well I made some interpretations of what you had been saying, are you saying that those are all correct?Gimbo wrote:^ that is how i play, when i see something i don't like, i give FoS. That's my style, there's nothing to 'answer' cause you didn't ask any in-depth question.
Slaine Hayes wrote:Vote:Gimbo
I dont think that even warrants an explanation.
I have explained my reasoning for finding Gimbo scummy.....Phoebus wrote:Slaine Hayes wrote:Vote:Gimbo
I dont think that even warrants an explanation.vote: Slaine Hayes.
I'm sorry but if you're saying that following someone (Llama) who's getting annoyed and voting for Gimbo based on Gimbo calling himself scum, warrants no explanation...think again.
It's extremely convenient as far you're concerned and I've not seen you do any other work.
At least Llama is getting all worked up and that expends energy.
Gimbo is not scum but you...on the other hand...run a good chance of being one.
He does that everywhere.Gimbo, you are making FoS's with no justification and going around saying you are scum. An explanation is all I (and Llamafluff) are asking for here.
Your claim about townies...why not?You claiming that you are scum isn't the only reason I voted. Townies don't make FoS's with no explanation, and would also be actively seeking out the scum, not just claiming they are to see everyone's reaction.
Baseless accusations on day one with all of 5 pages into day one.Then all you have done is made baseless accusations and claim that you are scum. I have no reason to believe you are pro-town. My vote stands.
Really? You want someone claiming at L-2? On page 4? Really?Cavebear with a toothache wrote:I'm thinking Gimbo is funny scum. I'm prepared to gamble on it being so, at least to the point of being willing to put him at L-2 and wanting a claim.
Unvote, vote: Gimbo
Claim, please. And make it good.
Oh, and if Gimbo turns out not to be scum, #44 totally is. >_>
If you fail to see the basis for my accusations, then I cannot possibly have this conversation. I am letting Gimbo explain himself. he does not appear to have any desire to. I think he doesn't want to play this game.Phoebus wrote:Slaine -
You have 12 posts.
The first five barely touch upon Gimbo.
You're asking what his hunch is - as far as Dattebayo goes...
most hunches don't really have explanations.
in post 6 - you vote Gimbo...claiming that your vote requires no explanation, without you having addressed anything at gimbo or seriously questioned him about anything...
this, i call ... riding the wagon.
subsequently...your posts indicate
He does that everywhere.Gimbo, you are making FoS's with no justification and going around saying you are scum. An explanation is all I (and Llamafluff) are asking for here.
Go meta.
Sure...he might need help but unless proven otherwise...
You're looking for explanations but don't seem too concerned about hearing them because your vote seems pretty steadfast...
This is a pretty serious wagon that's going on here yet...while you claim you want an explanation, you're not following this up with an intent to allow him to explain.'
Your claim about townies...why not?You claiming that you are scum isn't the only reason I voted. Townies don't make FoS's with no explanation, and would also be actively seeking out the scum, not just claiming they are to see everyone's reaction.
An uninformed majority is paranoid...many fos indicators just mark that paranoia and reactions can be interesting enough.
Baseless accusations on day one with all of 5 pages into day one.Then all you have done is made baseless accusations and claim that you are scum. I have no reason to believe you are pro-town. My vote stands.
I'm sorry...but doyouhave anything substantial to post...other than wagon riding off Llama'a annoyance?
Let's see some positive basis for YOUR accusations.
I'm afraid trying to latch on to someone's behaviour for being hyper does not qualify as such a basis.
If these are the only reasons you're voting...
Well...you're not voting for any reasons at all.
I'm afraid it just won't do.
Given your current indicators of activity etc...
If you turn out scum...I'd bet decent money on Dattebayo and #44 being scum with you.
Really really. I don't really care if he claims now or at L-1, or if he does it on page 4 or 6... But I do want him to claim. Then, if I'm not happy, I imagine I'd like to lynch him, too.LlamaFluff wrote:Really? You want someone claiming at L-2? On page 4? Really?
Really. I'm very willing to gamble on day one. I'd be much less willing to gamble later on. Relatively early or late on day one doesn't make all that much difference... Or, rather, it could, if the day drags on and on and on, but meh. This is a fast game. Why wait?Also you are willing to gamble this early? Really?
Really. Well, I don't have any kind of confirmation, obviously, but yeah, I'm actually feeling pretty good about that call.And Gimbo town means 44 scum? Really?
Time is a matter of perspective. Tell me, when is it not too early, and when is the time to gamble?You are trying to pressure Gimbo into an early claim and this is far from the time to gamble.
Gimbo wrote:Cavebie - nice try for me to claim, you scumbag, so what if i do? You can kill me if I out myself and say I'm a cop or doctor?
Ok, bad choice of words. What I meant to say was "you have been acting scummy".Gimbo wrote:You just said it yourself, my STYLE of paly is scummy, but that doesn't mean that I am a scum.
I didn't say that. >_> What I SAID was that I doubt that you are a cop or doc. That mean I won't necessarily BELIEVE a cop or doc claim. As for whether or not I'll advocate lynching you... Well, I don't know, that depends on the situation. Let's just leave that until it becomes relevant, shall we?And why would you want to still lynch me if I out myself as say a cop or doctor? How the FUCK does that make you town, you failure-at-life you?
Yes, I KNOW that this was not aimed at me, I would simply like to point out that only anti-town players swear like insane at L-2. I've done it myself as pro-town in L-1, in other games, but L-2 isn't worthy of angry statements.Gimbo wrote:How the FUCK does that make you town, you failure-at-life you?
Claiming shouldnt be done untill L-1 really. Wagons shift, new suspects come up. A claim outs a power role and hurts the townCavebear with a toothache wrote: Really really. I don't really care if he claims now or at L-1, or if he does it on page 4 or 6... But I do want him to claim. Then, if I'm not happy, I imagine I'd like to lynch him, too.
You never are supposed to outright gamble in this game. You are supposed to take all the information you have and use that to make an informed decision. If "Gimbo said he was scum" is all the information you have and you want it to lynch him. I think thats enough information to qualifiy you for lynch discussion as well.Really. I'm very willing to gamble on day one. I'd be much less willing to gamble later on. Relatively early or late on day one doesn't make all that much difference... Or, rather, it could, if the day drags on and on and on, but meh. This is a fast game. Why wait?
Why? C'mon give me some theorys at least, a hunch isnt worth anything if you cant back it up with some reasoning.Really. Well, I don't have any kind of confirmation, obviously, but yeah, I'm actually feeling pretty good about that call.
Once again, you never gamble, you make the most informed decision you can.Time is a matter of perspective. Tell me, when is it not too early, and when is the time to gamble?
Fair enough, how about a case on him though? And not just a copy/paste of mine.Gimbo wrote:Yeah, L-3 probably isn't enough to make you claim, so we'll just wait with that a little, shall we? Then we can see if you're a copordoc. I personally highly doubt it. Anyway, it's not a question of "liking" your style of play, it's a matter of your style of play being scummy.
So you did it just for laughs? You're not being very pro-town if you are joking around and distracting us from investigations.Gimbo wrote: I just thought it'd be funny to see how people react and like people going WTF? did he just say that? lol, anyways yea, didn't know you guys will actually take it seriously
Not neccessarily. It's not uncommon for bussing to happen. Especially when your partner is a dumb enough to out himself thinking the town will just assume he's townie for claiming scum. First saying if you are scum everyone is townie and then throwing suspicion around wildly could also be you trying to protect your partner in your cracking under pressure.Gimbo wrote: IF i am scum, then LLmafluff, Slain, #44, and Cavebear are ALL townies
When will it become relevant? Why are you willing to gamble at all in this game? Shouldn't you be scumhunting instead of playing the odds(which are not in the town's favor at this point)? What are your in depth thoughts on the game thus far?Cavebear with a toothache wrote: Well, I don't know, that depends on the situation. Let's just leave that until it becomes relevant, shall we?
Reason for my Datteyo FoS. I felt like he was accusing Llama of something. Ihe was town, he would've said "I don't think ..." instead of stating whatever he said as a matter-of-fact. That to me sounds that he's just trying too hard.Dattebayo wrote:EBWOP:
Llama isn't making it into a great lead and[just]wants to use it as a way to get reactions.
Fair points. However, I'd argue that there's nothing wrong with claiming at L-2 in a 12 player game with no dead (or even more in larger games), but as the number of players shrinks, so does the margin. The wagon might very well shift though, I'll grant you that, so it might have been slightly premature. I hope we'll get a chance to get back to it, on a slightly more stable wagon.LlamaFluff wrote:Claiming shouldnt be done untill L-1 really. Wagons shift, new suspects come up. A claim outs a power role and hurts the town.
Since you very rarely have access to all the information in a given case, making an informed decision really IS a gamble. You play the odds, weigh different scenarios against each other, but in the end, you have to guess.You never are supposed to outright gamble in this game. You are supposed to take all the information you have and use that to make an informed decision. If "Gimbo said he was scum" is all the information you have and you want it to lynch him. I think thats enough information to qualifiy you for lynch discussion as well.
Sure it is. Intuition is a powerful thing. Well, not when it comes to convincing others, of course, but that's not what I'm trying to do. Here's the post that made me react:Why? C'mon give me some theorys at least, a hunch isnt worth anything if you cant back it up with some reasoning.
See if you can see what I saw.#44's post 7 wrote:I explained it very well. It's late in the day to be joking. He's one ballsy scum.LlamaFluff wrote: While 44 and SH really didn’t explain their vote too well...
Are you kidding? We have ourselves a claimed scum here! Your only defense was WIFOM and that just won't do. My vote stays.Gimbo wrote: wow never seen anyone so eager to lynch.
LlamaFluff wrote:Fair enough, how about a case on him though? And not just a copy/paste of mine.
Gimbo wrote:dude and dudetes, its a fucking joke! lol, if i really was scum, would i say that? Jesus you guys.
Don't forget we've only got 60 days for the entire game. I don't think actually aiming for using all three weeks is a very good plan.LlamaFluff wrote:Im happy with my vote right now, you seem way to eager to get Gimbo lynched and are pushing him to claim already. We arent playing 24 hour days, we still have three weeks to do this.
#44 wrote:There aren't many power roles in these types of games so I'm curious as to why you wanted one so early in the first place.
After he's claimed, of course.#44 wrote:When will it become relevant?
See my above comment about "gambling". After you've done some scumhunting (not that you ever STOP hunting scum) you always, to a certain degree, play the odds. Certain things (scumtells) increase the odds of someone being scum. When someone reaches various levels of probability of being scum, you start handing out FoS:es and votes.#44 wrote:Why are you willing to gamble at all in this game? Shouldn't you be scumhunting instead of playing the odds(which are not in the town's favor at this point)?
The second suggests you still want a role-claim and want others to demand one too:I'd argue that there's nothing wrong with claiming at L-2 in a 12 player game with no dead (or even more in larger games), but as the number of players shrinks, so does the margin. The wagon might very well shift though, I'll grant you that, so it might have been slightly premature. I hope we'll get a chance to get back to it, on a slightly more stable wagon.
What's your current position? Do you still want Gimbo to claim?Now, #44, you're still on Gimbo's wagon, and yet you seem concerned about me being on the same wagon and asking for a claim. Does that mean you don't want him to claim?