Mini 2079 - Guns & Roses [Game Over]

[hitogoroshi]

So this discussion has been like, really overcomplicated right? This is a smalltown setup, basically. The gun is not a named townie just a townie with a gun. Claiming gun should not be a deterrent from hammering, that verifies the player has a 2/3rds chance of being scum. 67% chance of an additional scum NK and a 33% chance of an additional vig is a penalty, not reward, for backing off of a wagon. So hito has that part correct. Asking for the gun to claim early so he can be hawt is not correct, it identifies who can be NKed.

I mean, you call it "overcomplicated" but you were advocating texas justice until I pointed out the downfalls of it, so it feels pretty necessary to me.

I liked Cephrir's 134-135 switch, it really does suggest he's reading/reacting in a threaded way (whereas scum prefer to read everything, then react).

I'm actually caught up now.

hito/pops/ceph/lld is all pretty solid town. I didn't like pops's entrance but their posting since then is both good and contains things that they'd have had to go out of their way to put in as scum in a way that I don't think would be likely.

VOTE: Something_Smart

wow damn I really hate this post. LLD has S_S as a scumread but not her top vote, and I have S_S as a townread. but implosion doesn't engage with either of us? It feels like both "try to sell a townread on a wagon they like, but isn't their top" and "try to work out disagreement with townread" are both things you would want to do and I really don't like not seeing either of them. feels very much like voting to be seen voting vs voting to accomplish anything.

also alisae is like locktown after our exchange and I am happy voting with eir.

VOTE: implosion

[Alisae]

Strength of entrance has some meaning in the game, and S_S made a weak entrance.

Uh
dude
what makes SS' opening worse then Implos?

[Cephrir]

I dont by any means think implosion is a shining beacon of townie light but I could see myself doing the things you're criticizing him for, hi to, and for that reason I am not very convinced!

[Alisae]

Cephir who do you think should die right now?

[Cephrir]

I dont have a confident or really any scumread right now but if I had to pick someone I'd pick xyzzy

[hitogoroshi]

I dont by any means think implosion is a shining beacon of townie light but I could see myself doing the things you're criticizing him for, hi to, and for that reason I am not very convinced!

I mean, I guess where is the disconnect? What factors would have you wanting to cast a vote without trying to aggregate support or figure out the opposing case from a townread? because my main issue is I can't really see a motivation for implosions vote beyond image.

I dont have a confident or really any scumread right now but if I had to pick someone I'd pick xyzzy

Cephrir, I must regretfully inform that that we are playing a mafia game and you do, in fact, have to pick someone

[Alisae]

I dont have a confident or really any scumread right now but if I had to pick someone I'd pick xyzzy

why xyzzy

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hito talk to me about Implo, I don't really get your reasoning.

[Something_Smart]

I mean, I guess where is the disconnect? What factors would have you wanting to cast a vote without trying to aggregate support or figure out the opposing case from a townread? because my main issue is I can't really see a motivation for implosions vote beyond image.

Didn't you just get done saying that there are a bunch of reasons you might use your vote, rather than just wanting to lynch someone?

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.1

Something_Smart [2] - popsofctown, implosion
implosion [2] - Alisae, hitogoroshi
Lady Lambdadelta [1] - xyzzy
xyzzy [1] - Lady Lambdadelta

Not Voting [5]

- Something_Smart, justincase1017, Pine, Haschel Cedricson, Cephrir

With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-06-16 21:00:00)

[hitogoroshi]

Fakegod: Says a [1] by implosion in the vote count, ought to be [2].

Hito talk to me about Implo, I don't really get your reasoning.

Didn't you just get done saying that there are a bunch of reasons you might use your vote, rather than just wanting to lynch someone?

yeah! and some of those reasons I would expect implo to rally his townreads (maybe he wants a pressure reaction or something), and some others I would expect him to try to sell me why I'm wrong, some others he might say "hito talk to me about this S_S AIGHT read because he seems more of an OH DANG to me". But blank voting on someone with very little pressure feels bad for both pressure AND information, and when implosion has four "solid town" reads to work with, you'd think he would have been able to use them in conjunction with the vote some way or another, right?

LLD gimme your strongest town read plz

[Something_Smart]

Sure, I would agree that he as town would probably have a direction, or maybe several possible directions, he intended to go with that vote.

I don't see why he would have to announce or work toward the direction immediately upon placing the vote, and it's strange for you to jump straight to "there is no reason" rather than "he hasn't shared it yet."

I don't doubt that implosion is a capable enough scum player to have in mind some town reasoning for making a vote. It's not really a fair or valid assumption to say that because the reason isn't clear yet, there must not be one.

[Cephrir]

I dont by any means think implosion is a shining beacon of townie light but I could see myself doing the things you're criticizing him for, hi to, and for that reason I am not very convinced!

I mean, I guess where is the disconnect? What factors would have you wanting to cast a vote without trying to aggregate support or figure out the opposing case from a townread? because my main issue is I can't really see a motivation for implosions vote beyond image.

I think that you want players to play mafia in this affiliative, coalition building, town-leader way that objectively leads to their wagons going through and I'm here to tell you that the reality, whatever the reason, is that not everyone plays mafia this way.

I dont have a confident or really any scumread right now but if I had to pick someone I'd pick xyzzy

Cephrir, I must regretfully inform that that we are playing a mafia game and you do, in fact, have to pick someone

Yeah, but I have quite a few more days in which to decide.

[Cephrir]

like sometimes players just vote their strongest scumread and don't make personal appeals to everyone to join them (i'll agree that some sort of case probably wouldn't hurt at least)

if you want to call that weak play you're entitled to do so but the fact remains that it happens

[Cephrir]

i guess i'll VOTE: xyzzy because im feeling convinced at the moment by the argument that i should try to wring usefulness from my vote

[popsofctown]

UNVOTE: unvote: something_smart the other people voting S_S suck
VOTE: xyzzy the people voting xyzzy are awesome

I'm willing to play mafia in a affiliative, coalition building, town-leader way that objectively leads to their wagons going through, hito! But not with you! Eat a chocolate rose.

[popsofctown]

Uh
dude
what makes SS' opening worse then Implos?

Implosion is super scummy, please don't spoil danganronpa for the other players.

[Something_Smart]

UNVOTE: unvote: something_smart the other people voting S_S suck
VOTE: xyzzy the people voting xyzzy are awesome

Not sure if I agree with the implicit premise that scum are less likely to be voting scum than town are.

I would think that, if you actually disliked my wagon that much, you'd just vote implosion.

[popsofctown]

HITO IS LESS LIKELY TO BE VOTING SCUM BECAUSE HE'S BAD AT MAFIA.
I WAS GOING TO LEAVE IT UNSAID BUT S_S MADE ME SAY IT

[Something_Smart]

Less likely.than what? Voting randomly?

[popsofctown]

In the next votecount, FakeGod will print you a list of people whose votes are better than hito's. He's going to say that it's a list of people that are voting xyzzy, but do not be fooled by the confusing formatting, he is actually providing a modconfirmed list of players who tend to vote scum more accurately than hito.
My name will be on there and that one will count

especially

.

S_S please wait with bated breath. I will begin summoning FakeGod by touching the Fake runes and chanting some fake words.

[popsofctown]

I think xyzzy is in prod range mafiascum is 48 hour prods these days right?

[FakeGod]

Just ask me to prod someone.

Cyanjet replaces justincase1017.

[xyzzy]

hey yeah sorry I meant to post yesterday but then I didn't because I'm a lazy fuck

I feel like a lot of the discussion re:LLD vs me comes down to LLD's meta, but tbh I know exactly nothing about her meta. can someone who knows things about that summarize what about this interaction feels town to them? I'm willing to be convinced, but for now I still feel like my initial reaction of thinking it's just an irrational, over the top response from scum is correct.

162 is very good -- Cephrir is town, I think.

[Haschel Cedricson]

hey yeah sorry I meant to post yesterday but then I didn't because I'm a lazy fuck

I feel like a lot of the discussion re:LLD vs me comes down to LLD's meta, but tbh I know exactly nothing about her meta. can someone who knows things about that summarize what about this interaction feels town to them? I'm willing to be convinced, but for now I still feel like my initial reaction of thinking it's just an irrational, over the top response from scum is correct.

162 is very good -- Cephrir is town, I think.

Please answer my question.