you if you're incapable of adjusting.

[Firestarters]

stop arguing with joan, enter.
This is a waste of your effort.

~fire

[Firestarters]

Our opinion of your alignment. Firebringer believes more strongly than I do.

Soi answer this question, since you are the head who did it. Why do you think you shouldn't be held accountable for your quicklynch on a townie?

You'll get a lot farther asking a tree to burn itself down than you will asking me stupid questions that I've already answered. You're playing mafia but I'm playing stellar is.

I am not asking Fire head, I am asking you. Fire head is the one who answered, and I want an answer from Enter head.

The Enter head answered already. Multiple times.

Our opinion of your alignment. Firebringer believes more strongly than I do.

Soi answer this question, since you are the head who did it. Why do you think you shouldn't be held accountable for your quicklynch on a townie?

You'll get a lot farther asking a tree to burn itself down than you will asking me stupid questions that I've already answered. You're playing mafia but I'm playing stellar is.

And quit implying that me wanting you to answer for your actions is stupid, because it's not.

It is stupid, because you for some reason seem to fail to consider everything that I've already pointed out was stupid for you to fail to consider

Like, if our places were reverse, you'd be all over me demanding to know why I quick-lynched a townie, so why should you be exempt from that kind of scrutiny?

No, I wouldn't, because I'm not dumb enough to think that you would have know that you were lynching town, that brass was lying when he said he was serious, my gameplay is adaptable - holding RVS on day 2 isn't a big deal for me, and because I'm thinking about the mechanics of the game I play in more than just the close-minded mindset I've been brainwashed into.

[Firestarters]

stop arguing with joan, enter.
This is a waste of your effort.

~fire

One sec let me address this

But if you guys think I am scum, go ahead and kill me. You get to remove a nuisance, and I avoid a major headache.

Or you could not give yourself a headache over stupid things, you could not be a nuisance, and we could lynch meph today.

[Firestarters]

See? That kind of answer is what I wanted from you.

Now, was that so hard?

How hard would it have been to find that yourself, hamster stabber?

stop arguing with joan, enter.
This is a waste of your effort.

~fire

One sec let me address this

But if you guys think I am scum, go ahead and kill me. You get to remove a nuisance, and I avoid a major headache.

Or you could not give yourself a headache over stupid things, you could not be a nuisance, and we could lynch meph today.

Your federation vote is on me, not them.

Joan. Joan. Joan. Please read the darn game. Just a little. Go back a page or two and tell me why we are not voting for Meph right now.

[Firestarters]

Also, what's stopping you from using swarm again? With it, you can easily lynch them, or me, or anyone else you'd like, really, without assistance. Plus, I don't fully trust that you're town yet.

Every question you've asked this game has already been answered at least once.

[Firestarters]

That's an excuse and you know it. If you had a real reason you would not be asking dumb questions that have already answered.

[Firestarters]

Joan's arguments here reek of "oh crap I need to defend them how do I do it? Oh I know lemme scum read firestarters. I need a reason for that, though

stop arguing with joan, enter.
This is a waste of your effort.

~fire

One sec let me address this

But if you guys think I am scum, go ahead and kill me. You get to remove a nuisance, and I avoid a major headache.

Or you could not give yourself a headache over stupid things, you could not be a nuisance, and we could lynch meph today.

Your federation vote is on me, not them.

Quick call them out on inconsistency

Also, what's stopping you from using swarm again? With it, you can easily lynch them, or me, or anyone else you'd like, really, without assistance. Plus, I don't fully trust that you're town yet.

Wait look at all these other inconsistencies. Yeah. This will work nicely

I don't fully trust that you're town yet.

No, wait, they have perfectly logical rebuttals to all of that... umm.. what's a townie mindset. Don't trust anyone. Yeah. That will work. Even though I just offered a PT to Varsoon with no thought whatsoever

I have been duped by scum in the past, so excuse me if I don't fully trust you just yet.

But this last excuse is super good so I'll stick with it. Even though I really shouldn't trust anyone fully as town and not trusting meph also makes sense. It makes a lot more sense than not trusting firestarters

[Firestarters]

Don't know if my arguments make sense to people there, if someone else speaks my language and can translate for me, that would be great. Otherwise just know that I wasn't sold on joan as scum before this conversation

You arguing with Joan is tired.
Can you put that energy towards anything else?

Sure.

[Firestarters]

If you didn't do dumb things you would have the things you did called dumb.

[Firestarters]

If you didn't do dumb things you would have the things you did called dumb.

Okay, so you expect me to be a mind reader and automatically know your alignment?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it doesn't work that way. I don't know what your alignment is or what your motivations are. So I ask questions in order to sort you. Welcome to mafia.

No, I expect you to read the game thread and do some searching in the thread. I want you to ask questions, just not dumb ones that we've already discussed a million times

[Firestarters]

Nah.

The man has spoken.

How convincing.

I don't necessarily expect you to conftown us. I do expect you to know at least a little bit about what's going on and why that's happening. Also your argument for why we should think you're town is worse than our argument in the other direction, so your double standard is less than appreciated.

I'm only still responding to you, BTW, because I fully expect you to, at some point, go back and read the thread and realize the answers to those questions you asked, and then post your change in thoughts based on it.

[Firestarters]

Also, tell me what are Firestarter's town motivations for quicklynching a town slot?

You are thick. How is anyone supposed to know that Nero was town? The way you're trying to frame things makes it obvious that you have either confbiased into thinking our slot is scum or you had no plan in actually considering our alignment in the first place.

And yes talking to me will always be like a brick will if you refuse to listen to the answers I give you.


Version vote was dumb, snek vote from Varsoon was dumb, snek vote from joan is omgus - literally the same reasoning used against joan other than she's playing like an idiot, and shapeless voting us is baseless. Like can we actually just lynch meph here

[Firestarters]

I don't listen to a word anyone says.

FTFY

[Firestarters]

I'm back! Worth rereading?

P-edit skimmed and I see people voting out of the firestarter/meph slots when atleast one is confirmed scum, what

Yo explain this.

[Firestarters]

And why are you trying to influence his read on you? Like you said, it's his read on you, and by your logic, you have no business influencing it to suit yourself either.

Every time you post I recognize you have less and less of a fundamental understanding of what mafia is, what is going on in the game around you, and what it means to play mafia.

[Firestarters]

I'm back! Worth rereading?

P-edit skimmed and I see people voting out of the firestarter/meph slots when atleast one is confirmed scum, what

Yo explain this.

Explain which part?

I am at work so if I don't have to, I'd rather save rereading until I get home

And didn't you claim Mepho was scum trying to strip abilities away from players?

It's either your lying as scum going for a second ML or Meph is scum. Or you both are. (Prob not)

I said they're probably scum.

I said they're confirmably capable of stripping two more players of their abilities.

[Firestarters]

I have been following the last 20 pages somewhat..

@V I am leading the scum team. I AM THE KING

~Fire

[Firestarters]

keyser is scummy me thinks

~fire

[Firestarters]

Otherwise, I think Dunnstral (and maybe others?) were in Excalibur where I won as scum as well.

I’m hurt.

Maybe others...psh.

I mean in his defense....
you weren't that active in that game.

[Firestarters]

your town

I feel ignored.

not sure about that grandson

[Firestarters]

Otherwise, I think Dunnstral (and maybe others?) were in Excalibur where I won as scum as well.

I’m hurt.

Maybe others...psh.

I mean in his defense....
you weren't that active in that game.

I was scum with him...

I know.
I was in the game buddy.
You didn't do anything really unless you guys had parties in the scum pt lol

[Firestarters]

So... we are never going to talk about the fact that enter lied? and it was such a big lie that the mod had to post about it

Where did Enter lie? Please show me where Enter lied.

[Firestarters]

First of all, I am Enter asking you this question.

I guarantee that I didn't lie.

This is what I said:

The moderator has confirmed in our Hydra PT in a frustrated post about how anti-town he thought my day 1 play was that only two more mislynches are required to win the game for scum

I do not ever as a moderator say stuff to my players that could influence the flow of the game or influence their behaviour. The only exception to this rule is when I provide mechanical clarification where I believe it necessary, this is impartial and provided to any player regardless of alignment.

I guess wgeurts thought that his comment was impartial, but I certainly didn't. It came across to me as moderator talking about the game outside the thread.

If this is going to be a serious discussion point, I want clarification from the moderator that I didn't lie, or I want to replace out.

[Firestarters]

I'm taking screenshots right now. If moderator can't confirm that I didn't lie, I'm taking it as moderator intentionally influencing the game against a player who he disagreed with the actions of.

I fully intend to take this up to administration if this doesn't get really truly fixed.

[Firestarters]

enter...

just drop it bud. cool it. take a 48 hour thread break.

~fire

[Firestarters]

ive seen people modkilled for saying

"i was told that _____"

dude you are escalating not descalating

[Firestarters]

Whats the point of posting this when I already mentioned this? FireStarters already lied to us about one thing. Why would we believe he knew Mephisto could do all that? He never explained HOW he knew that info either

Pretty sure I did. They used it on us? Think this is my third time saying this.

[Firestarters]

ima people movernot an escalator get your facts right

I think ur an elevator.

PROVE ME WRONG

~fire

[Firestarters]

ive seen people modkilled for saying

"i was told that _____"

dude you are escalating not descalating

Your the slot threatneing to post screenshots from a private chat lol

Not in the thread, I'm not. It would be post game, in PMs, with administration.

[Firestarters]

Just a heads up, mephistophanes can make it so that you cannot vote them for the remainder of the game and you lose all species abilities for the remainder of the game. I would be lynching that right now if I was capable of voting for them.

@Keyser

Whats the point of posting this when I already mentioned this? FireStarters already lied to us about one thing. Why would we believe he knew Mephisto could do all that? He never explained HOW he knew that info either

well i mean, i think its implied that firestarters was the one that had the stuff done to them

But how did he know who did it to him?

Because it said in the message that told us we didn't have any access to species traits? How else?

[Firestarters]

ive seen people modkilled for saying

"i was told that _____"

dude you are escalating not descalating

Your the slot threatneing to post screenshots from a private chat lol

again, you are still escalating here.

you are antagonizing our slot.

and we need escalation. So we should all really cool it.

~fire

[Firestarters]

Just a heads up, mephistophanes can make it so that you cannot vote them for the remainder of the game and you lose all species abilities for the remainder of the game. I would be lynching that right now if I was capable of voting for them.

@Keyser

Whats the point of posting this when I already mentioned this? FireStarters already lied to us about one thing. Why would we believe he knew Mephisto could do all that? He never explained HOW he knew that info either

well i mean, i think its implied that firestarters was the one that had the stuff done to them

But how did he know who did it to him?

Because it said in the message that told us we didn't have any access to species traits? How else?

And what connects it to that slot?

Are you asking me to quote the moderator again?

I'm really confused.

It said in the message that mephistophanes did it.

[Firestarters]

ive seen people modkilled for saying

"i was told that _____"

dude you are escalating not descalating

Your the slot threatneing to post screenshots from a private chat lol

again, you are still escalating here.

you are antagonizing our slot.

and we need escalation. So we should all really cool it.

~fire

Dont take the moral high ground with me, not after earlier this game lol and idk what he expected by saying what he did. In all cases so far.

HAHAHAHAHA
I haven't seen more than three intelligent thoughts from this slot so far.

Basically only weirdly convoluted thought processes.

The others aren't certain you're scum, but I'm pretty sure that no actual human being has the sort of twisted incapability that you're pretending to have. If you were actually dumb you'd be playing different, and if you were actually smart, you'd be doiing differently also.

So you honestly think a Scum ability like that would out scum that did it? lmfao gtfo

I think a really powerful scum ability would out that scum did it and they'd have to wifom their way out of it.

Why are you only bringing this up now?

I swear some of you are so short-sighted and incapable of a full and actual thought that maintains longer than five seconds.

[Firestarters]

Dont take the moral high ground with me, not after earlier this game lol and idk what he expected by saying what he did. In all cases so far.

I am not trying to take a high ground. I see people getting heated and want us to cool it. Nothing more.

~fire

[Firestarters]

ENTER FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. STOP POSTING.

I LOVE YOU BUT YOU AREN"T HELPING

[Firestarters]

ok. do you want me to talk to you or in the hydra pt? i have legitimate thoughts right now but you're right the thread probably isn't the place for them

[Firestarters]

It said in the message that mephistophanes did it.

That is literally all you had to say

FIRE, DO YOU REALLY THINK ANY SCUM ABILITY WOULD TELL YOU WHO DID IT

That is what we received. You have 3 choices.
> Believe we are telling the truth.
> Don't believe us
> Believe us but think Mephist is still town for doing a very scummy action.

[Firestarters]

For mephist?

[Firestarters]

yep!

Do it.

[Firestarters]

I wouldn't do it tho unless your super desperate.

Ohh I am not really desperate though.
~fire

[Firestarters]

how the fuck is a scummy action basically vanillaizing(for lack of a better word) someone that literally fucking quickhammered a couple minutes in D1 for no fucking reason?

Because vanillaizing itself is not really a pro town role?

~fire

[Firestarters]

I would have modkilled enter already tbh (I'm a very pro-modkills player and I have stated this plenty of times) , this is not commonly allowed in the site shadow.

btw fire wanting us to cool off is both ironical and funny

p-edit LET. ME. POST.

Continually talking about who or shouldn't be modkilled during the game is just not okay to do. Go talk to the mod about it, and leave it out of the game thread.

Like talking about it here is only going to piss of the person you are saying that should be modkilled and isn't gonna help sort anything, so you doing it is creating unnecessary tension.

Which is why I said everyone needs to lay of it and cool it.

~fire

[Firestarters]

its not like, pro-town, but it has its uses and its not a scum-only role

Yeah, and if you want to argue they used it in a pro town way, go ahead. I don't think they did and I think their action helps scum because of obvious reasons, so yeah I think they are scum aligned.

~fire

[Firestarters]

The difference being, why were they not modkilled if they didnt lie? If there was truely modcom that happened, the host said they would modkill but didnt. Im not gonna ignore it cause it happened.

It is no longer game relevant. Take it up with the mod.
I think you are asking for trouble at this point by continually talking about it and I have asked enter to drop the whole thing.


~fire

[Firestarters]

its not like, pro-town, but it has its uses and its not a scum-only role

Yeah, and if you want to argue they used it in a pro town way, go ahead. I don't think they did and I think their action helps scum because of obvious reasons, so yeah I think they are scum aligned.

~fire

You cant say that it wasnt used in a pro town way when your slot used yrou ability to quickhammer d1 21 minutes in tho

I wasn't being pro town either, that doesn't make me scum. I think they are not acting in a pro town way and are scum, there really is a level of nuance you are missing here which I don't know how to explain.

~fire

[Firestarters]

Can you all stop breaking the mod’s rules and continue on with the game? That would be swell.

Don't be the fun police. I like the penguin police better.

~fire

[Firestarters]

"A scummy move thats antitown but its so scummy that its town. Now lets hang someone based 100% only on that person because they took away their ability to do it again"

Why do you continually forget that Mesph vanilliaze also makes it so I can't lynch them, which from a role making perspective doesn't make sense for a town vanilliaze to have.

Like why put it in that the person is vanilla and can't vote you or they die?
Why not have it just kill me? Why not just vanillia me?

Why vanilla me and then I can't vote me?


And why would town think its pro town for them to limit a persons voting options without telling anyone that they can do that? Or hell why wouldn't they think harder about doing that action?

~fire

[Firestarters]

He is making fun of you.
~fire

[Firestarters]

You're making fun of it but that is my thought process
its too scummy to be town

pedit: How would they know they get free passes to do it?

Your right. Its too scummy to be town.

*You're
*It's

[Firestarters]

we die

[Firestarters]

Why do you continually forget that Mesph vanilliaze also makes it so I can't lynch them, which from a role making perspective doesn't make sense for a town vanilliaze to have.

I mean...skeptic pov...you've said that you can't vote them, but we haven't seen it?

So...vote them and what happens?

Are you asking me to commit senpuku?
~fire

[Firestarters]

@shadow have fun with your tunneling sir.
I wish you good fortune in the wars to come.

~fire

[Firestarters]

No, I am super duper important.
and I like attention.

WE CANT TALK ABOUT ANYTHING BUT ME. OKAY!?!?

~fire

[Firestarters]

No, I am super duper important.
and I like attention.

WE CANT TALK ABOUT ANYTHING BUT ME. OKAY!?!?

~fire

agreed VOTE: Firestarters

I hope this is the junko head.

junko is super cute.

[Firestarters]

I will say before i go, Fire, im sorry. Your a cool person. Im sorry this is how it is rn. Ive enjoyed most of the game playing with ya so far

You seem alright to me too. I think tunneling always leads to anger. Its like the dark side man. It creeps up on you and then sooner or later you are slaughtering jedi children.

There was a joke somewhere in there.
I think.

~fire

[Firestarters]

u are very adorable.
~fire

[Firestarters]

HEY GUYS
I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING

As long as I am in this federation with Fire, he can't vote or do anything stupid unless he convinces me or he follows me.
If ywall are so worried about Firestarters doing that again, then just let me leash Fire

i don't think u can leash a fire beast

~fire

[Firestarters]

I was so tempted the other day to buy weed because I went to the store with a friend.
you know they sell weed that has 32% THC? That's nuts. I think I would die.

I haven't been in so long.

~fire

[Firestarters]

@Joan of Arc
Before we get into anything, I will preface with this: I understand your frustration at my actions at various points in the game. I take full responsibility for the hammer yesterday, and I will post some reasons further down the line as to why I did it. I will also admit that my thinking might have been particularly skewed in this matter, because I personally have not played very many PRs in games before, so I get excited with the potential large plays without thinking about the minute details, quite often. I have recognized this as a flaw in my character and I am working to adjust myself so this matter is fixed.

I promised to help you work through what I was so frustrated with you about earlier. It took me a bit longer to get around to doing it than I wanted to, but I'll put it out here:
1. We don't like Mephistophanes because last night we received a message that told us that Mephistophanes specifically denied our ability to use any of our species traits for the rest of the game and if we vote for them we will die for the remainder of the game. We know they have additional shots of this ability, because they took the "Efficient Processors" trait.
2. Our slot lynching Nero Cain on day 1 was bad, I agree. Part of it was lulhammer on my part, part of me legitimately believed that Nero Cain was scum and Despair Galaxy legitimately had a N0 guilty on them. I recognize this line of thinking is particularly bad because apparently there are no N0 cop guilties on MS. The large idea behind the hammer, however, was that, for the most part, scum would have no problem making sure they ended up on wagons of their choice, so they had no reason to take adaptive traits, and therefore we were denying them ascension perks by ending day early and preventing them the ability to get into federations for day 2.
3. I think our slot is pretty obviously conftown because a) we control the lynch, which is a generally townie part of the game to control, and b) we previously had the power to end the game on day 3 under the circumstances that we ended up on the lynch wagon on day 2 and we managed to not lynch scum. This seems like a power far too strong for scum to have, so I believe that mechanically speaking, we are conftown because of it.

I think this is all the things that I wanted to discuss, but I'm not particularly certain. I recognize in my working through this that expecting other players to be perfect and manage to keep up with the game and not fall to feelings and the like is a bit of a double standard on my part, so in the future I will do my best to answer questions you have immediately, even if it means explaining them again, instead of ridiculing you for it.

[Firestarters]

Maria is in the game? I straight up forgot.

Also, Firestarters. Do me a favor and try to drop a vote on Mephisto. Let's see what happens. Right now there is no evidence that you are even really blocked from doing it. So, let's see the proof of you publically trying to vote there.

-BR455

You want me to commit suicide to prove a point?

Are you listening to yourself?

~fire

[Firestarters]

Me: If I vote Meph, I die.
You: Do it! Prove that will happen.
Me: . . . .what?

[Firestarters]

Are you trying to tell me what the pm I got says?

[Firestarters]

So you think, what we did was. Come in here try to frame Meph. And then because we didn't realize that if we voted Meph to prove the fact we cant vote meph, we decide to make up the fact that if we vote meph, we die.

That was our rouse.

[Firestarters]

Can i borrow your tinfoil hat sometime?

[Firestarters]

idk if i was lying about this i think it would be one of hte most awkward lies ever since as soon as i voted meph by your theory i would break the illusion, and meph can vote me and call me a liar. So just vote wise I am at a disadvantage.

It would be an interesting out there lie that I have never thought of making up though. Really creative.

I actually sort of feel flattered in a way that you think i would make that up.

~fire

[Firestarters]

Meanwhile, your federation partner is apparently throwing away their vote with Myfishto when you can't even vote there. Even they don't seem to believe you.

-BR455

I think you had a few misteps in logic here or i am not following.

How do you get federation partner is throwing away vote. And doesn't believe me?

[Firestarters]

I don't know how creative you are, and if you are not lying, someone made it up.

-BR455

hey hey hey. don't backstep the compliment.
i appreciated the compliments u are giving me implicitly with your theory.

~fire

[Firestarters]

Meanwhile, your federation partner is apparently throwing away their vote with Myfishto when you can't even vote there. Even they don't seem to believe you.

-BR455

I think you had a few misteps in logic here or i am not following.

How do you get federation partner is throwing away vote. And doesn't believe me?

They votes Myfisho a few pages back. Why would they do that when you can't vote and we can all figure out that if 2/2 people in a Federation do not vote, all three votes are removed?

I mean, that's more of an answer for them, you aren't accountable for their actions at all.

-BR455

Ohh shit alisae can't even vote Meph. Didn't even realize that.

That makes this even worse. Meph basically has blocked 2 votes. Although one unintentionally.

[Firestarters]

wait if alisae has more voting powers and makes the federation vote for meph. WOuld I die?

Huh...

[Firestarters]

lets be honest here.
u just want to keep junko to urself.

~fire

[Firestarters]

jealousy is the worst.

~fire

[Firestarters]

ur logic makes sense only to u joan. only to u.

[Firestarters]

i am not confirmed town lol

[Firestarters]

have you considered you aren't good with criticism and you telling me that you want constructive criticism is false because i have given you constructive criticism and you turned it into me attacking you?

I don't know. Seems reasonable to me.

[Firestarters]

i am not confirmed town lol

Really?

This seems like a power far too strong for scum to have, so I believe that mechanically speaking, we are conftown because of it.

Really?

not me, that is enter. Enter keeps making bad mechanical arguments I don't agree with. But fine slam Enter for that.

~fire

[Firestarters]

yeah its kind of like i say something, i mean it. When he says something, he means it. And we don't agree, and you attack his arguments and say they are mine, and want me to defend them as though I am him, when I am not and I don't agree with them, and its weird for you to think I should defend arguments he makes that I don't even agree with.

i am not confirmed town, enter said that he thinks we are mechanically, which i think is dumb.
you want to hold enter accountable for that, go ahead. He thinks that, I don't.


When you point to X and say, WELL HOLD THE PHONE YOUR INCONSISTENT! Because you say Y. I say, I didn't say Y and I don't agree with that. You say, YOU ARE SAME SLOT. As htough I have to agree with everything Enter says.

[Firestarters]

This is why I think you are a bad actor btw. You have done this all game, where you take one of us says, and because what one of us says is an opinion the other doesn't say, you hold it up as proof of inconsistency and as though it means something beyond we don't agree.

Its like a stupid gotcha.
You aren't trying to understand my slot, my thoughts, or enters. You are trying to make us look bad by showing inconsistent statements and making them seem bad when you don't apply any semblance of thought into that two people can have different thoughts.

[Firestarters]

I sign a lot of my posts with my name. If you can't tell the difference between the two of us when a lot of people can, that should give you a red flag you aren't reading to understand who the hell is talking.

but just for u, i will sign more often.
~fire