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[Dattebayo]

Vote: Tommy

for being the first player to post.

On a more serious note, why did you feel compelled to say:

Hello. Hope you all have a good game.

My first non-newbie one.

[Gimbo]

Vote: #44[/b} because you are just that, a NUMBER, you are not important enough to acquire a name.

[Gimbo]

shit
EBWOP:

Vote: #44

because you are just that, a NUMBER, you are not important enough to acquire a name.

[XReyoX]

FlyingFoxBat (2): FlyingFoxBat, Phoebus
#44 (2): LlamaFluff, Gimbo
LlamaFluff (1): skitzer
Gimbo (1): Corinthian
Phoebus (1): #44
Tommy (1): Dattebayo

Not voting (4): Cavebear with a toothache , Gojira , Slaine Hayes , Tommy

7 votes to lynch

[#44]

shit
EBWOP:

Vote: #44

because you are just that, a NUMBER, you are not important enough to acquire a name.

From now on I shall be known as NumberFortyFour!

[LlamaFluff]

vote #44

for using a random number generator

Oh? So you have a better method?

Personal choice for a random vote is to me much more useful. If you have a reason, no matter what it is, it is something. By saying that your vote is random, you are making sure that in no way you can be held accountable for it.

So personal vote > random number generator vote

[Gimbo]

shit
EBWOP:

Vote: #44

because you are just that, a NUMBER, you are not important enough to acquire a name.

From now on I shall be known as NumberFortyFour!

LOL, amazed you didn't get offend, so i'll

Unvote Vote:Cavebear with a toothache

ya think ya won't get votes cause your name is long as the hell, didn't ya?

[Slaine Hayes]

Vote: Caveman with a toothache

....because I have a toothache!!!!!

[#44]

Personal choice for a random vote is to me much more useful. If you have a reason, no matter what it is, it is something. By saying that your vote is random, you are making sure that in no way you can be held accountable for it.

So personal vote > random number generator vote

Not true. This stage is random so if someone doesn't use a number generator they can also say it was completely random. Regardless of what method someone uses, it doesn't excuse them. Now if I had used a random number generator when there already was a bandwagon on someone or later then

their first post

ingame, I would agree with you. There are no reasons to vote for someone before you can get any information.

So random stage generator = random stage personal vote

[LlamaFluff]

Not true. This stage is random so if someone doesn't use a number generator they can also say it was completely random. Regardless of what method someone uses, it doesn't excuse them. Now if I had used a random number generator when there already was a bandwagon on someone or later then

their first post

ingame, I would agree with you. There are no reasons to vote for someone before you can get any information.

So random stage generator = random stage personal vote

Its probally a difference of opinions, but even if you say "vote player AAA" because he is first on the list. You can later say "hey, AAA was mafia, why did player BBB vote them day one and then jump a easy wagon?"

If you do "vote player AAA random number gen" you just can say "hey it was random" and not be tied to or held responsable for your D1 vote.

I feel that an "arbitrary" vote is better then a "random" vote

[Cavebear with a toothache]

Arbitrary is pretty much the same as random in this case, as it's not commonly entirely random in the mathematical sense of the word. Well, except in the case of people who use dice rolls and stuff, but that's just boring. >_> Plus, random votes aren't always random, a cop might "random vote" someone who they investigated N0 for example.

Anyway, OMGUS

vote: Slaine Hayes

, obv. bandwagoning scum.

[Dattebayo]

Anyway, OMGUS vote: Slaine Hayes, obv. bandwagoning scum.

Your probably wrong; looking at the timings it looked Slaine Hayes simulposted and therefore didn't bandwagon.

Personal choice for a random vote is to me much more useful. If you have a reason, no matter what it is, it is something. By saying that your vote is random, you are making sure that in no way you can be held accountable for it.

It looks like you are attacking #44, is my interpretation correct?

[LlamaFluff]

Personal choice for a random vote is to me much more useful. If you have a reason, no matter what it is, it is something. By saying that your vote is random, you are making sure that in no way you can be held accountable for it.

It looks like you are attacking #44, is my interpretation correct?

One of my irks is when people deliberately call their inital vote random when they make it, or use a random generator, so yes I am attacking him a bit.

This isnt intended to lynch him, but it definantly will generate discussion on the early part of the game, and let us see how other players react to casting their inital votes as this conversation is going on.

[Gojira]

As I understand it, it's quite normal for initial votes to be either arbitrary or random - sometimes called the latter even when they're more the former.

...let us see how other players react to casting their inital votes as this conversation is going on.

If you like.

Vote: LlamaFluff

- you're making far too much of a big deal out of it, I think.

[LlamaFluff]

arbitrary or random

Yes, and to me they are two different things, and are to be treated differently

...let us see how other players react to casting their inital votes as this conversation is going on.

If you like.

Vote: LlamaFluff

- you're making far too much of a big deal out of it, I think.

Duley noted, when I challenge random votes, you decide not to random vote. Instead you vote the person challenging random votes compared to arbitrary ones. Therefore making an arbitrary vote... like I did.

[FlyingFoxBat]

LlamaFluff, you are, in my opinion, getting quite overexcited over this. In the random voting stage, it is of absolutely no significance who you vote for, because of the fact that you are only doing going to keep the vote until somebody sparks conversation. Whether or not a person votes for a random person or uses a generator is of no significance.

[XReyoX]

FlyingFoxBat (2): FlyingFoxBat, Phoebus
Cavebear with a toothache (2): Gimbo, Slaine Hayes
LlamaFluff (2): skitzer, Gojira
#44 (1): LlamaFluff
Gimbo (1): Corinthian
Phoebus (1): #44
Tommy (1): Dattebayo
Slaine Hayes (1): Cavebear with a toothache

Not voting (1): Tommy

7 votes to lynch

[LlamaFluff]

LlamaFluff, you are, in my opinion, getting quite overexcited over this. In the random voting stage, it is of absolutely no significance who you vote for, because of the fact that you are only doing going to keep the vote until somebody sparks conversation. Whether or not a person votes for a random person or uses a generator is of no significance.

Just to say it, to ME, I do not like it when someone takes the time to insist upon the fact that their vote was truely random. Most people pick out their D1 votes for arbitrary reasons, which I dont mind at all. When you feel the need to justify that your first vote was not up to you though, I do find that suspicious, and will vote accordingly.

[Tommy]

On a more serious note, why did you feel compelled to say:

Hello. Hope you all have a good game.

My first non-newbie one.

Compelled? I didn't feel compelled. Just announcing a personal milestone as a point of general interest.

[Corinthian]

In the random voting stage, it is of absolutely no significance who you vote for, because of the fact that you are only doing going to keep the vote until somebody sparks conversation.

Yeah, but the conversation is often about who voted for whom, and why.

[Gimbo]

LlmaStuff is obvious scum, huge IGMEOY and also FlyingFoxBat, why are you voting for yourself?

[Phoebus]

Lynch the guy who's voting for himself, already!

[Dattebayo]

...let us see how other players react to casting their inital votes as this conversation is going on.

If you like.

Vote: LlamaFluff

- you're making far too much of a big deal out of it, I think.

It is true that Llama is overexcited, but why is that scummy?
At the time of your vote, there seem to be pro-town intentions behind it: Llamafluff is trying to get information from the reactions his attack produces.

FoS: Gojira

until you can give a reasonable answer to my question.

[Gojira]

It is true that Llama is overexcited, but why is that scummy?
At the time of your vote, there seem to be pro-town intentions behind it: Llamafluff is trying to get information from the reactions his attack produces.

FoS: Gojira

until you can give a reasonable answer to my question.

I don't think it's neccesarily pro-town intentions. 'Scummy' behaviour is often to try and make the metaphorical mountain out of a molehill, to exxagerate the importance of an insignificant thing in order to convince the town to lynch an innocent. Of course, you could say that about just about any scumhunting - my own included - but I guess that's the art of the game, to figure out what's scum trying to implicate a townie and what's genuine scumhunting.

My reasoning here is that he's jumping on something that occurs in every game (as far as I'm aware) and is arguing semantics (arbitrary vs random). Not a great lead, but it's a start.

[Dattebayo]

I don't think it's neccesarily pro-town intentions. 'Scummy' behaviour is often to try and make the metaphorical mountain out of a molehill,

to exxagerate the importance of an insignificant thing in order to convince the town to lynch an innocent

.

Your vote was unjustified:

This isnt intended to lynch him

, but it definantly will generate discussion on the early part of the game, and let us see how other players react to casting their inital votes as this conversation is going on.

My reasoning here is that he's jumping on something that occurs in every game (as far as I'm aware) and is arguing semantics (arbitrary vs random). Not a great lead, but it's a start.

Llama isn't making it into a great lead and wants to use it as a way to get reactions.

Vote: Gojira