Mini 2079 - Guns & Roses [Game Over]

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.4

xyzzy [4] - Lady Lambdadelta, Cephrir, implosion, popsofctown
Pine [2] - Something_Smart, hitogoroshi
Something_Smart [2] - Haschel Cedricson, Alisae

Not Voting [3]

- cyanjet, Pine, xyzzy

With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-06-16 21:00:00)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Pine didn't respond huh?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Should we build a wagon on pine he has to respond to then? I still think Xyzzy is way scummier but Pine slipping beneath the waters feels like a Bad End possibilty.

Vote: Pine

[popsofctown]

Votecount 1.4 has two instances of xyzzy

LLD, pressure doesn't really seem to be the variable determining whether Pine plays this game. His last post looks like he just read his PM and posted and then... went and /inned for another game and did some kind of other stuff.

It's not good but xyzzy is scummier and -remember- this setup is special in that a day 1 lynch allows us to rescue a townie, so sequencing lynches in a way that might generate information or something isn't as good as voting the person you think is gonna get FakeGod using the red fontcolor

[popsofctown]

my previous post has an

@FakeGod

[popsofctown]

wait is FakeGod trying to do the comical third option meme?
That doesn't seem like his brand of humor though.

[hitogoroshi]

It's not good but xyzzy is scummier and -remember- this setup is special in that a day 1 lynch allows us to rescue a townie, so sequencing lynches in a way that might generate information or something isn't as good as voting the person you think is gonna get FakeGod using the red fontcolor

I mean I agree with this, but you're making the salient points about Pine and I guess I don't see what from xyzzy compares. I earnestly do think Pine is more likely to red flip.

I missed the rule that players can request extensions, and tbh it makes me feel a little better about Haschel that he asked. Or he's scumbuddies with xyzzy, lmao. (or maybe Pine, but I think as Pine's scumbuddy you're hoping that no one has the gumption to get him sight unseen, and just joining him in running out the clock?)

My flight out is right around deadline time, but moving vote is something I can do even on mobile. I'll share some more words in the morning if there's anything new to react to (please friends??), and then when it's a few hours to deadline I'll swap xyzzy if they have more votes than Pine.

[popsofctown]

That's fine to think Pine is a genuinely more likely red flip but vote the person you think is a red flip.

[Alisae]

Pine didn't respond huh?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Should we build a wagon on pine he has to respond to then? I still think Xyzzy is way scummier but Pine slipping beneath the waters feels like a Bad End possibilty.

Vote: Pine

I feel like if he was scum, he would have responded yesterday.

[hitogoroshi]

He did! but just to say "bite me".

unless you meant "i'm sure that scum there would have done an effortful post there to deflect suspicion, the way scum always do under pressure" in which case buddy I got this site called mafiascum dot net I'd like to show you

[Alisae]

Yeah I expect effort from scum!Pine considering the circumstances.

[popsofctown]

Alisae's argument is that Pine has a meta that is inverted from 99% of other players' where he cares more about the game as scum. Theoretically he could just win several scum games for free then, until the meta has eroded. I guess. I am skeptical of this meta. And its sample size. And all that. I kind of prefer the natural inferences about human behavior.

I kinda wanna make a mafia gambling site with much higher lost $/potential payouts when winning/losing as scum because survivor tell is a very fun magnifying glass to use and I'd hate any case it's blanked

[hitogoroshi]

Yeah I expect effort from scum!Pine considering the circumstances.

I dunno, I just think that meta reversal is never really credible, because a.) scum posting is fundamentally just harder than town posting because you need to run counterfactuals in your head and b.) scum are the ones who know everything and only do work to not get caught, so scum posting is fundamentally less rewarding. Those two are invariant so I think that "player lurks as town but not scum" is just nonsense, even putting aside the clearly obvious fact that someone who knows they have that meta can exploit it for free wins.

And if you're not on board, vote xyzzy? Or at least pledge to swap past some threshold if other pushes don't work out. Think we're gonna need every active player cause there's uhh, not all that many of us lmao.

[Alisae]

VOTE: xyzzy

[popsofctown]

That's L-1

[Cephrir]

Yeah I expect effort from scum!Pine considering the circumstances.

I dunno, I just think that meta reversal is never really credible, because a.) scum posting is fundamentally just harder than town posting because you need to run counterfactuals in your head and b.) scum are the ones who know everything and only do work to not get caught, so scum posting is fundamentally less rewarding. Those two are invariant so I think that "player lurks as town but not scum" is just nonsense, even putting aside the clearly obvious fact that someone who knows they have that meta can exploit it for free wins.

And if you're not on board, vote xyzzy? Or at least pledge to swap past some threshold if other pushes don't work out. Think we're gonna need every active player cause there's uhh, not all that many of us lmao.

I tend to take more pride in a scum game and feel like my individual contribution to the game is less important as town, so I'm more likely to try hard when I'm scum. hitoshrug.

[Haschel Cedricson]

I'm being dragged to a mandatory Fathers Day picnic but I'll vote xyzzy near deadline if nobody else does.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote:Xyzzy

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.5

xyzzy [5] - Cephrir, implosion, popsofctown, Alisae, Lady Lambdadelta
Pine [2] - Something_Smart, hitogoroshi
Something_Smart [1] - Haschel Cedricson

Not Voting [3]

- cyanjet, Pine, xyzzy

With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-06-16 21:00:00)

[Something_Smart]

I should be around to hammer as well.

As the most obvious vig target Pine should probably claim whether or not he is N1 rose if he gets the chance.

[Pine]

I'm writing a catchup post while I wait for SUPP results.

Again, I apologize for my absence. This has been a difficult week, and I've been really unmotivated. Should be a lot easier to stay current once caught up.

[popsofctown]

No, he should not. He should if we're leashing the vig. But we're not leashing the vig. We are or we aren't.

[popsofctown]

I'm writing a catchup post while I wait for SUPP results.

Again, I apologize for my absence. This has been a difficult week, and I've been really unmotivated. Should be a lot easier to stay current once caught up.

There's no "again", actually, last time you said "Bite me"

[Pine]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[hitogoroshi]

Isn't pines thing that he doesn't read old posts when repping

I'll hammer in an hour or so. On phone at airport lobby so gotta do it before takeoff.

Read tier list is something like

Town
Ceph, alisae
Pops, lld
S_s
Cyan, implo, xyzzy
Haschel
Pine

Lil rough and ready cause mobile = not reviewing anything all top dome. Pretty strong confidence on top 5.

Gimme your final thoughts before I turn off the lights

[Pine]

@Hito it usually is, but it's a short enough thread and I replaced in near the start of it. I feel bad about it.

Nearly done with my catchup. Please hold off hammer, maybe talk to me about it first.