I had been entertaining Fire as scum overnight and this convinces me it's a thing. I'd already disliked his lack of reaction to the chaos and this adds a new reason to the pile. Scum really just don't want to get noticed and damaged in the chaos so the best way to not do that is stay in the shadows which is what I feel Firebringer did. So with that on top of just not feeling like his actual reaction was a town one I really think he is scum.In post 3517, pienyan wrote:I'm going to speak up before I do anything else:Everyone calm the fuck down and please read this before you do anything else.The end of last day phase was put bluntly, a clusterfuck. I sort of just want to step back and talk about what happened for a bit, because I am not letting that shit fly any longer than it needs to.
I think a lot of this started with Ank trying to ram through her awful Vecna read full Wisdom style, making the entire atmosphere of the game about her and her read and then flipping out and trying to make everything about her yet again by going and leaving the dance because after I forced her to hold back on her lynch she had to protect her ego and go "who cares let's just pick town pairs and make everyone leave" instead. Frankly I don't really blame most people in this game for the game devolving into chaos like this, because her and the way she was doing this sort of just made it impossible for it _not_ to. The way she was playing escalated tensions in the game a lot and it made it really easy for everyone's feelings to get hurt, not just hers or mine or Vecna's.
This is more so the case when you consider what actually happens when people go lone wolf mode and try to leave instead of actually working together and forming proper lynches with wagons. When people leave like that, well chaos just happens. You don't get people playing for the sake of the game, you get everyone fighting for themselves, trying to make a point while everyone else is just left frustrated not being able to do jack shit about it because you can't convince anyone of anything once they have that power in their hands. Then when it doesn't work (and most of the time it doesn't) everyone just is shit out of luck because we get literally no information whatsoever from the deaths of the players when they leave like that, the atmosphere is still shit and with no way out of it, the chaos continues.
I think the best thing we can do right now is all just put the end of last day phase behind us entirely, try to forget about it and go back to playing the game. I said at the start of the game no one should leave (though I can't stop sakura doing so in MYLO) and I firmly stand by that. Yes, we are down two pairs now but I see absolutely no reason we can't still do this. We just need to step the fuck back and think about it- and GIF I sort of also am a little irritated at you for this because I know you wanted to try to bait a NK and keep morale up, but it kills _my_ morale when you sit there and refuse to allow any pressure on the person who's my strongest scum read, and I hope now that you were shown to be wrong about Ausuka you can step back and listen to my read here. It was nowhere near as blantant as Ank but yes, you played into this whole "me first" mindset that consumed Ank and everyone else at the end of last dayphase, and I think I'm not the only one who got sort of irritated at how obtuse you were being about your own pair.
From there on we just need to be calm, not lose confidence in our town reads (it is possible! I had vecna/ausuka town after all), play calmly and actually do proper lynches with wagons and not this me-first my solve listen to my point bullshit.
Tl;dr: I don't want this game to be heated for another second. If you're upset please just take a step back, breathe and actually try to think about it.
OK?
(Yes I wrote this post overnight.)
That said I'd prefer to not vote until I feel okay with it