"Big Cool Post" number ONE. It only covered pages 19-40. I've got 19 more to go. My primary reason for suspecting GEmerald has evaporated, so I'll be re-evaluating him. Come this evening I may either defend him or hammer him myself.
Are you srs? Gamma just clammed up. I even asked him to reread chemist ep and cc/pine and give me his reads so I can maybe catch his partners but it's like he's accepted his lynch and is giving no information.
Town gamma should at least help gamesolve and tell us what to do because we are mislynching him.
I think Gamma's scumpartners would've already hammered him to get towncred if he was scum because of the feeling I'm describing (that there seems to be no turning back), RP.
I'll wait for Pine, I know he can be helpful in this matter.
or the scumpartners are already on the wagon or the scumpartners don't want to be called out for ending it before pine gives his catchup or pine is scum.
I'm not asking you to hammer. Just stop falling for gamma sob story.
Gamma's reads are pinging you which is why you are townreading him now but those should have been posted way before I called him out.
I'd greatly prefer we not lynch Gamma before I finish catching up this evening. At present, I don't think I'd be on board with it over better options, but we'll see.
The DP loyal recruitment changes things, and I'll need to take a long look at that too.
In post 1476, RedPanda wrote:Pinkball stop being so gullible. gamma has already scumclaimed. right now he's bussing EP or trying to set ep up as a mislynch.
It's really hard for me to stick to my guns when you are out here trying to quash my logic without taking one moment to consider it. Maybe all 3 scum did clump onto me.
<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
Seriously, go read Menalque’s Newbie game. He died N1 with the entire player base TRing him. I replaced into a screwed scumslot, and thought going after him was suicidal.
In post 1484, Klick wrote:Gamma who are you most confident in being town atm?
Could you explain how you decided Menalque is town?
I'm confident in Pine the most rn. As for Menalque it's because I feel they're not playing how I'd expect scum to play in his position. He seems a bit more open than I'd expect if he were scum, while still holding onto his beliefs. In addition the game atmosphere tells me he isn't scum.
<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
I think if you're town Gamma that we're on a pretty similar wavelength and could help each other solve this.
We agree on Pine. Other than Pikachu, the other person I most confidently read as town is Chemist. I can see your reasoning on Menalque and have been getting TvT vibes for a little bit.
Have you looked in any more detail about EP other than the thing that most recently pinged you? You seem to be mainly getting your reads based on behavior surrounding your wagon, but outside of that EP has seemed generally town to me all game. I struggle to see his approach to the game coming from scum - he doesn't seem to have much of an agenda in anything he does.
In post 1476, RedPanda wrote:Pinkball stop being so gullible. gamma has already scumclaimed. right now he's bussing EP or trying to set ep up as a mislynch.
It's really hard for me to stick to my guns when you are out here trying to quash my logic without taking one moment to consider it. Maybe all 3 scum did clump onto me.
you were put at L-1 once before. You were put at L-2 for a while. Tell me, what would be your read on someone who does not game solve and stays quiet in that position?
In post 1476, RedPanda wrote:Pinkball stop being so gullible. gamma has already scumclaimed. right now he's bussing EP or trying to set ep up as a mislynch.
It's really hard for me to stick to my guns when you are out here trying to quash my logic without taking one moment to consider it. Maybe all 3 scum did clump onto me.
you were put at L-1 once before. You were put at L-2 for a while. Tell me, what would be your read on someone who does not game solve and stays quiet in that position?
Town or scum, I've shut down as town before.
Now if you want me to change my mind on you, answer what you think about the possibility of EP or Chemist being scum?
<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
In post 378, RedPanda wrote:Now I think I caught two scum and you were just trying to bus the other at first and uturned after tim gave you some slack.
This just seems reachy. The quoted post seems like RP decided to scumread the CC/Cinnamon slot and is justifying holding onto his read for questionable reasons
My style of mafia is to townhunt and then poe scum.
I've already explained my urap2 and dp read.
Uzi klick and creature tried to lead town which is why I'm not considering them as scum.
Tim is leading town right now.
apart from klick they are also townhunting and trying to game solve by poe. I'm townreading numerous posts of theirs.
Imo, If there is competent scum in the game, There would be only one out of these four+pikachu(I think he did try to lead town for the first few pages and then stopped after klick scumread him) who is trying to take control of town and to accurately catch that one on day one is impossible and would just hurt us if we lynched a good townie. I'd rather bank on power roles and flips to catch the wolf.
I'm going to spoilerpost all of chemists posts that gave me a townread.
In post 65, Tim Goodman wrote:I live outside of Ryme City and I commute on odd nights and possibly even nights as well, please don't target me with night actions!
Lol you even switched your location to Ryme City
Why did you respond to that post and not the vote on you?
The game was going too slow and I liked that he was trying to start a discussion on a very valid point.
In post 82, Klick wrote:Alright Creature, I'm starting to see your point.
Yo Chemist, there's been a fair amount of game discussion already. Any reads/thoughts?
Sorry I got unexpectedly busy with other stuff (not exactly allowed to talk about) yesterday
I don’t see DP’s reasons for scumreading you, I saw your reaction as somewhat counterpoking and I think they’re overblowing it into full OMGUS, though I can’t tell if it’s intentional or not
I don’t think I can read Creature yet without seeing what he does with the stuff he’s gotten from the poking
Espresso is probably my top scumread so far, I think they’re picking and choosing what to respond to
In post 218, EspressoPatronum wrote:Can you share why/how you got to your scumread of me? As it stands, it looks like it's either a bandwagon read or an OMGUS.
Honestly? You're right. Sorry. I signed up for too many games and I've always been more miserable in games outside of Newbie queue. I hate being in the dark about reads. Your posting has actually been p towny and I OMGUS'd out of annoyance.
Thanks for the honesty. If you find the time over the next few days, can you drop a quick post on people who feel the most scummy? We can @ you with specifics from there.
UNVOTE:
Got my sights set on URAP and Cinnamon now. Hoping to see more content from them tomorrow.
I'm not really sure what more content you want to see right now. It's kind of weird that you say that when I've posted my reads and you haven't interacted with them at all.
In post 270, Klick wrote:I'm happy calling EP/CC/Chemist town. Creature I'm less confident on but I'd still call it a town lean. Of the more prolific posters in the last couple of pages, LUV isn't giving me particularly good vibes.
In post 218, EspressoPatronum wrote:Can you share why/how you got to your scumread of me? As it stands, it looks like it's either a bandwagon read or an OMGUS.
Honestly? You're right. Sorry. I signed up for too many games and I've always been more miserable in games outside of Newbie queue. I hate being in the dark about reads. Your posting has actually been p towny and I OMGUS'd out of annoyance.
Thanks for the honesty. If you find the time over the next few days, can you drop a quick post on people who feel the most scummy? We can @ you with specifics from there.
UNVOTE:
Got my sights set on URAP and Cinnamon now. Hoping to see more content from them tomorrow.
I'm not really sure what more content you want to see right now. It's kind of weird that you say that when I've posted my reads and you haven't interacted with them at all.
I like this post, feels genuine
Talk to me about this? I had the opposite reaction.
I think it just reads like indignant townie, I think scum is more likely to shift their play to appease the people pushing them
In post 274, Klick wrote:@Clarity and @Cinnamon: you were both a pleasure to play with in the short time you were here
This serves no purpose other than to look town.
As someone who has experience with Klick, that’s just how they act
Expresso and Red Panda were really the only players focusing on those slots and I’m finding it hard to believe both CC and Cinn as scum replace out because of the pressure that could’ve been looming. An ISO dive of both shows that they were frustrated with how they were being engaged with as opposed to being frustrated solely because players were attempting to engage them. I think that’s more likely to come from town who are just feeling out of their element as opposed to scum upset they’re being interrogated.
What makes you think they subbed out because they were frustrated?
I read into ofrhz and urap and I think ofrhz is worse, their reaction to pressure felt kinda off like they didn’t really care but were acting like they did. Urap is a solid null for me rn due to lack of content.
In post 516, Pine wrote:Well damn, that's a reasonably Townish post.
Why?
Self-assuredness, confidence in one's own record.
The best way to defend yourself is to simply BE Town and do Townish things. EP here is asserting that I'll inevitably come to that conclusion if I just read his ISO. We'll see.
Also this post from pine pinged me as scum trying to townread someone to get towncred but it could be me tunneling. I'm confident that pine and espresso are not scum together.
Pinkballs tone did read town to me but the self destructiveness and the playstyle itself is something hard to judge alignment.
I've already cased gamma and pine. I would read the slots as null today if gamma and pine both towntold so much that it made me question my case on cinnamon and clearity. But I don't like that gamma misrepped my case as targetting lhf lurkers. I feel like a townie would recognize that my point was valid and try and convince me that it was just a lazy townie.
In post 271, RedPanda wrote:I was waiting for both cinnamon and clearity reactions to my post to vote for the scummier one but since clearity is ignoring this game, I'm forced to choose.
I don't like that cinnamon ignored my post. Seems like cinnamon is scared of a back and forth that might happen.
Vote cinnamon
Still wanna hold to this push now that they've replaced out?
And this post pings me so hard. If gamma thought I was scum or leaning scum, He should just engage me and convince others. This reads more like gamma knows I'm town and is trying to alpha his way to make me townread him for his confidence.
my scumread on Pine is lower than gamma just like my scumread on clearity is lower than cinnamon. Clearity is lower than cinnamon because I assign more scumminess to flailing than backing out and It's harder to read pine because he replaced in and I find nothing wrong with his posts except that my gut is telling me that he's scum trying to get townread for correctly reading posts that are townie or scummy in nature.
Spoiler: pine
In post 419, Pine wrote:You want someone with a transparent meta? Try Creature. I just skimmed his ISO for the purpose of this point, and am very comfortable declaring that Creature is Town this game.
I think it's mostly "what is this person's objective?" If EP is Town, then their objective is to lynch their scumreads. If they're scum, then their objective is to blend in. A classic newscum strategy is to just go along with the consensus, keep your hands clean. Making an unpopular stand on something is difficult, risky, and Townish. So the quoted line, taking the temperature of the consensus, being willing to equivocate...it strikes me as newscum. It's hardly an ironclad read, I'd need to do an ISO dive to get a better handle. New players are always the worst to get a read on.
Still give me the case on URAP2, but depending on the ISO I may follow my own advice and pursue this lead.
In post 516, Pine wrote:Well damn, that's a reasonably Townish post.
Why?
Self-assuredness, confidence in one's own record.
The best way to defend yourself is to simply BE Town and do Townish things. EP here is asserting that I'll inevitably come to that conclusion if I just read his ISO. We'll see.
Or it could be town actually doing it, So I'm calling it null and reverting to my poe and clearity read.
In all seriousness, I’m less trustworthy than usual, because I’m a replacement too, and I’m still getting my bearings. It doesn’t help that no one in this game seems interested in my questions.
I like these two posts though. I like the self awareness and although I consider it NAI, I consider the slot a strong player and I'm not willing to lose him today
until I get a gamma flip to make sure my reads are good this game.
Is it just me or does this seem like scum/scum interaction to anyone else? First two posts are fine but the third and fourth ping me.
As for Ohrz, Apart from Ceejay's first post that pinged me as scum, I'm not reading him as either alignment. There's not enough of ceejay posts and Ohrz hard tunneling me is just throwing me off, I just don't know.
There is no difference to my reads except for pinkball going into strong town pool and dp and menalque going to my strong town pool.
In post 1476, RedPanda wrote:Pinkball stop being so gullible. gamma has already scumclaimed. right now he's bussing EP or trying to set ep up as a mislynch.
It's really hard for me to stick to my guns when you are out here trying to quash my logic without taking one moment to consider it. Maybe all 3 scum did clump onto me.
you were put at L-1 once before. You were put at L-2 for a while. Tell me, what would be your read on someone who does not game solve and stays quiet in that position?
Town or scum, I've shut down as town before.
Now if you want me to change my mind on you, answer what you think about the possibility of EP or Chemist being scum?
Can you point me to those games? Because that is a foreign concept to me. I would get mad if I was mislynched as town and there is a difference between the way you were towards me when you entered and now.
I’m your new CJV