Unstable Mafia - Game Over

[Vedith]

I don't get it. Why 2 clears?

I'm a town mirror.
Targets on me give me the same effect on the target targeting me.
So whoever is the cop, if there is one should have got 2 results back. One for my result and one for Teacher.

[TemporalLich]

Lead Rist 3:

[Town]

Almost50

(keeping the town train rolling)

Rabbi Vole

(both green flips SRed you, potential deepwolf but I think claiming Best Friends or Masons as scumbuddies is an obvious blunder)

DoubtingThomas

(Towny player, though your D2 game is abnormally strong from someone who thinks my D1 game is abnormally weak, vindicated by the DT/RF interaction)

--Green Line--

pignash

(Claimed Best Friends or Masons with Vole, but no news is bad news)

Vedith

(NAIread him for memeing, taking out the shitposts he's a good asset to town, even with the shitposts he's still townlean. Pressure voting might be necessary to get a claim that's not a fakeclaim for the sake of memeing though)

Creature

(Townread by both the first cycle green flips, so townreading him more, but flailing and bad casing drops his read somewhat. Neutral-townlean)

teacher

(Starting to weird me out, cop claimer)

Dr Worm

(YOUR POSTS are NOT UNDERGRANDABLE!!)

0verki11

(No news is bad news, a readlist is nice though)

--Red Line--

rosterfoster

(DT/RF interaction makes you look even scummier, RF)

[Scum]

I refuse to vote above the green line.

I am confident lynching below the red line.

In between, voting is fair game but I'm not confident in their lynch.

[Almost50]

I don't get it. Why 2 clears?

I'm a town mirror.
Targets on me give me the same effect on the target targeting me.
So whoever is the cop, if there is one should have got 2 results back. One for my result and one for Teacher.

If you're a Mirror, shouldn't YOU get your result? And if you Mirror the incoming action, then you're effectively a rookie Cop last night too. However, if you did get a result then it confirms teacher as some sort of alignment Cop, and since scum don't need an alignment Cop then teacher is TOWN. It certainly doesn't tell us much about your own alignment though.

This is way too confusing though without having answers from the mod.

[Rabbi Vole]

I'm a bit checked out on the mechanical stuff. We've got teacher for a level head and moonlogic monkey king A50 so I'm comfortable this will end up making some kind of sense.

I'll bbl

[teacher]

A50 I asked the mod that before game.
1. If fake cop dies, I graduate to cop getting my own results.
2. If I die, fake cop stays fake and doesn’t get results.

Of course keep in mind that it’s bastard.
@Vedith, I wonder whether the mirror would be for me or for the fake cop that I effectively redirect - either way should have the same result tho.

[Vedith]

If you're a Mirror, shouldn't YOU get your result? And if you Mirror the incoming action, then you're effectively a rookie Cop last night too. However, if you did get a result then it confirms teacher as some sort of alignment Cop, and since scum don't need an alignment Cop then teacher is TOWN. It certainly doesn't tell us much about your own alignment though.

I didn't get anything. I was advised if the roles do exist that the cop would get both results that's all.

[Almost50]

2. If I die, fake cop stays fake and doesn’t get results.

Then you probably made a mistake outing, because unless we have a doctor in-play you are the next NK no matter what.

I was actually hoping with your death that the fake Cop would actually get their own results, and thus Mafia won't shoot you because they need to locate the fake Cop and take them out first (as they probably have 2 results by now, which I assume are innos since nobody came out to claim a guilty on anyone).

So, unless someone isn't reading the game and think that their night action should help them solve the game I will treat both you and Vedith as town.

Mind you, the bastard element is mind-boggling. What's to keep us from thinking the fake Cop isn't actually fake and -instead- your whole role is. (NOT that YOU ate faking, but the mod can LIE, so he could've lied to you just as he could have lied to the other Cop).

But you know what? This game canNOT be solved if that's the case. Too many lies that would be. I will work under the assumptionS that:

a) Both yours and Vedith's claims are true and accurate
b) The roles do work as the mod has told you both
c) The fake Cop is actually reading and understands the situation we're in

And thus will assume you and Vedith to be mod-cofirmed town aligned players.

Doctor, BG, Rolestopper, or whatever kind of protective we have that is NOT A JAILKEEPER, please protect teacher. If none exists then I guess the town will be missing a teacher tomorrow.

[Almost50]

Hmmm..

rosterfoster (4): Temporal Lich, Almost50, teacher, Vedith,

This is now looking more and more appealing. It looks to me that it's an all town wagon (I had reservations/doubts about Vedith earlier)

Can we get a Creature to vote with us? Would a Rabbi do? I'm sure pignash will follow. At least put roster @L-1 and let's get a claim.

[DoubtingThomas]

Hmmm..

rosterfoster (4): Temporal Lich, Almost50, teacher, Vedith,

This is now looking more and more appealing. It looks to me that it's an all town wagon (I had reservations/doubts about Vedith earlier)

Can we get a Creature to vote with us? Would a Rabbi do? I'm sure pignash will follow. At least put roster @L-1 and let's get a claim.

what changed for you to town read vedith now?

[DoubtingThomas]

i have something to say before roster is hammered so don't hammer him until i come back. i wanna wait til he claims tho

[rosterfoster]

DT has very good reason to suspect that I’m town, but it would be antitown for him to say more, even to save me I think. I am also not going to say any more, even if you put me to L-1. You might disagree DT, and I probably trust your judgement on this more than mine.

So if you do decide to lynch me, just know that you should be lynching TL tomorrow. Why do people townread him? There is also no way on this earth that is an all town wagon. It formed so badly - read the posts.

I’m inclined to believe that Vedith and Teacher are town, DT is also town. If I believe the mason claims then that leaves A50, Worm, Lich, creature, Overkill. I’ve been thinking Overkill is town, so we’re left with those 4. Worm might actually be scum too - I think it was A50 that mentioned this possible of informed scum. I’m not sure a buddy would have said that as it’s something not so obvious to bring in, so that would give Lich/Worm/Creature scumteam. Lich is the obvious scum here so I can look for connections from his posts. Give me a moment.

[rosterfoster]

RCEnigma
Almost50
teacher
Vedith
Creature
pignash
0verki11
Rabbi Vole
volxen
rosterfoster
Dr Worm
DoubtingThomas

Scumreading one partner but conveniently putting them as the second bottom, when DT had done nothing scummy but (particularly from the ultra-serious perspective of Lich) Dr Worm seemed to be trying to confuse the town with this VT stuff.

[rosterfoster]

Rabbi Vole (confirmed town, see 671 and 683)
RCEnigma
teacher
Almost50
Vedith
pignash (counting his Informed Townie or Mason claim with Rabbi Vole as true)

--Green Line--

Creature
volxen (zeroing out reads for safety reasons)
Dr Worm (I'd rather see a coaching than a lynching. Especially considering a successful coaching is a 100% clear)
0verki11

--Red Line--

DoubtingThomas (starting to act towny)
rosterfoster

Again trying to null-read both partners in order to avoid seeming to town-read without reason, but trying to focus towards a mislynch.

[rosterfoster]

VOTE: Almost50

Big 180 on A50, like he saw the hammer and is trying to see if this mislynch can be pushed. I reckon this puts TL/A50 together as unlikely.

[rosterfoster]

Almost50 (keeping the town train rolling)
Rabbi Vole (both green flips SRed you, potential deepwolf but I think claiming Best Friends or Masons as scumbuddies is an obvious blunder)
DoubtingThomas (Towny player, though your D2 game is abnormally strong from someone who thinks my D1 game is abnormally weak, vindicated by the DT/RF interaction)

--Green Line--

pignash (Claimed Best Friends or Masons with Vole, but no news is bad news)
Vedith (NAIread him for memeing, taking out the shitposts he's a good asset to town, even with the shitposts he's still townlean. Pressure voting might be necessary to get a claim that's not a fakeclaim for the sake of memeing though)
Creature (Townread by both the first cycle green flips, so townreading him more, but flailing and bad casing drops his read somewhat. Neutral-townlean)
teacher (Starting to weird me out, cop claimer)
Dr Worm (YOUR POSTS are NOT UNDERGRANDABLE!!)
0verki11 (No news is bad news, a readlist is nice though)

--Red Line--

rosterfoster (DT/RF interaction makes you look even scummier, RF)

Again, he has never voted for the two partners and keeps trying to put them above a lynch, so avoid pressure on them. This time moving overkill down to buffer. The 'dropping' on creature is somewhat bizzare - how do the flips green creature? The flailing stuff is midly accurate, but he's using an excuse to place creature higher than he deserves to be.

[DoubtingThomas]

i think you should claim

[rosterfoster]

Ok then - I trust your judgement.

I'm a town interrogator. Basically I have a mod-approved alt account and I can choose someone to talk to at night, through this account (so it could be anonymous if I want it to, but in practice scum would probably be able to look at posting times and language and so have a pretty decent idea of who I am). I choose DT last night. IF you want proof, see viewtopic.php?p=10796162#p10796162

[Vedith]

If I change vote to TL can we talk tonight?

[rosterfoster]

Sure.

[Vedith]

VOTE: TemporalLich

[rosterfoster]

I was going to target creature but if he’s scum it won’t really be as effective now. Probably wouldn’t have been able to pull off faking anyway.

[Vedith]

This should open up 2 private topics I guess.
One that I'm in the investigation seat and one where you are.

[rosterfoster]

Oh wow. Maybe you get the password to the account :O

[Vedith]

Well going by my role I'll expect another account made
Yay this is fun \o/

[TemporalLich]

Should I really trust RF's claim?...

Then again Vedith's reaction implies that Vedith and RF are town and are really the mirror and interrogator, respectively